From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #357 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, October 21 2002 Volume 05 : Number 357 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: Later/Interpol [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] X ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] being for... the stranglers ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc/Colin Dead Can Dance/pt.1.3 [MarkBursa@aol.c] Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc/Colin Dead Can Dance/pt.1.5 [Ari Britt ] Re: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc/Colin Dead Can Dance/pt.1.5 [Ari Br] Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc/Colin Dead Can Dance [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc [RLynn9@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 05:35:58 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Later/Interpol Sent that feedback form off re later - tho it seems to be more geared to commenting on web content than making programming suggestions. Consume, don't ask, in other words. Saw the much-vaunted Interpol last night in Brighton. Don't bother - Flock of Seagulls minus tunes and basic musical competency. The only band worse than them that I've seen in the last couple of years was the support act. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:42:23 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] X - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw > [2] Before anyone asks, no I won't be making music. I don't > have any ideas I feel are as good as those on my > favourite records, and what would be the point of producing > something I know to be second-rate and forcing it on > people? Wrong attitude Andrew - the great is the enemy of the good, or something. You don't need to force anything on anybody; it can be enough to derive pleasure from the process of making the effort ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:21:31 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] being for... the stranglers - ----- Original Message ----- From: inclusion of "no more heroes" album tracks like dagenham > dave and dead ringer in a stranglers "best of" listing ; i have some time for > 3 of the first 4 stranglers albums but to me NMH is a horrible rushed out > thing that sounds like they tossed it off in fear of their bandwagon > derailing before they'd paid the advance back. > I liked The Stranglers a great deal in my teens, but largely abandoned ship after Feline, which I really didn't care for. Anyway, last week I happened to be in Grantham's main library where they were having a clear out of books and CDs and I picked up Written In Red, a 1997 release, for a quid. It was in the spirit of enquiring after an old mate to see how they'd been getting on. I'd seen them live in Liverpool (about three years ago) and quite enjoyed it, but the album (on a single run through, admittedly) is pretty lame, quite boring, barely even Stranglers-lite. Anybody else familiar with any of the post-Cornwell output? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:41:52 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Reformation > and evidently Soft Cell > .. > althought i quite like the album, i cannot say that > this tour really excites me My copy still hasn't arrived so I can't comment on the LP. I like the single though, some pretty good mixes. Saw them last year and they were good as opposed to great. Played mainly old stuff with the odd newie thrown in here and there. Hilite for me was probably Say Hello... for the effect it had on the audience as much as anything. An auditorium full of people of all ages singing every damn word! I believe that the current tour will concentrate more on the new stuff, echoing the way that Wire came back with at the RFH with an 'old' set and then brought in the new stuff. Even so, I expect SC will feature more than 2-3 oldies in their set... For Almond/Soft Cell fans I've included the latest newsletter - below - re Marc's hernia and the proposed US tour... Keith MARC Marc is doing fine and recovering well from his recent operation. He's asked us to thank all those who have sent in get well messages for him. We hope to have news very soon about the rescheduled dates for the postponed UK and European tour. US TOUR We have been informed by the management in the US that tickets for all the US shows should be on sale by Monday. That said, some tickets are available now from www.ticketweb.com (New York show) or from www.ticketmaster.com (Chicago and Anaheim). Please check with the venues and ticket agencies for more information. We should, hopefully, have the confirmed venue for the Atlanta show on Monday as well. The list of dates for the US is as follows: November 20 - 9:30 Club, Washington, DC (www.930.com) November 21 - (venue tbc) Atlanta, GA November 24 - The Roxy, NY (www.roxynyc.com/) November 26 - Clutch Cargos, Pontiac, Detroit, MI (65 E Huron (248) 333-2362) November 27 - Metro, Chicago, ILL (www.metrochicago.com) November 28 - Quest, Minneapolis, MN (www.thequestclub.com) November 30 - Showbox, Seattle, WA (www.showboxonline.com) December 02 - House Of Blues, Anaheim, CA (www.hob.com/venues/clubvenues/anaheim/) December 03 - 4th & B, San Diego, CA (www.4thandb.com) December 04 - Wiltern Theatre, Los Angeles, CA (213-380-5005)(www.casenet.com/concert/wiltern.htm) December 06 - Warfield, San Francisco, CA (982 Market St.415-775-7722) RHINESTONES DELAY... The release date of the forthcoming Theatre CD 'Little Rough Rhinestones' has been put back. Unfortunately there have been several hitches in the production of the disc which, apart from making us feel like the CD is jinxed, means that we will not be receiving stock for approximately another two weeks. Firstly we found faults with the master disc, then problems with the cover proof, and finally the copyright license has been held up (what are the chances that a typo error by the copyright dept could turn one Marc Almond song into another - 'Champagne' became 'Champ'!). I know this is disappointing news for many of you, and it's just as frustrating for us when the problems are out of our hands. We're continuing to take pre-orders, and as before, all orders received before the release will be despatched as soon as stock arrives with us. Best Wishes Michelle - -------------------------------------------- Theatre of Marc Almond http://www.marcalmond.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:44:44 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Later/Interpol > Saw the much-vaunted Interpol last night in Brighton. Don't bother - Flock > of Seagulls minus tunes and basic musical competency. Never mind the tunes and the musical competency, Howard. The question we all want to ask is did they have Flock of Seagulls haircuts??? Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:39:24 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Later/Interpol In a message dated 10/20/02 9:35:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > Saw the much-vaunted Interpol last night in Brighton. Don't bother - > Flock > > of Seagulls minus tunes and basic musical competency. > > Never mind the tunes and the musical competency, Howard. The question we > all > want to ask is did they have Flock of Seagulls haircuts??? > > Keith > and from the bottom of my heart i'd like to thank you for asking that question (so you know who didn't have to)....even though i should have thought of it first...my sarcasm skills are slipping... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:43:33 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] barbican etc good 2 page article in yesterdays guardian promoting fridays happening. plenty of p;lugs for bruce and paul smith in there. the C4 film is going to be shown on 29th oct at 11.30pm apparently , should be well worth watching. as a total aside i was watching a silly show on VH1 about US one hit wonders and they featured modern english. now this was a band i bought a couple of singles by in their early swans on glass / 16 days / gathering kind of era but lost interesst , always imagined them to be a bunch of glum young lads in raincoats. anyway the "hit" in question was a horrible 80's thing called (i think) "i melt in you" that was in some brat pack movie (seemed the best place for it). but the video , oh dear. one guy was sporting this dire blond assymetrical hairdo that would have been rejected by AFOS as a little over the top. i had no idea this lot had any sort of profile at all ; were they really pop stars in the US (albeit i guess briefly?). i suppose this was quite close to the time of the fixx , and just before love and rockets........ just curious , p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:05:54 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc I recall being similarly shocked when I was splashing about at Water World in Florida in the early 90's and I Melt With You was played by the on-site DJ. Being a sad anorak I even went to ask him if it had been a hit there, I was that surprised... Even though it was really poppy, like Paul I was surprised to hear that it had been big as I just knew it from their mid 80's LP After The Snow. I always associated them with being 'glum young lads' too. I haven't heard it in a very long time, but I have to admit to liking it at the time, sorry, though I recall thinking the opening track was better. Keith > as a total aside i was watching a silly show on VH1 about US one hit wonders > and they featured modern english. now this was a band i bought a couple of > singles by in their early swans on glass / 16 days / gathering kind of era > but lost interesst , always imagined them to be a bunch of glum young lads in > raincoats. anyway the "hit" in question was a horrible 80's thing called (i > think) "i melt in you" that was in some brat pack movie (seemed the best > place for it). but the video , oh dear. one guy was sporting this dire blond > assymetrical hairdo that would have been rejected by AFOS as a little over > the top. i had no idea this lot had any sort of profile at all ; were they > really pop stars in the US (albeit i guess briefly?). i suppose this was > quite close to the time of the fixx , and just before love and > rockets........ just curious , p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:01:18 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc In a message dated 10/20/02 9:57:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: re: Were Modern English really a hit in the USA??? > I recall being similarly shocked when I was splashing about at Water World > in Florida in the early 90's and I Melt With You was played by the on-site > DJ. Being a sad anorak I even went to ask him if it had been a hit there, I > was that surprised...>>>> yes, they were....oddly enough....to this day, i swear that i hear that song at least two or three times a day on the radio in offices, take out restaurants, clothing stores, car stereos..etc....i cannot escape this damn song and i hate it... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:34:19 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ot- crispies in the u.s.a. well, here's an official announcement regarding the u.s. mini-tour. must say, i'm surprised they're making the trip for so few dates. last time i spoke with andrew (mahogany and simdisc) about it, he said the tour would probably be limited to the east coast, but it seemed like it was going to be about 6 dates. - -paul c.d. Simdisc in association with Darla Records and Les Temps Moderne are pleased to bring you : CRISPY AMBULANCE in America The first US tour by this amazing Factory Records band, with support from Mahogany. http://www.simdisc.com/crispy_tour.html http://www.crispyambulance.com/gigs2002.html Thursday 7 November Philadelpia, PA KhYber Pass 56 South 2nd Street Doors: 9pm Friday 8 November Washington, DC THIRD RAIL WMUC - 88.1fm Present A Special Live In-Studio Performance by CRISPY AMBULANCE + MAHOGANY Time : 7.30 pm Saturday 9 November Boston, MA Start! Boston @ The Paradise Rock Club 967 Commonwealth Avenue featuring Dj's: GIBBY,DAMIAN & DIRTY DAVE P http://www.startboston.com Sunday 10 November New York City Knitting Factory Main Performance Space Doors: 8:30pm http://www.knittingfactory.com There will also be a limited edition tour CD featuring remixes by Graham Massey. Brought to you by Insound. Kind Regards, bobby. simdisc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 14:08:17 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc >>as a total aside i was watching a silly show on VH1 about US one hit wonders and they featured modern english. now this was a band i bought a couple of singles by in their early swans on glass / 16 days / gathering kind of era but lost interesst , always imagined them to be a bunch of glum young lads in raincoats.<< They were the first band 4AD pushed. I think 4AD saw them as their answer to Joy Division (a reasonable move at the time). The first album (Mesh & Lace) is excellent, and the single that was released at the same time (Gathering Dust) is superb. But thereafter they tried to hitch a ride on the new romantic bandwagon and their stuff became lightweight pop (see also - Comsat Angels), which brings us to..... >> anyway the "hit" in question was a horrible 80's thing called (i think) "i melt in you" that was in some brat pack movie (seemed the best place for it). but the video , oh dear. one guy was sporting this dire blond assymetrical hairdo that would have been rejected by AFOS as a little over the top. << Was that the guitarist by any chance? He had a pretty laughable image when I saw them in 1980 at Dudley JBs. BTW if you want to see how silly they looked, go to www.newwavephotos.com. You'll also find some nice Wire pix from 79 there too..... >>i had no idea this lot had any sort of profile at all ; were they really pop stars in the US (albeit i guess briefly?). i suppose this was quite close to the time of the fixx , and just before love and rockets........ just curious , p<< The Fixx and Wang Chung were the two zero profile in the UK bands that scored massively in the US. Modern English at least had some credibility in the UK on account of being a 4AD band. The Psychedelic Furs also used the brat pack movie slot to get a US profile, of course, with Pretty in Pink. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 14:32:53 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Later/Interpol In a message dated 20/10/02 5:34:39 pm, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << > Saw the much-vaunted Interpol last night in Brighton. Don't bother - Flock > of Seagulls minus tunes and basic musical competency. Never mind the tunes and the musical competency, Howard. The question we all want to ask is did they have Flock of Seagulls haircuts??? Keith >> no, sadly not - though the bassist had a nifty dyed black flick and a Kraftwerkian red shirt/black tie combination. I dressed up like this a couple of years back as fancy dress. I was having a laugh; this guy wasn't. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:35:57 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc > re: Were Modern English really a hit in the USA??? Not only that, but Modern English tried to score a hit in the U.S. with "I Melt With You" twice. When they switched labels in 1990, they re-recorded "I Melt With You", and released it as a single with a video and everything. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:56:23 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc > Was that the guitarist by any chance? He had a pretty laughable image when > I > saw them in 1980 at Dudley JBs. /////yep , one of the guitarists. little short guy looking a bit like the AFOS berk > > BTW if you want to see how silly they looked, go to www.newwavephotos.com. > You'll also find some nice Wire pix from 79 there too..... /////and the diagram bros and uk decay. i like the cut of this mans jib. not so sure about the 36 pix of parade ground posing in a municiapl park though.......... > > > The Fixx and Wang Chung were the two zero profile in the UK bands that > scored > massively in the US. Modern English at least had some credibility in the UK > > on account of being a 4AD band. The Psychedelic Furs also used the brat > pack > movie slot to get a US profile, of course, with Pretty in Pink. /////you forget simple minds. i know i'm still trying to. and bush. i have. its a regular whinge at present why brit bands don't make it over there but looking at the bunch we've just named it hardly seems any loss. talkiing of charts i saw a promo single of fischerspooner's "the 15th" up for sale so i guess its happening. swim remix maybe? just a thought.....p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:10:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc > >> >>Was that the guitarist by any chance? He had a pretty laughable image >> when I >> saw them in 1980 at Dudley JBs. > > /////yep , one of the guitarists. little short guy looking a bit like the > AFOS berk<< The singer was called Robert Grey. True. > >> >>/////and the diagram bros and uk decay. i like the cut of this mans jib. > not so sure about the 36 pix of parade ground posing in a municiapl park > though..........<< It's great seeing what some of the more obscure bands looked like. Nice to see the Names in their overcoats and geek glasses. M. Carly was certainly prolific with the Ilford .... > >> >>/////you forget simple minds. i know i'm still trying to. and bush. i > have. its a regular whinge at present why brit bands don't make it over > there but looking at the bunch we've just named it hardly seems any loss. << > It would seem that cracking America depends not one jot on talent or originality. Either you play 300 gigs a year in Buttfuck, Montana and Six Fingers, Nebraska, or you get lucky and get a song in a Hollywood blockbuster. In order to sustain this silver screen-related success (and avoid one-hit wonder status), you have to play 300 gigs in Buttfuck, Montana etc. The result is a triumph of the honest, dull toiler (Counting Dave Ma tthews and the Blowfish etc). Groan. > >>talkiing of charts i saw a promo single of fischerspooner's "the 15th" up > for sale so i guess its happening. << Out on November 4. Perhaps a performance on Later? TOTP? >>swim remix maybe? just a thought.....p<< Wasn't Mr N muttering darkly about master tapes and EMI vaults? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:34:40 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc In a message dated 10/20/02 9:10:02 PM GMT Daylight Time, Mark Bursa writes: > The result is a triumph of the honest, dull toiler (Counting Dave Matthews > and the Blowfish etc). Groan. > > /////in a truly gruesome kazaa moment i found a dave matthews track remixed by fatboy slim. an awesome prospect , felt i'd better leave it to others as you can have too much of a good thing (so i'm told) p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:38:38 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc In a message dated 20/10/2002 22:36:03 GMT Daylight Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > /////in a truly gruesome kazaa moment i found a dave matthews track remixed > by fatboy slim. an awesome prospect Chilling.But on a tenuos link with Fatboy Slim & his home town of Brighton - anyone know yet who are supporting the lads on Nov 7th ? chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:42:19 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc > Chilling.But on a tenuos link with Fatboy Slim & his home town of Brighton - > anyone know yet who are supporting the lads on Nov 7th ? Appliance. Not heard them though. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:42:50 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc >>> /////in a truly gruesome kazaa moment i found a dave matthews track remixed > by fatboy slim. an awesome prospect << It's what the new Blur album will sound like.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:05:01 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 05:42:50PM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > >>> /////in a truly gruesome kazaa moment i found a dave matthews track > remixed > > by fatboy slim. an awesome prospect << > > It's what the new Blur album will sound like.... Much as I'm one of the official Blur Apologists on this list, it looks very much like: Mogwai: Were Right - Andrew - -- "Thinking it over, I've been sad; thinking it over, I'd be more than glad, to change my ways for the asking; ask me and I will play, all the love that I hold inside..." - Simon and Garfunkel, "Song for the Asking" adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:11:35 +0200 From: "Jan Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc > > >> >>Was that the guitarist by any chance? He had a pretty laughable image > >> when I > >> saw them in 1980 at Dudley JBs. > > > > /////yep , one of the guitarists. little short guy looking a bit like the > > AFOS berk<< > > The singer was called Robert Grey. True. > There is a link with Wire. If you take the first This Mortal Coil album Modern English are performing a track made by Colin Newman. I believe Not to. and it's a good one. The guitar player is Gary McDowell And Ivo Watts of 4AD did like Wire - output. why else two Colin Newman albums two Gilbert and Lewis releases The The produced by Gilbert&Lewis That's when 4AD went 4ad (forward) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:31:14 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc > > >>> /////in a truly gruesome kazaa moment i found a dave matthews track > > remixed by fatboy slim. an awesome prospect << > > > > It's what the new Blur album will sound like.... > > Much as I'm one of the official Blur Apologists on this list, it looks very > much like: > > Mogwai: Were Right > > - Andrew Don't be so bloody defeatist Andrew. You're probably more of a Blur fan than I am, but I'm still looking forward to hearing the new album. It might be a load of shit (though just cos FBS is on it doesn't mean it will be IMO) - we'll just have to wait and see. At least it sounds like we're gonna be hearing a different Blur once again. And I find that interesting in itself... And as for the famous Mogwai quote, I always found it rather pathetic. I like Mogwai albums a lot, but I don't need them to ram their hatred of another band down my throat. I think they're better than that. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:28:32 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 11:31:14PM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > > > >>> /////in a truly gruesome kazaa moment i found a dave matthews track > > > remixed by fatboy slim. an awesome prospect << > > > > > > It's what the new Blur album will sound like.... > > > > Much as I'm one of the official Blur Apologists on this list, it looks > very > > much like: > > > > Mogwai: Were Right > > > > - Andrew > > Don't be so bloody defeatist Andrew. You're probably more of a Blur fan than > I am, but I'm still looking forward to hearing the new album. It might be a > load of shit > (though just cos FBS is on it doesn't mean it will be IMO) - True: I even own a copy of his second album (the one with the hits on it). It's not bad: pretty good pop, all told, but it's nothing like what I like about Blur's records in the past (most of Blur's singles do very little for me, if truth be told - "Popscene", "Chemical World", "For Tomorrow", "Girls and Boys", "The Universal", "Beetlebum" being the ones I like a lot...) > we'll just have to wait and see. At least it sounds like we're gonna be > hearing a different Blur once again. And I find that interesting in > itself... > Nah, it's more because Graham Coxon *isn't* on it. Have I mentioned how much I like his playing recently? I rip him off shamelessly whenever I play... > And as for the famous Mogwai quote, I always found it rather pathetic. I > like Mogwai albums a lot, but I don't need them to ram their hatred of > another band down my throat. I think they're better than that. Mogwai are typical smart-alec Scots, really: always picking a fight they can't win. It's entirely in character, I have a bit of that streak myself... (Incidentally, though they hide it well, they went to one of the most prestigious and expensive schools in Glasgow, apparently.) Also, it was far too good a line to pass up. :) - - Andrew - -- "I have crawled so far sideways; I recognise dim traces of creation." - - Manic Street Preachers, "Die in the Summertime" ('The Holy Bible') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:04:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc/Colin Dead Can Dance On the D.C.Dance c.d the song is titled 'not me'and yes,it it by Colin but it's a totaly different 'song',I much prefer 'not to' by Colin even though I am a fan of D.C.D.Ari Jan Noorda wrote:> > >> >>Was that the guitarist by any chance? He had a pretty laughable image > >> when I > >> saw them in 1980 at Dudley JBs. > > > > /////yep , one of the guitarists. little short guy looking a bit like the > > AFOS berk<< > > The singer was called Robert Grey. True. > There is a link with Wire. If you take the first This Mortal Coil album Modern English are performing a track made by Colin Newman. I believe Not to. and it's a good one. The guitar player is Gary McDowell And Ivo Watts of 4AD did like Wire - output. why else two Colin Newman albums two Gilbert and Lewis releases The The produced by Gilbert&Lewis That's when 4AD went 4ad (forward) Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:32:10 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc > > > > It's what the new Blur album will sound like.... > > > > > > Much as I'm one of the official Blur Apologists on this list, it looks > > very much like: > > Mogwai: Were Right > (most of Blur's singles do very > little for me, if truth be told - "Popscene", "Chemical World", "For > Tomorrow", "Girls and Boys", "The Universal", "Beetlebum" being the > ones I like a lot...) more or less identical to my faves too, though I'd probably include Tender as well. > Nah, it's more because Graham Coxon *isn't* on it. He is. Apparently he recorded his bits ages ago, it's just there'll be LESS of his playing/input. BTW According to recent articles, he's had his share of problems (on the domestic/mental health front) over the past year, though he seems to have got it together enough to promote his new album. And although he did concede in one interview that he had left, there still seemed to be some question mark over it albeit on the legal side. So who knows... > > And as for the famous Mogwai quote, I always found it rather pathetic. > it was far too good a line to pass up. :) On that we are agreed ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:44:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc/Colin Dead Can Dance >>On the D.C.Dance c.d the song is titled 'not me'and yes,it it by Colin but it's a totaly different 'song',I much prefer 'not to' by Colin even though I am a fan of D.C.D.Ari<< Ari, It's on This Mortal Coil's first album, not a Dead Can Dance album. DCD people are involved in TMC, but not on the Colin cover. As Jan states the vocals are by Robert Grey, of Modern English. Various Cocteau Twins etc are also involved. Secondly, the track is Not Me - as opposed to Not To. You can find Colin's version of Not Me on the CD of A-Z. It's a demo - he never recorded a "proper" version. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:46:32 +0200 From: "Jan Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc/Colin Dead Can Dance First of all. This Mortal Coil is not Dead Can Dance. TMC was a project from Ivo Watts manager of 4AD rec. those days. Some label-artists recorded his favourite songs. Along them DeadCanDance, Wolfgang Press, Cindytalk, Colourbox, Cocteau Twins, X-Mal Deutscland, and Modern English. They were performing Tim Buckley, Mass, and also Colin Newman. I can't find the record now but I think you're right Ari it's called Not me I don' t know Colin performed this track for his own or with Wire or whatever. On the second album of This mortal Coil is a Graham Lewis/ Colin Newman song called Alone. I know this one is of course on the A-Z album by Colin Newman ps. I know Brendan Perry was influenced by Wire Pink Flag songs before he started DCD. He Knows ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:54:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc/Colin Dead Can Dance/pt.1.3 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >>On the D.C.Dance c.d the song is titled 'not me'and yes,it it by Colin but it's a totaly different 'song',I much prefer 'not to' by Colin even though I am a fan of D.C.D.Ari<< Ari, It's on This Mortal Coil's first album, not a Dead Can Dance album. DCD people are involved in TMC, but not on the Colin cover. As Jan states the vocals are by Robert Grey, of Modern English. Various Cocteau Twins etc are also involved. Secondly, the track is Not Me - as opposed to Not To. You can find Colin's version of Not Me on the CD of A-Z. It's a demo - he never recorded a "proper" version. Mark Must be getting old...I was holding the T.M Coil in my hand almost as I typed it,However,on my 4AD c.d titled .provisionally entitled singing fish/not to,(cad 108/201 cd'82)there is a track titled 'not to',in fact it's th 22nd track....and is different to 'not me' on A-Z,so we were both right .Ari Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:00:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] This ideal Colin I wrote: However,on my 4AD c.d titled .provisionally entitled singing fish/not to,(cad 108/201 cd'82)there is a track titled 'not to',in fact it's th 22nd track should have added:by Colin Newman.Ari Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:06:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc/Colin Dead Can Dance/pt.1.3 > >>However,on my 4AD c.d titled .provisionally entitled singing fish/not > to,(cad 108/201 cd'82)there is a track titled 'not to',in fact it's th 22nd > track....and is different to 'not me' on A-Z,so we were both right << > No Ari, you were completely wrong ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:28:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc/Colin Dead Can Dance/pt.1.5 - --------------------------------- Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:32:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc/Colin Dead Can Dance/pt.1.5 Ari Britt wrote: - --------------------------------- Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site Wierd.......I actualy typed a message,the message was 'How so?' re 'you're completely wrong'.......friend of mine on the shriekback fanzite also experiencing similar problems,then there was 'b'.........any-one else???Ari Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:40:17 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc/Colin Dead Can Dance on the first this mortal coil album, it'll end in tears, you've got the newman song not me performed by simon and robin of cocteau twins, manuela rickers of xmal deutschland, and robbie grey of modern english. on the second tmc album, filigree & shadow, you've got the newman song alone, written by lewis and newman, performed by simon raymonde and after looking it up just now i see two singers, caroline seaman and alison limerick. i always thought it was just alison on that one. excellent version btw! ivo and john fryer are credited with all the looping and noises and additional stuff on both albums. i never got the third one. anyone have it and/or recommend it? - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:01:58 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbican etc In a message dated 10/20/02 2:42:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > > Chilling.But on a tenuos link with Fatboy Slim & his home town of Brighton > - > > anyone know yet who are supporting the lads on Nov 7th ? > > Appliance. > > Not heard them though. > > Mark > Appliance are pretty decent....much better than the crap that is Fatboy Slim....Appliance can be very Neu/La Dusseldorf/Harmonia sounding at times... 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