From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #353 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, October 17 2002 Volume 05 : Number 353 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] off topic: Soft Cell - Cruelty Without Beauty [RLynn9@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Fw:O.T NCGV NEWS:Thomas Friedman Column on Sniper [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] on top of the world.... ["Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper paul p commented >>It's been a couple of years since I bought them, and my tastes change all the time. Which is exactly why I don't join in the all time top 10 nonsense... It would have to be 'all-time top ten *this week*' next week or even tomorrow or even in a minute it would be different... no offense to anyone intended later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:17:19 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 09:57:11AM +0100, Alistair Tear wrote: > paul p commented > > >>It's been > a couple of years since I bought them, and my tastes change all the > time. > > Which is exactly why I don't join in > the all time top 10 nonsense... > It would have to be 'all-time top ten *this week*' > next week or even tomorrow or even in a minute > it would be different... > > no offense to anyone intended > None taken, and I agree, actually. I'm just a sucker for making lists: Nick Hornby was probably right in "High Fidelity". What music I want to listen to is so intimately tied to my mood, for want of a better phrase, that any list is going to miss some things off which I just, in a way, can't consider at that time. - - Andrew (np: "My Father, My King" - Mogwai) - -- "And you see, I kind of shivered to conformity, Did you see the way I cowered to authority?" - Mansun, "Six" ('Six') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:16:52 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper All true and I'm not a big fan of lists myself, but on the other hand there ARE some bands/albums that stuck to me no matter what mood and I guess these are the ones that get nominated. Easy to make a list of 10 albums that really are "above" moods or years, as personal classics. I wouldn't include too recent outlets myself because of this... a really good album has to stand some time-testing. Bart >> Which is exactly why I don't join in >> the all time top 10 nonsense... >> It would have to be 'all-time top ten *this week*' >> next week or even tomorrow or even in a minute >> it would be different... >> >> no offense to anyone intended >> > > None taken, and I agree, actually. I'm just a sucker for making lists: > Nick Hornby was probably right in "High Fidelity". What music I > want to listen to is so intimately tied to my mood, for want of a > better phrase, that any list is going to miss some things off which I just, > in a way, can't consider at that time. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:35:24 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper Alistair wrote... >>It would have to be 'all-time top ten *this week*' next week or even tomorrow or even in a minute it would be different...<< I have that problem to some extent, though the top 6 seems to have coalesced as follows.... Wire - 154 Joy Division - Unknown pleasures The Velvet Underground & Nico Television - Marquee Moon Magazine - Secondhand Daylight Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance After that there are probably 30 albums that could fill the remaining four slots, depending on my mood... Sgt Pepper isn't one of them, but Revolver is, BTW.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:22:49 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] the Everyday Happenings of Weebl & Sometimes Weebl's Friend Bob http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/art.htm Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:56:44 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] the Everyday Happenings of Weebl & Sometimes Weebl's Friend Bob On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 03:22:49PM +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/art.htm > Almost, but not quite, as silly as http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/ (warning: contains Led Zep). This is at least the fourth vector the Weebl and Bob meme has got to me by, incidentally. :) - - Andrew (np: REM - "Document", now reading the Siesta 1.2 Users Manual (http://www.uam.es/siesta/)) - -- "And when the cold war's over, the springtime thaw will flower; And when the siren's singing, We'll sense a new beginning ... - - Super Furry Animals, "She's Got Spies" ('Radiator') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:21:17 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT] the Everyday Happenings of Weebl & Sometimes Weebl's Friend Bob Nice one Andrew 'n' Bart... I always quite liked the *sound* of the Immigrant song never realised quite how cringe-making the lyrics were though... viking kittens rule (the waves) A 'If I was Brittania I'd waive the rules' julian cope > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Walkingshaw [mailto:andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk] > Sent: 16 October 2002 14:57 > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] the Everyday Happenings of Weebl & > Sometimes Weebl's Friend Bob > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 03:22:49PM +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > > http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/art.htm > > > > Almost, but not quite, as silly as http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/ > (warning: contains Led Zep). > > This is at least the fourth vector the Weebl and Bob meme has got to > me by, incidentally. :) > > - Andrew (np: REM - "Document", now reading the Siesta 1.2 > Users Manual > (http://www.uam.es/siesta/)) > > -- > "And when the cold war's over, the springtime thaw will flower; > And when the siren's singing, We'll sense a new beginning ... > - Super Furry Animals, "She's Got Spies" ('Radiator') > adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Excellent stuff, especially the following. http://www.rathergood.com/touretteaphone/ http://www.rathergood.com/swearotron.html Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:08:34 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:38:31 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Being for the benefit of Sgt. Pepper. > The new CD remasters of the Clash's 1st LP (US or UK) sound pretty > good, though! (^_^) (Or - was that the edition you were referring to?) No. The original vinyl copy, but that's just a personal moan of mine! Sorry... > Okay - I admit it. I'm a huge fan of psychedelia. The Beatles > "Magical Mystery Tour" album used to get a lot of play on my turntable, > too. I used to play songs like "Blue Jay Way", "I am the walrus", and > "Strawberry Fields Forever" over and over. Now you're talking. I love Walrus and Strawberry (hmmm sounds like a veggies nightmare meal!). I probably prefer Revolver to Sgt P too - heard Taxman on the radio the other night and (moaning lyrics aside!), it sounded great. But if I had to pick a fave Beatles LP - at the risk of being contrary - I'd probably go with Rubber Soul, though I'd like it even more if bloody Michelle wasn't on. I hate that and Yesterday. Shite IMO! > Maybe all that exposure to "psychedelic" sounds during my youth was why > I was such a huge "shoe-gazer" fan later on..... (^_-) Fave shoe-gazing record? Pearl by Chapterhouse! (Unless of course we're counting MBV as shoegazing?) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:38:16 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Being for the benefit of Sgt. Pepper. In a message dated 10/16/02 12:31:07 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << Fave shoe-gazing record? Pearl by Chapterhouse! (Unless of course we're counting MBV as shoegazing?) Keith >> i also think that is one of the best, just behind Slowdive's "Souvlaki" and My Bloody Valentine's "Loveless"....one of my favorite "shoegazer" era songs has to be "One Way to Go" by the Verve from the "All in the Mind" single.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:38:35 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Cool sale items from Soleilmoon 3. Soleilmoon Sale Items 00796 TUXEDOMOON Joeboy in Mexico CD 7.00 00838 VARIOUS ARTISTS Invisible Soundtracks: Macro 1 CD 11.99 00883 VARIOUS ARTISTS Off the Map CD 10.99 00944 VARIOUS ARTISTS Four Years in 30 Seconds CD 9.99 01258 VOMIT LUNCHS 3 inch CD 8.99 01330 VARIOUS ARTISTS Wreck This Mess - Remission 1 CD 9.99 01476 WIRE Turns and Strokes CD 8.99 01477 WIRE Coatings CD 8.99 01578 VARIOUS ARTISTS Wire - Whore CD 7.99 01788 VARIOUS ARTISTS Thirteen CD 9.99 01805 TOOP, DAVID Hot Pants Idol CD 11.99 01833 VARIOUS ARTISTS Moonlanding Vol. 2 7 inch 2.99 01843 THU20 Elfde Uni CD 11.00 01883 YOKOTA, SUSUMU Image 1983-1998 CD 11.99 01985 VARIOUS ARTISTS Sub Rosa vs. Kompakt CD 12.99 01987 VARIOUS ARTISTS Sub Rosa vs. Kompakt 2xLP 13.99 02019 VARIOUS ARTISTS Your Daily Buzz CD 7.99 02058 VARIOUS ARTISTS Flatline Compilation 2 2xCD 9.99 02128 VARIOUS ARTISTS Iberica Electronica CD 9.99 02157 VARIOUS ARTISTS Coalescence CD 6.00 02171 VARIOUS ARTISTS Substancia 2 CD 7.00 02176 VARIOUS ARTISTS On the Brink of Infinity CD 19.99 02248 VARIOUS ARTISTS Wreck This Mess: Remission 2 CD 9.99 02267 VARIOUS ARTISTS Narratives CD 8.99 02394 UNTO ASHES Moon Oppose Moon CD 10.99 03215 VARIOUS ARTISTS Lytch CD 6.99 03265 VARIOUS ARTISTS Invisible Soundtracks: Macro 3 CD 13.99 03270 VARIOUS ARTISTS Economi$ed CD 7.99 03271 UNQUIET VOID, THE Between the Twilights CD 10.99 03287 VARIOUS ARTISTS Sonar 2000 4 x CD 21.99 03389 VARIOUS ARTISTS Copier.Coller 2xCD 13.99 03398 VARIOUS ARTISTS Butoh CD 9.99 03401 VANCE ORCHESTRA No More Boleros CD-R 9.00 03446 VARIOUS ARTISTS Hi-Fidelity Lounge: Volume Two CD 8.99 03453 VARIOUS ARTISTS The Way Out Sound Back Catalog Of Singles CD 9.99 03465 VARIOUS ARTISTS Emre (Dark Matter) CD 13.99 03484 VEDISNI Architects and Murderers CD 8.00 03630 PHIL VON & THE GNAWA MUSICIANS OF FES L'ature Nuit CD 9.99 03648 THREAD Abnormal Love CD $10.00 03690 TROUM Tjukurrpa (Part One: Harmonies) CD 10.00 03699 VARIOUS ARTISTS Medical Milestones CD 8.99 03758 VARIOUS ARTISTS The Golden Age Of Darkness CD 10.00 03778 VARIOUS ARTISTS Where Stalks The Sandman CD 10.99 03783 VARIOUS ARTISTS Document 03 - Diffuse CD 8.99 03799 VARIOUS ARTISTS Index 01 CD 5.99 03880 Z.E.L.L.E Nth CD 9.99 03965 ZAMMUTO Solutiore of Stareau: Disc One CD 9.99 03997 UNIT Most Of Me Just Thinks It's Because You're Heartless CD-R 6.00 04003 WAND, MATT 1 1/2 Volt Music 3 inch CD 4.99 04004 UNGU, OBENG & JALAN BUNTU (WITH GROUP UANG WAYANG OF PALEMBANG) 1951: Sumatran Ladies Wearing Hats As Outlawed By Government 3 inch CD 5.00 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:53:10 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper > b Fave Colin Newman track? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:43:21 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] lists and lists (was: being for the benefit of sgt pepper) In a message dated 10/16/02 8:36:28 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >Alistair wrote... > >>>It would have to be 'all-time top ten *this week*' >next week or even tomorrow or even in a minute >it would be different...<< > >I have that problem to some extent, though the top 6 seems to have coalesced > >as follows.... > >Wire - 154 >Joy Division - Unknown pleasures i just have fun coming up with lists. i can't imagine the two above titles ever not being in my top 5 of all time. but it really does change with mood. i didn't include any coltrane (or any jazz albums for that matter) on my list, but i certainly could at some other time. the whole "list" thing was probably the most appealing thing about high fidelity, a movie i liked enough to own btw...of course it didn't hurt that it was on sale for like 7 bucks. so how about a top ten (or any number) list of "best buys" ever?! ya know, finding great stuff really cheap...especially when it's something you never heard but tried because of the great price, or when it's something you thought you'd never ever find anywhere for less than an arm and a leg and it turns up in the bargain bin somewhere! i'll start with one obvious one, but i'll have to think about the rest: an lp by a band i heard about but hadn't really heard (as far as i knew), in pristine condition, found at a flea market for $1.99 in 1980...chairs missing :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:46:02 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: [idealcopy] faust- DAMNATION!! usa can you help???? hello idealcopiers...... ANY OF THE usa... contingent based around San FRANCISCO????? I know this is a very long shot..... but are any of you SF. wire-fans into FAUST- German krautrock band from way back...... BACK IN around October 1999 ... a 2hour Faust -special was broadcast.. on fm. KUSF - SPOTLIGHT PROGRAMME ....2-4pm..... did anyone make a tape recording of this show!!!!!????? i know its a time ago..... but just had to ask... and put the feelers out... bye for now cheers David in Cornwall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:59:40 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] Must be a Wir virus Sorry about that one post folks. I have been having trouble with email where only the first letter of the message is sent. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:56:12 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] off topic: Soft Cell - Cruelty Without Beauty I don't care what anyone says....the Soft Cell reunion album is quite enjoyable....after flooding my senses lately with huge amounts of abstraction in the forms of 60's and 70's electronic tones, musique concrete and tape music, as well as Moog,Trautonium and Buchla Box Synthesizer pieces on through to Electronica/Techno/Lap Top and Glitch-works, it's a nice change of pace to listen to good old-fashioned (and well crafted) synth-pop...Dave Ball's sense of melody and composition fits Almond's voice nicely as always but enhanced with a few modern keyboards and studio productions...Ball's time in the Grid has served him well..i can hear definite clubland hits here..especially after a few good remixes..lyrically,all of Marc Almond's pre-occupations/obsessions are alive and well, but tempered by the onset of middle-age....yes, of course this might be the recipe for utter shite in lesser hands...not here....in my own little way i feel like i have grown up/stayed "immature"/grown older with Soft Cell...glad they're back Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:57:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: RE: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper or not to b Eric Klaver wrote:b Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:04:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Must be a Wir virus Eric Klaver wrote: Sorry about that one post folks. I have been having trouble with email where only the first letter of the message is sent. Eric in Toronto Bet you tell that all the guys....Ari Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fw:O.T NCGV NEWS:Thomas Friedman Column on Sniper FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000;Subject: NCGV NEWS:Thomas Friedman Column on Sniper - --------------------------------- - --------------------------------- October 13, 2002Wars of NervesNCGV NEWS: OCT. 13 COLUMN IN THE NY TIMES By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN iving in Montgomery County, Md., these days with a sniper on the loose is an unnerving experience. We've all gotten to know our police chief, Charles Moose, through his news conferences during the past two weeks of random shootings. We've also gotten to know our pizza deliveryman better. Last Monday night my wife ordered pizza from the California Pizza Kitchen. When the deliveryman arrived, I was in the living room watching President Bush address the nation about Iraq. As my wife paid the pizza guy, she remarked to him that the pizza smelled great, "but I don't think my husband will get up because he's watching the news conference." "Oh," the deliveryman said, "has there been another shooting?" No, no, no, my wife explained, my husband is watching the president speak about Iraq. But who can blame the deliveryman for assuming that I must be watching a news conference about the shooter. If you had to drive around here at night, standing on people's doorsteps with your back to the street, all you'd be worried about would be the shooter, too. But he's hardly alone. There is something about these shootings that is touching deeper nerves in us all. The fact that the president speaks only about Iraq, while his neighbors down the street speak only about the shooter, reinforces the sense that this administration is so obsessed with Saddam it has lost touch with the real anxieties of many Americans. Mr. Bush wants to rally the nation to impose gun control on Baghdad, but he won't lift a finger to impose gun control on Bethesda, six miles from the White House. Personally, I'm glad Mr. Bush is focused on disarming Iraq's madman and tracing Iraq's Scud missiles and weapons of mass destruction. It's a worthy project. I just wish he were equally focused on disarming America's madmen, and supporting laws that would make it easier to trace their .223-caliber bullets and their weapons of individual destruction. A lot of us would like to see more weapons inspectors on the streets here, and in the gun shops here, not just in Baghdad. What's also frightening about this shooter, with his high-powered rifle, is that he could be the first real domestic copycat of 9/11, in terms of technique. That is, this shooter doesn't seem to be a serial killer with a political agenda or the perverse lust to look into the eyes of his victims before he snuffs out their lives. No, like Osama bin Laden, this shooter seems to get his thrills from seeing the fear in the eyes of the survivors  after he randomly kills his victims as if they were deer. And like bin Laden, this shooter is a loser who combines evil, cunning, technical prowess, a world stage and a willingness to kill everyday people doing everyday things to magnify that fear. By gunning down people pumping gas, mowing lawns and walking to school, the shooter is making America's capital area squirm. That's power. No wonder the note he apparently left said, "I am God." And no wonder the Bethesda Gazette, which normally covers school board meetings, carried a big headline that I never thought I'd see in my local paper. It said, "In the Grip of Terror," and the article included little bios of all the people killed. It could have been The New York Times on 9/12: "A County Challenged." Finally, whether or not this shooter is a twisted copycat, he is part of a larger post-9/11 trend. That trend is the steady erosion of our sense of security, our sense that while the world may be crazy, we can always crawl into our American cocoon, our sense that "over here" we are safe, even if "over there" dragons live. Well, "over here" is starting to feel like "over there" way too much. Over there, they just shot up U.S. marines guarding Kuwaiti oil fields, but over here, when I filled my car with gas the other day, I ducked behind a pillar so no drive-by sniper could see me; others hide in their back seats. Over there, Saddam terrorizes his people, but over here, my kids are now experts in the fine distinctions between Code Blue and Code Red. Code Blue means they're locked in their public school building because a potential shooter is in the area, and Code Red means they are locked in their classroom because there may be a gunman in the building. Frankly, I don't want to hear another word about Iraq right now. I want to hear that my president and my Congress are taking the real steps needed in this country  starting with sane gun control and sane economic policy  to stop this slide into over here becoming like over there. Copyright The New York Times Company | Permissions | Privacy Policy ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:22:35 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] on top of the world.... Apologies to non-football fans here but I've got to announce this to the world.... Wales 2 Italy 1 let me just repeat that - little tiny Wales 2, footballing GIANT nation (with ref on their side) 1 hahahahaha. Feel great! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:28:16 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] The Rap Robert Lloyd As there's a few Nightingales fans here, I thought they might have a view on this message I received today re. fave singles of the year... > >But, perhaps my recent favourite is the new one by The Streets. > > Now I have liked most things by him - WEAK BECOME HEROES is particularly > > excellent - and I kinda like the way his music is so minimalist and the > > deadpan rapping, so irritatingly compelling. After hearing his new one a > > few times, it struck me that another reason I liked this stuff is that the > > bassline is pure circa-82 Nightingales. Mike Skinner as the rap-Robert > > Lloyd? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:30:37 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper In a message dated 16/10/2002 20:57:51 GMT Daylight Time, luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: > or not to b > The First Letter (well second really I suppose) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:48:36 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 05:30:37PM -0400, CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 16/10/2002 20:57:51 GMT Daylight Time, luvjazzz@yahoo.com > writes: > > > > or not to b > > > > The First Letter (well second really I suppose) > Chris Or, possibly, a thread full of indirect inquiries? - - Andrew - -- "Hey, wait, I've got a real complaint; forever in debt to your priceless advice." - Nirvana, "Heart-Shaped Box" ('In Utero') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:55:39 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re:Mon-nehhh (dum, dum, dum-de-da da) In a message dated 16/10/02 9:31:31 am, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << > >>I have always despised that song....it doesn't belong on the album...it > ruins > the mood ...RL<< > > Couldn't agree more. Always reminds me of the theme to Are you being > served?... > > Mark >> And your problem with that, Mark, is...? I've always thought that track was one of the few decent things Pink Void ever managed. Just picked up Band of Susans' Here Comes Success and Bruce's Music for Fruit for a fiver each at Rounder records in Brighton. He Said Take Care and In Esse going for the same price. Am I right in thinking that the extra track on the former (Suzanne) is worth taking a swerve on? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:24:31 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] off topic: Soft Cell - Cruelty Without Beauty > I don't care what anyone says....the Soft Cell reunion album is quite > enjoyable.... Got pretty good reviews over here Robert. Haven't heard it yet, but liked the single. >glad they're back Me too. Looking forward to hearing it... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:15:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Mon-nehhh (dum, dum, dum-de-da da) > >>And your problem with that, Mark, is...?<< Erm.. er..nothing. Honest.. I suppose Mrs Slocombe's pink rinse could somehow be seen as appropriate. One of the great tragedies of British TV comedy is that the only shows exported to the US in the 70s and 80s were AYBS and Benny Hill. Gives American folk a misplaced view of our sense of humour... > >>I've always thought that track was one of the few decent things Pink Void > ever managed.<< I guess I despised them at the time - another bunch of bloated proggers. (unlike some recent postings, I wasn't buying punk singles and prog albums in 77. I couldn't have afforded the prog albums even if I'd wanted 'em. Which I didn't...). Over time I've warmed to ver Floyd - it helped that there was the Syd stuff as a way in - and a lot of their output stands up pretty well (up to Wish you were here - after that it's almost universally shite). But 'Money' is just the irritating track in the middle of a pretty good album. See also Stairway to fucking heaven. > >>Just picked up Band of Susans' Here Comes Success and Bruce's Music for > Fruit for a fiver each at Rounder records in Brighton. << Good albums, bith of those. Possibly my favourite BoS album. >> He Said Take Care and In > Esse going for the same price.<< I'd guess you wouldn't play In Esse more than once... though there are some who take to it. > >>Am I right in thinking that the extra track on the former (Suzanne) is > worth > taking a swerve on?<< It's a pretty straight cover of the Leonard Cohen song. IMO the single worst release by a member of Wire. Worse than 'Mary is a Dyke'. Worse than George Gill's Bears. Worse, even, than the Snakes. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:18:44 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Mon-nehhh (dum, dum, dum-de-da da) On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:15:07PM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > >>And your problem with that, Mark, is...?<< > > Erm.. er..nothing. Honest.. I suppose Mrs Slocombe's pink rinse could somehow > be seen as appropriate. > > One of the great tragedies of British TV comedy is that the only shows > exported to the US in the 70s and 80s were AYBS and Benny Hill. Gives > American folk a misplaced view of our sense of humour... I guess "Yes, Minister" (series 1 DVD is out and cheap :) ) wouldn't have travelled well - but it might be the funniest thing the BBC ever brought out... - - Andrew - -- "A song is a beautiful lie, a song is a beautiful lie!" - Idlewild, "Self Healer" ('Captain' EP) adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:34:47 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Mon-nehhh (dum, dum, dum-de-da da) > Worse than 'Mary is a Dyke'. What's wrong with 'Mary is a Dyke'??? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:11:48 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Being for the benefit of Sgt. Pepper. That Van der Graaf album would have been The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome n'est ce pas? Another classic (and held up better than Talking Heads 77 IMO). Bought The Modern Dance and Physical Graffiti on the same day if memory serves (and spookily both The Modern Dance and.Zep have been mentioned in posts today) another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: > I was doing the same thing.At that crossover point when I was 17.Talking > Heads 77 in the same bag as a Van Der Graaf LP. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:26:07 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper I've made lists since I was 9 or 10 (I recall lists of my top singles in 1967 which had the Troggs 'Wild Thing' at number one for weeks, although I was also inordinately fond of The Bachelors saccharine version of The Sound of Silence at the same time) and it's something I have to do on a regular basis. I have no control over it at all; it would be like chopping off a limb to stop. So, I have only been able to resist posting my top ten list for so long. Sorry. 1 Rock Bottom - Robert Wyatt 2 Chameleon in the Shadow of the Night - Peter Hammill 3 The Hissing of Summer Lawns - Joni Mitchell 4 The Ramones 5 Pawn Hearts - Van der Graaf Generator 6 Slanted and Enchanted - Pavement 7 The Clash 8 Climate of Hunter - Scott Walker 9 The Faust Tapes - Faust 10 Agaertis Byrjun - Sigur Ros Only the top three of those are solid at present. And, no, there's no Wire - both Pink Flag and 154 would be in the next ten along with more Hammill / VdGG than is mathematically possible, Trout Mask, Horses, VU & Nico, a Fall album, blah, blah, blah. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper > Alistair wrote... > > >>It would have to be 'all-time top ten *this week*' > next week or even tomorrow or even in a minute > it would be different...<< > > I have that problem to some extent, though the top 6 seems to have coalesced > as follows.... > > Wire - 154 > Joy Division - Unknown pleasures > The Velvet Underground & Nico > Television - Marquee Moon > Magazine - Secondhand Daylight > Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance > > After that there are probably 30 albums that could fill the remaining four > slots, depending on my mood... > > Sgt Pepper isn't one of them, but Revolver is, BTW.... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:44:27 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Mon-nehhh (dum, dum, dum-de-da da) In a message dated 10/16/02 3:16:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > One of the great tragedies of British TV comedy is that the only shows > exported to the US in the 70s and 80s were AYBS and Benny Hill. Gives > American folk a misplaced view of our sense of humour... > > Don't forget Monty Python's Flying Circus !!!!!! as youngster (and more so after seeing the show as an adult) i reckoned you Brits were a hilarious bunch... RL n.p. Ultra Nate "Free" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:46:03 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Mon-nehhh (dum, dum, dum-de-da da) In a message dated 10/16/02 3:26:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > What's wrong with 'Mary is a Dyke'??? > yeah, i knew a dyke named Mary and she loves that song! RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:03:19 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper another the keith... > I've made lists since I was 9 or 10 (I recall lists of my top singles in > 1967 which had the Troggs 'Wild Thing' at number one for weeks...(snip) > it's something I have to do on a regular basis. I have no control over it at all; > it would be like chopping off a limb to stop. I know the feeling, though I suspect it's not just a Keith thing ; ) > So, I have only been able to resist posting my top ten list for so long. > Sorry. You took the words out of my mouth. So here's mine too... 1. Electric Warrior - T.Rex (1971) 2. Funhouse - The Stooges (1970) 3. Bryter Layter - Nick Drake (1970) 4. Kilimanjaro - The Teardrop Explodes (1980) 5. The Slider - T.Rex (1972) 6. Dusty In Memphis - Dusty Springfield (1968) 7. Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys (1966) 8. The Only Ones - The Only Ones (1978) 9. The For Carnation - The For Carnation (2000) 10. Marquee Moon - Television (1977) Only one record from the last 20 years. Yeah, I know it's pathetic... No Wire in my top 10 either, but Chairs Missing and A Bell is a Cup are among those just outside the top, along with... Can Delay 1968, The Doors, Two Sevens Clash - Culture, Closer - Joy Division, Let Love In - Nick Cave, Damned Damned Damned, VU & Nico, Scientist Rids the World of the Evil Curse of Vampires, more Bolan, Cope and the Ig... and one album from the last 10 years that I'm not telling cos you'll only take the piss!, and.... Stop! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:39:13 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] faust- DAMNATION!! usa can you help???? speaking of faust... the 2 faust concerts cds (table of the elements) are up on ebay right now. opening bid of $24.99, and reasonable shipping too. - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:50:30 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper In a message dated 10/16/02 6:54:58 PM, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: >9. The For Carnation - The For Carnation (2000) > > >Only one record from the last 20 years. Yeah, I know it's pathetic... and what is this?!? i don't think i've ever heard of it. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] faust- DAMNATION!! usa can you help???? FYI- I'm fairly close to where KUSF is and hwrote to them today about the interview. I'll post any response I get. PS - Bart - Since you've had so little to do lately... don't you have some CD's you should be working on.... taps foot... :) ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of sgt pepper - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > b > > Fave Colin Newman track? s-s-s-star eyes but no i am the jury and it's lorries Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #353 *******************************