From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #360 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, October 23 2002 Volume 05 : Number 360 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Pitchforkmedia Review of Read & Burn 02 ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy] der George [RLynn9@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] The Wire book... ELAH ["Eric Klaver" ] [idealcopy] OT Valley Girl...last post ["Eric Klaver" ] [idealcopy] Fw: [NWW] Re: Instant Shed///SOMETHING I'VE JUST FOUND ON mr. gilbert ["DAVID HEALE" ] Re: [idealcopy] Dome? [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: [NWW] Re: Instant Shed [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Dome? [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] You know you own too much music when... ["Keith Astbury"] Re: [idealcopy] You know you own too much music when... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] lists and lists [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: WE'RE ALL OLDER ... ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Valley Girl...last post [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT Opera [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Opera [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Colin's Desert Island Discs ["Glenn" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Opera [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Fw: [idealcopy] OOPS! HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY ["Glenn" Subject: [idealcopy] Pitchforkmedia Review of Read & Burn 02 If you have already read this, then I apologize for the redundancy. If not, then here is the Pitchforkmedia.com review of Read & Burn 02: "Wire Read & Burn 02 EP [Pinkflag; 2002] Rating: 8.6 What band could have released not one, not two, but three historic albums (in as many years), each so different from the one that came before, simultaneously spelling out the brittle aesthetics of England's burgeoning punk movement and, in nearly the same breath, eclipsing them while the rest of the pack was still busy learning to tune their guitars? What band would be willing to then walk away from the zenith of their popularity, claiming they simply didn't have another album in them, only to resurface six years later in 1987 for a string of highly dubious (but not hopeless) new-wave castaways? What band would name one of those albums Manscape? And then, what band could spend ten more years in stasis, recuperating, biding their time for their inevitable recovery, to eventually drop a set of EP's so unique, so urgent, that it's as though the band never went away in the first place? Most importantly, even one year ago, who ever would have believed that such a stunning return was possible? No one but Wire. Read & Burn 02, the second installment of Wire's new three-part mini-series, picks up right where 01 left off; that is, nearly twenty-five years after unleashing the seminal Pink Flag, Wire is continuing to make greatness look easy. In a time when so many bands are content to adapt the sounds of twenty years ago, and The Boils and The Blah Blah Blahs will be the stars of the garage-revival revival five years down the road, it's ironic (really!) that a band that was actually around in the late seventies is releasing music relevant and modern enough that they sound almost as cutting edge now as they did two decades ago. The Read & Burn series draws unavoidably on Wire's past, but the attitude and presentation transmute these fundamentals into something distinctly new. Clockwork percussion mechanisms, guttural barking, and an abrasive storm of guitars akin to a sandpaper tornado characterized 01, and it was impressive just to hear Wire back in lean, mean fighting form. 02, however, takes these elements a step further, wringing, twisting, and torturing guitars to eke out some of the lacerating, poisonous noise (going well beyond the simple distortion of 01) for which they were famous. If not for these seething tones, 02 could easily become an echo of the first Read & Burn installment, equally impressive, but redundant. Wire's not messing around, though-- naked, venomous aggression and robotic rhythms fuse momentously with six strings' worth of their patented alien sounds. The resulting blast will leave you ducking and covering. Initially, Wire's newfound rage may be off-putting to those fans whose fondest memories of the band are from pop-informed pleasantries like "Map Ref 41N 93W" or "The 15th". And while there is some historical precedent for the sound invoked by the new material (see "12XU", "Brazil", among others), it does seem to be the case that the melodic offerings they're probably most famous for have nearly disappeared. The vocal harmonies have been completely phased out, and to some extent, the vocals themselves are of tertiary importance outside of a simple rhythmic device. Behind a smiling keyboard refrain and patches of static sweeps and synth washes, the vox on "Read and Burn" are a distorted, screamed rally cry solely to create a martial pace rather than any discernible content. A mutilated chant of, "Nice streets/ Nice streets/ Nice streets above," punctuates an intermittent burble of reverse-recorded lyrics, suffocating as they try desperately to break the surface of "Nice Streets Above". It's claustrophobic, antagonistic, and wonderfully overpowering. Other songs, like the incomparable "Raft Ants", contain what sounds like lyrics-- though I'll give you one US dollar if you can actually discern what Bruce Gilbert is breaking his lungs to shout at you. Vocal melody is rendered obsolete (again) by the bravado of "Raft Ants"' churning guitars. Wire chooses to supply an almost subliminal sense of melody through feedback undercurrents of whole tones, occasionally diverted by ominous breaks. The dulcet tones are pounded into the background, but rise to fore stronger despite (or because of) it. The ingenious, deep composition of "Raft Ants" makes an embarrassment of entirely too much music, and its interweaving of their early work with their sound from the mid-80s is too impressive to overlook. Finally, for those that still hunger for the melodious Wire of ye olde 1970s, you haven't been forgotten. "Trash/Treasure" is their gift to you, briefly bringing to mind the drone of "Outdoor Miner" as the song gradually intensifies in a haze of feedback, quickening back towards the frenetic racing speed of the rest of 02, and slowly sinking the lyrical harmonies back into the mix. If nothing else, as it returns to step with the rest, it serves as a reminder that Wire is ready to move on, which is good-- to my ears this track, though excellent, seemed like an antique in the midst of such a seamless blend of new and old. Read & Burn 02 is an unqualified improvement over the excellence of 01. Be sure to stay tuned for the final chapter in Wire's latest saga; the Brit-punk legends have justified their return, and all that's left is to turn eyes toward the future. - -Eric Carr, October 22nd, 2002 [Note: Read & Burn 02 is available exclusively through posteverything.com and at Wire's shows. It is not available in stores or via any other mailorder service.]" That's all, folks. Jason P.S.: Glad to see a mention of The Cure - Seventeen Seconds on this list. In my opinion, Seventeen Seconds is one of the best albums ever recorded. _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:12:09 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: WE'RE ALL OLDER ... Sent a copy of the Colin Desert Island Discs to someone... > My God! Someone who takes TOP TENS even more seriously and studiously than > us!! Very interesting, nevertheless. Nice to see a John Cale reference. > Bought myself a few birthday presents this week: (snip) > iii. WIRE, read and burn 01 > So, I've got this friend who is always logging on to Wire websites, > and e-mithering me to buy their new > album. So, I've bought it. So, it's bloody brilliant!!! He can expect a > more detailed review of this in the next couple of days ... You see. A bit of pestering never did anyone any harm! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:22:11 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: WE'RE ALL OLDER ... > You see. A bit of pestering never did anyone any harm! I do exactly the same, but so far I only won my brother over... alienated some friends and family on the way... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:33:51 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AHH..HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR. ASTBURY! > if i coulda' persuaded Alan Vega to sing a happy birthday song fer ya know i > woulda' > (complete with profanity) > > or maybe you woulda' preferred Kylie? A duet Robert! A Fat Al/Little Kylie duet. Yes. There's something to dream about... Can't get you out of my motherfucking head, baby baby - Oww! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:10:23 +0200 From: "Jan Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] to the faraway towns I know it's easy and fun to sneer at ROLLING STONE, but can't we just focus on Jan rigging ratings and lists for his buddies instead of something that's arguably correct? Jan rigging ratings? Excuse my ignorance, but...Que? Star ratings in RS aren't necessarily what the reviewer would rate an album the editorial staff, and ultimately Mr. Wenner, have final say. Writers have left or been fired over this policy. Plus it's an open secret that the inclusion of extra-drossy songs from Billy Joel, Foreigner, et al, in RS's "Top 100 Singles" and similar RS lists stems not from any polling of critics but from Jan's friendship with the Wrong Mick Jones, et al. I hope this Jan you are talking about is not me, I don't care about lists at all. The best album of the year and soon is ridiculous to me. You can't measure who is the best. Maybe some speed-core musicians can say I am the fastest bass-player of the year. Selling ceedees, music etc. has a lot to do with promoting, and giving attention in the media who are responsible for this. And there are all kind of schedules and procedures to make an artist big in selling and popularity. Should we ever know something from by example Pearl Jam, if they were not signing with Sony rec.? Of course they should make one product a year, playing huge festivals etc. Happily there are some musicians who don' t like to run after the moneymakes and say that it is much more interesting to do what you care for artisticaly. And have a lot of respect for them who are doing this for such a long time. p.s. Did Mick Jones play in the Clash or Foreigner? I know Ninety-Nine Miles from Home ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:49:48 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] der George The new George Harrison album is due out before xmas over here - recorded a few months before his death, produced by his son and Jeff Lynne. Keith > i love all george tunes, blood drenched sitar or not! > > - -paul c.d. > > > Me too Paul. I favor most of George's tunes. If I were to pick a top ten > Beatles songs, his songs would be 7 or 8 of em. > > Paulye154 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:49:18 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] der George In a message dated 10/23/02 7:41:39 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << The new George Harrison album is due out before xmas over here - recorded a few months before his death, produced by his son and Jeff Lynne. Keith >> Speaking of George Harrison...does anyone have the electronic record that he did? i forget the name of it but i think he did some crazy moog stuff.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:03:02 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] The Wire book... ELAH A great and engaging book Kevin. Thanks to Santa (Rick) for lending it to me. I will purchase a copy from SAF. I glad it's still available. Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of kevin eden Sent: October 22, 2002 8:28 AM To: Ideal Copy Subject: [idealcopy] The Wire book I would firstly like to thank everyone who has praised me to high heaven forbthe Wire book. Very much appreciated. As for any reprint then can I ask that all requests are sent to SAF books and not me. thanks ===== kevin eden e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wireviews.com "dreams that money can buy" Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:02:57 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] OT... another the Booker So Yann Martel has won the Booker! Haven't read "Life of Pi" but I have read his first novel "Self". Quite good but it takes you a while to get used to him morphing into a woman halfway through. He is as Canadian as they get BTW. Born in Spain and raised in partly in Canada. At the Booker Ceremony he said one of the best lines I've heard to describe Canada since "Canadians are Americans who rejected the revolution." Martel said Canada is "the greatest hotel on Earth." Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:10:06 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] AHH..HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR. ASTBURY! In a message dated 10/23/02 5:24:59 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << A duet Robert! A Fat Al/Little Kylie duet. Yes. There's something to dream about... Can't get you out of my motherfucking head, baby baby - Oww! Keith >> HAHHAHAHHAHHAH!!! now that would be an event! maybe they could use a duet of this caliber on those dumb MTV award shows....certainly better & funnier than "P-Diddy" and Jimmy Page...ugh... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:14:32 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wire at the Barbican another the Keith: Today's Time Out magazine proclaims that Wire will be performing 'Dim Flash' - a version of 'Dot Dash' reworked a la Autobahn. /////////// Wow! Can't wait! ////////////////// Indeed! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:24:36 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] modern english re: Were Modern English really a hit in the USA??? >I recall being similarly shocked when I was splashing about at Water World >in Florida in the early 90's and I Melt With You was played by the on-site >DJ. Being a sad anorak I even went to ask him if it had been a hit there, I >was that surprised...>>>> "I Melt With You" was voted number 1 on the top 100 alternative songs of the 80's here in Salt Lake City by one of our "alternative" radio stations. I don't really agree about number one, but that goes to show how big that song was here. paulye154 /////////////////////////////////////////// OK. To set the record straight I have to spill about my misspent youth. Before there was a John Hughes and after "Fast Times At Ridgemont High" there was a movie called "Valley Girl". This starred one Nicholas Cage in one of his first roles. The prominent song in the movie was Melt With You and, from what I recall, it had a very good soundtrack (though for the life of me I can't remember what it is). My friends and I went my times to see it (I think I was 13 ) because every Tueasday night in the Theatres was $2 Tueasday, and we took in two movies a week on that evening. Eric in Toronto _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:34:23 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] OT Valley Girl...last post ok, so it wasn't a good soundtrack. I guess I was focussing on The Jam. Disk One - Music From The Soundtrack A Million Miles Away - The Plimsouls Johnny, Are You Queer? - Josie Cotton Eyes Of A Stranger -Payola$ Angst In My Pants - Sparks Who Can It Be Now? - Men At Work Everywhere At Once - The Plimsouls I La La La Love You - Pat Travers' Black Pearl He Could Be The One - Josie Cotton Love My Way - Psychedelic Furs Jukebox (Don't Put Another Dime) - The Flirts The Fanatic - Felony She Talks In Stereo - Gary Myrick & The Figures Oldest Story In The World - The Plimsouls School Is In - Josie Cotton I Melt With You - Modern English Disk Two - More Music From The Soundtrack Girls Like Me - Bonnie Hayes with The Wild Combo Eaten By The Monster of Love - Sparks Mickey - Toni Basil Zero Hour (original verison) - The Plimsouls He Was Really Sayin' Somethin' - Bananarama In The Name of Love - Thompson Twins The Earthquake Song - Little Girls Do You Really Want To Hurt Me - Culture Club Cool Places - Sparks & Jane Wiedlin Town Called Malice - The Jam I Eat Cannibals - Total Coelo Time To Win - Gary Myrick & The Figures Voo Doo - Rachel Sweet Marina Men - Valley Girls Pocket Pool - Killer Pussy Shelly's Boyfriend - Bonnie Hayes with The Wild Combo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:41:40 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Valley Girl...last post the stand out tracks in my opinion: << Disk One - Music From The Soundtrack Angst In My Pants - Sparks Love My Way - Psychedelic Furs The Fanatic - Felony Disk Two - More Music From The Soundtrack Eaten By The Monster of Love - Sparks He Was Really Sayin' Somethin' - Bananarama In The Name of Love - Thompson Twins Do You Really Want To Hurt Me - Culture Club Cool Places - Sparks & Jane Wiedlin Town Called Malice - The Jam I Eat Cannibals - Total Coelo >>>> Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:56:41 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Valley Girl...last post > I Eat Cannibals - Total Coelo >>>> Now there's one I haven't heard in a long long time. Not sure I want to, thinking about it! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:21:12 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Ian MacDonald > Whereas I love Ian MacDonald. He was one of the great writers in the early > 70s NME. > I'd have MacDonald up there with Charles Shaar Murray, Paul Morley, Julie > Burchill, Tony Parsons, Pete Erskine, Nick Kent and Steven Wells as the > cream of the NME. Wow!!! That's some compliment! They're basically the greats (though I don't know Erskine) I can't comment on the pieces from the early 70's, cos I can't really remember them, but if you rate him with those above then I'll take your word for it. I'm judging him on what he's writing at the moment in Uncut or Mojo Keith, and he sends me to sleep. A few under-rated ones IMO - Stuart Maconie, Paul de Noyer, and - for chuckles - David Quantick. And what about Chris Roberts? There was a spell in the late 80's when he was with Melody Maker when he was writing some really mental stuff. Keith NP Low - trust ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:51:51 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin's Desert Island Discs > and fellow 'scoffers' at the time - was concerned was that LC was very much > a 70's album. So why pick it as a representative of another decade? Think: Bananarama, Culture Club, Kadjagoogoo(?), - this is a no-brainer. Think: Black Flag, Husker Du, Savage Republic, - it could be something else. My 2-cents, (or is that 6 ? :)) Glenn. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:29:58 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: [NWW] Re: Instant Shed///SOMETHING I'VE JUST FOUND ON mr. gilbert HI ALL - SOME MR. GILBERT INFO HERE... INTERESTING. PITY CD DIDN'T EMERGE. and while i;m at it... late"happy birthday" mr."pop" astbury see ya... DAVID in cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: ac.inversion@talk21.com To: nww@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:07 PM Subject: [NWW] Re: Instant Shed >i saw him perform a few >years ago here in london and he was inside this gardenshed - just a cheap >one as you can get from your local gardencenter ... - so all you saw was >this face popping up now and again through one of the windows >i think boyd rice and panasonic played that evening as well Yeah, Bruce Gilbert used to DJ at most of the Disobey events (which I think were organised by Paul Smith at Blast First) in the self same shed as DJ Beekeeper. I read that he spray-painted all of the CDs he used black so that he couldn't tell what he was playing but just had to work with whatever sounds emerged. Sadly a planned CD of highlights from his sets never appeared. A greatly underrated solo artist is Mr Gilbert. - -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ~W$>AW4d$;`>UhEB$9P>UhG$KGQ>UW49~W$>$Q$$Q~$9^GUP$P$>>UP$~$^Wd$;W$>;d$>,~ NURSE WITH WOUND NURSE WITH WOUND NURSE WITH WOUND NURSE WITH WOUND NURS W$*UW>~<$>>UP$G$x>$>$B$9$$9'W4`*,">UhG$KGQ$>~$^$>UhK$KGQP$$x`~$^Wd$^ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:40:18 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Dome? a non-Wire fan (oddly enough i have a few friends that i haven't converted) gave me a limited edition numbered cd in a white sleeve with name Dome embossed on the cover....i knew this couldn't possibly be our boys, but i gladly accepted it anyway...took it home and gave it a spin...it is definitely not Gilbert & Lewis...but it is fairly decent etheral ambient music..... anybody know who this is? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:27:15 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY Sod it, it's my birthday next week and you can add another five years on! Happy birthday to all of us. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: Andrew Walkingshaw ; Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY > > Many happy returns - you're a whole twenty years and a handful of days > > older than I am incidentally... > > Bloody hell. I'd had a nice day till I read that! > > K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:47:44 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lists and lists (was: being for the benefit of sgt pepper) Ah, but wasn't the US version of 'The Clash' different from the UK one? So the American view of that album may be quite of quite a different beast than the UK view. Also, CDs now often contain extra tracks so people coming to those albums on CD first will get a different track-list. Which is not to say I disagree over the sanctity of Unknown Pleasures but this is more complicated than it appears. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Ye > > > You make a good point and that is the beauty of it. If Seventeen Seconds by > The Cure had more songs on it it would not be the same. And there are few > songs, if any, by The Cure that would fit the mood on the album. Same with > UP. It was what it was. > > Paulye154 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:00:20 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY My daughte will be 3 next week ^_^ - --- Keith Knight wrote: > Sod it, it's my birthday next week and you can add > another five years on! > > Happy birthday to all of us. > > another the Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Astbury > To: Andrew Walkingshaw ; > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:00 AM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY > > > > > Many happy returns - you're a whole twenty years > and a handful of days > > > older than I am incidentally... > > > > Bloody hell. I'd had a nice day till I read that! > > > > K. Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:02:48 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: [NWW] Re: Instant Shed ... > greatly underrated solo artist is Mr Gilbert. not by me he did a nifty thing here in chicago some years back with a pedalboard loop the only musical performance which has ever made me physically ill ^_^ Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:04:00 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dome? phew! the cursor club - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > a non-Wire fan (oddly enough i have a few friends > that i haven't converted) > gave me a limited edition numbered cd in a white > sleeve with name Dome > embossed on the cover....i knew this couldn't > possibly be our boys, but i > gladly accepted it anyway...took it home and gave it > a spin...it is > definitely not Gilbert & Lewis...but it is fairly > decent etheral ambient > music..... > > anybody know who this is? > > Robert Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:09:27 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dome? In a message dated 10/23/02 2:04:43 PM Central Daylight Time, rayographique@yahoo.com writes: << phew! the cursor club >> please explain..... i don't understand go ahead RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:16:58 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: [NWW] Re: Instant Shed In a message dated 10/23/02 2:03:09 PM Central Daylight Time, rayographique@yahoo.com writes: << > greatly underrated solo artist is Mr Gilbert. not by me he did a nifty thing here in chicago some years back with a pedalboard loop the only musical performance which has ever made me physically ill ^_^ >> you've obviously never been to a Blur show... (i thought i'd throw that in there for my friend Bill Hick) RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:14:29 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dome? In a message dated 10/23/02 2:10:21 PM Central Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: << << phew! the cursor club >> please explain..... i don't understand go ahead RL >> i looked up the information...The Cursor Club is a label... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:58:49 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] You know you own too much music when... > just please don't mention this whole thing to my wife! alright, next > confession... > > who has bought something, not realizing you already had it? me first: > > sugarplant - after after hours > circle x - prehistory just the once - an early 90's....(wait for it)....Michael Jackson cd single! Consoled myself with the fact that it had an additional track, but the truth is I'd forgot I bought it. Yeah I know what you're gonna say! I await the vitriol ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:54:59 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] You know you own too much music when... In a message dated 10/23/02 2:50:48 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << just the once - an early 90's....(wait for it)....Michael Jackson cd single! Consoled myself with the fact that it had an additional track, but the truth is I'd forgot I bought it. Yeah I know what you're gonna say! I await the vitriol ; ) Keith >> Not from me Keith....i happen to think Rock With You , Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, and Off the Wall are damn fine pop/dance songs...i think Heartbreak Hotel by the Jacksons is fine outing as well.... just trying to ease the inevitible pain that is sure to come your/our way... Robert n.p. - Gordon Mumma - Live Electronic Music (Tzadik) up next- The Black Dog with Black Sifichi - Unsavory Products (been waiting for this one!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:18:46 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lists and lists >Ah, but wasn't the US version of 'The Clash' different from the UK one? Yes. Tracklisting UK: 1. Janie Jones (Jones/Strummer) - 2:08 2. Remote Control (Jones/Strummer) - 3:03 3. I'm So Bored With the U.S.A. (Jones/Strummer) - 2:24 4. White Riot (Jones/Strummer) - 1:56 5. Hate & War (Jones/Strummer) - 2:06 6. What's My Name (Jones/Strummer) - 1:41 7. Deny (Jones/Strummer) - 3:06 8. London's Burning (Jones/Strummer) - 2:12 9. Career Opportunities (Jones/Strummer) - 1:54 10. Cheat (Jones/Strummer) - 2:06 11. Protex Blue (Jones/Strummer) - 1:47 12. Police & Thieves (Murvin/Perry) - 6:03 13. 48 Hours (Jones/Summers) - 1:36 14. Garageland (Jones/Strummer) - 3:12 Tracklisting US: 1. Clash City Rockers (Jones/Strummer) - 3:49 review 2. I'm So Bored with the U.S.A. (Jones/Strummer) - 2:24 3. Remote Control (Jones/Strummer) - 3:01 review 4. Complete Control (Jones/Strummer) - 3:14 review 5. White Riot (Jones/Strummer) - 1:59 review 6. (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais (Jones/Strummer) - 4:00 review 7. London's Burning (Jones/Strummer) - 2:10 review 8. I Fought the Law (Curtis) - 2:41 9. Janie Jones (Jones/Strummer) - 2:06 review 10. Career Opportunities (Jones/Strummer) - 1:52 11. What's My Name (Jones/Strummer) - 1:41 12. Hate & War (Jones/Strummer) - 2:05 review 13. Police & Thieves (Murvin/Perry) - 6:01 review 14. Jail Guitar Doors (Jones/Strummer) - 3:05 review 15. Garageland (Jones/Strummer) - 3:12 Now, what was the question again? (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:03:42 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: WE'RE ALL OLDER ... I took two friends to the Bristol gig, will be going with two different ones to the Barbican and yet a further two to Brighton! The Bristol gig certainly resulted in R&B purchases. The Barbican should be preaching to the converted for the co-attendees. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart van Damme To: wire-news Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: WE'RE ALL OLDER ... > > You see. A bit of pestering never did anyone any harm! > > > I do exactly the same, but so far I only won my brother over... alienated > some friends and family on the way... > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:58:49 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Ian MacDonald Quantick really was a mainstay for a long time - I've always attributed those jokey taglines to him. I forgot Biba Kopf too - consummate taste in leftfield releases. Erskine died young and only really contributed for a few years but I recall always wanting to read his stuff even if I wasn't interested in the subject. Now, if we're going off-piste then Simon Reynolds and Everett True also need to be included and I like Ben Thompson from his collected books. Jane Suck burned bright for a while. Time Out has had some good writers too - Peter Paphides and Garry Mulholland in recent years have given me pleasure. What about American critics? Lester Bangs natch (an honorary NME man for a while) but is Robert Christgau all he's cracked up to be? another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: Keith Knight ; Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Ian MacDonald > > Whereas I love Ian MacDonald. He was one of the great writers in the > early > > 70s NME. > > > I'd have MacDonald up there with Charles Shaar Murray, Paul Morley, Julie > > Burchill, Tony Parsons, Pete Erskine, Nick Kent and Steven Wells as the > > cream of the NME. > > Wow!!! That's some compliment! They're basically the greats (though I don't > know Erskine) I can't comment on the pieces from the early 70's, cos I can't > really remember them, but if you rate him with those above then I'll take > your word for it. I'm judging him on what he's writing at the moment in > Uncut or Mojo Keith, and he sends me to sleep. > > A few under-rated ones IMO - Stuart Maconie, Paul de Noyer, and - for > chuckles - David Quantick. And what about Chris Roberts? There was a spell > in the late 80's when he was with Melody Maker when he was writing some > really mental stuff. > > Keith > > NP Low - trust ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:35:12 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Ian MacDonald On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 07:58:49PM +0100, Keith Knight wrote: > Quantick really was a mainstay for a long time - I've always attributed > those jokey taglines to him. I forgot Biba Kopf too - consummate taste in > leftfield releases. Erskine died young and only really contributed for a > few years but I recall always wanting to read his stuff even if I wasn't > interested in the subject. > As for recent NME writers, I'd like to put in a word for Keith Cameron, and Steve Sutherland's had his moments before they moved him upstairs to muzzle him... - - Andrew - -- "Everybody eat your dust; everybody love your dust..." - The Auteurs, "Light Aircraft on Fire" ('After Murder Park') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:41:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] OT Opera Yo yo ICists!! On a non-music related note, I downloaded the free version on 'Opera' last night. It is a browser NOT made by Microsoft nor AOL/Netscape, I've been running it today and it's working pretty well! Their URL is http://www.opera.com One of the features they are touting is that you can disable popup ads! I still haven't verified that but it's a pretty exciting concept! Happy trails!! ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:08:07 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Valley Girl...last post In a message dated 10/23/02 11:42:25 AM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: >the stand out tracks in my opinion: > ><< Disk One - Music From The Soundtrack > > Angst In My Pants - Sparks > Love My Way - Psychedelic Furs > The Fanatic - Felony > > Disk Two - More Music From The Soundtrack > > Eaten By The Monster of Love - Sparks > He Was Really Sayin' Somethin' - Bananarama > In The Name of Love - Thompson Twins > Do You Really Want To Hurt Me - Culture Club > Cool Places - Sparks & Jane Wiedlin > Town Called Malice - The Jam > I Eat Cannibals - Total Coelo >>>> yeah, but the last one on this list stands out in sorta teh same way a broken bone through the skin does :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:13:37 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Opera >On a non-music related note, I downloaded the free >version on 'Opera' last night. > >It is a browser NOT made by Microsoft nor >AOL/Netscape, I've been running it today and it's >working pretty well! > >Their URL is http://www.opera.com > >One of the features they are touting is that you can >disable popup ads! I still haven't verified that but >it's a pretty exciting concept! > If you're into free browsers you might want to give Mozilla ( http://www.mozilla.org ) a try. It's the open source version of Netscape. It also can disable pop-up ads, and is *very* Javascript and HTML compliant. Plus it has the coolest tab view (which I think Opera can do as well.) I'm not just pushing it because I'm a mozilla.org contributor, either. (^_^) This is, by far, my favorite browser right now. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:22:25 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Opera On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 02:13:37PM -0700, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > If you're into free browsers you might want to give Mozilla ( > http://www.mozilla.org ) a try. It's the open source version of > Netscape. Given you're a contributor, this is teaching you to suck eggs I guess: but I prefer "Netscape is the hacked-up, proprietary, inferior version of Mozilla". :) > It also can disable pop-up ads, and is *very* Javascript and > HTML compliant. Plus it has the coolest tab view (which I think Opera > can do as well.) So can Galeon (for Linux), which uses the Mozilla rendering engine - Gecko. I feel obliged to mention Konqueror for Linux here too, which is also an excellent browser: and there's KMeleon (the Galeon-equivalent) for Windows, and Chimera on MacOS X. - - Andrew - -- "Trust me. | adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) Believe me. | http://wwww.lexical.org.uk/ It's all in the art... | of stopping. - Wire, "In the Art of Stopping" ('Read and Burn 01') ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:26:28 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin's Desert Island Discs > You're deliberate mis-spelling of Kajagoogoo doesn't fool me for a minute > Glenn! Oops! > So where you've been! In front of this box, believe it or not! G. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:30:46 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Opera In a message dated 10/23/02 4:41:46 PM, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: > >One of the features they are touting is that you can >disable popup ads! I still haven't verified that but >it's a pretty exciting concept! very appealing for sure, but what i know of this feature elsewhere (and i believe there's a code or something that can be downloaded for ie and netscape/aol) is that while disabling pop-ups, it also disables your ability to view sites with multiple windows that aren't ads. :o( someday our prince will come...let us know if opera is it! - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:39:12 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] OOPS! HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OOPS! HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY > > > Bloody hell. I'd had a nice day till I read that! > > May I belatedly wish you ? > ...but more importantly, does this affect the prerequisites for a Cabaret > Voltaire tribute? :) > Glenn. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:04:11 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lists and lists > >Ah, but wasn't the US version of 'The Clash' different from the UK > one? > > Yes. > > Tracklisting UK: God. They're drastically different, aren't they. On a similar theme, the current re-issue Rolling Stones programme see both the UK & US versions getting a re-release. Keith > 1. Janie Jones (Jones/Strummer) - 2:08 > 2. Remote Control (Jones/Strummer) - 3:03 > 3. I'm So Bored With the U.S.A. (Jones/Strummer) - 2:24 > 4. White Riot (Jones/Strummer) - 1:56 > 5. Hate & War (Jones/Strummer) - 2:06 > 6. What's My Name (Jones/Strummer) - 1:41 > 7. Deny (Jones/Strummer) - 3:06 > 8. London's Burning (Jones/Strummer) - 2:12 > 9. Career Opportunities (Jones/Strummer) - 1:54 > 10. Cheat (Jones/Strummer) - 2:06 > 11. Protex Blue (Jones/Strummer) - 1:47 > 12. Police & Thieves (Murvin/Perry) - 6:03 > 13. 48 Hours (Jones/Summers) - 1:36 > 14. Garageland (Jones/Strummer) - 3:12 > > > > Tracklisting US: > > 1. Clash City Rockers (Jones/Strummer) - 3:49 review > 2. I'm So Bored with the U.S.A. (Jones/Strummer) - 2:24 > 3. Remote Control (Jones/Strummer) - 3:01 review > 4. Complete Control (Jones/Strummer) - 3:14 review > 5. White Riot (Jones/Strummer) - 1:59 review > 6. (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais (Jones/Strummer) - 4:00 review > 7. London's Burning (Jones/Strummer) - 2:10 review > 8. I Fought the Law (Curtis) - 2:41 > 9. Janie Jones (Jones/Strummer) - 2:06 review > 10. Career Opportunities (Jones/Strummer) - 1:52 > 11. What's My Name (Jones/Strummer) - 1:41 > 12. Hate & War (Jones/Strummer) - 2:05 review > 13. Police & Thieves (Murvin/Perry) - 6:01 review > 14. Jail Guitar Doors (Jones/Strummer) - 3:05 review > 15. Garageland (Jones/Strummer) - 3:12 > > > Now, what was the question again? (^_^) > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #360 *******************************