From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #352 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, October 16 2002 Volume 05 : Number 352 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: Brighton gig venue [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] [idealcopy] being for the benefit of Paul [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] OT: PF DSOTM ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: PF DSOTM ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] [idealcopy] [OT] The Fall [Andrew Walkingshaw ] [idealcopy] Last Splash Support ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: PF DSOTM ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: AYBS [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: PF DSOTM [rayographique ] [idealcopy] V.U vs V.U [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Fwd:O.T The excellent Robert Fisk on Iraq War [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Being for the benefit of Sgt. Pepper. ["Keith Astbu] [idealcopy] Death In Vegas/Electrelane ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Last Splash Support [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Death In Vegas/Electrelane [S=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=bastien] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 04:58:44 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Brighton gig venue Just in case anyone else was labouring under a similar misapprehension to me, the man on the spot... The Concorde II is quite a way out of central Brighton, towards Kemptown in the East, on Madiera Drive (that's the lower of the two sea roads). About level with Eaton Place, apparently. So those who mentioned its distance from the station were quite right. Would take a good 45 minutes to walk it - the bus number used to be 7 but I'll check that. I mention this because the old Concorde was on the seafront opposite the pier. I had assumed the new one was on the same site, but not so. Apologies if I misled anyone in a previous post. A possible pre gig meeting place would be the Hanbury arms, on St George's Road, venue of the laptop gig I mentioned in my last post. Dosen't do real beer though. Howard (CAMRA member) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] being for the benefit of Paul Paul wrote Hmm - never could get past the production on that record. The songs and performances are great, and it's definitely a classic, but the "tin-can" sound still bugs me. I wish they'd recorded that record in a better studio - you didn't have to be the Beatles to get good sound in the 60's. (^_^) Cheers, Paul 'tis true there a 'thin' sound to the early c.d releases,this has more to do with the fact that many of the early c.d were 'put down' from tapes that were mixed for the L.P medium and,as any sound engineer will tell you,the mix for L.P when applied to the c.d format will always sound tinny,I do have the boxed,remixed collection(outtakes and all)that was remixed for c.d,I shall listen to both versions tonite and let you know my conclusion.Ari Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:01:15 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: PF DSOTM Help me please with a bit of useless trivia! For those who have the LP of Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon - where does side A end and side B start? Specifically, which side is Money on? Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:59:12 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: PF DSOTM > Help me please with a bit of useless trivia! For those who have the LP of > Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon - where does side A end and side B start? > Specifically, which side is Money on? > Let's see.... Money is the first track on side 2. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:09:40 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] The Fall I remember the infinitely long Fall thread from earlier this year, so I'd thought I'd ask... "This Nation's Saving Grace" for a fiver. Worth getting? - - Andrew (np: Delgados - "Peloton") - -- "When I drive alone at night, I see the streetlights as fairgrounds, And I tried a hundred times, to see the road-signs as day-glo..." - - Mogwai, "Cody" ('Come On, Die Young') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:10:42 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: PF DSOTM In a message dated 10/15/02 12:01:14 PM Central Daylight Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: << > Help me please with a bit of useless trivia! For those who have the LP of > Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon - where does side A end and side B start? > Specifically, which side is Money on? > Let's see.... Money is the first track on side 2. (^_^) Cheers, Paul >> I have always despised that song....it doesn't belong on the album...it ruins the mood ...RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:11:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] The Fall > >>I remember the infinitely long Fall thread from earlier this year, so I'd > thought I'd ask... > > "This Nation's Saving Grace" for a fiver. Worth getting?<< > Undoubtedly. The best of the Brix-era albums*, and the last really good > album until Extricate and Shift-Work. Mark *I don't count Perverted By Language as Brix-era. She only plays on one track. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:12:12 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: PF DSOTM > >>I have always despised that song....it doesn't belong on the album...it > ruins > the mood ...RL<< > > Couldn't agree more. Always reminds me of the theme to Are you being > served?... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:50:58 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] ExITS Peel Session Tonight (Tuesday) 10pm Radio One Explosions in the Sky are in session If you're in and have a radio, you'd be silly to miss it. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine A very corny cliched lyric: Baby baby baby baby come back to me (The Fall - Return) NP Husker Du - Zen Arcade ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:43:56 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Last Splash Support Paul R >>> then learnt that they were the tour support on the breeders' last splash tour. shit shit shit , another bum call. I saw the Breeders several times on that tour and support bands were Urge Overkill & Luscious Jackson. Maybe Ultra Vivid Scene played with them on another, probably earlier, tour? I have Kult Ralske's Amor CD on Sub Rosa which is OK for a couple of quid; calm ambient processed drone guitarscapes, with no 'noodling' going on whatsoever. Not essential, but quite pleasant to drift away to. Still, I'd hardly call UVS essential either, even though I quite liked their first album. But Sub Rosa is a Belgian label, so wouldn't it be just the funniest thing ever to waste everyone's time by writing something derogatory about Belgians at this point? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine An extremely cringe-worthy lyric: She's the queen of the streets What a piece of meat (The Stranglers - Princess of the Streets) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:05:17 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: PF DSOTM > > >>I have always despised that song....it doesn't belong on the album...it > > ruins > > the mood ...RL<< > > > > Couldn't agree more. Always reminds me of the theme to Are you being > > served?... > > > > Mark Funnily enough there's a Fall track that reminds me of the Are You Being Served theme. Basically the same 'riff', but I can't for the life of me think what it is at the moment... Over to you Mark? Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:02:12 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Wire stuff for sale Soleilmoon records has a couple of Wire things for sale if any of you might need them: 01476 WIRE Turns and Strokes CD 8.99 01477 WIRE Coatings CD 8.99 01578 VARIOUS ARTISTS Wire - Whore CD 7.99 RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] The Fall - --- Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: ... > "This Nation's Saving Grace" for a fiver. Worth > getting? ... in a word, yes Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:20:30 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: AYBS ... > Funnily enough there's a Fall track that reminds me > of the Are You Being > Served theme. Basically the same 'riff', but I can't > for the life of me > think what it is at the moment... I think of AYBS as the British Simpsons. A knowledge worth knowing is there... NOT Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: PF DSOTM - --- Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > Specifically, which side is Money on? > Let's see.... > > > > Money is the first track on side 2. The truly scary thing is that I didn't have to pull out the vinyl. I have terrible memouries of a programmable turntable playing that track over and over an over over and out r)(0)(m Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:52:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] V.U vs V.U O.K youz guyz ze verdict iz in,just played both versions of V.U and Nico,there is absolutely no doubt that the 'digitaly remixed' version from the boxed set is superior both in quality of sound and solidity of image,i played them 'side by side(i have two dvd players) so i could switch from one to 'tother,and the remix won hands down,just to make sure it wasn't the difference in player quality I redid the test swopping players and the boxed set one sounded better even in the cheaper of the two players. Lou's voice was much more 'up front' and strong,instrumentation was 'heavier' and more distinct,if you'd like me to burn you a copy Paul let me know.......Ari Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:17:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd:O.T The excellent Robert Fisk on Iraq War Subject: Fwd:The excellent Robert Fisk on Iraq War My friend Dick Walker sent this to me. Published on Wednesday, October 9, 2002 by the lndependent/UK What the US President Wants Us To Forget by Robert Fisk Each day now, someone says something even more incredible - even more unimaginable - about President Bush's obsession with war. Yesterday, George Bush was himself telling an audience in Cincinnati about "nuclear holy warriors". Forget for a moment that we still can't prove Saddam Hussein has nuclear weapons. Forget that the latest Bush speech was just a re-hash of all the "ifs" and "mays" and "coulds" in Tony Blair's flimsy 16 pages of allegations in his historically dishonest "dossier". Forget that if Osama bin Laden ever acquired a nuclear weapon, he'd probably use it first on Saddam. No. We've got to fight "nuclear holy warriors". That's what we have to do to justify the whole charade through which we are being taken now by the White House, by Downing Street, by all the decaying "experts" on terrorism and, alas, far too many journalists. Forget the 14 Palestinians, including the 12-year-old child, killed by Israel a few hours before Mr Bush spoke, forget that when his aircraft killed nine Palestinian children in July, along with one militant, the Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon - a "man of peace" in Mr Bush's words - described the slaughter as "a great success". Israel is on our side. Remember to use the word "terror". Use it about Saddam Hussein, use it about Osama bin Laden, use it about Yasser Arafat, use it about anyone who opposes Israel or America. Bush used it in his speech yesterday, 30 times in half an hour - that's one "terrorism" a minute. But now let's list exactly what we really must forget if we are to support this madness. Most important of all, we absolutely must forget that President Ronald Reagan dispatched a special envoy to meet Saddam Hussein in December 1983. It's essential to forget this for three reasons. Firstly, because the awful Saddam was already using gas against the Iranians - which is one of the reasons we are now supposed to go to war with him. Secondly, because the envoy was sent to Iraq to arrange the re-opening of the US embassy - in order to secure better trade and economic relations with the Butcher of Baghdad. Thirdly, because the envoy was - wait for it - Donald Rumsfeld. Now you might think it strange that Mr Rumsfeld, in the course of one of his folksy press conferences, hasn't chatted to us about this interesting tit-bit. You might think he would have wished to enlighten us about the evil nature of the criminal with whom he so warmly shook hands. But no. Strangely, Mr Rumsfeld is silent about this. As he is about his subsequent and equally friendly meeting with Tariq Aziz - which just happened to take place on the day in March, 1984, that the UN released its damning report on Saddam's use of poison gas against Iran. The American media are silent about this too, of course. Because we must forget. We must forget, too, that in 1988, as Saddam destroyed the people of Halabja with gas, along with tens of thousands of other Kurds - when he "used gas against his own people" in the words of Messrs Bush/Cheney/Blair/Cook/Straw et al - President Bush senior provided him with $500m in US government subsidies to buy American farm products. We must forget that in the following year, after Saddam's genocide was complete, President Bush senior doubled this subsidy to $1bn, along with germ seed for anthrax, helicopters, and the notorious "dual-use" material that could be used for chemical and biological weapons. And when President Bush junior promises the Iraqi people "an era of new hope" and democracy after the destruction of Saddam - as he did last night - we must forget how the Americans promised Pakistan and Afghanistan a new era of hope after the defeat of the Soviet army in 1980 - and did nothing. We must forget how President Bush senior urged the Iraqis to rise up against Saddam in 1991 and - when they obeyed - did nothing. We must forget how America promised a new era of hope to Somalia in 1993 and then, after "Black Hawk Down", abandoned the country. We must forget how President Bush junior promised to "stand by" Afghanistan before he began his bombings last year - and has left it now an economic shambles of drug barons, warlords, anarchy and fear. He boasted yesterday that the people of Afghanistan have been "liberated" - this after he has failed to catch bin Laden, failed to catch Mullah Omar, and while his troops are coming under daily attack. We must forget, as we listen to the need to reinsert arms inspectors, that the CIA covertly used UN weapons inspectors to spy on Iraq. And of course, we must forget about oil. Indeed, oil is the one commodity - and one of the few things which George Bush junior knows something about, along with his ex-oil cronies Cheney and Rice and countless others in the administration - which is never mentioned. In all of Bush's 30 minutes of anti-Iraq war talk yesterday - pleasantly leavened with just two minutes of how "I hope this will not require military action" - there wasn't a single reference to the fact that Iraq may hold oil reserves larger than those of Saudi Arabia, that American oil companies stand to gain billions of dollars in the event of a US invasion, that, once out of power, Bush and his friends could become multi-billionaires on the spoils of this war. We must ignore all this before we go to war. We must forget. ) 2002 lndependent Digital (UK) Ltd - -- Richard A. Walker Professor of Geography, UC Berkeley ph: (510) 642-3901 Chair, California Studies Association http://geography.berkeley.edu/ProjectsResources/californiastudies.html Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: O.T Wilco:MPEG-4 Webcast Tonight, etc. Wilco World wrote:To: luvjazzz@yahoo.com From: Wilco World Subject: MPEG-4 Webcast Tonight, etc. Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 07:36:47 -0700 WILCO kicks off Fall Tour with MPEG-4 Webcast Tonight Greetings, Well, Wilco's last tour of the year is under way; and to kick it off right we're going to stream the audio portion of tonight's show at the 9:30 Club in Washington DC live in MPEG-4/AAC using QuickTime 6 (make sure to update your QuickTime to version 6 or you won't be able to listen, it's free). This is a bit of a historic moment as this willl be the first concert ever webcast in MPEG-4. We tested the stream last night and all reports are it sounded great, so come by wilcoworld.net tonight around 10:00 p.m. Eastern time and check it out. If you wanna tune-in early to get a good seat, we'll be streaming the Boas' set as well around 8:15 p.m. The entire US tour is now posted and tickets are on sale at Wilcoworld. These will be the band's last US shows until February or March 2003 at the very earliest; they're going to take a well-earned holiday break and then head to New Zealand, Australia and possibly Japan early in the New Year. A few other tidbits: "YHF" vinyl -- a double album, with gate-fold sleeve and on 180 gram vinyl direct metal mastered at Abbey Road, to be precise -- should be available next week on the site and in finer record stores everywhere. There's really nothing like the feel and sound of a well-pressed record. We hope you'll think it was worth the wait. No Thanksgving shows in Chicago this year. Sorry. Don't forget to vote on November 5. In crazy times like these, making your voice heard is more important than ever. Signed, WILCO HQ wilcoworld Update your profile or unsubscribe here. Delivered by Topica Email Publisher. Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:19:27 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Last Splash Support Ah, but if I hadn't risen to Ari's anti-Belgium bait a few weeks ago, Alistair and Bart would not have got to hear of De Groote Witte Arend in Antwerp. Turn, turn, turn. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hick > But Sub Rosa is a Belgian label, so wouldn't it be just the funniest thing > ever to waste everyone's time by writing something derogatory about Belgians > at this point? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:37:04 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] The Fall Oh, God yes - a masterpiece. Talking of cheap CDs - just back from Charing X Rd. (London) where a small shop just up from Blackwell's bookshop is advertising three CDs for a fiver. Went to have a look not expecting much and came away with Cathal Coughlan's 'Black River Falls', Cousteau's first album and Leila's 'Courtesy of Choice'. A pretty off the wall selection. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw To: Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:09 PM Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] The Fall > I remember the infinitely long Fall thread from earlier this year, so I'd > thought I'd ask... > > "This Nation's Saving Grace" for a fiver. Worth getting? > > - Andrew (np: Delgados - "Peloton") > > -- > "When I drive alone at night, I see the streetlights as fairgrounds, > And I tried a hundred times, to see the road-signs as day-glo..." > - Mogwai, "Cody" ('Come On, Die Young') > adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:48:49 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Being for the benefit of Sgt. Pepper. > Does anyone have the > original vinyl of the first Velvet Underground album? Does it sound > better than the CD? Is there a CD I should avoid? (Maybe I've got a > bad edition?) I don't have the original - sadly - but I do have it on vinyl. And it sounds GREAT! Maybe it has a primitive production, but what the hell Paul. There's some of the most exciting, essential music you'll ever hear... Quite simply, it's one of the greatest records EVER! Funnily enough the 'weediness' of the production on the Kinks early stuff doesn't bother me as much as say some of the early Who (or The Clash 1st LP for that matter - sorry Bart!). As for Sgt Pepper - as someone who grew up being told it was the greatest LP ever, I've always thought it was good, but completely over-rated - and I like The Beatles. Whilst I don't dislike any of the following tracks, I don't think Within Without You, Getting Better, Mr Kite, Lovely Rita are exactly essential, let alone When I'm 64... Bizarrely, I bought it the height of punk in the summer of '77 - same day as Octopus (Gentle Giant) IIRC. I mention this only to demonstrate how different the albums I was buying at that time to the singles, which were almost exclusively punk/new wave. I suspect I wasn't alone here. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:20:05 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Death In Vegas/Electrelane Went to see Death In Vegas / Electrelane at Manchester last night... All girl Brighton band Electrelane were great. Simplistic in the extreme, they 'rocked out' much more than they do on record, even if they did all wear bemused 'what-am-I-doing-here' expressions. Basically they're early Stereolab with the early TX cheesy organ and a drummer who thinks she's Stephen Morris. And I loved them. They played loads off last years debut album (one of my fave LP's of the year), their recent single I Want To Be The President and - apparently - a Joy Division cover that I didn't recognise. They went down just as well as a support band can hope with my only complaint being the vocals - much harsher and louder than on record. Death In Vegas, of course, have specialised in featuring guest star vocalists such as Iggy, Weller, Liam Gallagher, Bobby Gillespie and Hope Sandoval on their last couple of records. Whilst not expecting any of these to show up for a small student university venue, I had wondered who would be singing. DIV, however, solved the problem by playing a largely instrumental set, with taped vocals provided for some numbers. Whilst this worked on the whole - in fact I thought some of the newer numbers worked better without vocals - it meant that the visual centrepiece was a large screen at the back with the usual kind of repetive images, which unfortunately resulted in me drifting off elsewhere at times. Despite this, the band were great - in fact, they positively throbbed at times. Very heavy and at times, very danceable. Impressed... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:40:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Last Splash Support Anti-Belgian?ME?nah,never,I just don't like 'em!(I'll get me disguise)Ari Keith Knight wrote:Ah, but if I hadn't risen to Ari's anti-Belgium bait a few weeks ago, Alistair and Bart would not have got to hear of De Groote Witte Arend in Antwerp. Turn, turn, turn. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hick > But Sub Rosa is a Belgian label, so wouldn't it be just the funniest thing > ever to waste everyone's time by writing something derogatory about Belgians > at this point? Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:56:21 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Last Splash Support On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 03:40:18PM -0700, Ari Britt wrote: > Anti-Belgian?ME?nah,never,I just don't like 'em!(I'll get me disguise)Ari I know Ari's joking here, but I think the joke's worn a bit thin now. There's so many eminently hatable people in the world in terms of their behaviour to need to bother about race, gender, nationality or (non-ultra-extremist) religion.., genuine bigotry (which I hope never to see here) just shows fear and a lack of imagination, I think. I think I had faith in humanity when I was 12, you know. I don't think it lasted much past then. :) - - Andrew - -- "Maybe I'm crazy, maybe diminished; maybe I'm innocent, maybe I'm finished, Maybe I blacked out - how, how do I play this?" - - R.E.M. , 'Diminished' ("Up") adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:48:41 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Last Splash Support - --- Andrew Walkingshaw wrote:... > I think I had faith in humanity when I was > 12, you know. I don't think > it lasted much past then. :) ah, now there's a generality humanity is not worth the effort i've been very dissappointed with our dogs this week as well - however the fish never fail to delight Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:08:17 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Being for the benefit of Sgt. Pepper. >I don't have the original - sadly - but I do have it on vinyl. And it sounds >GREAT! Maybe it has a primitive production, but what the hell Paul. There's >some of the most exciting, essential music you'll ever hear... > Hey - I'm not against primitive production, per se. But, that's no excuse for recording stuff poorly either. Primitive doesn't have to mean *bad*. (^_^) The earliest Beatles songs were recorded pretty primitively - twin track! - but they sound amazing. There's a good possibility that the original CD release I have may not be up to snuff. I'll double check to see what edition I have at home, and decide what I want to do about it. >Quite simply, it's one of the greatest records EVER! It's a great album, definitely. But, personally, I can't go quite *that* far. (^_^) I guess I've always been a bigger fan of the anti-establishment "concept" of the Velvet Underground than the actual music they made. Don't get me wrong - I do think they're a great band, and very deserving of their place in rock history. But I just don't find myself listening to their CDs very often. Now that we're talking about 'em, though, I'll probably throw a few of their discs into my daily rotation and listen to 'em again. It's been a couple of years since I bought them, and my tastes change all the time. (^_^) > >Funnily enough the 'weediness' of the production on the Kinks early stuff >doesn't bother me as much as say some of the early Who (or The Clash 1st >LP for that matter - sorry Bart!). > The new CD remasters of the Clash's 1st LP (US or UK) sound pretty good, though! (^_^) (Or - was that the edition you were referring to?) >As for Sgt Pepper - as someone who grew up being told it was the greatest LP >ever, I've always thought it was good, but completely over-rated - and I >like The >Beatles. Whilst I don't dislike any of the following tracks, I don't think >Within Without You, Getting Better, Mr Kite, Lovely >Rita are exactly essential, let alone When I'm 64... > I used to sit for days - literally days - listening to "Within you, without you", "Being for the benefit of Mr. Kite", and "Getting Better". I even memorized where the keyboard mistake was in "Getting Better" - How sad is that? That "calliope" at the end of "Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite" used to really blow my mind. And, although you didn't mention it, "Good Morning" was another huge fave. I used to quote that song's lyrics all the time at weird moments - kinda like I do now with the Fall. (^_^) Okay - I admit it. I'm a huge fan of psychedelia. The Beatles "Magical Mystery Tour" album used to get a lot of play on my turntable, too. I used to play songs like "Blue Jay Way", "I am the walrus", and "Strawberry Fields Forever" over and over. Maybe all that exposure to "psychedelic" sounds during my youth was why I was such a huge "shoe-gazer" fan later on..... (^_-) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:33:05 -0500 (CDT) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] Beatles Not much of an early fan, but begining with Rubber Soul > Revolver thru The End, I was (and still am) amazed at the lyrical multi-level meanings many of their songs contain. Depending on frame of mind & life's circumstances, some songs become "sounding boards" reflecting ourselves. Sgt. Pepper was once reviewed as "touching on the 7 ages of man", however, looking in hindsight it may be true of their entire body of work. To single out George Harrison, Within you / without you & While my guitar gently weeps are 2 such songs over time take on the likes of "life's soundtrack", specifically evolving through time with a new slant. An analogy might be that walking up to a tree to examine it's trunk is quite different than standing back to see the branches, leaves, buds, fruit, etc. through the four seasons. Check your map reference and hourglass next time 'any' music for deaf people befronts you with instant karma. Enjoy the joy ride, (row, row, row yer boat) vortex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 03:03:25 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Being for the benefit of Sgt. Pepper. In a message dated 15/10/2002 22:40:33 GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > Bizarrely, I bought it the height of punk in the summer of '77 - same day > as > Octopus (Gentle Giant) IIRC. I mention this only to demonstrate how > different the albums I was buying at that time to the singles, which were > almost exclusively punk/new wave. I suspect I wasn't alone here. > > Keith > I was doing the same thing.At that crossover point when I was 17.Talking Heads 77 in the same bag as a Van Der Graaf LP.Bought Pink Flag on it's own one Saturday in 77 on impulse.Must have been the cover.Best buy ever ? Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:14:33 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Best buy ever? Chris: > Pink Flag on it's own one Saturday in 77 on impulse. Must have been > the cover. Best buy ever ? Depends on what you paid for it. Most important buy? I'll say!! ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:18:58 +0200 From: S=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=bastien Morlighem Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Death In Vegas/Electrelane > Went to see Death In Vegas / Electrelane at Manchester last night... Went to see Electrelane in Paris last night ! (on a boat on the Seine). > All girl Brighton band Electrelane were great. Simplistic in the extreme, they > 'rocked out' much more than they do on record, even if they did all wear > bemused 'what-am-I-doing-here' expressions. Basically they're early Stereolab > with the early TX cheesy organ and a drummer who thinks she's Stephen Morris. > And I loved them. They played loads off last years debut album (one of my fave > LP's of the year), their recent single I Want To Be The President and - > apparently - a Joy Division cover that I didn't recognise. They went down just > as well as a support band can hope with my only complaint being the vocals - > much harsher and louder than on record. I agree about the bemused expressions, not much with the early Stereolab 'sound'. Never thought about Stephen Morris, quite right, but you can also name Ringo Starr ! Emma is a great drummer, I think. And their debut album was also one of my last year's faves. Too many boys in the crowd for these beautiful ladies. This was not a Joy Division cover, even if it sounded a lot like, but Springsteen's 'I'm on Fire' ! Best Boss cover I've ever heard. Too short (35/40 minutes). But it rocked a lot ! No complain about the vocals, but the guitar was too low... We left when some laptop geezer took the stage (got to catch last tube...). The Wire Sound System was quite excellent ! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #352 *******************************