From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #348 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, October 12 2002 Volume 05 : Number 348 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Soderbergh-Solaris ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] UVS [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] UVS [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] UVS [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] UVS ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] UVS [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] UVS [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] UVS ["Jan Noorda" ] Re: [idealcopy] UVS ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] UVS [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Chris Spedding ["Cambra, Robert" ] [idealcopy] tops [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] The Bunker [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:59:45 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Soderbergh-Solaris Well, I'm a big ER fan,but discounting this I think his performances in Out Of Sight and Oh Brother are first rate examples of romantic / comedy acting. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart van Damme > > Clooney meanwhile is a reliable romantic / comic actor > > Well, he did a pretty good job in From Dusk till Dawn, I'll give you that. > Also I am curious about Oh Brother Where Art Thou, but I haven't seen any > other memorable performance by the man. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:30:08 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] UVS Someone asked me earlier what had happened to Kurt Ralske after the 3rd Ultra Vivi Scene album, Rev. Anyone any ideas? BTW John Ottway is on TOTP tonight. Might be a laugh... Keith NP King Tubby/Roots Radics - Dangerous Dub ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:16:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] UVS >>Someone asked me earlier what had happened to Kurt Ralske after the 3rd Ultra Vivid Scene album, Rev. Anyone any ideas?<< Fantastic band - much underrated. Split in 93, since when KR has been doing lots of production etc.. this tells you most of the details. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/5901/krpuvsa.html He's released a couple of solo albums (either as KR or as Cathars). Ambient instrumental laptop noodling, frankly. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:28:13 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] UVS - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > >>Someone asked me earlier what had happened to Kurt > Ralske after the 3rd > Ultra > Vivid Scene album, Rev. Anyone any ideas?<< > > Fantastic band - much underrated. Split in 93, since > when KR has been doing > lots of production etc.. this tells you most of the > details. i would debate the underrated - they were rather critic's darlings in their day my theory is that the wind went out of the sails when the live shows and public reaction did not live up to the industry hype that said, 'staring at the sun' is rather brilliant > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/5901/krpuvsa.html > > He's released a couple of solo albums (either as KR > or as Cathars). Ambient > instrumental laptop noodling, frankly. in a word, dull (and i am a large fan of ambient laptop noodling) Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:39:13 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] UVS >>i would debate the underrated - they were rather critic's darlings in their day my theory is that the wind went out of the sails when the live shows and public reaction did not live up to the industry hype that said, 'staring at the sun' is rather brilliant<< Perhaps in the US more than here. Even for a 4AD band they didn't get that big a push. And I thought they were tremendous live on the one occasion I saw them (touring Joy 1967-1992 at Sheffield Leadmill). > >> He's released a couple of solo albums (either as KR > > or as Cathars). Ambient > > instrumental laptop noodling, frankly. > in a word, dull<< I would't disagree with that... though I'm not much of an ambient laptop noodling fan! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:25:49 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] UVS Rayographique > >>i would debate the underrated - they were rather > critic's darlings in their day > my theory is that the wind went out of the sails when > the live shows and public reaction did not live up to > the industry hype mark > Perhaps in the US more than here. Even for a 4AD band they didn't get that > big a push. And I thought they were tremendous live on the one occasion I saw > them (touring Joy 1967-1992 at Sheffield Leadmill). I'd agree with Mark on this. Maybe they were rated more highly in the USA. They seemed to get good reviews over here for awhile, but not to the extent they deserved. Joy is probably my fave - a great LP. The person who asked me had - albeit belatedly - got round to getting Rev, and was very disappointed in comparison with the other two. It mightn't be as good, but I still like it a lot. rayo... > that said, 'staring at the sun' is rather brilliant Yes it is, but there's even better stuff on the albums IMO... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:09:44 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] UVS >>Joy is probably my fave - a great LP.<< Mine too... >> The person who asked me > had - albeit belatedly - got round to getting > Rev, and was very disappointed in comparison with the other two. It > mightn't be as good, but I still like it a lot.<< If anything I prefer it to the first one. Mr Rabjohn of this parish prefers Rev to the others.... > > that said, 'staring at the sun' is rather brilliant > > Yes it is, but there's even better stuff on the albums IMO...<< I concur. There's lots of good non-LP stuff on their many EPs too... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:29:56 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] UVS In a message dated 10/11/02 6:10:32 PM GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >> The person who asked me > had - albeit belatedly - got round to getting > > Rev, and was very disappointed in comparison with the other two. It > > mightn't be as good, but I still like it a lot.<< > > If anything I prefer it to the first one. Mr Rabjohn of this parish prefers > > Rev to the others.... /////yep , too true. my recollection is that in the UK they got a lot of press around the first album / mercy seat but not so much after. i'd guess the sales went steadily down as time progressed , rev really stiffed here i'd imagine. but for me those 3 albums get better and better. for me the first one is a bit slow and shoegazy (dare i say heroiny?). on joy they get a lot more commercial , there's some great pop songs on it. Rev is more "rock" (UVS rock that is) and for me that's the one where it really comes together , in a parallel universe "candida" would be a top 3 single. great lyrics , great playing and generally available on ebay for about a dollar. years after the event somebody asked me what i thought of them live , had to concede that they'd never played near me. i then learnt that they were the tour support on the breeders' last splash tour. shit shit shit , another bum call. so what do cathars sound like then? p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:37:07 -0000 From: "Jan Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] UVS > Someone asked me earlier what had happened to Kurt Ralske after the 3rd Ultra > Vivi Scene album, Rev. Anyone any ideas? > I know about a release on the Belgian Sub Rosa rec. Its called Amor 0 + 0,1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:33:29 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] UVS > BTW John Ottway is on TOTP tonight. Might be a laugh... And it was! I'm not a fan, but he looked so pleased I felt pleased for him. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:01:33 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] UVS Jan, > >>I know about a release on the Belgian Sub Rosa rec. Its called Amor 0 + > 0,1<< > > That's the one I have. Ambient laptop noodling! I haven't heard the Cathars > stuff but the description suggests it's...er...ambient laptop noodling.... > ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:40:23 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Chris Spedding Yes, Chris Spedding is touring with Bryan Ferry right now. What a wonderful, inventive player. I saw him on the Roxy tour last year, not having seen him since the Ferry tour of '77, and paid special attention to his playing. Watching a tape earlier in the year of that '77 tour it struck me just how good he is! Where anyone else might play cliched licks, he does something different while remaining in the tradition of the song. A quarter century has gone by and it's time to catch on his work. Picked up a Robert Gordon album I'd always wanted he's on; next: some solo stuff. Robert (another the) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:00:19 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Re: Long Books > Ah, so it was Chris Spedding was it? I wondered what he'd been up to since > the mid-70s. Played with John Cale in a great pre-punk leathers and twin > guitars tour in 1975. Good solo album around that time too - Get Out My > Pagoda! > > another the Keith Jesting apart, Spedding has continued to work with Bryan Ferry. IIRC He played with the reformed Roxy Music last year. Keith *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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Robert (another the) From: Alistair Tear Robert wrote... >the more I find out about Proust he seems simply tedious (was he doing more than elegantly telling us how dead and bored he was? should I bother If you don't fancy wading through A la recherche du temps perdu I recommend the fillum 'Time regained' by Raul Ruiz one of the finest movies of recent years...fuck it, one of the finest movies of all time...achingly, heartbreakingly moving (imho) later A *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 00:34:23 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] tops my top ten list is made up of bands that, i feel, are quite unique and have done something very interesting with a particular sound/style. here's my "spinal tap" version of my top ten. i couldn't number them. that's gonna take some real pooh bear type thinkin...so they're here in abc order: buzzcocks - a different kind of tension durutti column - vini reilly einsturzende neubauten - halber mensch godspeed you black emperor! - f#a# infinity joy division - unknown pleasures new order - power corruption and lies pixies - doolittle psychedelic furs - talk talk talk stereolab - transient random noise bursts with announcements swans - children of god wire - 154 i had to stick with post punk releases. taking every album ever made into consideration is way too much pressure for me! and besides, this way i don't have to contribute to revolver landing at #1, as it probably will. if i went back another year or so i'd have to consider: the damned - machine gun etiquette the ramones - it's alive those 2 for sure. so many others to think about. honorable mentions to: cocteau twins - victorialand devo - q:are we not men? a:we are devo savage republic - tragic figures sonic youth - evol talking heads - more songs about buildings and food (or fear of music or remain in light) virgin prunes - if i die, i die chameleons, james and teardrop explodes should probably fall in there somewhere too. oh yeah, and the fall too, and nick cave (birthday party - boys next door?). ugh!! i have to stop. maybe we could try a top ten singles and/or eps list...cocteau twins and smiths get dibs on that one! oy, i don't know if that'll be any easier :o) - -another the paul p.s. welcome, another the tim! n.p. scenic - the acid gospel experience ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:29:03 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] The Bunker Though I'm sure many of you've been here before, it's... THE BUNKER! "Welcome, this site hopes to bring you rare / unseen video clips from bands that have been & gone. Mainly culled from UK & European TV from 1978-1988, generally Post Punk, Industrial and just rarely seen footage." http://www.homestead.com/thiefoffire/ Vids by Throbbing Gristle, Joy Division, Fad Gadget, A Certain Ratio, the Fall and... hiding near the bottom [links] Colin Newman's "B". And many many more... Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #348 *******************************