From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #359 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, October 23 2002 Volume 05 : Number 359 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Colin's Desert Island Discs ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] the wire book [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Not me/|Modern English [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] underwhelmed [rayographique ] [idealcopy] HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] AHH..HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR. ASTBURY! [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #350 ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] You know you own too much music when... was Re: OT - Blood (3rd This Mortal Coil LP) [] [idealcopy] to the faraway towns [Miles Goosens ] [idealcopy] HB...K!! [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] lists and lists (was: being for the benefit of sgt pepper) ["Paul Ye" ] [idealcopy] der George ["Paul Ye" ] Re: [idealcopy] HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:04:16 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin's Desert Island Discs > > Remember when Rolling Stone chose Londons > > Calling as their album of the > > 80's, even though it was released in 1979. And > > we Brits scoffed at our US friends! > > No offense to Keith, but I am so tired of this one. > Yes, LONDON CALLING came > out in the *U.K.* on December 14th, 1979, a date so ridiculously late in the > year, allowing so little time for listening and assessment, that it's pretty > much necessary to consider LONDON CALLING a 1980 album even from that vantage > point. Touched a nerve there Miles! I'm not saying it was very clever, but 'scoff' we did, so why pretend otherwise. Sure we're only talking about 2 wks, but the point as far as I - and fellow 'scoffers' at the time - was concerned was that LC was very much a 70's album. So why pick it as a representative of another decade? > But even if you do choose to be that pedantic, LONDON CALLING's U.S. release > date was in January 1980. But it's a 70's album, Miles. That was the point. But so what? We're all pedants here IMO ; ) > I know it's easy and fun to sneer at ROLLING STONE, but can't we just focus on > Jan rigging ratings and lists for his buddies instead of something that's > arguably correct? Jan rigging ratings? Excuse my ignorance, but...Que? Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] The Wire book I would firstly like to thank everyone who has praised me to high heaven forbthe Wire book. Very much appreciated. As for any reprint then can I ask that all requests are sent to SAF books and not me. thanks ===== kevin eden e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wireviews.com "dreams that money can buy" Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:36:55 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] the wire book Kevin wrote >>As for any reprint then can I ask that all requests >>are sent to SAF books and not me. thanks and here's the address http://www.safpublishing.com/contact.htm later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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Eiliv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:20:37 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Not me/|Modern English In a message dated 10/21/02 6:03:34 AM Central Daylight Time, HowardJSpencer@aol.com writes: << The Modern English/TMC version is well worth seeking if you haven't heard it - better than Colin's version, IMO, probably because that was only a demo. Lyrics are about being underwhelmed by the Salvador Dali museum in Figueres, something I can identify with. Howard >> The museum in Tampa/St. Petersburg, Florida is not all that astounding either.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] underwhelmed > underwhelmed by ... Salvador Dali ... > something *I* can identify with. all surrealistically inclined individuals are directed to look at the work of remedios varo http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=remedios+varo Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY a VERY happy Birfday 'old' boy.....what camera did you get????Ari Keith Astbury wrote:From: "Keith Astbury" To: "Ari Britt" Subject: Re: Wire /Roxy Music Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:32:43 +0100 That sounds great! Thanx-a-lot!!! It's my birthday today - 42! - got an ace new digital camera. Just got to work out how to use it now! Keith----- Original Message ----- From: Ari Britt To: Keith Astbury Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:21 AMSubject: Re: Wire /Roxy Music Did the Wire L.A concert and the 2 Roxy Music..shall mail 'em off Wed or Thursday,when I may be near a post office. Ari Keith Astbury wrote: > > Remember when Rolling Stone chose Londons > > Calling as their album of the > > 80's, even though it was released in 1979. And > > we Brits scoffed at our US friends! > > No offense to Keith, but I am so tired of this one. > Yes, LONDON CALLING came > out in the *U.K.* on December 14th, 1979, a date so ridiculously late in the > year, allowing so little time for listening and assessment, that it's pretty > much necessary to consider LONDON CALLING a 1980 album even from that vantage > point. Touched a nerve there Miles! I'm not saying it was very clever, but 'scoff' we did, so why pretend otherwise. Sure we're only talking about 2 wks, but the point as far as I - and fellow 'scoffers' at the time - was concerned was that LC was very much a 70's album. So why pick it as a representative of another decade? > But even if you do choose to be that pedantic, LONDON CALLING's U.S. release > date was in January 1980. But it's a 70's album, Miles. That was the point. But so what? We're all pedants here IMO ; ) > I know it's easy and fun to sneer at ROLLING STONE, but can't we just focus on > Jan rigging ratings and lists for his buddies instead of something that's > arguably correct? Jan rigging ratings? Excuse my ignorance, but...Que? Keith Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:06:42 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] AHH..HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR. ASTBURY! Happy Birthday my dear friend...may you recieve a pair of leather trousers in every colour you wished for! here's to 42 more! a finer lad you'll never find... if i coulda' persuaded Alan Vega to sing a happy birthday song fer ya know i woulda' (complete with profanity) or maybe you woulda' preferred Kylie? CHEERS! ya saucey old salt! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:17:12 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #350 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw > > It's a tough call. The best bits of Sgt. Peppers' are unbelievably good > (and I'd class "A Day in the Life" in that), the worst bits are at best > pleasant and mildly amusing, and at worst glib and deeply annoying. > McCartney has a lot of natural talent, but some truly alarming lapses > of taste. Revolver is weak for a few tracks: "I'm Only Sleeping" is tolerable, > "Yellow Submarine" is annoying, - -------------- I bought Yellow Submarine on first release at the age of 10 or so and can therefore view it through nostalgic, rose-tinted specs. - ----------------------- "A Day in the Life" is good enough for me to think about the album; but > it was never going to hit my top 10 with the amount of, basically, filler > on it. > > However, if the original plan for Peppers' had been followed, it'd be > in my top ten: the double A-side, Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny > Lane, was pulled off it during the recording process. > I'm swayed in that there's records I've bought purely because I think I should > have heard them: sometimes successful, sometimes mixed, sometimes not. - ------------------------ I think we've all done that - there's always something out there one feels one should have heard. But often it doesn't live up to expectation, either because the time has gone or because it's not that good. I still think the latter about Sgt Pepper. I probably first heard it in 70 or so and it irritated me even then. Even A Day in the Life didn't have that great an impact - perhaps it had already done its work by then and music had moved on? - ----------------------- > Another album I like a lot. Knew there'd be some I'd forget - another > was Love's "Forever Changes". (If I were to name a Bowie album, which > seems a popular path to go, I actually prefer Hunky Dory to Low, > though I've never actually heard all of Ziggy Stardust - I can see why > Low is the more *important* record, and I enjoy listening to it, > but... "Life on Mars?". Enough said.) - ------------------- Forever Changes was one of those albums mentioned above - something that just passed me by. I didn't hear it until about three years ago and it's one which still retains a charm, although it's too anchored in its period to break-out into anything other than a period piece for me. Still, it has served as useful listening material for getting into The Coral, which Mr Astbury will be pleased to hear I'm enjoying a great deal. My Bowie album of choice these days is Aladdin Sane, which I didn't like all that much at the time. Sounds cracking now, and I foind myself warming more over the years to Ziggy too. I'm probably overfamiliar with Low and the others from the mid-70s. another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:43:01 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire at the Barbican Today's Time Out magazine proclaims that Wire will be performing 'Dim Flash' - a version of 'Dot Dash' reworked a la Autobahn. Can't wait! another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:59:31 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Ian MacDonald Whereas I love Ian MacDonald. He was one of the great writers in the early 70s NME. I can still recall his two page (TWO pages! - imagine that in the NME now) demolition of Mike Oldfield's 'Hergest Ridge', not from the hippy bollocks standpoint but from the point of view that as a piece of semi-classical music (which it was being held out to be) it didn't cut the mustard. MacDonald was always clued in to the Stockhausen side of rock - he's quoted on the sleeve of The Faust Tapes if memory serves, calling it the most important piece of music since 'A Day in the Life'. I read 'Revolution in the Head' transfixed, even though I don't like the Beatles. It even made me go to the library and borrow some of their albums to check them out - although I've basically lapsed back to my lazy, 'they were overrated' view as can be seen from recent posts. I'd have MacDonald up there with Charles Shaar Murray, Paul Morley, Julie Burchill, Tony Parsons, Pete Erskine, Nick Kent and Steven Wells as the cream of the NME. [ SWells, by the way, is doing some agreeably barmy ranting on the Guardian's webpages at present) another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury > > incidentally... reference: "Revolution in the Head", by Ian MacDonald) > > Can I just say at this point that I hate Ian MacDonald. What a dull fucking > writer. I've read articles/reviews by him that relate to HEROES of mine and > I've struggled to finish them cos they're just so BORING! > > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 00:11:43 +0200 From: "Eiliv Konglevoll" Subject: [none] Wire - Exploding Views is a book by Alessandra Libutti on Collana Sconcerteo 1994. A short chronology, some interviews and lots of lyrics, all in Italian and English. And a single CD Live May 1990 with Sixth, What, 1 2 Drill U and Underwater. From Materiali Sonori in Valdarno http://www.materialisonori.it/ didn't find it there but 20.000 copies, so there may be a chance to get it? If you haven't all got it already. Eiliv -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Ari Britt Til: Eiliv Konglevoll Dato: 22. oktober 2002 21:42 Emne: Re: [idealcopy] wire book Everyone loves a history......Ari Eiliv Konglevoll wrote: Which book? Everybody loves a history? Exploded views? Eiliv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:20:57 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] You know you own too much music when... was Re: OT - Blood (3rd This Mortal Coil LP) In a message dated 10/22/02 3:06:05 AM, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: You know you own too much music when... >On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 12:26:52AM -0400, Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > >> doh! how big an idiot am i? go ahead, tell me... of course i have this >album! >> i remembered that cover being on the breeders pod lp, so when ian wrote >the >> above post i went to check and...here i am listening to blood right now. >> >> -another the paul just please don't mention this whole thing to my wife! alright, next confession... who has bought something, not realizing you already had it? me first: sugarplant - after after hours circle x - prehistory though i must say in my own defense that on both occasions the cd or lp had a different cover when i bought the second one, so it's just the title i forgot :o) i'm always quick to admit i'm a visual person. - -paul (words baaaad arrrrrrrr) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:38:32 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] to the faraway towns At 11:04 AM 10/22/2002 +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: >I'm not saying it was very clever, but 'scoff' we did, so why pretend >otherwise. Sure we're only talking about 2 wks, but the point as far as I - >and fellow 'scoffers' at the time - was concerned was that LC was very much >a 70's album. So why pick it as a representative of another decade? The bulk of albums from the first half of 1980, even if they bear a 1980 copyright were almost certainly recorded in 1979 -- should those be considered '70s albums too? To me, given that LONDON CALLING barely made it onto the shelves anywhere in '79, and not where I could buy one until 1980, and that most of its impact (sales, publicity, reviews, etc.) came in 1980, I'm fine with it being a 1980 album. >> I know it's easy and fun to sneer at ROLLING STONE, but can't we just >focus on >> Jan rigging ratings and lists for his buddies instead of something that's >> arguably correct? > >Jan rigging ratings? Excuse my ignorance, but...Que? Star ratings in RS aren't necessarily what the reviewer would rate an album - -- the editorial staff, and ultimately Mr. Wenner, have final say. Writers have left or been fired over this policy. Plus it's an open secret that the inclusion of extra-drossy songs from Billy Joel, Foreigner, et al, in RS's "Top 100 Singles" and similar RS lists stems not from any polling of critics but from Jan's friendship with the Wrong Mick Jones, et al. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 00:10:49 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 12:40:38PM -0700, Ari Britt wrote: > a VERY happy Birfday 'old' boy.....what camera did you get????Ari Many happy returns - you're a whole twenty years and a handful of days older than I am incidentally... This must be the week for birthdays: this is the fourth I know about, including my own... (which, as attentive readers will no doubt be aware *ahem*[1], is on Friday.) - - Andrew [1] Yeah, right. :) - -- "I'm not that mediaeval, sometimes I write my thoughts down, I can never remember who I am..." - - Idlewild, "Everyone Says You're So Fragile" ('Hope is Important') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 00:49:50 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] to the faraway towns > the point as far as I - > >and fellow 'scoffers' at the time - was concerned was that LC was very much > >a 70's album. So why pick it as a representative of another decade? > > The bulk of albums from the first half of 1980, even if they bear a 1980 > copyright were almost certainly recorded in 1979 -- should those be > considered '70s albums too? No. Just London Calling. I've made my bed. I'll lie in in it ; ) Keith. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:00:42 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY > Many happy returns - you're a whole twenty years and a handful of days > older than I am incidentally... Bloody hell. I'd had a nice day till I read that! K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:56:16 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY In a message dated 10/22/02 4:51:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > Many happy returns - you're a whole twenty years and a handful of days > > older than I am incidentally... > > Bloody hell. I'd had a nice day till I read that! > > K. > can't win em' all !....as i said before Keith; keep telling yourself that it's all just a frame of mind! you'll be ok! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:30:27 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ot -Re: dali museum In a message dated 10/22/02 2:21:30 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > >The museum in Tampa/St. Petersburg, Florida is not all that astounding > >either.... i was thinking about this too. the building itself could have been built to reflect something "dali" but what i did like there is the split level gallery that allows viewers to see the large paintings from a distance (and at a good height) and up close as well. otherwise, yeah, it leaves something to be desired. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:47:12 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] underwhelmed In a message dated 10/22/02 2:29:44 PM, rayographique@yahoo.com writes: >> underwhelmed by ... Salvador Dali ... >> something *I* can identify with. > >all surrealistically inclined individuals are directed >to look at the work of remedios varo what i've seen of her work is interesting enough, but i'd say not to anyone underwhelmed by dali. personally, i think dali gets a bad rap, or wrap (this line should be accompanied by a collage picturing dali wearing a cape or stole made of something "bad", perhaps spoiled meat). - -paul (this is not an email) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:36:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] Hello Dali! I have to say that while I find his personna a bit too much to take, along the lines of 'Ziggy' era Bowie. Dali's art was, IMO at least honest it's his intentions. One of my most clear memories of visiting Paris about ten years ago was visiting a Dali museum near Sacre Coeur de Mon Martre that really floored me! I had previously only been familiar with his incredibly dull and overexposed melting watches and leaping tigers, but being faced with a gallery full of his work was quite breath taking. Overall I have to say that he was an artist in the purest sense, which is why he comes off as such a complete whacko! PS - Dave, did the book arrive yet? ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:39:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] HB...K!! Happy Birthday Keith!! May there be many Read and Burns in your (our?) future!! ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:56:52 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lists and lists (was: being for the benefit of sgt pepper) >From: MarkBursa@aol.com >To: paulye154@hotmail.com, idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lists and lists (was: being for the benefit of sgt >pepper) >Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:55:53 EDT > > >>Ooops. I kind of feel stupid now. I was pimping Unknown Pleasures >really >hard and started talking about a song that wasn't even on it. >Nevertheless, >it still stands as my favorite JD album even though subconsciously I >desired >Earcom 2 to be a part of it. I was actually thinking of the last track "I >Remember Nothing" that was full of really cool noises and quiet guitars. >Too late to back that one up.<< > >It's fair enough. those Earcom tracks were UP session outtakes. I guess if >the album had been designed for CD they might have been included... though >I'm not sure that would have enhanced the album any!! > >Mark You make a good point and that is the beauty of it. If Seventeen Seconds by The Cure had more songs on it it would not be the same. And there are few songs, if any, by The Cure that would fit the mood on the album. Same with UP. It was what it was. Paulye154 _________________________________________________________________ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:11:10 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] modern english re: Were Modern English really a hit in the USA??? >I recall being similarly shocked when I was splashing about at Water World >in Florida in the early 90's and I Melt With You was played by the on-site >DJ. Being a sad anorak I even went to ask him if it had been a hit there, I >was that surprised...>>>> "I Melt With You" was voted number 1 on the top 100 alternative songs of the 80's here in Salt Lake City by one of our "alternative" radio stations. I don't really agree about number one, but that goes to show how big that song was here. paulye154 _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:40:08 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] der George i love all george tunes, blood drenched sitar or not! - - -paul c.d. Me too Paul. I favor most of George's tunes. If I were to pick a top ten Beatles songs, his songs would be 7 or 8 of em. Paulye154 _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 03:19:41 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HAPPY BURFDAY KIEF.ASTBURY In a message dated 23/10/2002 00:57:05 GMT Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > can't win em' all !....as i said before Keith; keep telling yourself that > it's all just a frame of mind! you'll be ok! > > Robert > It's all in the frame of my body you mean.I'm 43 on Tuesday & feel it this morning.Too much real ale last night ! Cheers Chris (& many happy return to those with Birthdays this week.) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #359 *******************************