From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #330 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, September 27 2002 Volume 05 : Number 330 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] colin's rekkid reviews [Miles Goosens ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Punk's Beginings ["jaime janzen" ] [idealcopy] tribute bands - on topic ... REALLY ["Phillip Blakeney" ] [idealcopy] Does anyone have... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #329 [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] [idealcopy] shall try... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Bruce Gets The Chop ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Fall Tour ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Rooting, Learning, Tape ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Shite Hype ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] IC (OT) Music To Sell Things By ["Tim" ] RE: [idealcopy] OT - big boring playlist/adding to punk originators conversation ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy] Shite Hype [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gets The Chop [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Punk's Beginings [Superflyww9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire @ Irving Plaza 9/18/2002 notes [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] colin sets the record straight [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] Aol-holes!! [Santa Cruzer ] [idealcopy] Punk Rock sucks [Superflyww9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] for Bart [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] IC (OT) Music To Sell Things By [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Punk Ruck does not exist [Superflyww9@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:03:51 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] colin's rekkid reviews At 12:26 PM 9/26/2002 -0700, rayographique wrote: >> Milemarker, "Shrink to Fit" (2001) >> It's a bit in the area of The Rapture. I don't know >> this group. Milemarker? >... >Who opened for Wire in Chi. >Very energetic set which reminded me of any number of >late 70s detroit bands none of you have heard of (77 >was spot on) melded with a tad of post-nirvana angst. I really didn't care for them at all, though I was more engaged when the female keyboardist sang -- reminiscent of early Sioxsie. Mainly they reminded me of Barkmarket, Helmet, and a lot of the other noisy bands of era just before NIN hit it big (a lot those bands turned into NIN clones afterwards, when they realized that chasing Sonic Youth's star wasn't going to translate into record sales). I really didn't care for those bands either, come to think of it. Actually, aside from Immersion, He Said, and films of Wire opening for Wire at the RFH, I have yet to see Wire with an opening act that I enjoyed. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:37:52 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nord/sud In a message dated 9/26/02 2:17:42 PM GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > The UK dad's amongst you may have noticed that the BBC are using No Fun to > advertise Ceebees (childrens BBC programmes). Little kid dancing to it I > think. > > How great is that - toddlers all over the country being exposed to one of > the great riffs of all time at such a tender age! > ////well yes , what a truly great channel ceebeebees is , beth is a big fan. but shurely the track used on that ad is the white stripes "fell in love with a girl" (the one where the toddler paints a dali spoof)? or is there another.......p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:43:15 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] the little girls understand At 07:26 PM 9/23/2002 -0700, Andrew Westmeyer wrote: >On another note... Did anyone else think the average age of the crowd >was younger on this tour than on the 2000 tour? In Chicago 2002 vs. the three 2000 shows I saw -- absolutely yes! The group I was with during the Chicago show as well as us IC "oldies" afterwards all noticed this. I'd go so far as to say that the crowd was evenly split between over/under 30. I'm very happy to see this, and I'd like to know how they came to know Wire, and if any of them have made it to the list. Speak up, ye twentysomethings! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:27:55 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nord/sud > > The UK dad's amongst you may have noticed that the BBC are using No Fun to > > advertise Ceebees (childrens BBC programmes). Little kid dancing to it I > > think. > > How great is that - toddlers all over the country being exposed to one of > > the great riffs of all time at such a tender age! > > > ////well yes , what a truly great channel ceebeebees is , beth is a big fan. > but shurely the track used on that ad is the white stripes "fell in love with > a girl" (the one where the toddler paints a dali spoof)? or is there > another.......p obviously another. DEFINITELY heard No Fun this morning. Cut to something else and then went back to No Fun IRC. Whoever's behind all this deserves a pat on the back IMO! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:27:34 -0700 From: "jaime janzen" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Punk's Beginings > Boys, you sure have a thing for leather..What about french fries, french > toast? > Jaime First thing comes to mind is french kiss! Bart Wow! I forgot that one...it's been a while.. JaimeGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:38:51 -0700 From: "John M Campbell" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta/Two States It's just that I feel we're neglected as an entity and I feel the need to represent Le WEST as a true entity with a demography with much less to share than you Easterners.have(civil war, the slavery issue, funny accents, competetive natures) We here recognise our colonial nature and naturally feel less inclined to feel united. I DO NOT mean this in anything so boring as a political sense. Just remember, nomatter how many you send in an attempt to dilute us, our capacity to absorbe and mutate is well nigh infinite. Bless us all & Cheeze, johnc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari Britt" To: Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta/Two States > Bart van Damme wrote: > > Once again -You May have your North and South, that's fine and dandy - just > > leave the WEST out of it, and thank you > > Cheez, johnc > > > Gee, didn't know the "united" states were THAT devided... > > Bart > > then you don't know the good ol' yewnited states.Ari > > PS - btw, saying cheese to a dutchman is very, very rude ;-) > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:19:38 +1000 From: "Phillip Blakeney" Subject: [idealcopy] tribute bands - on topic ... REALLY Rayographique wrote "...and if Chicago is not the birthplace of the Tribute Band it certainly is the retirement home." NO, NO, NO, Australia is the birthplace of the tribute band, coz we never get to see the real thing. Which leads to..... You don't suppose WIRE might make an appearance or two down under as part of the current tour.... Didn't think so! "154 Copies of Pink Burning Chairs" might make a good name for a tribute band. Might be my only chance. On another note I got my smelly thing (the only one in Australia???) and it smells of nothing much at all. Maybe the overseas versions didn't have ANY smell, so they didn't drive the mailroom sniffer dogs crazy. Someone suggested there might be more than one version of the smelly things............perhaps there are 40 Versions. Phillip from Australia - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:28:11 -0700 From: "Bryan R. Olson" Subject: [idealcopy] Colin Newman remixes Dead Man Ray 'ello all just got this in, in case anyone's intereted ~Bryan Deaf Can't Play was the original subscription on all Dead Man Ray T-shirts, now replaced by "It's all D&A". There are a multitude of DMR artifacts coming up throughout europe; the full-cd CAGO (october 1st, CD & Vinyl), the first single, Landslide, also on 10-inch vinyl, featuring great remixes by Atom and Collin -Wire- Newman. Stay tuned for a Landslide video by dutch flash artist Han Hoogerbrugge, or come to see the show at the AB, Brussels, 3rd of october. More info on the fully refreshed www.deadmanray.com. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 9/9/02 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:48:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] for Bart Cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese (what ya gonna do 'bout it??)Ari Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Does anyone have... ........All tomorrows parties without those annoying spaces between trax?Ari Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:08:11 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #329 In a message dated 26/9/02 10:00:32 pm, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << "s.morlighem" wrote: No North, no South, no US punk, no UK punk ? In fact, punk was french first : http://members.aol.com/and125/punks.htm J'ai vu cette site de internet et j'aime beaucoup, en particular: http://members.aol.com/and125/elli.jpg Je ne sais pas pourquoi, mai il me flottant ma bateau. Bought an album by Indochine when in France (taken by a track called Je demande a la lune in a holiday romance way). What is the news on them"s.morlighem" ? (sorry, can't find your name). Sort of French U2 with girls?? Re. any criticism of France - if I was French I'd be saying 'better climate, better looking women, better looking men, better wine, more chateaux, ability and willingness to defend own culture against anglo-american depredations, ...' Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:16:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] shall try... .......to get them done over the week-end,if you have no luck with the tape send it to me and I'll put it to disc via my Nakamichi tape deck and Pioneer hi-fi c.d recorder.A (you'll just hafta let me know wether it's dolby b,c or non dolby)..Ari New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 01:18:51 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Bruce Gets The Chop >>>>This is from the very end of Madmen by Dome on the Dome 12 cd. It is right before The Red Tent. I don't know who says it, the voice is unfamiliar to me. If it was Bruce or Graham, I think I would recognize it. Bruce says the bit about the axe, piss, etc He doesn't sound very scary to me! Surely Bursa has told you this by now? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine BIGSMOKE in association with HARDCORE IS MORE THAN MUSIC and the ICA present... > OXBOW > NOXAGT > NOUGHT > + DJ SPYKID > > Sunday 29th September > > ICA, The Mall, London, > doors at 7pm, early show. > #7 advance/#6 concessions/#5 ICA members > http://come.to/bigsmoke ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 01:17:54 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Fall Tour That's not The Fall. The Fall used to be a band. Now it's Mark E Smith and some tragic tribute to The Fall w/ secession men. Most Fall fans don't seem to mind though... Last truly great Fall gig I saw was with Burns & Hanley & 2 keyboards round the time of Levitate. The gigs where MES fell over and got pissed & confused and wandered off mid-song were much more fun than what these hideous replicas are up to. Yeah, they can play the tracks after a fashion... Fancy a bit o'post-punk cabaret? Meanwhile just rocked out big time to live performance in Manc Badland Trio Steve Noble Drums Simon Fell Double Bass Simon Rose Alto Sax Neat Neat Taen! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:15:44 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Rooting, Learning, Tape >>>>i always assumed that at the end of reuters the vocals were a play on the title. what i distinctly heard/saw graham singing (and possibly colin too) was the word rape. is that what's on the record? looting, burning, rape Did they start playing it again to get some groupie action to go with their rediscovered powers of 'very metal' direction? Always thought Reuters & 106 Beats That were the most obvious omissions from the not-golden-oldies period. Seems daft to have ditched Another the Letter if 'FAST' really is the new 'SLOW' as Colin noticed at ATP when Mogwai did Tortoise impressions. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "Closing Doors Opens Eyes" "It's all in the Art of Stopping" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 01:20:07 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Shite Hype >>>I have to recommend Interpol - Turn On The Bright Lights. It's an amazing album. Sounds like a hyped up load of retro toss with a singer as irritating as that tit from ABC. The Standard's album also gets my vote for the worst record ever released by the otherwise usually reliable Touch and Go. So far I've managed to avoid Sonyphrolic Pee, and I suspect this is a good thing. Low don't sound like Joy Division, but they did a great slowed down cover of Transmission and can tap into similar atmospheres. It's a shame all the trendy bozos go to see them these days, as their gigs were so much more effective in small intimate venues like the Star and Garter & the Britons Protection where you could hear a pin drop in the almost-silences, as opposed to having to listen to some piss-head witter on about his collection of Factory rarities or whatever. Oxes albums are excellent. Funny thing is it wasn't their live set at ATP that got me into them, as I thought they seemed a bit too gimmicky and Shellac-like and lost a lot of energy by arsing about, but the track on the ATP 3CD compilation (Boss Kitty) turned out to be the one I played most after Melt Banana's cover of Neat Neat Neat. Blah Blah Blah Leather Trou! Sir? HaHahahaha Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP godspeed you black emperor - Yanqui U.X.O. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:15:42 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IC (OT) Music To Sell Things By > >hey britain - now that the teletbbies are mainstream > >stateside - what 'cha got in store for us next? > > Michael Barrymore presenting a new version of 'Fingerbobs'... We export a lot of kids shows but our comedy stuff is getting increasingly parochial so it probably doesn't sell bugger all. I presume US listees won't have had recent comedy gems like: Alan Partridge, The Office or Phoenix Nights? What about The League of Gentlemen? Its very much like the darker Python stuff? Or my current favourite 'Bo Selecta' in which Michael Jackson is portrayed as an overweight drunkard who likes to Jet-ski (Sha-mon!), and Craig David is a Sheffield lad with a Kestrel (as in 'Kes')...No? Ok then. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:29:33 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall Tour i beleive the operative quote is: "If it's me and yer granny - it's The Fall" mes - --- Bill Hick wrote: > That's not The Fall. > The Fall used to be a band. > Now it's Mark E Smith and some tragic tribute to The > Fall w/ secession men. > > Most Fall fans don't seem to mind though... > > Last truly great Fall gig I saw was with Burns & > Hanley & 2 keyboards round > the time of Levitate. > > The gigs where MES fell over and got pissed & > confused and wandered off > mid-song were much more fun than what these hideous > replicas are up to. > > Yeah, they can play the tracks after a fashion... > > Fancy a bit o'post-punk cabaret? > > Meanwhile just rocked out big time to live > performance in Manc > Badland Trio > > Steve Noble Drums > Simon Fell Double Bass > Simon Rose Alto Sax > > Neat Neat Taen! > > Cracked Machine > Highly Irregular Cyberzine > http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 01:33:01 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - big boring playlist/adding to punk originators conversation Queens Of The Stone Age played here in Atlanta a couple of nights after the Wire show, but I missed it because I'm not hugely familiar with QOTSA. I did seriously consider going, though, because I love the opening band, ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead. I saw a Trail Of Dead show in February at the Cotton Club here in Atlanta; the band puts on a killer show. I highly recommend the new Trail Of Dead album, Source Tags & Codes, as well as their first s/t album and their second, Madonna. Any fan of Wire's Read & Burn cd's will probably appreciate Trail Of Dead's "Mistakes And Regrets" from the Madonna album; it rocks out in the manner of "The Agfers Of Kodack" or "Raft Ants". My favorite Trail Of Dead song from the new album is "How Near How Far". I'm enjoying reading the thread of conversation here about which bands started punk rock. In my opinion, though, "punk rock" as most of us know it was started by the Ramones, although The Velvet Underground, The Stooges, New York Dolls, and MC5 pushed the envelope in that direction. The Ramones ushered in the short songs and the "stop/start" tempos that most of us associate with punk rock. I always joke that the Americans started punk, but the British perfected it (and given a nod to Irish w/ Stiff Little Fingers). Husker Du and X win my vote as the best American punk rock bands, though. A few months ago, when I was home from work with the flu for a couple of days, I made a mix cd of my favorite punk songs... Jason's Punk Mix: 1. The Clash - "Janie Jones" 2. Ramones - "Blitzkrieg Bop" 3. X - "Johny Hit And Run Paulene" 4. Sex Pistols - "God Save The Queen" 5. Richard Hell & The Voidoids - "Blank Generation" 6. Gang Of Four - "At Home He's A Tourist" 7. The Jam - "In The City" 8. Television - "See No Evil" 9. New York Dolls - "Personality Crisis" 10. The Damned - "New Rose" 11. The Saints - "(I'm) Stranded" 12. Stiff Little Fingers - "Alternative Ulster" 13. Sham 69 - "Borstal Breakout" 14. The Dead Boys - "Sonic Reducer" 15. The Undertones - "Teenage Kicks" 16. The Vibrators - "Baby Baby" 17. The Stranglers - "No More Heroes" 18. Public Image Ltd. - "Public Image" 19. Generation X - "Day By Day" 20. Buzzcocks - "Ever Fallen In Love" 21. Wire - "Mannequin" 22. The Adverts - "Gary Gilmore's Eyes" 23. Husker Du - "Everything Falls Apart" 24. The Clash - "Career Opportunities" 25. Siouxsie & The Banshees - "Hong Kong Garden" 26. Blondie - "X Offender" 27. Joy Division - "Digital" 28. Sex Pistols - "Anarchy In The UK" Disclaimer that "punk" is not an exact definition and many of you may not consider Blondie or Television to be "punk". It's the whole ethos and general aura of the songs that do it for me. In my opinion, though, "punk rock" as most of us know it was started by the Ramones. The Ramones ushered in the short songs and the "stop/start" tempos. I always joke that the Americans started punk, but the British perfected it (and given a nod to Irish w/ Stiff Little Fingers). Also, as much as I love Wire's "1 2 X U" as a punk song, I thought it would fun to put something else on there from Pink Flag, just so my mix wouldn't resemble "K-Tel Punk Classics" or something like that. At any rate, the mix made my forty-minute commute to work a lot more fun. Rock on. Jason P.S. Read & Burn 02 is most impressive, although I haven't decided yet whether I like it better than 01 or not. I've been listening to it near nonstop since I bought it at the Atlanta show and have decided that "Trash/Treasure" is probably my favorite song from either of the Read & Burn EP's. I haven't decided which Read & Burn I like better as a whole, though. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:44:11 -0700 From: "John M Campbell" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IC (OT) Music To Sell Things By bbc amerika has had the league of gentlemen(har) but i seriously doubt wether anyone in the US will broadcast anything satirising anyone at present - even michael Jackson. The media has a fulltime job editing GWBush to prevent the obvious inadvertant self parody as it is. Cheers, johnc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IC (OT) Music To Sell Things By > > >hey britain - now that the teletbbies are mainstream > > >stateside - what 'cha got in store for us next? > > > > Michael Barrymore presenting a new version of 'Fingerbobs'... > > We export a lot of kids shows but our comedy stuff is getting increasingly > parochial so it probably doesn't sell bugger all. > > I presume US listees won't have had recent comedy gems like: > Alan Partridge, The Office or Phoenix Nights? What about The League of > Gentlemen? Its very much like the darker Python stuff? > > Or my current favourite 'Bo Selecta' in which Michael Jackson is portrayed > as an overweight drunkard who likes to Jet-ski (Sha-mon!), and Craig David > is a Sheffield lad with a Kestrel (as in 'Kes')...No? Ok then. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:21:21 -0600 From: Rick Mower Subject: [idealcopy] Side Projects?? Just wanted to know what side projects some of you prefer. I for one think H.A.L.O and He Said are the best. I also like some of the Colin Newman stuff like "Singing Fish" Well Just a quick and short note, time to go. Watch, Take Care Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Shite Hype - --- Bill Hick wrote: > >>>I have to recommend Interpol - Turn On > The Bright Lights. It's an amazing album. > > Sounds like a hyped up load of retro toss with a > singer as irritating as that > tit from ABC. and at least martin fry never really took hissef serious New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:23:31 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gets The Chop bursa has been kidnapped by the French - --- Bill Hick wrote: ... > > Surely Bursa has told you this by now?... New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:26:53 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Side Projects?? music for fruit a-z hail New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:46:42 -0400 From: Superflyww9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Punk's Beginings >First thing comes to mind is french kiss! > >Bart Americans invented the blow job and fisting. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:14:54 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire @ Irving Plaza 9/18/2002 notes In a message dated 9/26/02 9:07:17 AM, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << > I would have enjoyed the Oxes' music but found their bogus stage > gimmicks (wearing dresses, jumping in the audience, puerile banter) > insufferable. And I was just started to think your description made them seem interesting! >> exactly what i thought, keith. without all that silliness they would've been pretty boring. i don't find them that interesting to just listen to. - -another the paul p.s. sing along to your favorite ramones song: first second third fourth, punk was born in the north think it rose from the south? stick a sock in your mouth! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:22:07 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] colin sets the record straight In a message dated 9/26/02 2:06:41 PM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << Colin Newman: Ah, yes, "Roadrunner" by the Modern Lovers. What would become punk rock in [England] can probably be traced as far back as 1975. Really, the first things you could get out of America were Jonathan Richman, Patti Smith, the Ramones. >> ;o) - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:30:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] Aol-holes!! Hee hee! Well, I've received alot of AOL discs in my time! Even gave some to some homeless folks to try and sell! Here's a cool site from some folks that are stuffing them back down their throats! Cool idea! http://www.nomoreaolcds.com/ ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 01:38:47 EDT From: Superflyww9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Punk Rock sucks Whatever was punk rock or who was the first punk band is a tedious discussion. There are all those books like Lipstick Traces, England's Burning and Please Kill Me which say the beginning of punk is The Stooges, MC5, The Velvet Underground, and The New York Dolls. So what. Punk music is mainstream now. Even conservative people and people with bad taste in music overall like those bands. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:09:01 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for Bart > Cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese > (what ya gonna do 'bout it??)Ari That's it! I'm gonna get on that plane and thumb ya! Bart ["mommy"] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:21:00 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IC (OT) Music To Sell Things By > I presume US listees won't have had recent comedy gems like: > Alan Partridge, The Office or Phoenix Nights? What about The League of > Gentlemen? New Gents series started only last night on BBC. Hilarious dark stuff. Also watch every Partridge rerun - still great fun. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:49:04 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punk Ruck socks > Punk music is mainstream > now. Even conservative people and people with bad taste in music overall like > those bands. Well, if it's true Punk is more an attitude than a music-style these mainstream bands aren't punk at all are they? But then again, who cares. For me punk was a 70's thing. Let's call today's exciting new music something else [how about "exciting new music"?]. Only thing that's worth keeping imo is the DIY principle. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 04:02:18 EDT From: Superflyww9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punk Ruck does not exist In a message dated 9/26/02 11:50:05 PM, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: << For me punk was a 70's thing. Let's call today's exciting new music something else [how about "exciting new music"?]. >> Yesterday's "exciting new music" is not today's "exciting new music." Even though some people may call them both "punk music." In the 1970s, people who listened to "exciting new music" was a small exclusive club. Most people were glad to listen to the "exciting new music" of the 1960s then, or anything that sounded like it. People like music from the 1960s or the 1970s because it was supposed to be truer or purer. Music has never been pure. It's always been a hybrid form that rips off anything before it. It's just false sentimentality that people still listen to old songs. They are not hearing them in their proper historical context. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #330 *******************************