From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #346 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, October 10 2002 Volume 05 : Number 346 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] SOLARIS WITH GEORGE CLOONEY ???? ["Fergus Kelly" ] Re: [idealcopy] Corto Maltese ["Glenn" ] RE: [idealcopy] It's in your book... ["Eric Klaver" ] FW: [idealcopy] (ot) long books, long threads & Ellroy ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] My Top Ten depending on how I feel and in no partcular order [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: long thread [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: FW: [idealcopy] (ot) long books, long threads & Ellroy [Andrew Walkin] Re: [idealcopy] Re: long thread [MarkBursa@aol.com] [none] [eduardo jaimez ] Re: FW: [idealcopy] (ot) long books, long threads & Ellroy [MarkBursa@aol] Re: [idealcopy] Re: long thread ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: tour goods [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: tour goods [rayographique ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:25:34 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] SOLARIS WITH GEORGE CLOONEY ???? >Soderbergh has just remade Solaris with George Clooney. This has got to be some kind of joke.... what the fuck's going on ??? Fergus _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:59:22 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SOLARIS WITH GEORGE CLOONEY ???? IT'S TRUE! >> Soderbergh has just remade Solaris with George Clooney. > This has got to be some kind of joke.... what the fuck's going on ??? > Fergus It's true... gad... trailer: http://www.empiremovies.com/movies/2003/solaris.shtml http://www.k26.com/solaris/About_Solaris/welcome_with_layers.htm http://www.georgeclooney.org/html/Solaris.html Also soon [for Glenn] "CORTO MALTESE, la cour secrhte des arcanes" http://www.cinemovies.fr/fiche_film.php?IDfilm=585 Corto Maltese, you can't call that just comics anymore, sooner literature. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 05:17:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Wireviews update Wireviews has been updated with a bunch of new articles, interviews and live reviews and photos. Please also note that the interim domain--www.wireviews.org--is now dead. Please always use www.wireviews.com to access the site. Cheers Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.com News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:34:56 +0200 From: "Glenn" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corto Maltese > Also soon [for Glenn] "CORTO MALTESE, la cour secrhte des arcanes" > http://www.cinemovies.fr/fiche_film.php?IDfilm=585 Hmm. Thanks for that, Bart. I must say I feel a little ambivalent about it. We shall see. It's nice to know that someone thinks it deserves the treatment. > Corto Maltese, you can't call that just comics anymore, sooner literature. Not much work around at the moment, eh Bart ? ;) Glenn. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:57:49 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] It's in your book... I don't know what the lyrics are saying, but the song itself coupled with the title reminds me of being in the subway/underground with all those barely understandable announcements on the PA. With Graham's "Pilgrims" comment on Agfers of Kodack I coudl suppose it's about London tourists underground missing "the nice streets above", with their heads buried in their guides, trying desperately to figure out where they are. Reminds me of Romm With A View (following our literary thread). Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Garry P Sent: October 8, 2002 6:31 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] It's in your book... Could I just say that this book thread has thrown up some really interesting stuff that I hadn't heard of before - big thanks in particular to Another the Keith for alerting me to BS Johnson, plus the raft of SF women. One book which I don't think has been mentioned yet is 'House of Leaves' by Mark Z Danielewski (who'd be universally known as Mazzer Dazzer if he lived in Liverpool). Both big and weird - and when you first see the way the text is laid out you think (a) how much overtime did the proofreaders get that month? and (b) pretentious arse. But imho it actually works extremely well and all the manipulations of text on the page serve purposes once you're into the plot. Anyway, speaking of books - I'm sure we've all been playing 'Nice Streets' over & over, backwards, in vain attempts to make out the lyrics... Anyway, the most audible things I can make out there are the words "It's in your book..." repeated a couple of times per verse. Has anybody got further than that/got any better offers? GarryP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:05:40 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man/Lopushansky Given his colour treatment of Traffic, it doesn't surprise me that Tarkovsky is an interest. we shall see Eric in Toronto //////////////////////// Soderbergh has just remade Solaris with George Clooney. That makes my blood run slightly chill... another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:09:39 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] It's in your book... ahem... that's Room. ////////////////////////// Reminds me of Romm With A View (following our literary thread). Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] You can't hear the words! i have a strong affection for brasillian and japanese pop partially because i cannot understand a single word of japanese or portugese whenever i read translations, i think this is a 'good thing' (tm) Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:37:09 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] You can't hear the words! >>I rarely pay attention to lyrics unless they are exceptionally good (or bad), I always focus right in on the music (unless its a band like The Fall where the lyrics are such an essential component of the enjoyment of the music). I've always been like this since I was a kid. I just hear the vocalisation, the shape of the words, the singer as an 'instrument'. Anyone else have this sort of 'lyric-deafness'?.<< I'd say that was an almost exact description of how I hear stuff. Bands like Wire/Fall/JD/Magazine etc I listen to the words, beacuse the words are an integral part of the band's sound. In ost other cases, fragments rise to the surface, but I'm never minded to go and look up the rest of the lyrics. Hence an album where the words are purposefully masked (REM's Murmur for example) sounds no different to, say, Television's Marquee Moon. Also explains my penchant for German music (I can understand enough German to get the general gist of teh sing, but not the nuances. So I don't bother). > >>Maybe it was from my childhood, of listening to AM radio from the back > seat > of an Austin Allegro on long summer day trips?<< You too eh! That's why. Blame the Austin Allegro (possibly the worst car ever produced by the British car industry - rivalled only by the Morris Marina). Did your dad's have the "quartic" (ie square) steering wheel. Ours did. And it was beige. > >>It might be something to do with also being a fan of the likes of The > Human > League and The Beach Boys where the music is often best enjoyed if you > ignore the lyrics. > Examples? > > "Hey Little Tomboy....Time to turn into a girl" (Beach Boys)<< That's almost certainly a Mike Love special. Possibly one of the most odious individuals ever involved with a great group. When Brian employed proper writers (Tony Asher, Van Dyke Parks) the results were altogether more rewarding (eg God only Knows, Surf's up etc) > >>"And Where there used to be some shops...is where the snipers sometimes > hide" (Human League).<< Well that's up there with the Cranberries or Sting. My personal Cranberries "fave" was not the one about the tanks and the bombs but teh one that started thus: "This morning something happened to me As I was having my cup of tea" Find a worse lyric than THAT! > >>Actually Wire are one of the few bands where the lyrics do grab me > sometimes, but if there's no lyric sheet with the LP, and you can't make > out > the words then I just enjoy the noise that comes out of Colin's mouth. I > prefer to make my own mind up about a song from the atmosphere and feel of > the song. > > As for lyrics, the more nonsensical and vague the better. Kidney Bingoes is > yer benchmark here.<< It's one aspect. But you've got three very good (and very different) writers in Wire. Mr Lewis is a fantastic writer, every bit as good as, say, Howard Devoto (but isn't recognised as such because he doesn't sing most of what he writes). Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:40:43 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Corto Solaris >> Also soon [for Glenn] "CORTO MALTESE, la cour secrete des arcanes" >> http://www.cinemovies.fr/fiche_film.php?IDfilm=585 > Hmm. Thanks for that, Bart. I must say I feel a little ambivalent about it. > We shall see. It's nice to know that someone thinks it deserves the > treatment. Felt the same way. Also mixed feelings about Solaris. Soderbergh sometimes can be interesting, but what a bloody shame he put Clooney in it. Everybody seen the preview yet? > Not much work around at the moment, eh Bart ? Haha... there is, I just don't feel like doing it much. ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:33:35 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: FW: [idealcopy] (ot) long books, long threads & Ellroy >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andrew Lumbard [mailto:andrew@lumbard.co.uk] >> Sent: 09 October 2002 19:32 >> To: Alistair Tear >> Subject: RE: [idealcopy] (ot) long books, long threads >> >> >> Alistair proclaimed:- >> >> >> >> 'American Tabloid' by James Ellroy >> >> >> >> Astonishing >> >> >> Now your talking....Have you got through The Cold Six Thousand >> yet?...or any of his others. >> >> AndyL >> >> CR (current read) Native Tongue - Carl Hiaasen >> >> Oops, just catching up on the other mails regarding Ellroy >> before I pressed send >> Keith & Another the Keith both mention My Dark Places - quite disturbing. >> You cannot just read The Black Dahlia, you've got to do the >> trilogy - Big Nowhere & LA Confidential >> Managed to find signed copies of Clandestine & Brown's Requiem >> in local Waterstone's a coupla years ago. >> Bit of a fan here. >> www.ellroy.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:27:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] My Top Ten depending on how I feel and in no partcular order MarkBursa@aol.com wrote:idealcopy@smoe.org >>All cats are grey-the Cure<< A song, not an album Ari. It's on Faith. Mark caught me there guvnor,I'll get me spectacles. Ari (who,of course,meant to type Faith,such a GOOD album) Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:59:16 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: long books (Proust) >From: "Cambra, Robert" >Subject: [idealcopy] Long Books > >I don't know that I'll ever be bright enough to read "Ulysses" (though >perhaps it's time to give it a whirl); the more I find out about Proust he >seems simply tedious (was he doing more than elegantly telling us how dead >and bored he was? should I bother?); I haven't read "Ada" yet but I've found >Nabokov always brilliant (an amazing writer, and English wasn't even his >first language); but the longest thing I've ever read, Solzhenitsyn's "The >Gulag Archipeligo,"--three volumes, about 800 pages each--is one best, most >rewarding books I've ever read. Some things need a lot of pages. Tired as I am of this thread, I just have say, yes, Proust is worthwhile, but only if you have a lot of reading time at your disposal. I also recommend short breaks (say a few weeks) between each volume (I actually wrote a journal article on reading Proust). He is very exacting in his language and philiosophy, and therefore often slow, but he may well be the most intelligent person to ever write a novel. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:43:41 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: FW: [idealcopy] (ot) long books, long threads & Ellroy ... > >> CR (current read) Native Tongue - Carl Hiaasen a delight full read from a delightful author [oh my, but he is a journalist and genre writer and very likely has an editor as well - i guess it isn't LITERATURE] hiaasen's sole weak book [imo] was striptease which was made into an even weaker movie on the other hand 'lucky you' and 'tourist season' are brilliant - 'tourist season' for the title alone Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: long thread ... > Tired as I am of this thread ... I agree - let's get back to mulletts Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:47:30 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: long thread In a message dated 10/9/02 3:46:05 PM Central Daylight Time, rayographique@yahoo.com writes: << > Tired as I am of this thread ... I agree - let's get back to mulletts >> yes...you can never get tired of that... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:55:36 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: FW: [idealcopy] (ot) long books, long threads & Ellroy On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 01:43:41PM -0700, rayographique wrote: > ... > > > >> CR (current read) Native Tongue - Carl Hiaasen > > a delight full read from a delightful author > > [oh my, but he is a journalist and genre writer and > very likely has an editor as well - i guess it isn't > LITERATURE] > > hiaasen's sole weak book [imo] was striptease which > was made into an even weaker movie I just read one of his, "Basket Case". Thoroughly enjoyed it. I can see why Christopher Brookmyre is accused of ripping him off so much now. :) (Christoper Brookmyre's are also a lot of fun; not particularly serious, though "Quite Ugly One Morning" is more than slightly gruesome in parts. Kind-of semi-comic crime fiction...) - - Andrew, vehemently offtopic once again. - -- "Drowning in the big swim, rising to the surface..." - - Wire, 'Lowdown' ("Pink Flag") adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:59:44 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: long thread > >>I agree - let's get back to mulletts > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More<< I'm happy to discuss Mullets, but I draw the line at Faith Hill. Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:00:52 -0700 (PDT) From: eduardo jaimez Subject: [none] >I wonder if any of the new intake of listees who >posted after the US >tour >dates are still with us? Hello, Im new to the list, great info. I attended the Austin, Texas show; the last date on their N American tour I believe. BTW Does anybody know if there was any merchandise for sale at any of their other American dates such as t-shirts? All they had here was copies of their last Read and Burn. Would like to know where I could get one of those cool grey Wire shirts like the kind the band were sporting that night. thanks, - -Ed Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:01:33 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: [idealcopy] (ot) long books, long threads & Ellroy > > hiaasen's sole weak book [imo] was striptease which > > was made into an even weaker movie<< A spectacularly bad movie, even by the diusmal standards of its leading actress.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:20:22 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: long thread > > >>I agree - let's get back to mulletts > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More<< > > I'm happy to discuss Mullets, but I draw the line at Faith Hill. > > Mark ;-) I think it sounds a really nice place ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:27:08 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Short Books/the Cure > > Perhaps we should all submit a chart that has 154 in the top 3 - to give it > > half a chance of sneaking in at no 97? > > Ballot-stuffing? Surely not. Looks like! > Anyway, I'd already voted (154 at 5) by the time I saw this post. Come on then Andrew. Share it with us... Keith NP Yeah Yeah Yeahs - US Radio session ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:39:31 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] You can't hear the words! Tim... > I rarely pay attention to lyrics unless they are exceptionally good (or > bad), I always focus right in on the music (unless its a band like The Fall > where the lyrics are such an essential component of the enjoyment... > Anyone else have this sort of 'lyric-deafness'?. Absolutely. Unless they're really bad and then they piss me off... > As for lyrics, the more nonsensical and vague the better. Kidney Bingoes is > yer benchmark here. This is where a couple of my heroes come into their own! Bolan - oh where do I start here! OK, my personal ridiculous fave... "I've got a powder keg leg and my wigs all pooped for you". And Cope in the latter days of the Teardrops - the infamous... "I'm still standing in a pickle jar on a paper carpet". That's what I want from lyrics. You can stick your Bob bloody Dylan and all 'that nonsense' up yer Jacksy! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:58:26 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] You can't hear the words! > Hence an album where the words are purposefully masked (REM's Murmur for > example) sounds no different to, say, Television's Marquee Moon. Funnily enough I like MM lyrically... > > "Hey Little Tomboy....Time to turn into a girl" (Beach Boys)<< > > That's almost certainly a Mike Love special. Possibly one of the most odious > individuals ever involved with a great group. Is there anyone out there who likes Mike Love? Anyone at all? Bill? > My personal Cranberries > "fave" was not the one about the tanks and the bombs but teh one that started > thus: > > "This morning something happened to me > As I was having my cup of tea" > > Find a worse lyric than THAT! The funny thing is if Morrissey sang it, it'd be great! On a similar theme, a fave of mine is from ABC... "Don't complain, mustn't grumble help yourself to another piece of apple crumble"! Worthy of Eat It ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:24:53 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Short Books/the Cure On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 10:27:08PM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > > > Perhaps we should all submit a chart that has 154 in the top 3 - to give > it > > > half a chance of sneaking in at no 97? > > > > Ballot-stuffing? Surely not. > > Looks like! > > > Anyway, I'd already voted (154 at 5) by the time I saw this post. > > Come on then Andrew. Share it with us... If I must. Radiohead - The Bends / Pixies - Surfer Rosa / Mogwai - Young Team / Massive Attack - Mezzanine / Wire - 154 / REM - Murmur / Radiohead - OK Computer / The Smiths - The Queen is Dead / My Bloody Valentine - Loveless / Nirvana - In Utero, if I remember correctly, which I may not - I have a suspicion I have the order of the last two wrong, and I can't remember if I decided to put Unknown Pleasures in for one of them... it was very close down there, along with DJ Shadow's "Endtroducing", Kraftwerk's "Trans-Europe Express", Boards of Canada's "Music has the Right to Children", and Bob Dylan's "Bringin' It All Back Home" actually.. I don't claim this to be any measure of merit, but these are all albums I've listened to in excess of fifty times each, I think... in many cases, somewhat more than that. As for Radiohead's "The Bends" - well, it was the album that turned me on to music. I'm not really rational about talking about Radiohead's music, for that reason: it's tied up with a lot of other stuff in my life, so I find it hard to be objective. - - Andrew - -- "Burn down the disco, hang the blessed DJ, because the music that they constantly play says nothing to me about my life" - Smiths, "Panic" (single) adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:57:31 -0600 From: Rick Mower Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Was blank but know still with it eduardo jaimez wrote: >>I wonder if any of the new intake of listees who >>posted after the US >>tour >>dates are still with us? >> Hello, I started watching the list just a few weeks before the show. And I am still here just been quiet and doin the lurking thing. I went to the Denver show even though I live in Saalt Lake City and it was worth it. I would really like to see them again and can't wait for the new read and burns to be released. well I have to go. Rick Watch take care ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:06:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] You can't hear the words! >>> Hence an album where the words are purposefully masked (REM's Murmur for > example) sounds no different to, say, Television's Marquee Moon. Funnily enough I like MM lyrically...<< Didn't say I didn't - but there's so much going on the vocals ae very secondary - just adding to the general mood of edginess... > > >Is there anyone out there who likes Mike Love? > > Anyone at all? > > Bill?<< Not even our Mr Rowland could be THAT perverse. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:10:51 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: long thread In a message dated 10/9/02 2:12:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > > >>I agree - let's get back to mulletts > > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More<< > > > > I'm happy to discuss Mullets, but I draw the line at Faith Hill. > > > > Mark ;-) > > I think it sounds a really nice place ; ) > yeah! i'd like to draw lines all over Faith Hill.....with chocolate sauce or ice cubes.... oops...sorry. RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:53:47 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: tour goods the t-shirts were on sale in chicago and silly me - i neglected to buy one [i have too many shirts anyway was the stupid thought process at the time] of course the next morning i awoke and thought 'stupid git - you really DID want one] anyways i don't see them at pinkflag/posteverything so i guess they are what everyone loves... [the rfh pinkplag t's are evidently still available as well as the little flags themselves] the recent shirts really were nice...oh well welcome to the fold Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:01:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: tour goods Actually, at the risk of major flak, I really thought those shirts were boring. I have (more than) my share of bandwear, but the grey Wire shirts struck me as too "insurance/high-tech company" to get me interested in them. However, the graphics and images Wire has used on their albums and such were never interesting to me. So you can ingest those comments with that grain of salt. > the t-shirts were on sale in chicago > and silly me - i neglected to buy one > [i have too many shirts anyway was the stupid > thought > process at the time] > of course the next morning i awoke and thought > 'stupid > git - you really DID want one] ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:48:46 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: tour goods no major fak here - that was my first impression well not real exciting anyways but by the end of the evening the design's simplicity grew on me [or maybe it was the stunning models - NOT] - --- Santa Cruzer wrote: > Actually, at the risk of major flak, I really > thought > those shirts were boring. I... > ===== > Rick Hindman, 3R Productions > PO Box 7770 > Santa Cruz, CA 95062 > t: (831) 425-7335 > f: (831) 425-7356 > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com SO - You are now producing Faith Hill? And you question Wire's aesthetics? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #346 *******************************