From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #343 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, October 8 2002 Volume 05 : Number 343 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] (ot)long books [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man ["Fergus Kelly" ] RE: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man/Lopushansky/OMD ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man/Lopushansky/OMD [Bart van Damme <] [idealcopy] Granny Smith ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Say Again, Colin? ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Bilge Pump Erase Errata ["Bill Hick" ] Fw: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man/Lopushansky/OMD ["Jan Noorda" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Re: Long Books ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Granny Smith [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] The French ["Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] (ot)long books The other evening on a radio 4 arts prog. erstwhile lister Michael Faber's new book was given a glowing review. However what pinned my ears back was when the reviewer pronounced his name as Me-shell Faber anyone know if Michael is indeed 'Me-shell'? help me avoid an embarrassing social faux-pas A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:48:17 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Re: Long Books Dan... > << remind me to go buy a ouija board so i can inform hemingway (whom i have no > interest in, but so it goes), clifford d simak, cm kornbluth, fredric brown > & no doubt scads of other newspapermen-turned-novelists of that fact. >> > > Like I said newspaper reporting is not novel writing. Or we would not call > them novelists. We would just call them all newspaper reporters. > > Alexander You're right. Newspaper reporting is not novel writing. No-one is saying that. Dan was just pointing out there are numerous novelists who have turned author over the years. Given that, presumably there is some connection. They're writers who turn from one medium to another. Of course, this may have always been the plan with some (I'm pretty sure that Graham Green for example just worked as a journalist until his novel writing could support him). Noawadays, you can add a couple of former top NME writers to the journo-turned-novelist list - Julie Burchill (though the one novel I read of hers was pretty shit) and Tony Parsons who now seems to have re-created himself as the caring 'new man' (and become one of the most commercially successful novelists in the UK in the process). Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:56:45 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Bob Cobbing RIP Bob Cobbing Robert Sheppard Monday October 7, 2002 The Guardian Bob Cobbing, who has died aged 82, was the major exponent of concrete, visual and sound poetry in Britain. Long after its international heyday in the 1960s, he continued to produce visual texts that were also scores for performance, many of them published as booklets by his Writers' Forum press, and launched at its associated workshop, which has been meeting in private houses and rooms above pubs since 1954. His work appears in many anthologies. Born in Enfield, Cobbing was brought up within that close religious group, the Plymouth Brethren. His family ran a sign-writing business. It is tempting to see this as presaging his later work, but it was probably the Brethren's work ethic and single-mindedness that left a lasting impact. During the second world war he was a conscientious objector. Educated at Enfield Grammar School, he trained as an accountant, and then as a schoolteacher at Bognor Training College. He began his life-long engagement with arts organising in the mid-1950s, with Group H and And magazine in Hendon, which grew into Writers Forum. After leaving teaching in the early 1960s, he managed the famous underground shop Better Books in London's Charing Cross Road, venue of many readings and happenings of the "bomb culture", as his colleague and early Writers Forum poet Jeff Nuttall called those heady days. He was a founding member and vice president of the Association of Little Presses, a self-help organisation for poet-publishers like himself. In the 1970s, he convened Poets Conference, which campaigned for the modernisation of the post of Laureate. He served on the council of the Poetry Society, during a turbulent period in its history marked by poetry wars between the mainstream and experimentalists like himself. Cobbing was awarded a Civil List pension, a fact he never publicised, and which might be a surprise to both of the warring factions. Between 1963 and 2002 Writers' Forum published more than 1,000 pamphlets and books, many of them his own work, but he was also generous as a publisher to younger writers, such as Lee Harwood and Maggie O'Sullivan. He issued texts by John Cage and AllenGinsberg, and by fellow concrete poets, such Frenchman Pierre Garnier and Italian Arrigo Lora-Totino, both of whom were guests at the workshop in the 1990s. Cobbing's entry into the world of concrete poetry came in 1964, with the writing of his alphabetical sequence ABC In Sound. Although he claimed the texts derived from auditory hallucinations during a bout of 'flu, its use of puns, foreign languages, palindromes and technical jargon suggests elaborate craftsmanship. The text beginning: "Tan tandinanan tandinane/Tanan tandina tandinane" already suggests a chanting performance, which it received when Cobbing was given access to the BBC Radiophonic Workshop with its battery of special effects. Owning the means of production (the office duplicator, the photocopier) meant that Cobbing could conflate the processes of writing, design and printing. Performing regularly meant that he could heal the split in concrete poetry between those who presented silent icons, most famously Ian Hamilton Finlay, and those who developed the art of pure sound, such as Henri Chopin. Cobbing's anagrammatic title Sonic Icons was emblematic. As his texts became progressively freer, any mark - whether letter-shape, lip imprint, or inkblot - was readable as a sign on the page. Shape and texture suggested vocalisation and sound to Cobbing and the performers he increasingly worked with during the 1970s, such as musicians Paul Burwell and David Toop, and poets Paula Claire and Bill Griffiths. Moaning, sighing, shouting, even sneezing, became as common as words or phonetics. In recent years, new collaborators became crucial to his work: the anarchic thrash noise ensemble of Bird Yak (Hugh Metcalfe on guitar and amplified gas mask, veteran improviser Lol Coxhill on saxophone, and his wife Jennifer, dancing); or the extraordinary series of 300 booklets written with Lawrence Upton, Domestic Ambient Noise, across which the two writers processed and re-arranged the other's work. Aesthetically uncompromising, and repellent to some, Cobbing's language experiments could also be fun - as his work with schoolchildren testified. He remained alert to the weird linguistic detritus he found everywhere. A late text plays changes upon Liz Lockhead's contention that "A good fuck makes me feel like custard". Who could resist Cobbing's rejoinders that "a good screw makes me feel like wet blancmange" or "a little lechery makes me feel like spotted dick"? From his hospital bed, he was still issuing instructions about the latest edition of And. There are plans to continue the press and the workshop. He is survived by his wife, Jennifer Pike, and three sons and two daughters from previous marriages. 7 Bob Cobbing, poet and publisher, born July 30 1920; died September 29 2002. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:13:17 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man This may be a bit of a long shot, but can anyone help me out with this: A Russian film called Letters From A Dead Man, made by a student of Tarkovsky, shown on Channel 4 circa summer of '88, never seen again... did anyone see this at the time, or subsequently, and by any chance remember the filmmakers name, or, know where I could track it down, or, better still, did anyone tape it ? Fergus _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:32:07 EDT From: bsajrisin3@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Re: Long Books Touche! as to my needing a man, while I will admit to a strong preference towards the male, the generic descriptive "man" is a driftnet that rarely leads to a good catch (just to drag the fishy-thing too far...) ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:15:36 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IC (OT) Music To Sell Things By Coincidentally, the Guardian's readers' editor responded today to a comment from a reader that the paper did not cover the ferry disaster in any detail - just a couple of references en passant - whereas if it had been in e.g. the US it would have had major coverage. He found that the reasons were partly the difficulty in getting info from the site (not many UK journalists in Senegal), partly the 'third world disaster' syndrome and partly the fact that few readers would have relatives affected (unlike say the Australian bushfires). But on the evidence below the world is now interconnected in all sorts of ways. Sympathies, Bart. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart van Damme > > Speaking of Africa, the ferry disaster in Senegal also took the lives of a > brother a sister from Groningen of whom the girl frequently worked in the > Vera club [where Wire will be playing in november]. The two also were > friends of my girlfriends family. > > All of a sudden I seem to be the messenger of lots of bad news here... > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:36:37 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Re: Long Books (women SF writers) Sf didn't have many published women writers until the 60s (although interestingly Leigh Brackett, one of the few, is mentioned below - I'd recommend CL Moore too). Ursula LeGuin is a colossus in the genre - The Left Hand of Darkness and The Dispossessed are must reads, as is the Earthsea series if you're into wizard fantasy for younger readers. If you're looking for a shorter introduction LeGuin's short stories are often top notch. I'd also recommend Connie Willis who has won more awards than anyone in the history of SF. She's published a handful of novels (Doomsday Book and Passage are the best) but her short stories are often top-notch and very varied - Even The Queen is a hilarious exploration of a world where menstruation is no longer an issue, At the Rialto mixes quantum physics with screwball comedy and All My Darling Daughters is a genuinely disturbing piece on the lengths men will go to for sexual kicks. Another author who deals with the latter is Alice Sheldon, who wrote mainly as James Tiptree Jr. Tiptree's work is up there with the greatest SF IMO. For a number of years (late 60s/ early 70s) no-one knew who Tiptree was and interestingly almost no-one recognised she was a women - and a women in her 60s at that. She wrote almost exclusively short fiction / novellas - her few novels are relatively sub-standard. About 20 of these stories are up there with the greats - e.g. Houston, Houston Do You Read, The Women Men Don't See, A Momentary Taste of Being and I Awoke and Found Me Here on The Cold Hill's Side. All now difficult to get hold of outside small press reprints, but if you're interested in SF's possibilities, especially in the context of male/female relationships there's no-one better. Sheldon - who used to work for the CIA - shot herself in the late 70s in a suicide pact with her terminally ill husband. One hell of a woman. One hell of a writer. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: dan bailey To: ideal copy Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Re: Long Books > kate wilhelm (though the last few years she seems to have turned exclusively > to mysteries, where two of my favorite authors happens to be women -- sharyn > mccrumb & lia matera) can be added as well. pamela sargent has done some > good work, if memory serves, & so have suzy mckee charnas & suzette haden > elgin (though i'm biased in her favor because, last i looked, she was still > in nw arkansas). octavia butler certainly has earned a lot of praise, but i > can't say i've read her (i'd *envy* a backlog of only 5 years, i'm sorry to > report). > > dan > > > >leigh brackett > >ursula leguin > >not my cuppa - but ms brackett's noir efforts were > >very nice indeed > >> ////i was actually going to ask out loud if there > >> were any great female > >> writers in the SF world as this is not my thing at > >> all. i've read and enjoyed > >> about 3 by william gibson but that's about it , i'm > >> always guilty of buying > >> more books than i ever get time to read and with the > >> current backlog at about > >> 5 years (given the rate i go through them at > >> present) i don't think i'll be > >> exploring many new genres in the near future. > >> brilliant as i'm sure some of > >> them are , these 800 pagers scare me off purely on a > >> time basis. p > >Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > >http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:40:50 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Re: Long Books Did it for A Level. What a great book. Been meaning to reread it but for the usual reasons... another the Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf ? To The Lighthouse everyone ! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:39:33 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Re: Long Books Ah, so it was Chris Spedding was it? I wondered what he'd been up to since the mid-70s. Played with John Cale in a great pre-punk leathers and twin guitars tour in 1975. Good solo album around that time too - Get Out My Pagoda! another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: dan bailey To: ideal copy > "SOME writers" being able to produce their work entirely solo wasn't the > opening salvo in this one ... it was the blanket statement (along with the > assertion that chris spedding is secretly writing all of stephen king's > books, or something like that). that "Any writer ... who needs an editor > should be > de-published." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 20:43:40 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man/Lopushansky > This may be a bit of a long shot, but can anyone help me out with this: > > A Russian film called Letters From A Dead Man, made by a student of > Tarkovsky, shown on Channel 4 circa summer of '88, never seen again... did > anyone see this at the time, or subsequently, and by any chance remember the > filmmakers name, or, know where I could track it down, or, better still, > did anyone tape it ? Fergus, Google gave me: Konstantion Lopushansky, USSR, 1986, 87 minutes http://www.eufs.org.uk/films/letters_from_a_dead_man.html Haven't seen this myself, but curious. I've always liked Tarkovsky's films enormously. It seems Lopushansky was an assistant on Tarkovsky's Stalker - one of my personal faves. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:00:54 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man Details can be found on the near infallible IMDB.com - http://www.imdb.com/Title?0091759. It's by Konstantin Lopushansky. Doesn't look like it's available to buy though. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Fergus Kelly To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 6:13 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man > This may be a bit of a long shot, but can anyone help me out with this: > > A Russian film called Letters From A Dead Man, made by a student of > Tarkovsky, shown on Channel 4 circa summer of '88, never seen again... did > anyone see this at the time, or subsequently, and by any chance remember the > filmmakers name, or, know where I could track it down, or, better still, > did anyone tape it ? > > Fergus > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:58:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] ot:books:wimin sci fi writers wot abaaat Marion Zimmer Bradley ???I think her Mists of Avalon is wunerful.Ari Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:05:26 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man/Lopushansky/OMD Haven't seen this myself, but curious. I've always liked Tarkovsky's films enormously. It seems Lopushansky was an assistant on Tarkovsky's Stalker - one of my personal faves. Bart /////////////////////// Bart, Have you heard a B side by OMD called The Avenue? It samples Stalker at length using a scene from the movie for the basis of the rhythm. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:08:57 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Senegal > Sympathies, Bart. Thnx Keith, I'll pass 'em through. Strange story about the Guardian's readers' editor. He never heard of CNN, BBCnews or their .coms? These days news is hardly about just having a correspondent present. http://cnn.looksmart.com/r_search?l&izch&sites=cnn&qp=&key=senegal&search=0& qt=senegal Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:14:10 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man/Lopushansky/OMD > Have you heard a B side by OMD called The Avenue? It samples Stalker at > length using a scene from the movie for the basis of the rhythm. > > Eric in Toronto Eric, After their early Electricity I didn't like OMD very much, so no, I haven't heard this Eric, but I think it's an interesting idea anyway. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:58:25 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Granny Smith Could've rememberd wrong but I thought this quote was a joke coined by Ui bassist Sasha Frere-Jones from a review of the NYC Fall-Over gig in The Wire. Did MES actually ever say that? >>>i beleive the operative quote is: "If it's me and yer granny - it's The Fall" mes - - --- Bill Hick wrote: > That's not The Fall. > The Fall used to be a band. & it was 'yer granny on bongos'... Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:00:16 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Say Again, Colin? >>>What was kind of weird is that by 1980, there was that first general wave of post-punk bands. And some of them were influenced by Wire, but we weren't interested in why they did that. More interesting in hindsight are the American hardcore bands influenced by Pink Flag. Bands like Black Flag. And all those D.C. hardcore bands. More interesting in hindsight are the American hardcore bands influenced by Pink Flag. Bands like Black Flag. And all those D.C. hardcore bands. More interesting in hindsight are the American hardcore bands influenced by Pink Flag. Bands like Black Flag. And all those D.C. hardcore bands. More interesting in hindsight are the American hardcore bands influenced by Pink Flag. Bands like Black Flag. And all those D.C. hardcore bands. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:14:36 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Bilge Pump Erase Errata Last week I DJed at the Manchester gig on Erase Errata's UK tour. Erase Errata (the mighty) Bilge Pump (of Leeds 6) Valerie played between whom I managed to play a few tunes including: Kill Yourself - The Artist Butthole Surfers - Human Cannonball Fugazi - Full Disclosure WIRE - Nice Streets Gai/Jin - Mod Theme Elders of Zion - Dawn Refuses to Rise J*R - Davey Melt Banana - Creeps in a White Cake WIRE - Germ Ship Foetus - Quick Fix Los Sampler's - Demasiado Functional Merzbow - Gateway to Itabashi Faust remixed by Residents - T-Electronique (just before Valerie played) OOIOO - Be Sure To Loop Melt Banana - Neat Neat Neat Enon - Salty Oxes - Boss Kitty (faded out as Bilge Pump took the stage) Dead Kennedys - MTV Get Off The Air Killing Joke - Pssyche Black Flag - I Won't Stick any of you unless and until I can stick all of you Replicator - (no more) salted beef (just before Erase Errata played) Butthole Surfers - Sweatloaf Liars - Tumbling Walls Buried Me in the Debris with ESG WIRE - Read and Burn Shellac - Fuck with you in a minute Space Streakings - Nohten Chiyyoka Hyper Love Melt Banana - Planet Q / Warp Back Spin / Third Attack Xinlisupreme - Murder Licence Ground Zero - TV-Q Missile Anyone else played any Read & Burn tracks loud in public places? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Bilge Pump - Let Me Breathe (www.diskant.net/gringo) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:34:47 -0000 From: "Jan Noorda" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man/Lopushansky/OMD > I have a ceedee with the soundtrack pieces made by Edward Artemyev for the > films Solaris, the Mirror and Stalker. > Yes indeed Tarkovsky died to early. I have seen all his movies till sofar. I > believe there are five big ones and some academy movies. > > Jan in Leeuwarden > > > > > Have you heard a B side by OMD called The Avenue? It samples Stalker at > > > length using a scene from the movie for the basis of the rhythm. > > > > > > Eric in Toronto > > > > > > Eric, > > > > After their early Electricity I didn't like OMD very much, so no, I > haven't > > heard this Eric, but I think it's an interesting idea anyway. > > > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:53:06 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bilge Pump Erase Errata In a message dated 10/7/02 2:18:07 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: << Killing Joke - Pssyche >> i bet this was a joy to play and hear on a loud system....one of my favorite Killing Joke tracks of all time....a shame it was only available as a b-side to Wardance...although the live version on the compilation (the name of which escapes me at the moment) is pretty good as well... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:44:06 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] British Sea Power UK dates Anyone fancy Oxford, I could be on my own :-( AndyL >> >> For anyone that's interested (and they're well worth a look) >> here's details >> of BSP's new tour >> >> another the Keith >> >> BRITISH SEA POWER >> >> Oct 14 Liverpool University Tel: 01512 565 555 >> Oct 15 Oxford Zodiac Tel: 01865 420 042 >> Oct 20 Colchester Arts Centre Tel: 01206 500 900 >> Oct 21 Cardiff Barfly Tel: 08709 070 999 >> Oct 22 Manchester Night & Day Tel: 01618 321 111 >> Oct 23 Glasgow King Tut's Tel: 01132 443 446 >> Oct 25 Leicester Arts Centre Tel: 01162 554 854 >> Oct 26 Brighton Pavillion Tel: 01273 709 709 >> Oct 28 Southampton Joiners Tel: 02380 225 612 >> Oct 29 London 93 Feet East Tel: 020 7344 0044 >> Oct 30 Bristol Louisianna Tel: 01179 299 008 >> Oct 21 Sheffield Barfly Tel: 01142 203 618 >> >> Tickets prices vary. Check with venue for details. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Say Again, Colin? You bored Bill? Bill Hick wrote:>>>What was kind of weird is that by 1980, there was that first general wave of post-punk bands. And some of them were influenced by Wire, but we weren't interested in why they did that. More interesting in hindsight are the American hardcore bands influenced by Pink Flag. Bands like Black Flag. And all those D.C. hardcore bands. More interesting in hindsight are the American hardcore bands influenced by Pink Flag. Bands like Black Flag. And all those D.C. hardcore bands. More interesting in hindsight are the American hardcore bands influenced by Pink Flag. Bands like Black Flag. And all those D.C. hardcore bands. More interesting in hindsight are the American hardcore bands influenced by Pink Flag. Bands like Black Flag. And all those D.C. hardcore bands. Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:00:19 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Re: Long Books > Ah, so it was Chris Spedding was it? I wondered what he'd been up to since > the mid-70s. Played with John Cale in a great pre-punk leathers and twin > guitars tour in 1975. Good solo album around that time too - Get Out My > Pagoda! > > another the Keith Jesting apart, Spedding has continued to work with Bryan Ferry. IIRC He played with the reformed Roxy Music last year. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 00:25:38 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot:books:wimin sci fi writers That's another of those bloody big books staring from the shelf. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ari Britt To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: [idealcopy] ot:books:wimin sci fi writers > wot abaaat Marion Zimmer Bradley ???I think her Mists of Avalon is wunerful.Ari > > Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more > faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 00:35:56 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man/Lopushansky/OMD Although I respect Tarkovsky and can conjure up some astonishing images from his films in my mind, I've never managed to sit through an entire film without falling asleep. It took me three viewings of Solaris to see it all. An interesting thing about Tarkovsky is how he used to complain about the Soviet system not allowing him to make films. What he never seemed to appreciate is that his films would hardly have been easy to make anywhere. If he'd been a Brit we probably wouldn't have got half of them and he'd have ended up making guff about teenage Northern boys who want to become ballet dancers. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Noorda To: Ideal Copy Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man/Lopushansky/OMD > > I have a ceedee with the soundtrack pieces made by Edward Artemyev for the > > films Solaris, the Mirror and Stalker. > > Yes indeed Tarkovsky died to early. I have seen all his movies till sofar. > I > > believe there are five big ones and some academy movies. > > > > Jan in Leeuwarden > > > > > > > > Have you heard a B side by OMD called The Avenue? It samples Stalker > at > > > > length using a scene from the movie for the basis of the rhythm. > > > > > > > > Eric in Toronto > > > > > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > After their early Electricity I didn't like OMD very much, so no, I > > haven't > > > heard this Eric, but I think it's an interesting idea anyway. > > > > > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 00:29:53 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Senegal He also said that none of the other UK papers did much more with the story (although he wasn't using this as an excuse). It's a news values thing I guess. We'd rather read about celebrity than tragedies in far off places - or at least that's what editors believe - even in serious papers like the Guardian. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart van Damme To: wire-news Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Senegal > > Sympathies, Bart. > > > Thnx Keith, I'll pass 'em through. > > Strange story about the Guardian's readers' editor. He never heard of > CNN, BBCnews or their .coms? These days news is hardly about just having a > correspondent present. > http://cnn.looksmart.com/r_search?l&izch&sites=cnn&qp=&key=senegal&search=0& > qt=senegal > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:52:14 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Granny Smith >>Could've rememberd wrong but I thought this quote was a joke coined by Ui bassist Sasha Frere-Jones from a review of the NYC Fall-Over gig in The Wire. Did MES actually ever say that?<< According to Stewart Lee's sleeve notes for A Past Gone Mad... "Soon after a thrilling April '98 London gig backed only by keyboards, drums and ballet dancer Michael Clarke waving a wooden chair, Smith countered "Listen if it's me and your Granny on bongos, it's The Fall!". " Hadn't heard the story that it was a hoax... You could always ask him. he seems a nice approachable chap ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:52:59 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] The French Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:20:52 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Punk's Beginings > In fact, punk was french first : http://members.aol.com/and125/punks.htm > > Well they did give us Metal Urbain did they not ? Yes, they certainly did. One of so many things from France I'm so happy for, including having inspired this standard response to the question "What's wrong with the French?" (which no one here coughed up at the time) "They're French." Robert (another the) *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:57:18 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The French >>Well they did give us Metal Urbain did they not ?<< Whose back catalogue (inc. Metal Boys and Dr Mix) is about to be reissued on CD. And about time too.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:42:26 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Long Books I don't know that I'll ever be bright enough to read "Ulysses" (though perhaps it's time to give it a whirl); the more I find out about Proust he seems simply tedious (was he doing more than elegantly telling us how dead and bored he was? should I bother?); I haven't read "Ada" yet but I've found Nabokov always brilliant (an amazing writer, and English wasn't even his first language); but the longest thing I've ever read, Solzhenitsyn's "The Gulag Archipeligo,"--three volumes, about 800 pages each--is one best, most rewarding books I've ever read. Some things need a lot of pages. Robert (another the) *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 19:47:42 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Short Books/the Cure >and what was the first single,was it 'object'?Ari >It was Killing An Arab, Ari. Don't forget, 10:15 Saturday Night was the A side to that one. Fall of 78' I think- paulye154 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:49:14 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] women SF writers (was Re: Long Books) >Another author who deals with the latter is Alice Sheldon, >who wrote mainly as James Tiptree Jr. Tiptree's work is up >there with the greatest SF IMO. 8< snip >8 >Sheldon - who >used to work for the CIA - shot herself in the late 70s in a suicide pact >with her terminally ill husband. One hell of a woman. One hell of a >writer. > I knew that Alice Sheldon was James Tiptree Jr., but I'd never heard what happened to her. At one point in time, I worked in a used bookstore, and managed to acquire a few of her books and short stories. I concur - excellent writer. Thanks for the information! Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:14:55 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Loud in this public place > Anyone else played any Read & Burn tracks loud in public places? Well, I did have the windows wide open the other day... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:24:15 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man/Lopushansky > Yes indeed Tarkovsky died to early. I have seen all his movies till sofar. I > believe there are five big ones and some academy movies. He made seven feature films of wich Ivan's Childhood is the only one I haven't seen yet. Some I still must have on video somewhere. http://www.cinematheque.bc.ca/archives/ja98tark.html Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:58:18 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Letters From A Dead Man/Lopushansky > Although I respect Tarkovsky and can conjure up some astonishing images from > his films in my mind, I've never managed to sit through an entire film > without falling asleep. It took me three viewings of Solaris to see it all. Hehe... the only Russian film I really fell asleep with was Aleksandr Sokurov's Madame Bovary. Made Tarkovskyfilms seem like the Marx Brothers. > An interesting thing about Tarkovsky is how he used to complain about the > Soviet system not allowing him to make films. What he never seemed to > appreciate is that his films would hardly have been easy to make anywhere. Though not easy to make at all [Tarkovsky was dying, supervising the editing from his hospital bed]. The Sacrifice was made in Sweden with members of Ingmar Bergman's team, including cinematographer Sven Nykvist and actor Erland Josephson [who also played in Nostalghia earlier]. There was a really wonderfull documentary made about making The Sacrifice. > If he'd been a Brit we probably wouldn't have got half of them and he'd have > ended up making guff about teenage Northern boys who want to become ballet > dancers. Perhaps Keith, Solaris itself is a bit to blame here. Imo certainly not his most interesting film. His last three films Stalker, Nostalghia and The Sacrifice are much much better. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:14:49 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Granny Smith "Bill" I'm sure I remember this was from an interview with MES way back when...Interviewer asks 'what is the definitive Fall line-up?' MES replies 'if it's me and yr granny on bongos...it's the Fall regards A > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Hick [mailto:umur_ot@hotmail.com] > Sent: 07 October 2002 19:58 > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] Granny Smith > > > Could've rememberd wrong > but I thought this quote > was a joke coined by Ui bassist > Sasha Frere-Jones > from a review of the NYC Fall-Over gig > in The Wire. > Did MES actually ever say that? > > >>>i beleive the operative quote is: > "If it's me and yer granny - it's The Fall" > mes > - --- Bill Hick wrote: > > That's not The Fall. > > The Fall used to be a band. > > & it was 'yer granny on bongos'... > > Cracked Machine > Highly Irregular Cyberzine > http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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