From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #361 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, October 24 2002 Volume 05 : Number 361 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] War Day ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Pot Net ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Slanted and Strange ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Opera [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] Spent on Wire Tapper 09 ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Faust Patchwork Press Release ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Rockin' records and birthday boys ["Fergus Kelly" ] Re: [idealcopy] Rockin' records and birthday boys ["jaime janzen" Subject: [idealcopy] War Day >From: "Jan Noorda" >Subject: [idealcopy] Rhodes >>>I noticed a new release on Swim records a seven inch by the Rhodes called War Day // The New Did anyone heard this one already? War Day sounded like the Saints circa No, Your Product / This Perfect Day, but cleaner, and with a much less distinctive singer. The New sounds like the Adverts but with a thick over-processed digital distrortion / degeneration, very heavy drums and the slightly weak singer is the only thing that detracts from it slightly. Whilst I'm comparing Rhodes to Adverts & Saints, I'd much rather listen to those bands early records - but maybe they'll come up with something sounding a bit more original, besides process, later on? It's better than Mclusky (well that's damning them with faint praise) but not as great as Silo. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine Current Listening: Fennesz - Field Recordings 1995-2002 Chris Watson, etc - Star Switch On Jackie O Motherfucker - Change Bilge Pump - Let Me Breathe Phill Niblock - G2 guitar drones on Moikai Enon - On Hold CD-R Mum - Finally We Are No One Thilges 3 - Die Offene Gesellschaft Butthole Surfers - Humpty Dumpty LSD godspeed you black emperor - Yanqui UXO WIRE - Read and Burn 02 Current Reading: Thomas Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:05:54 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Pot Net >2. Funhouse - The Stooges (1970) Could've been better w/ a longer version of LA Blues (as featured on box set) plus there's an out-take, Lost in the Future, that's great. Perhaps not as great as the rest of Funhouse, but better than most of Raw Power. What sort of retard replaces Ron Asheton with a boogie woogie ploogie like James Williamson? >4. Kilimanjaro - The Teardrop Explodes (1980) Sounds like Duran Duran, but less inventive. You'd have to be on serious medication to rate this over 154, Strepsils at least. >9. The For Carnation - The For Carnation (2000) A flawless masterpiece, as is Slint's Spiderland >10. Marquee Moon - Television (1977) Another one - avoid Richard Lloyd's solo albums though! Tom Verlaine's instrumental Warm & Cool album is very nice though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:04:08 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Slanted and Strange >>>You won't be surprised to learn that I don't exactly s*bscribe to the 'fall-by-numbers' description of 'Slanted and Enchanted'. The only song on it that could fall into that category would be 'Two States' IMO. The drumbeat to Our Singer is the same as Hip Priest, and another track is similar in part to New Face in Hell, but then again Strange is Sister Ray and Pink Flag has become Guitar Trio. Of course the Fall would never cop a riff from another band would they? Elves => Now I wanna be your dog I am Damo Suzuki => Oh Yeah Antidotes => Kashmir Container Drivers => Gene Vincent Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine Crap Lyrics of the 20th Century: Hey baby I love you a lot (The Fall - Hot Aftershave Bop) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:17:54 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Opera >> It's the open source version of >> Netscape. > >I prefer "Netscape is the hacked-up, proprietary, inferior version >of Mozilla". :) > Actually, I prefer that too! (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:16:11 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Spent on Wire Tapper 09 Spent appears on the 2CD compilation with the new issue of The Wire. There are also good tracks from Liars, Suicide, Mum, Oxes remixed by Cex, Fennesz exclusive remix, Leafcutter John, Dictaphone, Jimmy Lyons Trio, Supersilent, Asa Chang & Junray plus a whole bunch of other less interesting tracks. There is a useful article on No Wave. Suicide album is reviewed as their best ever. Read and Burn 02 is not even mentioned. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:47:54 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Faust Patchwork Press Release FAUST - Patchwork 1971-2002 [CD / LP Staubgold] http://www.staubgold.com 42min of stunning unreleased recordings featuring all original members. "Yes. Faust will forever be heralded as a pioneer in the electronic/rock avant garde, emerging in the early seventies branching off from Brit/American commercial rock bands, employing the use of alterior sonic landscapes to create a new musical tangent." (Alternative Press) For this very special release Staubgold label manager Markus Detmer and Faust member Hans Joachim Irmler compiled unreleased Faust recordings from 1971 to 2002, covering the legendary Wumme Years (1971 - 1973) and the time at Virgin's Manor studios (1974- 1975) as well as their new start in the early 80s and recent years. Compiled as a collage, as the title suggests, "Patchwork" unfolds the core qualities of Faust and gives a deep impression of their working method. "It was their persistence in the entirety of their trip that makes them so legendary now." (Julian Cope) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:54:46 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pot Net > >4. Kilimanjaro - The Teardrop Explodes (1980) > Sounds like Duran Duran, but less inventive. It depends which of your Duran Duran singles you were comparing it to Bill. > You'd have to be on serious > medication to rate this over 154, Strepsils at least. Bonjela. > >9. The For Carnation - The For Carnation (2000) > A flawless masterpiece, as is Slint's Spiderland Bloody hell. We've agreed on something that doesn't involve Sonic Youth ; ) > >10. Marquee Moon - Television (1977) > Another one I'll sit down! > - avoid Richard Lloyd's solo albums though! Tom Verlaine's > instrumental Warm & Cool album is very nice though. Yeah. Very low key, but pretty all the same. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:49:28 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Rockin' records and birthday boys Picking up on a recent thread, to do with top 10 LPs, very difficult to arrive at a definitive 5 or 10, then maybe that's not so important, but so many of my favourites happen to have come out in '79 - 154, Unknown Pleasures, Secondhand Daylight, The Metal Box, Fear Of Music, Do It Yourself, Entertainment, New Picnic Time, Soldier Talk... (did The Voice Of America come out that year ? Though, Red Mecca is probably my favourite Cabs LP). Some of my favourite films came out that year too - Stalker, Apocalypse Now, Alien... What was it about that year ? Meanwhile, belated birthday bleatings to our Keith... hope ye had a good 'un mate... and early greetings to another the Keith (well you didn't give us a date),and to Andrew and Chris... Mark B, am I right in thinking your birthday is imminent also ? With myself turning 38 ten days ago, that makes quite an obstinate clot of October people on this list... Fergus _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:00:16 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] First Clash LP; Harrison's Electronic Sound My guess is that almost all US Clash fans had the import long before the US version was released. George Harrison's ELECTRONIC SOUND was described by Harrison himself as "boy meets machine". He had no idea what he was doing. Yet ... it's not bad, and was unusual for the 1960s. This was during a short lived period when Harrison and Lennon were trying to be very avant garde, and perhaps finding that it's a lot harder than it sounds. (I like some of what they did, but it IS obviously rich rocks stars playing at being experimental.) There's a cite called "8trackheaven.com that has a good 3 minute sample. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 00:11:29 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spent on Wire Tapper 09 > Suicide album is reviewed as their best ever. Not sure it's their *best* (Vega/Rev will take some beating IMO), but the new Suicide album, American Supreme is BRILLIANT! There's one track I'm not so keen on (the Dachau Disney Disco cacophany), but otherwise...Colossal!!! From the opening Televised Execution with it's 'scratching' intro, this is one seriously funky album. On TE it's almost as if they've decided they want to be Sly & the Family Stone! Needless to say, they still sound like Suicide - how could they not with Vega doing that twisted take on Elvis that he's perfected over the years. Just funkier. Definitely a contender for album of the year IMO... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:15:11 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockin' records and birthday boys In a message dated 10/23/02 6:50:01 PM, fkelly88@hotmail.com writes: >(did The Voice Of >America come out that year ? recorded in 80, released by rough trade in 81 i love noise and early cabs (can't get enough of nag nag nag, et al), but for a reason i can't really explain, i think their greatness lies in their releases from crackdown to code. - -paul c.d. n.p. radio 4 (the band) mp3s downloaded off the net i will be buying gotham very soon! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 00:29:31 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockin' records and birthday boys Fergus... > With myself turning 38 ten days ago, that makes > quite an obstinate clot of October people on this list... And the large number of Librans here is the reason why the views and writing on this list are so well-balanced and rational ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 01:08:50 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockin' records and birthday boys On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 12:29:31AM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: [Librans: balanced and equitable] Hmm. Considering I'm hardly noted for my flames, I must be a somewhat atypical Scorpio then... - - Andrew - -- "Drowning in the big swim, rising to the surface..." - - Wire, 'Lowdown' ("Pink Flag") adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:30:36 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rockin' records and birthday boys Fergus... > With myself turning 38 ten days ago, that makes > quite an obstinate clot of October people on this list... And the large number of Librans here is the reason why the views and writing on this list are so well-balanced and rational ; ) Keith ////////// indeed Eric in Toronto b. 14 october 1967 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:01:15 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: [NWW] Re: Instant Shed ... > the only musical performance which has ever made me > physically ill > ^_^ >> > > you've obviously never been to a Blur show... > (i thought i'd throw that in there for my friend > Bill Hick) I don't think tyey'de be that affective. Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:03:33 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] You know you own too much music when... ... > Not from me Keith....i happen to think Rock With You > , Don't Stop Til You Get > Enough, and Off the Wall are damn fine pop/dance > songs... not from this quarter either Q at his best and i have some really special memouries pertaining to this music which i will keep to myself Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:31:05 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rockin' records and birthday boys >Fergus... >> With myself turning 38 ten days ago, that makes >> quite an obstinate clot of October people on this list... > Color me Scorpio! Oct 31st/Nov 1st, 1965. I was born at midnight on Halloween - how odd is that? (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:23:46 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockin' records and birthday boys In a message dated 10/23/02 5:09:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: > Hmm. Considering I'm hardly noted for my flames, I must be a somewhat > atypical Scorpio then... > > - Andrew > > flames are simple Andrew...all you need is: beans, beer, and a lighter ok..ok..ok... sorry....am not entitled to some toilet humour once in a while? RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:41:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dome? I guess the main question has already been answered, so I'll just throw in my 0.02USD. I got that "Dome" album a few years ago and was pleasantly surprised. It wasn't great, but wasn't too bad either. At that time they didn't have anything on the web (still don't! www.cursorclub.com is mostly blank). So I wrote a letter to the label, they emailed me back, and we emailed back and forth off and on for a few months. The label is based in LA. They wouldn't identify who was in the band, since they wanted listeners to focus on the music. I suspect that the label and the band are the same people. Anyhow, they never heard of Dome (the B&G one, that is), but they did know of Wire. They changed their name to cc:Dome for their 2nd album, "Dream Furious". I got that one too and it's also OK. - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/23/02 2:10:21 PM Central Daylight Time, > RLynn9@aol.com > writes: > > << << phew! > the cursor club > >> > > please explain..... > > i don't understand > > go ahead > RL > >> > > i looked up the information...The Cursor Club is a label... > RL Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:05:40 -0700 From: "jaime janzen" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockin' records and birthday boys - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Pietromonaco Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:31 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rockin' records and birthday boys >Fergus... >> With myself turning 38 ten days ago, that makes >> quite an obstinate clot of October people on this list... > Color me Scorpio! Oct 31st/Nov 1st, 1965. I was born at midnight on Halloween - how odd is that? (^_^) Cheers, Paul Cool. I was born at 2pm on Easter Sunday. Jaime ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:19:48 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] der George Wonderwall? Soundtrack to film of same name... Rubbish on both counts IIRC.... later A > Speaking of George Harrison...does anyone have the electronic > record that he > did? i forget the name of it but i think he did some crazy > moog stuff.... > > Robert > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. 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