From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #351 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, October 15 2002 Volume 05 : Number 351 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] This past weekend I listened to ... [Woerner Frank ] Re: [idealcopy] Chris Spedding ["Stephen Graziano" ] RE: [idealcopy] Chris Spedding [David Turnbull ] Re: [idealcopy] tops. Tough, isn't it? ["Glenn" ] [idealcopy] Re: Looking for this man, to sell him to another man.... ["Gl] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #350 ["Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] This past weekend I listened to ... IBTABA and ABIAC for the first time in 2002. And they were on heavy rotation for the whole weekend. My newest cd: Finisterre - Saint Etienne ... very good! Recommended! I've also got some new Sigur Ros tracks but have no opinion about it yet. You have to be in the right mood for this stuff. regards from Bavaria Frank ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:21:29 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #350 >And am I the only one, (Oops! Nobody mentioned them), who admires Front 242 >? > >Glenn. I love the older Front 242 music; everything from Geography through Tyranny For You is keen. I saw Front 242 in concert here in Atlanta back in 1991 and one of the guys had glow-in-the-dark contact lenses. That was pretty cool. Front 242 are a blast to watch in concert, even if they are pretty much dancing to pre-recorded music. This is quite obvious, I know, but my favorite Front 242 song is "Headhunter". I think I'll give my own Top Ten Album List a go here: The Cure - Disintegration (this is my all-time favorite album) R.E.M. - Reckoning Echo And The Bunnymen - Ocean Rain Pixies - Bossanova Husker Du - New Day Rising New Order - Technique Wire - 154 (this one recently dethroned Pink Flag) U2 - The Unforgettable Fire My Bloody Valentine - Loveless The Smiths - Louder Than Bombs When you turn thirty, it gets more and more difficult to think through your cd collection and pick a Top Ten List. Near Misses: Cocteau Twins - Heaven Or Las Vegas, The Chameleons - Script Of The Bridge, Ride - Going Blank Again, The Church - Gold Afternoon Fix, Talking Heads - More Songs About Buildings And Food, Public Image Ltd. - Second Edition, Crowded House - - Crowded House (s/t debut), The Verve - A Storm In Heaven, David Bowie - Low. I could go on and on. I'm a little deaf right now because, last night, some friends and I had fourth row seats to the Rush concert here in Atlanta (yeah, I know, insert laughter and finger pointing here, but I like their concerts). It's a capital offense around here to wear earplugs during Neil Peart's drum solos, so I'm just going to have to let the ears ring for a few hours more. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:44:39 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] This past weekend I listened to ... In a message dated 10/14/02 10:15:22 AM, frank-juergen.woerner@siemens.com writes: >IBTABA and ABIAC for the first time in 2002. ibtaba is never far from my cd player. it gets more return visits, and stays longer than most cds in my collection. hmm, veddy intehdesting... - -another the paul n.p. scenic -the acid gospel experience earlier this week: r&b02 crispy ambulance - the plateau phase, scissorgun tunnelvision - guessing the way insides - euphoria sugarplant - after after hours section 25 - the key of dreams savage republic - jamahiriya chameleons - strange times abecedarians - resin www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:45:49 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #350 In a message dated 10/14/02 11:22:01 AM, inspectorjason@hotmail.com writes: >The Smiths - Louder Than Bombs i thought about this one, but should it count? - -paul (singles going steady) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:04:40 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #350 On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 03:21:29PM +0000, Jason Rogers wrote: > When you turn thirty, it gets more and more difficult to think through your > cd collection and pick a Top Ten List. Near Misses: Cocteau Twins - > Heaven Or Las Vegas, The Chameleons - Script Of The Bridge, Ride - Going > Blank Again, The Church - Gold Afternoon Fix, Talking Heads - More Songs > About Buildings And Food, Public Image Ltd. - Second Edition, Crowded House > - Crowded House (s/t debut), The Verve - A Storm In Heaven, David Bowie - > Low. I could go on and on. It wasn't exactly easy for me, and I turn 22 in a little under two weeks. :) My near misses were things like Jeff Buckley - Grace, Talking Heads - Remain in Light, Buzzcocks - Singles (Going Steady), Tortoise - "Standards", DJ Shadow - "Endtroducing", Aphex Twin - "Selected Ambient Works '85-'92", maybe even the Manics' "The Holy Bible" (though you can stick most of the rest of their output) and, yes, the Beatles' "Revolver" and "Sgt. Peppers'". (They *are* really good records, cliche be damned... :) ) - - Andrew - -- "Don't talk of love - (well, I've heard the word before), It's sleeping in my memory; I won't disturb the slumber of feelings that have died..." - Simon and Garfunkel, "I Am A Rock" ('Sounds of Silence') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:19:31 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] tops I sent mine in, just riffed off the top of my head, but yes included Revolver. sigh. Also 154, Songs the Lord Taught Us, Prayers on Fire, Underwater Moonlight, jeez, I just remembered I forgot Marquee Moon!! arrghh!!. Well at least I didn't vote for the Bends or OK Computer. - Steve. G - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: [idealcopy] tops > my top ten list is made up of bands that, i feel, are quite unique and have > done something very interesting with a particular sound/style. here's my > "spinal tap" version of my top ten. i couldn't number them. that's gonna take > some real pooh bear type thinkin...so they're here in abc order: > > buzzcocks - a different kind of tension > durutti column - vini reilly > einsturzende neubauten - halber mensch > godspeed you black emperor! - f#a# infinity > joy division - unknown pleasures > new order - power corruption and lies > pixies - doolittle > psychedelic furs - talk talk talk > stereolab - transient random noise bursts with announcements > swans - children of god > wire - 154 > > i had to stick with post punk releases. taking every album ever made into > consideration is way too much pressure for me! and besides, this way i don't > have to contribute to revolver landing at #1, as it probably will. if i went > back another year or so i'd have to consider: > > the damned - machine gun etiquette > the ramones - it's alive > > those 2 for sure. so many others to think about. honorable mentions to: > > cocteau twins - victorialand > devo - q:are we not men? a:we are devo > savage republic - tragic figures > sonic youth - evol > talking heads - more songs about buildings and food (or fear of music or > remain in light) > virgin prunes - if i die, i die > > chameleons, james and teardrop explodes should probably fall in there > somewhere too. oh yeah, and the fall too, and nick cave (birthday party - > boys next door?). ugh!! i have to stop. maybe we could try a top ten singles > and/or eps list...cocteau twins and smiths get dibs on that one! oy, i don't > know if that'll be any easier :o) > > -another the paul > > p.s. welcome, another the tim! > > n.p. scenic - the acid gospel experience ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:15:37 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chris Spedding I always considered Chris Spedding something of a guitar god in the late 70s. I loved his solo work (first heard him on "Guitar Jamboree" as a "things from England" track that WNEW-FM (Scott Muni) used to play on Fridays at 4), clicked with his involvement w/ the early Vibrators and or course the rumor that it was him on the Sex Pistol's Spunk boot. Saw him w/ Ferry (opening band Talking Heads) at the bottom line - so cool, and liked his take-over from Link Wray mightily w/ Robert Gordon. But he sucked mightily in the 80's. He overclubbed it, hanging out w/ industry and such, too much drink and drugs, worked w/ inferior session guys - and let's face it, Spedding is an ace side man, but songwriter/frontman, no and put out really crap albums. I remember one night, hanging out, I think at the Lone Star and I went up to talk to him and he wound up apologizing for how bad his last couple of albums were! - - Steve. G - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cambra, Robert" To: Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Chris Spedding > Yes, Chris Spedding is touring with Bryan Ferry right now. What a wonderful, > inventive player. I saw him on the Roxy tour last year, not having seen him > since the Ferry tour of '77, and paid special attention to his playing. > Watching a tape earlier in the year of that '77 tour it struck me just how > good he is! Where anyone else might play cliched licks, he does something > different while remaining in the tradition of the song. A quarter century > has gone by and it's time to catch on his work. Picked up a Robert Gordon > album I'd always wanted he's on; next: some solo stuff. > > Robert (another the) > > Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:00:19 +0100From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Re: Long Books> Ah, so it was Chris Spedding was it? I wondered what he'd been up tosince> the mid-70s. Played with John Cale in a great pre-punk leathers and twin> guitars tour in 1975. Good solo album around that time too - Get Out My> Pagoda!>> another the KeithJesting apart, Spedding has continued to work with Bryan Ferry. IIRC Heplayed with the reformed Roxy Music last year.Keith > > > *************************************************************** > This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed > and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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Hawkwind - Wastelands of Sleep - Xenon Codex - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart van Damme" To: "wire-news" Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Clooney > > Well, I'm a big ER fan,but discounting this I think his performances in Out > > Of Sight and Oh Brother are first rate examples of romantic / comedy acting. > > > You're backed up here by my brother who seems to be a fan too. His fave GC > movies are Three Kings en Thin Red Line [next to ER]. > > Well, allright then, I'll reconsider and watch out for either of these > films. Perhaps I've judged him too harshly because of the ER-genre wich I > don't like. > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:33:54 +0100 From: David Turnbull Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Chris Spedding IMHO Spedding's solo albums are wonderful - good songs, great guitarring and above all, they're VERY FUNNY! > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Graziano [SMTP:sjgraziano@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:16 PM > To: Cambra, Robert; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chris Spedding > > Spedding is an ace side man, but songwriter/frontman, no and put out > really crap albums. BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 18:54:26 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] tops. Tough, isn't it? > < Front 242 > ? >> > > Nope. I especially like the early stuff like Geography. YES! Glenn. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:55:47 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Looking for this man, to sell him to another man.... > I love the older Front 242 music; everything from Geography through Tyranny > For You is keen. > I saw Front 242 in concert here in Atlanta back in 1991 My daughter saw them for her third birthday in Brussels at that time. Before anyone levels charges of child-abuse or somesuch: Front by Front was her favourite album, she had earplugs, and she loved it. Okay? The City of Chicago, I-Beam, and Waxtrax supporters were always solid when it came to supporting Belgians with machines. > and one of the guys had glow-in-the-dark contact lenses. That was pretty > cool. >Front 242 are a blast to watch in concert In the early/mid 80's, watching a sizeable Mohican, (apologies to Keith), growing larger and larger from a backlit stage, over industrial beats, was indeed impresssive. > much dancing to pre-recorded music. This is quite obvious, I know, but my > favorite Front 242 song is "Headhunter". "Animal" (Radio Mix), is hard to beat. ;) Glenn. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:24:41 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #350 I find it interesting, Andrew, that Sgt Pepper nearly gets a top ten vote from you. I've always considered it to be a record which was hugely overrated. It's got loads of weak stuff on it IMO - can an album with 'When I'm 64' be regarded as great? (mind you I'd argue the same in re 'Frankly Mr Shankly' and 'The Queen is Dead'). I'm sure that it's not on your list because of it's 'classic' status - your posts clearly show you to be someone who would not be swayed by this - so I'd be interested in your opinions. I should say at this stage that I've never been a Beatles' fan particularly. I understand that parts of Sgt Pepper (e.g. Day in the Life) were risky and that from their position the Beatles were pushing the envelope, but I don't find their stuff that pleasurable to listen to other than as nostalgia (being, eek! over twice you age). Give me Beefheart and the Velvets anytime from that era, artistes who still sound radical today - played 'Velvet Underground and Nico' yesterday and it still sounds freshly minted. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw > > It wasn't exactly easy for me, and I turn 22 in a little under two > weeks. :) My near misses were things like "Sgt. Peppers'". (They *are* really > good records, cliche be damned... :) ) > > - Andrew > > -- > "Don't talk of love - (well, I've heard the word before), > It's sleeping in my memory; I won't disturb the slumber of feelings > that have died..." - Simon and Garfunkel, "I Am A Rock" ('Sounds of Silence') > adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:34:02 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Artist formerly known as...Sir? > Maybe the BBC need this pointing out to them. Who's gonna write the first > Dear Jools message? You are Keith, you just might get yourself a mention again... ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #350 Agree with a.t.Keith's sentiments oh so very much.....Ari Keith Knight wrote:I find it interesting, Andrew, that Sgt Pepper nearly gets a top ten vote from you. I've always considered it to be a record which was hugely overrated. It's got loads of weak stuff on it IMO - can an album with 'When I'm 64' be regarded as great? (mind you I'd argue the same in re 'Frankly Mr Shankly' and 'The Queen is Dead'). I'm sure that it's not on your list because of it's 'classic' status - your posts clearly show you to be someone who would not be swayed by this - so I'd be interested in your opinions. I should say at this stage that I've never been a Beatles' fan particularly. I understand that parts of Sgt Pepper (e.g. Day in the Life) were risky and that from their position the Beatles were pushing the envelope, but I don't find their stuff that pleasurable to listen to other than as nostalgia (being, eek! over twice you age). Give me Beefheart and the Velvets anytime from that era, artistes who still sound radical today - played 'Velvet Underground and Nico' yesterday and it still sounds freshly minted. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw > > It wasn't exactly easy for me, and I turn 22 in a little under two > weeks. :) My near misses were things like "Sgt. Peppers'". (They *are* really > good records, cliche be damned... :) ) > > - Andrew > > -- > "Don't talk of love - (well, I've heard the word before), > It's sleeping in my memory; I won't disturb the slumber of feelings > that have died..." - Simon and Garfunkel, "I Am A Rock" ('Sounds of Silence') > adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:09:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Artist formerly known as...Sir?/Dear Jools...... Bart van Damme wrote: > Maybe the BBC need this pointing out to them. Who's gonna write the first > Dear Jools message? You are Keith, you just might get yourself a mention again... ;-) Bart Darn it Bart he's already charging people for his autograph............. Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:12:13 -0500 From: "Steve Loubert" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read & Burn your Enterainment Weekly? From: Paul Pietromonaco > Hi everyone, > Some good news - Wire's Read and Burn 01 & 02 got reviewed in this week's > issue of Entertainment Weekly. That's it. They've sold out. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:48:51 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Being for the benefit of Sgt. Pepper. (was: Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #350) >I find it interesting, Andrew, that Sgt Pepper nearly gets a top ten vote >from you. Pardon me for jumping in here, but it's probably #1 or #2 on my top ten list of all time. Why, you might ask? >I've always considered it to be a record which was hugely >overrated. It's got loads of weak stuff on it IMO - can an album with 'When >I'm 64' be regarded as great? Yes, what you say about "When I'm 64" is mostly true (^_^) - but for me, it was the first album that was a true "album" and not a collection of singles. Or, at least was even thinking in those terms. Even today, I think it holds up remarkably well as an album. And, the loose concept works better that the "heavy concept" of some albums. ("Tommy" - where are you going? Sit back down!) >I should say at this stage that I've never been a Beatles' fan particularly. >I understand that parts of Sgt Pepper (e.g. Day in the Life) were risky and >that from their position the Beatles were pushing the envelope, but I don't >find their stuff that pleasurable to listen to other than as nostalgia >(being, eek! over twice you age). I'm the exact opposite, actually. The Beatles were the first band I ever truly liked. Remained at the top of my list until Throwing Muses, Wire & Swervedriver, actually. And, no - I'm far too young to have experienced any Beatle-mania first-hand. My parents hated the Beatles - they liked Glenn Miller a lot better, and forced my brother and me to listen to that style of music endlessly. I got so sick of that stuff that I ended up listening to Classical Music until my teen years, when I could buy my own albums. So, I didn't really hear the Beatles until 1980 or so - after John Lennon was assasinated. (Maybe that explains why "When I'm 64" doesn't send me screaming for the eject button?) >Give me Beefheart and the Velvets anytime >from that era, artistes who still sound radical today - played 'Velvet >Underground and Nico' yesterday and it still sounds freshly minted. > Hmm - never could get past the production on that record. The songs and performances are great, and it's definitely a classic, but the "tin-can" sound still bugs me. I wish they'd recorded that record in a better studio - you didn't have to be the Beatles to get good sound in the 60's. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:24:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Being for the benefit of Sgt. Pepper. (was: Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #350) Paul Pietromonaco wrote: >I find it interesting, Andrew, that Sgt Pepper nearly gets a top ten vote >from you. Pardon me for jumping in here, but it's probably #1 or #2 on my top ten list of all time. Why, you might ask? I WAS a HUGE Beatles fan 'at the time...but this is now and that was then,today I find it 'too sweet' by half,but not as sickly sweet as,say the moodt blues >I've always considered it to be a record which was hugely >overrated. It's got loads of weak stuff on it IMO - can an album with 'When >I'm 64' be regarded as great? Right,but don't forget that this was meant to be a 'fun' track,insofar as they had very little to say on a political level........other than tune in turn on........ Yes, what you say about "When I'm 64" is mostly true (^_^) - but for me, it was the first album that was a true "album" and not a collection of singles. Or, at least was even thinking in those terms. 'Concept album it was,or tried to be,but surely a 'concept album' addresses issues on a theme,like,as you mention,Tommy,a true concept album and 'modern opera' if ever there was one(with apologies to Philip Glass) Even today, I think it holds up remarkably well as an album. And, the loose concept works better that the "heavy concept" of some albums. ("Tommy" - where are you going? Sit back down!) >I should say at this stage that I've never been a Beatles' fan particularly. >I understand that parts of Sgt Pepper (e.g. Day in the Life) were risky and >that from their position the Beatles were pushing the envelope, but I don't >find their stuff that pleasurable to listen to other than as nostalgia >(being, eek! over twice you age). I'm the exact opposite, actually. The Beatles were the first band I ever truly liked. Remained at the top of my list until Throwing Muses, Wire & Swervedriver, actually. The first band I truly liked was Buddy Holly and the Crickets,now that's what I called music,and yes,it almost stands up today(Buddy was the true 'king',not Elvis,whom I 'went off' when he started doing sloppy love songs,what a waste of a good voice... And, no - I'm far too young to have experienced any Beatle-mania first-hand. My parents hated the Beatles - they liked Glenn Miller a lot better, and forced my brother and me to listen to that style of music endlessly. I got so sick of that stuff that I ended up listening to Classical Music until my teen years, when I could buy my own albums. So, I didn't really hear the Beatles until 1980 or so - after John Lennon was assasinated. A great loss,at the time i had little respect for ZLenon,I considered he had 'sold out'.He said himself that most fo whet he wrote was garbage. (Maybe that explains why "When I'm 64" doesn't send me screaming for the eject button?) >Give me Beefheart and the Velvets anytime >from that era, artistes who still sound radical today - played 'Velvet >Underground and Nico' yesterday and it still sounds freshly minted. > Hmm - never could get past the production on that record. The songs and performances are great, and it's definitely a classic, but the "tin-can" sound still bugs me. I wish they'd recorded that record in a better studio - you didn't have to be the Beatles to get good sound in the 60's. (^_^) True,but they weren't going for a 'studio professional' sound,rather a did it on our own sound,raw,naked,like the early Stones,I agree it stands up today,'though i do consider it one of their weakest albums,it was a good first attempt for that day and age.(nothing pretentious) Cheers, Paul Cheers indeed.Ari Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 18:10:21 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Being for the benefit of Sgt. Pepper. >>Hmm - never could get past the production on that record. The songs >>and performances are great, and it's definitely a classic, but the >>"tin-can" sound still bugs me. > >True,but they weren't going for a 'studio professional' sound,rather a >did it on our own sound,raw,naked,like the early Stones Hi Ari, Yeah - I undertand that. (^_^). But - I'm not talking about a "slick, over-produced-in-an-Alanis-Morissette-kind-of-way" type of sound. I'm just talking about a "raw, honest, yes-we-have-more-than-a-Panasonic-cassette-recorder-with-a-built-in-mic" type of sound. (No disrespect to Panasonic intended here. They make a fine portable cassette recorder. (^_^)) For me - if a band is going in the studio, they deserve to be recorded with a modicum of care to preserve the performance for history. You can get great recordings with an open room, a couple of mics, and a decent tape deck. (Buddy Holly springs to mind here.) But - this record doesn't even sound like they had that. Although I'm not the best Rolling Stones expert, what I've heard of their early work sounds better than that - to my ears, anyway. I've often wondered why records from this period (1966-67) sound that way. For example - The Yardbirds, Jimi Hendrix, The Who & The Kinks albums had this strange thin sound as well. (BTW - the Yardbirds' BBC sessions and the Rhino remastered box set sound great.) Possibly it was a compromise for AM/FM radio broadcasts. Or the proliferation of cheap, independent studios that weren't controlled by the record labels. Or maybe the new multitrack machines and transistor recording consoles. It had to be something that made these records sound that way. Or, maybe you just had to be there. (^_^) There is one other thought that occurs to me. It could be that the master tapes haven't held up very well. I know they had a hell of a time recovering some of the lost Velvet Underground out-takes. Like, playing the master tapes backwards, and reversing the digitized signal, because the masters were disintergrating as they spooled during the first playback, and they were stored tails out. Does anyone have the original vinyl of the first Velvet Underground album? Does it sound better than the CD? Is there a CD I should avoid? (Maybe I've got a bad edition?) Okay - I'll stop rambling. Thanks for indulging my speculations. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:34:59 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: tops In a message dated 10/14/02 12:05:14 PM, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: >Public Image Ltd. - Second Edition ooh, i knew i forgot one! i meant to include this on my list and just plain forgot. doh - -another the paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #351 *******************************