From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #334 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, October 1 2002 Volume 05 : Number 334 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: side projects ["Paul Ye" ] [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America [Ar] RE: [idealcopy] us them they we i me my ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] A-Z [Andrew Westmeyer ] Re: [idealcopy] A-Z/Esse [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:42:50 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: side projects >Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:33:23 +0100 >From: "Keith Astbury" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re: side projects > > > I would say my favorite side projects are...snip... > > Colin, probably Not To. A-Z is right there, but am more > > familiar with Not To. > paulye154 > >Absolutely. While A-Z probably has my fave solo Wire track (Alone), Not To >is a great album. And it includes, of course, one of the funniest cover >versions EVER! > >Keith I had often thought about putting a cd together of all of my favorite Beatles covers. You know there are some really good ones out there like Siouxsie's Dear Prudence, Strawberry Fields by Candyflip, Daniel Ash doing Day Tripper (I could name 7 or 8 more). I still cringe a bit at the thought of putting Blue Jay Way on it! paulye154 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:31:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America ari wrote Subject: Fw: Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:45:52 -0400 @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: .1in 1.0in .5in 1.0in; mso-header-margin: .5in; mso-footer-margin: .5in; mso-paper-source: 0; }P.MsoNormal { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal}LI.MsoNormal { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal}P.MsoBodyText { FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold}LI.MsoBodyText { FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold}DIV.MsoBodyText { FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold}DIV.Section1 { page: Section1}To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:59 AMSubject: Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America Belgians Lead Push for Regime Change in America September 24, 2002 By Phil Lebovits > Spurred by reports of an aggressive military build-up and failure to reign in corporate terrorists, the government of Belgium is pressing for a preemptive strike against the regime of George W. Bush. > "We cannot sit idly by and eat our delicious chocolates while the United States government engages in a policy of harassment," Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt said in a nationally-televised address to the Belgian people. "Now is the time for action. We cannot waffle." > Recent reports from Belgian intelligence sources indicate that the United States is now in possession of weapons of mass destruction - chemical, biological and nuclear. "We know that the United States has nuclear weapons and that they have actually used them in the past," intoned the Prime Minister." There is no reason to think they will not use them in the future." > Verhofstadt is insisting that United Nations weapon inspectors be given "unfettered access to the massive stockpiles" of weapons, and that they be destroyed immediately. > "We stand at the crossroads," pleaded Verhofstadt. "Either the United States agrees to our demands, or we will be forced to put down our delicious chocolates and lead the way for permanent regime change. Remember, my dear Walloons, the current clique in Washington was elected in direct contravention of the will of the American people. Regime change will be welcomed by their citizens." > Reaction to the speech throughout Europe was swift. "We stand with our Belgian brothers," offered French President Jacques Chirac. "France is willing to commit thirty-five troops and many cases of fine champagne to the cause. We cannot stand on the sidelines enjoying our delicious baguettes while our comrades from Antwerp go it alone. Let me assure the dear Prime Minister. France is with you, almost." > Russian President Vladimir Putin did not mince any words. "Again, it is the powerful Belgians who must lead the world against aggression and American hegemony. Russia stands with her European allies and insists that the United States disarm unilaterally. I only wish we too had delicious foods." > Following the speech, the mood at the White House was one of defiance. "Let the Belgians make their empty threats," said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer. "We are urging Hershey's and Mars and other fine American chocolate makers to increase their yummy output by two-hundred percent in the coming weeks. We intend to break up the evil-doing Belgian chocolate cartel once and for all." > Vice President Dick Cheney was even more bellicose. Speaking directly underneath Karl Rove from an undisclosed underground bunker, the Vice-President warned of dire consequences should Belgium make a preemptive strike. "We are prepared to strike back with alarming force," said Cheney. "The Belgians cannot bully us. They may be the world's only superpower, but we here in America have Allah on our side. To hell with their delicious chocolate treats." > Verhofstadt, while unyielding in tone and substance, did offer the Americans a plausible way out. "I call upon George W. Bush to capture Sheik Kenneth Lay, Imam Dennis Kozlowski, and the entire Worldcom terrorist organization, and to hand them over to an international tribunal. The United States can no longer harbor agents of terrorism. You are either with us or against us." > Back in Washington, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and National Security Advisor Condaleeza Rice were trying eagerly to persuade President Bush that there was indeed a country named Belgium. > > ) 2001 - 2002 Democratic Underground, LLC Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:16:28 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] us them they we i me my I will take responsibility for all of this as it was my initial comment that sparked the thread. Imagine starting a thread like that and going away for a week like a hit and run. I should have know better (than to become a target....) Ari asked initally why I thought my perception was interesting. I think it was based on the (bad?) assumption (and the north/south debate that followed supported that assumption) that Wire is a "northern" band and my (once again bad?) assumption that southern culture has very little interest in this sort of thing. The other assumption was my thinking that this list should reflect that regional interest (i.e., precentage of wire album sales in the north vs. percentage od wire album sales in the south as an index for list participation). Perhaps I was hasty in my estimations and assumptions. As a digression, a previous band I was in had sales in northern areas of the western Canada where commercial radio for electronic music was non existent. Per capita compared to some urban areas our sales were "through the roof" (in reality the sales could be counted on two hands). It turns out that these people listened to Brave New Waves the CBC and heard our stuff. Sorry to spread ill will. Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of rayographique Sent: September 27, 2002 10:41 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] us them they we i me my - --- Ari Britt wrote: ...what will the French think?Ari I warned Seb early on. Of course this debate doesn't rank with the AFOS vs Fenesz debacle..... And lest not ever mention ELO again either - perhaps we should start chatting up ABC and Nik Kershaw ^_^ (I actually enjoyed Skyscraping myself) NP - 1:00-4:33 of harddrive and computer fan New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:32:50 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Peel >>Stephen Morris went a bit crazy on the Peel version of Love Will Tear Us Apart.)<< >That was how they always played it. Hannett changed the drums on teh single - - in fact they were his biggest >headache, and is why there are two versions of LWTUA on the single. It was never performed live with the drums as >per the single. Same for Transmission BTW - hannett chopped out all the rolls and fills on that too. >Mark All credit to Hannett then. The Peel version compared with the 45 is a mess - - albeit an interesting one. The Something Else version of Transmission IIRC does have a more shall we say energetic beat, but it's still rather restrained compared with Peels LWTUA. 'Bit crazy' was a bit of an under-statement! I still maintain that Morris's drumming was *massively* influential, but it seems that I credited the wrong guy. cheers Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:36:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A-Z - --- Bart van Damme wrote: > > What are some other recommendations for projects from Colin Newman, > > Graham Lewis, Bruce Gilbert, and Gotobed? Thanks. > > For me definitively Dome 1&2 & Gilbert's the Shivering Man. > But for starters why don't you try... Bruce's "In Esse" Jason? What a great recommendation! I hope this isn't too far off-topic, but you reminded me of a discussion on another list, when someone requested a cover scan of Spinal Tap's "Smell The Glove". ;) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 09:10:09 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A-Z/Esse >> But for starters why don't you try... Bruce's "In Esse" Jason? > > What a great recommendation! I hope this isn't too far off-topic, but > you reminded me of a discussion on another list, when someone requested > a cover scan of Spinal Tap's "Smell The Glove". ;) I had to google that one, but I see what you mean. Nice one! :-) Dunno if Bruce'll like the comparison though. For those of you who hadn't seen Smell The Glove before either: http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/ferguson/spinal-tap/ Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #334 *******************************