From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #337 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, October 3 2002 Volume 05 : Number 337 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Langley School [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire man spotted at Sigur Ros gig [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire man spotted at Sigur Ros gig [Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] Langley School The Langley School project choir opened the RFH Terry Edwards free gig I missed them...I guess they came on early so they could get home for bedtime. Bruce thought they were 'sweet' later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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A (who's got his tickets for the Antwerp gig) > > > As there don't appear to be any Belgians on this list, it > falls to me to > defend their honour in the face of this slight on their > character, not least > because my wife is a quarter Belgian but mainly because any > country with > great beer, chocolate, suburbs (every house is different in a suburban > street, which makes the UK for one look pretty drab in > comparison ), chips > with mayonnaise, mussels and Plastic Bertrand deserves to be > recognised. > > another the Keith > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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First name was Gladys - she got rapped over the knuckles by her first piano teacher for putting 'twiddly bits' into the classics - then made a career out of this after Billy Cotton (bandleader) discovered her. She died in about '78, so failed to cash in on post-punk. Re this Langley park thing - not heard it, but it puts me in mind of the Shaggs, who I think have come up here before. Teenage girls, unable to sing or play properly, in recording studio paid for by rich Daddy. Results are fun or funny, depending on viewpoint, but not the sort of thing you could listen to on 'repeat'. There was a classical equivalent in (I think) the thirties called Florence Foster Jenkins - a rich New Yorker who thought she could sing, and hired the Carnegie hall to show conclusively that she couldn't. Her version of that Mozart Nightingale thing gets played on the radio quite a lot. She sang sharp as well as flat, which is quite difficult to do - and played to packed houses. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:45:31 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Belgian mannekens! Keith [another the] > As there don't appear to be any Belgians on this list No, but both Miles and I have proper Belgian names. And our friend Glenn used to live there for some time. > because any country with > great beer, chocolate, suburbs (every house is different in a suburban > street, which makes the UK for one look pretty drab in > comparison ), chips with mayonnaise, mussels and Plastic Bertrand deserves > to be recognised. Don't forget Tintin, dEUS [& co... how was Dead Man Ray Jan?] and most of of all my very own halfwit uncle Jean Claude! Also, on topic again, [and as I've said earlier] "Mannequin" is derived from the Flemish "manneken" [little man]. Alistair: > (who's got his tickets for the Antwerp gig) Antwerp must be the greatest city of the low countries! [wich hotel did you choose Alistair?] Bart [van Damme - the muscles from ehm... Groningen! Darn, doesn't rhyme] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 02:49:22 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mrs Mills/Shaggs -OT half to differ on a few of these assessments 1. mrs miller - it is difficult to sing quite so consistantly off key and warble so precicely wrong i think there is deliberation in the work 2. the shaggs - somewhat like the langley project, the charm portion comes from the total naiveness of the wiggins sisters - that and the level of musical communication which reminds me of a conversation between my sisters-in-law. it has a family type logic all of it's own. the father while indulgent (as only a father of daughters can truly understand) was not, i think, really wealthy. i liken them to an american primitive painting. the reissue on cd was a happy moment for me and it DOES get repeated listens - OK not as much as wire, but little does the langley project is indeed all about grade school kids singing the popular canon of their day - the 'appeal' is in the 70s retro nostalgia and sound of young voices - not my cup as to florence foster jenkins - i think rich and talentless covers it - --- HowardJSpencer@aol.com wrote: > I raised the subject of Mrs Mills here a while back > - was trying to get her > into the Dictionary of National Biography (on which > I was working until last > Monday). You'll all be pleased to know that I found > someone to write on her. > First name was Gladys - she got rapped over the > knuckles by her first piano > teacher for putting 'twiddly bits' into the classics > - then made a career out > of this after Billy Cotton (bandleader) discovered > her. She died in about > '78, so failed to cash in on post-punk. > > Re this Langley park thing - not heard it, but it > puts me in mind of the > Shaggs, who I think have come up here before. > Teenage girls, unable to sing > or play properly, in recording studio paid for by > rich Daddy. Results are > fun or funny, depending on viewpoint, but not the > sort of thing you could > listen to on 'repeat'. > > There was a classical equivalent in (I think) the > thirties called Florence > Foster Jenkins - a rich New Yorker who thought she > could sing, and hired the > Carnegie hall to show conclusively that she > couldn't. Her version of that > Mozart Nightingale thing gets played on the radio > quite a lot. She sang sharp > as well as flat, which is quite difficult to do - > and played to packed houses. > > Howard New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 03:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America As Arthur Dent would say 'oh,........Belgium!'.......Ari Keith Knight wrote:As there don't appear to be any Belgians on this list, it falls to me to defend their honour in the face of this slight on their character, not least because my wife is a quarter Belgian but mainly because any country with great beer, chocolate, suburbs (every house is different in a suburban street, which makes the UK for one look pretty drab in comparison ), chips with mayonnaise, mussels and Plastic Bertrand deserves to be recognised. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ari Britt To: ; Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America > ari wrote > > > Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America > September 24, 2002 > By Phil Lebovits > > > > > Spurred by reports of an aggressive military build-up and failure to reign in corporate terrorists, the government of Belgium is pressing for a preemptive strike against the regime of George W. Bush. > > > "We cannot sit idly by and eat our delicious chocolates while the United States government engages in a policy of harassment," Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt said in a nationally-televised address to the Belgian people. "Now is the time for action. We cannot waffle." > > > Recent reports from Belgian intelligence sources indicate that the United States is now in possession of weapons of mass destruction - chemical, biological and nuclear. "We know that the United States has nuclear weapons and that they have actually used them in the past," intoned the Prime Minister." There is no reason to think they will not use them in the future." > > > Verhofstadt is insisting that United Nations weapon inspectors be given "unfettered access to the massive stockpiles" of weapons, and that they be destroyed immediately. > > > "We stand at the crossroads," pleaded Verhofstadt. "Either the United States agrees to our demands, or we will be forced to put down our delicious chocolates and lead the way for permanent regime change. Remember, my dear Walloons, the current clique in Washington was elected in direct contravention of the will of the American people. Regime change will be welcomed by their citizens." > > > Reaction to the speech throughout Europe was swift. "We stand with our Belgian brothers," offered French President Jacques Chirac. "France is willing to commit thirty-five troops and many cases of fine champagne to the cause. We cannot stand on the sidelines enjoying our delicious baguettes while our comrades from Antwerp go it alone. Let me assure the dear Prime Minister. France is with you, almost." > > > Russian President Vladimir Putin did not mince any words. "Again, it is the powerful Belgians who must lead the world against aggression and American hegemony. Russia stands with her European allies and insists that the United States disarm unilaterally. I only wish we too had delicious foods." > > > Following the speech, the mood at the White House was one of defiance. "Let the Belgians make their empty threats," said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer. "We are urging Hershey's and Mars and other fine American chocolate makers to increase their yummy output by two-hundred percent in the coming weeks. We intend to break up the evil-doing Belgian chocolate cartel once and for all." > > > Vice President Dick Cheney was even more bellicose. Speaking directly underneath Karl Rove from an undisclosed underground bunker, the Vice-President warned of dire consequences should Belgium make a preemptive strike. "We are prepared to strike back with alarming force," said Cheney. "The Belgians cannot bully us. They may be the world's only superpower, but we here in America have Allah on our side. To hell with their delicious chocolate treats." > > > Verhofstadt, while unyielding in tone and substance, did offer the Americans a plausible way out. "I call upon George W. Bush to capture Sheik Kenneth Lay, Imam Dennis Kozlowski, and the entire Worldcom terrorist organization, and to hand them over to an international tribunal. The United States can no longer harbor agents of terrorism. You are either with us or against us." > > > Back in Washington, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and National Security Advisor Condaleeza Rice were trying eagerly to persuade President Bush that there was indeed a country named Belgium. > > > > > ) 2001 - 2002 Democratic Underground, LLC > > > Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:05:27 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Michel Faber? > I'm in two minds about whether to commit time to a 800+ page novel > (especially given the amount of spare time I now spend here!). > Anyone out there going to read it / read it already? Not me, After a few major literary letdowns I can get myself to read these large volumes anymore. Simply don't have the time or don't want to MAKE time for it. Though I feel bad about these speedy times it DOES seem a bit silly investing so much time in an idea of someone. I'd sooner invest the larger bundles of time in my own ideas. Better go to a museum, hear a cd or watch a film... or indeed, join a list. But to tell you the truth, I sometimes quite miss the depth of reading a lot. Seems many of our lives are becoming more faster and magazine-like. Hmmm... better make it a good mag then! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:03:13 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire man spotted at Sigur Ros gig In a message dated 10/2/02 6:51:30 PM Central Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: << Bruce was sitting half a dozen rows behind me at last night's Sigur Ros gig at the Royal Festival Hall, although I ddin't have chance to accost him (presumably went to a different bar). >> yes...but what about COIL !? didn't they open for Sigur Ros? (of course it should have been the other way around)...maybe Bruce was there to see Coil and NOT Sigur Ros? RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:17:20 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire man spotted at Sigur Ros gig On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 10:03:13AM -0400, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/2/02 6:51:30 PM Central Daylight Time, > steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > > << Bruce was sitting half a dozen rows behind me at last night's Sigur Ros gig > at the Royal Festival Hall, although I ddin't have chance to accost him > (presumably went to a different bar). >> > > > yes...but what about COIL !? didn't they open for Sigur Ros? (of course it > should have been the other way around)...maybe Bruce was there to see Coil > and NOT Sigur Ros? Dunno Coil, but Sigur Ros are great, IMO. Maybe he wanted to see both? (What are Coil like?) - - Andrew - -- "Burn down the disco, hang the blessed DJ, because the music that they constantly play says nothing to me about my life" - Smiths, "Panic" (single) adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:20:23 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America I've weighed in on this before at Bart's expense. Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Keith Knight Sent: October 2, 2002 7:43 PM To: Ari Britt; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America As there don't appear to be any Belgians on this list, it falls to me to defend their honour in the face of this slight on their character, not least because my wife is a quarter Belgian but mainly because any country with great beer, chocolate, suburbs (every house is different in a suburban street, which makes the UK for one look pretty drab in comparison ), chips with mayonnaise, mussels and Plastic Bertrand deserves to be recognised. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ari Britt To: ; Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America > ari wrote > > > Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America > September 24, 2002 > By Phil Lebovits > > > > > Spurred by reports of an aggressive military build-up and failure to reign in corporate terrorists, the government of Belgium is pressing for a preemptive strike against the regime of George W. Bush. > > > "We cannot sit idly by and eat our delicious chocolates while the United States government engages in a policy of harassment," Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt said in a nationally-televised address to the Belgian people. "Now is the time for action. We cannot waffle." > > > Recent reports from Belgian intelligence sources indicate that the United States is now in possession of weapons of mass destruction - chemical, biological and nuclear. "We know that the United States has nuclear weapons and that they have actually used them in the past," intoned the Prime Minister." There is no reason to think they will not use them in the future." > > > Verhofstadt is insisting that United Nations weapon inspectors be given "unfettered access to the massive stockpiles" of weapons, and that they be destroyed immediately. > > > "We stand at the crossroads," pleaded Verhofstadt. "Either the United States agrees to our demands, or we will be forced to put down our delicious chocolates and lead the way for permanent regime change. Remember, my dear Walloons, the current clique in Washington was elected in direct contravention of the will of the American people. Regime change will be welcomed by their citizens." > > > Reaction to the speech throughout Europe was swift. "We stand with our Belgian brothers," offered French President Jacques Chirac. "France is willing to commit thirty-five troops and many cases of fine champagne to the cause. We cannot stand on the sidelines enjoying our delicious baguettes while our comrades from Antwerp go it alone. Let me assure the dear Prime Minister. France is with you, almost." > > > Russian President Vladimir Putin did not mince any words. "Again, it is the powerful Belgians who must lead the world against aggression and American hegemony. Russia stands with her European allies and insists that the United States disarm unilaterally. I only wish we too had delicious foods." > > > Following the speech, the mood at the White House was one of defiance. "Let the Belgians make their empty threats," said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer. "We are urging Hershey's and Mars and other fine American chocolate makers to increase their yummy output by two-hundred percent in the coming weeks. We intend to break up the evil-doing Belgian chocolate cartel once and for all." > > > Vice President Dick Cheney was even more bellicose. Speaking directly underneath Karl Rove from an undisclosed underground bunker, the Vice-President warned of dire consequences should Belgium make a preemptive strike. "We are prepared to strike back with alarming force," said Cheney. "The Belgians cannot bully us. They may be the world's only superpower, but we here in America have Allah on our side. To hell with their delicious chocolate treats." > > > Verhofstadt, while unyielding in tone and substance, did offer the Americans a plausible way out. "I call upon George W. Bush to capture Sheik Kenneth Lay, Imam Dennis Kozlowski, and the entire Worldcom terrorist organization, and to hand them over to an international tribunal. The United States can no longer harbor agents of terrorism. You are either with us or against us." > > > Back in Washington, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and National Security Advisor Condaleeza Rice were trying eagerly to persuade President Bush that there was indeed a country named Belgium. > > > > > ) 2001 - 2002 Democratic Underground, LLC > > > Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:20:16 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: FW: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America More.... From: Bob Hanley [mailto:hanley@invisible-college.net] Have you heard the latest on this issue? "After carefully reviewing the capabilities of the US military radar systems, it has been concluded that a pre-emptive strike against the US by Belgian chocolatiers would not be detected in time to thwart the attack. At this time, the US is most vulnerable to this sort of attack but the government is working closely with Hersheys on a defensive plan. Unfortunately for the US, Belgium's capabilities in this area are far superior, even though the US has a greater stockpile at their disposal. The quantity of US chocolate is no match for quality of Belgiums." ;-) ////////////// ari wrote Subject: Fw: Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:45:52 -0400 @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: .1in 1.0in .5in 1.0in; mso-header-margin: .5in; mso-footer-margin: .5in; mso-paper-source: 0; }P.MsoNormal { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal}LI.MsoNormal { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal}P.MsoBodyText { FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-paginatio! n: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold}LI.MsoBodyText { FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold}DIV.MsoBodyText { FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold}DIV.Section1 { page: Section1}To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:59 AMSubject: Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America September 24, 2002 By Phil Lebovits > Spurred by reports of an aggressive military build-up and failure to reign in corporate terrorists, the government of Belgium is pressing for a preemptive strike against the regime of George W. Bush. > "We cannot sit idly by and eat our delicious chocolates while the United States government engages in a policy of harassment," Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt said in a nationally-televised address to the Belgian people. "Now is the time for action. We cannot waffle." > Recent reports from Belgian intelligence sources indicate that the United States is now in possession of weapons of mass destruction - chemical, biological and nuclear. "We know that the United States has nuclear weapons and that they have actually used them in the past," intoned the Prime Minister." There is no reason to think they will not use them in the future." > Verhofstadt is insisting that United Nations weapon inspectors be given "unfettered access to the massive stockpiles" of weapons, and that they be destroyed immediately. > "We stand at the crossroads," pleaded Verhofstadt. "Either the United States agrees to our demands, or we will be forced to put down our delicious chocolates and lead the way for permanent regime change. Remember, my dear Walloons, the current clique in Washington was elected in direct contravention of the will of the American people. Regime change will be welcomed by their citizens." > Reaction to the speech throughout Europe was swift. "We stand with our Belgian brothers," offered French President Jacques Chirac. "France is willing to commit thirty-five troops and many cases of fine champagne to the cause. We cannot stand on the sidelines enjoying our delicious baguettes while our comrades from Antwerp go it alone. Let me assure the dear Prime Minister. France is with you, almost." > Russian President Vladimir Putin did not mince any words. "Again, it is the powerful Belgians who must lead the world against aggression and American hegemony. Russia stands with her European allies and insists that the United States disarm unilaterally. I only wish we too had delicious foods." > Following the speech, the mood at the White House was one of defiance. "Let the Belgians make their empty threats," said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer. "We are urging Hershey's and Mars and other fine American chocolate makers to increase their yummy output by two-hundred percent in the coming weeks. We intend to break up the evil-doing Belgian chocolate cartel once and for all." > Vice President Dick Cheney was even more bellicose. Speaking directly underneath Karl Rove from an undisclosed underground bunker, the Vice-President warned of dire consequences should Belgium make a preemptive strike. "We are prepared to strike back with alarming force," said Cheney. "The Belgians cannot bully us. They may be the world's only superpower, but we here in America have Allah on our side. To hell with their delicious chocolate treats." > Verhofstadt, while unyielding in tone and substance, did offer the Americans a plausible way out. "I call upon George W. Bush to capture Sheik Kenneth Lay, Imam Dennis Kozlowski, and the entire Worldcom terrorist organization, and to hand them over to an international tribunal. The United States can no longer harbor agents of terrorism. You are either with us or against us." > Back in Washington, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and National Security Advisor Condaleeza Rice were trying eagerly to persuade President Bush that there was indeed a country named Belgium. > > ) 2001 - 2002 Democratic Underground, LLC Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:27:26 EDT From: Superflyww9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Michel Faber? and long books What books would one invest any time into? It was a fashion to read long books, doorstops, in the 1970s, with authors like John Barth and Thomas Pynchon writing books that were 800+ pages. Has anyone read any of the following: James Joyce: Ulysses Marguerite Young: Miss Mackintosh My Darling Marcel Proust: Remembrance of Time Lost Thomas Mann: The Magic Mountain William Gaddis: The Recognitions John Barth: Giles Goat-Boy Joseph McElroy: Women and Men Thomas Pynchon: Gravity's Rainbow Julian Rios: Larva Arno Schmidt: Zettels Traum Alexander Theroux: Darconville's Cat Vladimir Nabokov: Ada Don DeLillo: Underworld Gilbert Sorrentino: Mulligan Stew David Foster Wallace: Infinite Jest William Gass: The Tunnel Jonathan Franzen: The Corrections I have read or attempted to read most of these. Last year I actually read The Magic Mountain twice just because I never read much of Mann before. I try to read one older book, sometimes a long book, of the past. A few years ago I was really obssessed by Manuscript Found At Sargossa by Jan Potocki which I read a few times over three years. But besides Mason & Dixon and some books by Zadie Smith, very few books that I have read are more than 300 pages, and very few of them follow more than one character. Alexander Laurence ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:46:38 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Michel Faber? and long books DeLillo. Love his work. I am very into authors who seem to paint with words and DeLillo is a master. There are a number of authors on your list that I have always "meant" to read (Pynchon, Proust, Mann. Currently reading: Chronicles of Dissent, Interviews with Noam Chomsky edited by David Barsamian (now current overdue at the library... hee). Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Superflyww9@aol.com Sent: October 3, 2002 10:27 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Michel Faber? and long books What books would one invest any time into? It was a fashion to read long books, doorstops, in the 1970s, with authors like John Barth and Thomas Pynchon writing books that were 800+ pages. Has anyone read any of the following: James Joyce: Ulysses Marguerite Young: Miss Mackintosh My Darling Marcel Proust: Remembrance of Time Lost Thomas Mann: The Magic Mountain William Gaddis: The Recognitions John Barth: Giles Goat-Boy Joseph McElroy: Women and Men Thomas Pynchon: Gravity's Rainbow Julian Rios: Larva Arno Schmidt: Zettels Traum Alexander Theroux: Darconville's Cat Vladimir Nabokov: Ada Don DeLillo: Underworld Gilbert Sorrentino: Mulligan Stew David Foster Wallace: Infinite Jest William Gass: The Tunnel Jonathan Franzen: The Corrections I have read or attempted to read most of these. Last year I actually read The Magic Mountain twice just because I never read much of Mann before. I try to read one older book, sometimes a long book, of the past. A few years ago I was really obssessed by Manuscript Found At Sargossa by Jan Potocki which I read a few times over three years. But besides Mason & Dixon and some books by Zadie Smith, very few books that I have read are more than 300 pages, and very few of them follow more than one character. Alexander Laurence ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:46:36 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] Everybody Has A History... except me I was wondering if I could ask a BIG favour of ICers. As Kevin's book is not available anymore, is there be an ICer who would be willing to act as a library and loan me their copy to read? I will pay postage and any late fees. Thanks in advance Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:00:10 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Coil..formerly:Wire man spotted at Sigur Ros gig In a message dated 10/3/02 9:18:01 AM Central Daylight Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: << Dunno Coil, but Sigur Ros are great, IMO. Maybe he wanted to see both? (What are Coil like?) - Andrew >> Coil are beyond explanation...they simply must be heard.....i read a review in Wire magazine once that explained them as "one of the few groups that manage to be scary and funny at the same time"..but alas, they are so much more...In January of 2003 there is a book coming out: England's Hidden Reverse. This book will take a look at groups such as Coil, Nurse With Wound, and Current 93.... suggestions for Coil listening: the first 3 albums (Scatology...Horse Rotorvator...Love's Secret Domain) have all been reissued recently...somewhat unfairly, they used to get lumped into the "industrial/goth" catagory..... Unnatural History vol. 1,2,3, compile all the odds and ends: collaborations, b-sides, soundtrack material, rarities How To Destroy Angels is a reissue of the first Coil EP of the same name along with drastically different versions of the 17 minute long track...it sounds like swords being rubbed together..great meditative music... Gold is the Metal With the Broadest Shoulders is a companion piece to the first three albums especially Love's Secret Domain and Horse Rotorvator...outtakes and unused songs...also different versions of album tracks the Angelic Conversation is a soundtrack to the Derek Jarman film...almost a classical sound on this one...Coil also contributed to the soundtrack of Jarman's film: Blue Worship the Glitch marked a turning point in Coil's music...one where they became more interested in electronic sound fields and a much more experimental attitude..Coil were way ahead of the times on this release...Many people credit the Beautyon album: "The Ultimate Mediterranean Savage" as the first album obsessed with mistakes in computer composing, i.e. "glitch music" but in my opinion it was Worship the Glitch which preceded everything else by a couple of years... Time Machines is an album concerned with drugs time travel ....drone soundscapes to facilitate time travel...very Eno-esque at times... Black Light District, Astral Disaster, Musick to Play in the Dark 1 & 2, are THE high points in Coil's music for me...they are fine mixtures of the earlier "song" based material and the glitch and soundscape pieces..thoroughly intoxicating and great headphone music to play in the dark....strange references in the lyrics...pagan poetry if you will... Queens of the Circulating Library and Constant Shallowness Leads to Evil are trials by sound/noise.....confrontational and noisy/droney (especially Constant Shallowness) these cds were given out at live shows and are sunsequently difficult to find..... i hope this rambling skeletal outline helps anyone who is interested in exploring something different....now get out there and find some Coil.. Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:33:02 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil..formerly:Wire man spotted at Sigur Ros gig and i almost forgot Stolen and Contaminated Songs...which is a lot like Gold is the Metal..a compilation of Love's Secret Domain outtakes and unused songs.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:19:24 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] R'n'B in the Mainstream There's a very postive review of R'B' I in the new Rolloing Stone. The reviewer also mentions #2 being released. It's a short review w/ no news for anyone here, beyond the fact that Wire got reviewed in Rolling Stone (hardly predictable). Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:32:33 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] This past weekend I listened to ... ... a concert by Eliane Radigue. She played a new work called "Ile Re-Sonante". For the entire performance, which the small but packed room listened to in complete silence, she was behind a curtain. The work (as usual for her) mixed drone-minimalism with recorded (wordless) voices. The room was very warm, and yet we were all held in a trance for a full hour. (Well, all except one couple near me who kept giving each other "this is stupid" smirks. At least they were quiet.) I got to meet her very briefly afterwards (she was polite, but I suddenly realized her English might not be any better than my French). For those interested in this kind of thing, her Adnos I-III (1974-1982) has just been reissued on Tabel of the Elements. My usual disclaimer: probably will appeal most to die-hard solo Bruce Gilbert fans and/or those who love Oscid or MZUI. Michael Flaherty np Christina Kubisch, DIAPASON ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:04:20 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] This past weekend I listened to ... In a message dated 10/3/02 11:34:41 AM Central Daylight Time, mflaher3@triton.edu writes: << ... a concert by Eliane Radigue. She played a new work called "Ile Re-Sonante". For the entire performance, which the small but packed room listened to in complete silence, she was behind a curtain. The work (as usual for her) mixed drone-minimalism with recorded (wordless) voices. The room was very warm, and yet we were all held in a trance for a full hour. (Well, all except one couple near me who kept giving each other "this is stupid" smirks. At least they were quiet.) I got to meet her very briefly afterwards (she was polite, but I suddenly realized her English might not be any better than my French). For those interested in this kind of thing, her Adnos I-III (1974-1982) has just been reissued on Tabel of the Elements. My usual disclaimer: probably will appeal most to die-hard solo Bruce Gilbert fans and/or those who love Oscid or MZUI. Michael Flaherty >> thank you for answering my question before i posted it....i was going to ask if anyone in Chicago had went to this performance....i could not make the trip from St. Louis but would have loved to.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:31:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Michel Faber? > The reviews of 'The Crimson Petal and the White' in the UK are now all over > the place. There seems to be a backlash to the raves it's got in the > States. On the Late Review last week (a weekly BBC TV review programme) it > was universally panned as badly written, pointless (as an updated Victorian > novel) and with an annoying ending. This must be the exception. I've read a few broadsheet reviews and they've been exceptional. It doesn't sound like the type of novel I would normally read (my fave author is probably still Graham Greene, though admittedly I haven't read anything by him for some years now), but I might just give it a go... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:36:40 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mrs Mills/Shaggs -OT > Teenage girls, unable to sing > or play properly, in recording studio paid for by rich Daddy. Results are > fun or funny, depending on viewpoint, but not the sort of thing you could > listen to on 'repeat'. The last thing I liked in this way was that Different Strokes cd - effectively yer fave Strokes songs played on the bontempi. Admittedly, not something you'd want to hear very often, but the gtr solo on Last Nite creased me. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:31:04 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Mrs Mills/Shaggs -OT In a message dated 10/3/02 3:27:20 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << > Teenage girls, unable to sing > or play properly, in recording studio paid for by rich Daddy. Results are > fun or funny, depending on viewpoint, but not the sort of thing you could > listen to on 'repeat'. The last thing I liked in this way was that Different Strokes cd - effectively yer fave Strokes songs played on the bontempi. Admittedly, not something you'd want to hear very often, but the gtr solo on Last Nite creased me. Keith >> this one's for you Bill (wherever you are)- HAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHA!!!!!! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #337 *******************************