From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #336 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, October 3 2002 Volume 05 : Number 336 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Merchandise Availabilty [kevin eden ] Re: [idealcopy] Langley School ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: HELP! I need somebody ... ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] Michel Faber? ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] IC (OT) Music To Sell Things By ["Keith Knight" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:08:10 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] Merchandise Availabilty Just a reminder that WMO and Origin titles are still available, some albeit in short supply. Check the follwoing link for full details: http://www.wireviews.com/wmo/merchandise.html Order now to avoid disappointment. ===== kevin eden e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wireviews.com "dreams that money can buy" New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:52:16 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Langley School > Keith said: > >> I heard some DJ berating "Mrs Miller's" > >> apparently awful version of the Toys 'Lover Concerto' on the > >> radio recently, > > C'mon Keith, you shouldn't be ashamed to admit that you're waking up to > Sarah Kennedy. > > AndyL - fellow member of The Dawn Patrol Is that her name? Awful middle class woman on Radio 2, who says things like 'and that was the Pet Shop Boys, who 'get along' apparently'... She's *dreadful*. Unless Mark & Lard are on, I flick through the radio stations when I'm in the car in the day, so I generally just hear a few minutes of each at a time. But, unashamedly, I will admit to liking that old Toys track, though sadly I didn't hear the Mrs Miller version she said she'd played the day before. Keith NP Iggy & The Stooges - I'm Sick of You! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:57:03 -0000 From: "Jan Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] Dead Man Ray Tonight on Dutch radio live Rudy Trouvee and Dead Man Ray this just after they released their album CAGO. I am curious to hear what kind of band Colin did produce or remix or whatever. Listen and Burn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:07:43 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: HELP! I need somebody ... how about the phrase "a complete and utter tosser" ? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Woerner Frank" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:59 AM Subject: [idealcopy] RE: HELP! I need somebody ... > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:44 PM > > To: dpbailey@worldnet.att.net > > Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] This week I have mostly been > listening to... > > > .....snippedysnip > > > > Chadwick comes across as a complete and utter tosser in Dave > > Cavanagh's > > Creation book. He was a lot older than he made out, and had a > > dodgy musical > > past that was kept well hushed-up. HoL were Alan McGee's > > great white hope in > > the late 80s but were either ahead of their time > > (pre-Britpop) or too late > > (Bunnymen manque).... > > I give up ... > For a gazillion times I've read about "tossers" her on ICL. > All my dictionaries fail declaring this word. > So, please, what is an "utter tosser"? > > regards, > > FfB > > BTW: I liked HoL, and also BiffBangBow, Close Lobsters, Bodines > and other anorak guitar hero bands. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:21:37 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Langley School I thought there was a certain pathos, sort of the type associated with plainsong, but it wasn't enough to hold my attention through repeated plays. I mean, how often do I want to hear "Desperado" or "Rock Show" in their "real/good" versions much less untrained voices. If you are really interested in this type of thing, I recommend either listening to the orginal Carter Family recordings for that flavor of buttoned-down purtininism in song or search out somes recordings (sorry can't suggest any artists, but remember a story on NPR radio) of "hocket" singing which the Langley project is a shadow of. - - Steve. G - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Langley School > well i downloaded about 4 tracks off this and gave 'em a listen........not > exactly an overwhelming experience. does anyone here rate this as the > profound experience some reviewers made it out to be? my thoughts were more > "school assembly"...... > > p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:49:52 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Langley School/Moz > > >> I heard some DJ berating "Mrs Miller's" > > >> apparently awful version of the Toys 'Lover Concerto' on the > > >> radio recently, Thanks Voyteck. I played the little bit of her version from the link you sent. Yikes! What can you say!!! Keith PS UK Listers reading NOW might want to switch on Radio 2 - Janis Long is interviewing Morrissey (and playing session tracks) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:14:39 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire man spotted at Sigur Ros gig Bruce was sitting half a dozen rows behind me at last night's Sigur Ros gig at the Royal Festival Hall, although I ddin't have chance to accost him (presumably went to a different bar). And very impressive it was too. All new stuff bar one (as far as I noticed). The material will probably not be quite as mindblowing as that on Agaertis Byrjun (or however you spell it) on this evidence but it won't be far off. The songs got stronger as the night progressed - a heavier approach with more drums to the fore than previously. Having seen them three times now they strike me as probably the most ambitious band on the planet. This analysis is based around the music - which although dismissed by some as prog, in fact isn't (and I should know) - which sounds like nothing before in my experience and the way they seem to have positioned themselves right at the heart of their country's culture. They have brought over a revered Icelandic poet on the last two occasions I saw them and teamed up with Hilmar Orm Hilmarsson, Iceland's top film director, not only to do soundtracks but also to put an ancient saga (Odin's Raven's Magic) to music for the first time. Has a band been this influential in their country since the Beatles? Nothing seems to faze them, unless the success they're beginning to pick up in the USA does for them. And they seem so unassuming with it - young looking, uncommunicative and as badly dressed a band as has existed this side of the Fall. Great band. And before anyone else says it - When it's cold they feel Ambitious. another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:42:58 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America As there don't appear to be any Belgians on this list, it falls to me to defend their honour in the face of this slight on their character, not least because my wife is a quarter Belgian but mainly because any country with great beer, chocolate, suburbs (every house is different in a suburban street, which makes the UK for one look pretty drab in comparison ), chips with mayonnaise, mussels and Plastic Bertrand deserves to be recognised. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ari Britt To: ; Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America > ari wrote > > > Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America > September 24, 2002 > By Phil Lebovits > > > > > Spurred by reports of an aggressive military build-up and failure to reign in corporate terrorists, the government of Belgium is pressing for a preemptive strike against the regime of George W. Bush. > > > "We cannot sit idly by and eat our delicious chocolates while the United States government engages in a policy of harassment," Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt said in a nationally-televised address to the Belgian people. "Now is the time for action. We cannot waffle." > > > Recent reports from Belgian intelligence sources indicate that the United States is now in possession of weapons of mass destruction - chemical, biological and nuclear. "We know that the United States has nuclear weapons and that they have actually used them in the past," intoned the Prime Minister." There is no reason to think they will not use them in the future." > > > Verhofstadt is insisting that United Nations weapon inspectors be given "unfettered access to the massive stockpiles" of weapons, and that they be destroyed immediately. > > > "We stand at the crossroads," pleaded Verhofstadt. "Either the United States agrees to our demands, or we will be forced to put down our delicious chocolates and lead the way for permanent regime change. Remember, my dear Walloons, the current clique in Washington was elected in direct contravention of the will of the American people. Regime change will be welcomed by their citizens." > > > Reaction to the speech throughout Europe was swift. "We stand with our Belgian brothers," offered French President Jacques Chirac. "France is willing to commit thirty-five troops and many cases of fine champagne to the cause. We cannot stand on the sidelines enjoying our delicious baguettes while our comrades from Antwerp go it alone. Let me assure the dear Prime Minister. France is with you, almost." > > > Russian President Vladimir Putin did not mince any words. "Again, it is the powerful Belgians who must lead the world against aggression and American hegemony. Russia stands with her European allies and insists that the United States disarm unilaterally. I only wish we too had delicious foods." > > > Following the speech, the mood at the White House was one of defiance. "Let the Belgians make their empty threats," said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer. "We are urging Hershey's and Mars and other fine American chocolate makers to increase their yummy output by two-hundred percent in the coming weeks. We intend to break up the evil-doing Belgian chocolate cartel once and for all." > > > Vice President Dick Cheney was even more bellicose. Speaking directly underneath Karl Rove from an undisclosed underground bunker, the Vice-President warned of dire consequences should Belgium make a preemptive strike. "We are prepared to strike back with alarming force," said Cheney. "The Belgians cannot bully us. They may be the world's only superpower, but we here in America have Allah on our side. To hell with their delicious chocolate treats." > > > Verhofstadt, while unyielding in tone and substance, did offer the Americans a plausible way out. "I call upon George W. Bush to capture Sheik Kenneth Lay, Imam Dennis Kozlowski, and the entire Worldcom terrorist organization, and to hand them over to an international tribunal. The United States can no longer harbor agents of terrorism. You are either with us or against us." > > > Back in Washington, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and National Security Advisor Condaleeza Rice were trying eagerly to persuade President Bush that there was indeed a country named Belgium. > > > > > ) 2001 - 2002 Democratic Underground, LLC > > > Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:50:00 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Langley School Oh, God, Mrs Mills. We got one of her records with the dansette record player my Dad bought around 1964 and as we had little vinyl for a year or two thereafter I heard rather too much of it, along with Russ Conway and Johnny Pineapple and his Hawaiian Guitars. I saw Two Ton Tessie O'Shea live in Blackpool around the same time talking of larger female performers. Wasn't Mrs Miller's version of the Lovers Concerto on the Kenny Everett 'Worst Records of all time' release of around 20 years ago? Rather a good album I thought. Sorry, it's late and my mind is clearly going. Stop, Dave, my mind is going. Yeah, the Langley project stuff is a mystery to me too from what I've heard of it. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: ian.s. jackson ; Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Langley School > > >And the love of my life ... Mrs Miller!! After you hear her samples and > > >research her bio, you too may always keep her CD within arm's length for > > >the perfect 'pick me up'!! LOL!! > > > Enjoy the joy ride, > > > voyteck > > > > ...are you sure thats not Mrs. Mills...? > > > > ian.s.j. > > As in that old fat woman who used to play piano at Blackpool Tower Ballroom > on a regular basis - with a very large inane grin! > > Well that's what I thought when I heard some DJ berating "Mrs Miller's" > apparently awful version of the Toys 'Lover Concerto' on the radio recently, > but it would appear that it's a different one Ian. > > So...what exactly does Mrs Miller sound like - and just how awful is she!!! > > Keith > > NP Tim Buckley - Lorca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:48:14 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Michel Faber? The reviews of 'The Crimson Petal and the White' in the UK are now all over the place. There seems to be a backlash to the raves it's got in the States. On the Late Review last week (a weekly BBC TV review programme) it was universally panned as badly written, pointless (as an updated Victorian novel) and with an annoying ending. Paul Morley was among the naysayers. Yet it continues to get positive reviews from some newspaper critics. As someone who quite enjoyed Under the Skin (read before I joined the list) but wasn't bowled over by it I'm in two minds about whether to commit time to a 800+ page novel (especially given the amount of spare time I now spend here!). Anyone out there going to read it / read it already? another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Cambra, Robert To: ; Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:19 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Michel Faber? > That was my typo, Ian--same author and former list member. > > Monday, when a friend of mine was doing an in-store appearance for her book > at The Booksmith on Haight Street (just down the street from where the > I-Beam was, where I first saw Wire in 1987, sadly recently torn down) I got > the list of authors appearing there in October. It's quite a list, including > Chip Kidd, Irvine Welsh, Daniel Clowes and--Michel Faber. I might just have > to go and meet a one-time list member for the first time, say hello, buy a > book and expand my literary horizons. The reviews couldn't be better: ". . > . a book like this is even better than sex."--Time > > Robert (another the) > > > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bill Is Dead/Faber/S-S-S Star Eyes > > Is the 800 page sprawling prostitution epic definitely our Michel Faber? A > couple of reviews I've seen credit it to Michael Faber. Is this a typo or a > different author? > > Ian B> > > > > *************************************************************** > This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed > and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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Having worked in an office for 20 odd years what is strange to me is how little I recognise of the people and situations I've worked with / been in but it's still bloody funny because it's great comedy of embarrassment which is funny irrespective of the realism of the situation. Alan Partridge is another in this vein of course. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury > > Wasn't so keen the on the first episode of the new series of League Of > Gentlemen last night. *Some* good moments but it didn't quite cut it for me. > > REALLY looking forward to the new The Office next week though. Thought > series one was the best UK comedy since I'm Alan Partridge and Father Ted. > > Classic stuff. > > Keith > > NP DJ Shadow - Private Press ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 02:23:11 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Go to Bed >>>>I still maintain that Morris's drumming was *massively* influential, but it seems that I credited the wrong guy. Gotobed? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #336 *******************************