From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #327 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, September 25 2002 Volume 05 : Number 327 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: Wire magazine review [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re:The only constant ....... (was Wire in Chicago, etc.) [Ari Britt ] RE: [idealcopy] R&B review in The Wire at last...corrected ["Eric Klaver"] Re: RE: [idealcopy] OT - big boring playlist [Superflyww9@aol.com] [idealcopy] too bad they're old [Tisbili@aol.com] [idealcopy] gotta get out of digest mode . . . too many things at once [A] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire in Chicago, etc. [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] last night's gig ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] Re: [idealcopy] gotta get out of digest mode . . . too many things at once ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire magazine review ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02(again) [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Frigbook (FAC5487234659845769348) ["Tim" > Didn't see any review in the Wire - nothing in September or October issue that I can see. Please advise. I renewed my subscription in July after some hesitation. As previously noted here, there is not a lot else around, but much of what goes into Wire belongs in pseuds' corner. IMO. On the subject of heavyweight music magazines that have tiny fonts, margins and gutterings to proclaim how serious they are, Smash Hits has not after all folded. From a brief look it now appears to be the kiddie version of Heat, the starfuckers bible. On another list I'm on there's been talk of a band called Interpol. Anyone heard their stuff? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:10:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:The only constant ....... (was Wire in Chicago, etc.) Keith Astbury wrote: > >>>I hope the other three are reading.<< > > > >I'm going to say that they probably know this, and that they don't want to > >make the same mistake twice. > > Manscape and (especially) Wir were not mistakes. No, but they were disappointing to a lot of us. I'm with the reader who loves IBTABA btw. Great album. > If the songs, as they do > now, work best with live drums, great, but if they (Colin, Graham and > Bruce) feel a need to work w/ more electronic things in the future, they > should. > > Michael Flaherty Slow & So...is one of my all-time fave singles, but imagine how different things would have been if Robert hadn't left, and Wire hadn't become Wir. Would they really have split up after just one more album? I guess we'll never know. But...if Colin, Graham & Bruce do feel the need to work with more electronic things in the future, maybe they could do that AND Wire. If not, good luck to them. Like you (and most people here I guess), I don't go with the 'group must pander to the audience thing', otherwise we're left with Status Quo. Not a band that's just basically playing their current output on their latest tour. Keith ..........is change Personaly I like Manscape,it sez a lot about Maggie's regime,and I LOVE Wir,I'm all into a group of musicians taking off in different directions,that's what makes Wire so good,and that's why,imho,the Beatles were so good.No author in his right mind would write the same book twice.......... unlike the likes of Moody Blues or Pink Floyd,who's attitude toward the end seemed to be 'you liked the last one,here's more of the same....Ari New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:laughter over the wire > LOL always reminds me of the pisshead who tried to > sue Robert Smith for > unfair dismissal ; (sic) alternativly : heh or (found in an online jargon dictionary) the more emphatic: C|N>K translated for those who dont live in cshells as: coffee thru nose to keyboard New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire magazine review/the big takover HowardJSpencer@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 25/9/02 9:31:51 am, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << in re: 'the' wire review - i suspect it was R'n'B 01 as 02 is 'not a commercial release' and there are no review copies >> Didn't see any review in the Wire - nothing in September or October issue that I can see. Please advise. I renewed my subscription in July after some hesitation. As previously noted here, there is not a lot else around, but much of what goes into Wire belongs in pseuds' corner. IMO. On the subject of heavyweight music magazines that have tiny fonts, margins and gutterings to proclaim how serious they are, Smash Hits has not after all folded. From a brief look it now appears to be the kiddie version of Heat, the starfuckers bible. On another list I'm on there's been talk of a band called Interpol. Anyone heard their stuff? Howard On the subject of music magazines,there's only one that's worth reading imo,it's written for a more mature audience,and only issues about 4 mags a year,but there's so much crammed into the pages it takes a few weeks to digest it all anyway,you should give it a try on a one issue basis to see if you like it,it's available overseas by mail order,it's called 'The Big Take-over' and it won't insult your intelligenceit is an independent magazine issued by Jack Rabid,go to www.bigtakover.com for more info....Ari New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:43:04 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:laughter over the wire On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:21:19AM -0700, rayographique wrote: > > LOL always reminds me of the pisshead who tried to > > sue Robert Smith for > > unfair dismissal ; > > (sic) alternativly : > heh > or (found in an online jargon dictionary) the more > emphatic: > C|N>K > translated for those who dont live in cshells as: > coffee thru nose to keyboard C shell? *barf*. I'm with Tom Christiansen on that one. :) (Note to non-unixheads: there are two popular families of command shells on Unix - the bourne shell and the C shell - and in most regards, the Bourne shell is more complete and correct. A command shell is very like cmd.exe on Windows in most regards.) (You can't even close stderr/stdout!) - - Andrew, bourne-derived shell bigot - -- "Trust me. | adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) Believe me. | http://wwww.lexical.org.uk/ It's all in the art... | of stopping. - Wire, "In the Art of Stopping" ('Read and Burn 01') ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:21:06 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:The only constant ....... (was Wire in Chicago, etc.) >Personaly I like Manscape,it sez a lot about Maggie's regime,and I LOVE Wir,I'm all into a group of musicians taking off in different directions,that's what makes Wire so good,and that's why,imho,the Beatles were so good.No author in his right mind would write the same book twice.......... quite a lot to be said for that. i've noted before that some of my favorite bands seem to have completely overhauled their sound more than once over the years, & sometimes from record to record -- wire, the mekons, to some extent the fall, chumbawamba, fad gadget/frank tovey (r.i.p.), undoubtedly others that don't occur to me at the moment ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:29:39 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - big boring playlist Hi, can anyone share any info on the music, the shining and the last queens of the stone age cd? playlist for the last days: peter gabriel - new cd nightmares on wax - new cd underworld - new cd some baz luhrmann some cockney rebel some crystal method regards, FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:30:54 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:laughter over the wire - --- Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > C shell? *barf*. I'm with Tom Christiansen on that > one. :) > (Note to non-unixheads: there are two popular > families of command shells > on Unix - the bourne shell and the C shell the rest of you will be releived to hear that on may pipe coffee through the nose redirected to the keyboard with equal efficacy in either shell > > C|N>K tr borne again r)(0)(m New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:46:58 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 Classic show, period. Colin Newman's menacingly calm vocals, Gotobed's (Grey's) thundering percussion, Lewis's intense performance that commanded almost as much attention as Newmans, Gilbert playing to the side of the stage like an anonymous guitar tech. The whole package rocked. ... Thanks for having me aboard. Jason /////////////////////////////////////// A very perceptive, compact description of Wire. I like it. Glad to have you aboard. Aside: Is it my perception only or does the list have a large proportion of ICers who live south of the Mason Dixon? Interesting if this is indeed true. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:07:14 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] R&B review in The Wire at last I do remember him describing Wire as being as volatile as a council of Afghan warlords, with nearly as much contempt for the world as for each other. Well, we know they've had their differences in the past, but surely this comment is a bit wide of the mark at the moment ? Fergus /////////////////////////// If you are coming at Wire form a pop stand point (I would include in this category the "alt rock,pop,electronica that concerns Wire mag) you could deal with them in any real capacity and they would appear to be confusing. If you approach Wire (the band) from the stand point of (me inventing a word) "art product" then things make a great deal of sense. Very few people get it. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:07:16 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] set lists? Go to www.elysium-sl.com/wire.htm - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of matthew.pattillo@exxonmobil.com Sent: September 24, 2002 11:56 AM To: wire-news Subject: [idealcopy] set lists? Has anyone posted setlists from the recent shows? If so, how do I view them? Matthew Pattillo, FMA JCI/ExxonMobil Dallas 214.951.2867 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:11:35 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] R&B review in The Wire at last...corrected - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Eric Klaver Sent: September 25, 2002 10:07 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] R&B review in The Wire at last I do remember him describing Wire as being as volatile as a council of Afghan warlords, with nearly as much contempt for the world as for each other. Well, we know they've had their differences in the past, but surely this comment is a bit wide of the mark at the moment ? Fergus /////////////////////////// If you are coming at Wire form a pop stand point (I would include in this category the "alt rock,pop,electronica that concerns Wire mag) you couldn't deal with them in any real capacity and they would appear to be confusing. If you approach Wire (the band) from the stand point of (me inventing a word) "art product" then things make a great deal of sense. Very few people get it. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:18:39 EDT From: Superflyww9@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: [idealcopy] OT - big boring playlist In a message dated 9/25/02 5:30:11 AM, frank-juergen.woerner@siemens.com writes: << can anyone share any info on the music, the shining and the last queens of the stone age cd? >> I just listened to the latest one by The Music. I think that it's really good. It's a really heavy rock sound. More like Zeppelin and Jane's Addiction. Haven't heard the Shining, but it has members from The Verve. They are supposed to play the USA soon. Queens are okay. Sort of for young people who like hard rock but can't get into Slipknot. Alexander ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:16:40 -0400 From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] too bad they're old or else they could have been as important as Thom Yorke. The 10/02 issue of Details magazine identifies the 50 most influential men under 37, with Yorkie coming in at #32. David Holmes compares him to Lennon. The write up credits him with "helping to re-chart the boundaries of music in the 21st century." Sorry for reigniting the whole radiohead sucks/is great debate. rotation: In: bowery electric lush life new order crystal cd single ambitious lovers greed cranes future songs--surprisingly good lords of acid vs detroit--guilty pleasure gavin friday shag tobacco hives live at the recher theatre --bootleg barry adamson oedipus schmoedipus white stripes --peel session-- fell in love with a girl last weekend. Too bad I'm already married. Out: David Holmes Bow down to the exit sign--see above jd in maryland, just a small stones throw under the mason dixon line. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:26:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Amy Myrbo Subject: [idealcopy] gotta get out of digest mode . . . too many things at once > speaking tangentially of which, was it just me, or did the oxes' > guitarist remind anyone else of a young jonathan richman? Hell, _Jonathan Richman_ reminds me of a young Jonathan Richman. > "There are 2 Neil Youngs now > 2 of them!" Ah! Now there's another album I like. (Creepers - Rock 'n' Roll Liquorice Flavour.) I've always figured the song that line's from - I can't remember the name at the moment - is a semi-parody of Bauhaus "Of Lilies and Remains," which seems way too goofy to not be a joke itself: "emitting a seemingly endless flow of endoplasmic white goo from ears and nostrils," "I will climb this high wall in rememb'rance of Clancy!" etc. All my records are liquorice flavoured. Fall/Three Johns connections there, right? Sorry - after 17 years working in record stores you'd think I'd know a little bit more behind the music, but I mostly listen and don't read. > It's *so* reassuring to see I'm not the only member of an earth sciences > department on the list :) Go Earth! A mineralogist, eh? Liked the new Underworld single when I heard it. So the whole album's not up to it? Also, did someone mention Clive Pig?! I still get goosebumps from "One Night in Greece with an American." Bum ba-diddy dum, bum ba-diddy dum. Playing: Fuck "Cupid's Cactus" Smelling of: Aveda Desert Primrose Arid in here innit? A - - - - - - Amy Myrbo Core Lab Manager Limnological Research Center University of Minnesota 310 Pillsbury Dr SE Mpls MN 55455 612-626-7889 fax 612-625-3819 amyrbo@umn.edu http://lrc.geo.umn.edu http://www.myrbo.com - - - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:38:08 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire in Chicago, etc. In a message dated 9/24/02 3:01:41 PM Central Daylight Time, rayographique@yahoo.com writes: << Miami Bass - now that's the f'in cut'n edge, ain't it? Maybe Wire ARE the outer limits in their editorial universe after all. My subscription will lapse. over and out >> what's wrong with a little Miami bass? reading about a direct decendent of NY electro and a relative of Detroit techno and Chicago acid house isn't such a bad thing.....so they did a feature on some music that's kind of fun in small doses..so what....nobody seems to complain when they do a gigantic piece on Bjork (who seemed to be the darling of Wire mag for quite some time).....i don't mind a look back in the history of different music..especially since most of the mag is devoted to new music and upcoming music it's not like they are moored in the past... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:19:41 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night's gig From: Andrew Westmeyer >Reuters was only played at the shows that didn't have >Pink Flag. Also, the lyrics were changed. And the >music. The new version sounds like Pink Flag. In >fact, it's even called Pink Flag on the set lists. Not true - in Boston we got Reuters (after Advantage in Height and before Lowdown) on the first encore [and it was the first ever rendition of Lowdown that I liked - and I thought it was a cool end to the show] - and Pink Flag on the second encore! Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:29:33 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Wire magazine review Howard asked: >> On another list I'm on there's been talk of a band called >> Interpol. Anyone >> heard their stuff? Nice mellow track on the cover mounted cd of this month's Uncut. Also includes a review of R&B 01, inside.....did you miss it Keith? AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:29:30 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: [idealcopy] Last nights ...erm..thread Seem to have lost the threads on the *Last nights gigs* recently. Seems that the IC massive managed to cover just about all of them! Thanks to all that have posted their reviews, it's been enjoyable reading, and nice to see so many contributors. Anyone got their table booked at the Concorde Rooms? AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:34:16 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: FW: [idealcopy] The Datsuns (was The Vines thread) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andrew Lumbard [mailto:andrew@lumbard.co.uk] >> Sent: 25 September 2002 20:30 >> To: Keith Astbury >> Subject: RE: [idealcopy] The Datsuns (was The Vines thread) >> >> >> >> Another band being really 'bigged up' if I can use that rather naff >> >> vernacular, are The Datsuns (from NZ I think). Their single has >> >> been getting >> >> praised in various quarters (Mark & Lard etc), despite sounding like a >> >> slightly more energetic Smoke On The Water. >> >> >> >> Horrid IMO. >> >> >> >> Keith >> >> Well, having been hyped into seeing The Strokes last year at the >> same venue, I took myself down to The Zodiac in Oxford (500 ish >> capacity)a coupla weeks ago to the Bellrays/D4/Datsuns gig. >> Datsuns on first, the place was heaving, 90 names on the guest >> list. Wouldn't say they were Horrid, they certainly worked hard >> enough, 3 guitars and drums. Sounded like they were about to >> launch into cover versions of Led Zep 3&4 tracks, didn't exactly >> float my boat. >> The D4, more Kiwis, which probably explained the guest list >> (bloody Oxford students!), were a lot better. Reminded me a >> little of Supergrass, but rawer, spikier, punkier and not so >> cartoony. Or it might just have been the sideburns! >> Bellrays - a tad disappointing. Maximum Rock 'n' Soul. Could >> have done with another guitar. Didn't really win the audience >> over, of which 20% had gone before they came on - Bloody Students!! >> >> AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:41:22 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire magazine review In a message dated 9/25/02 2:33:12 PM Central Daylight Time, andrew@lumbard.co.uk writes: << Howard asked: >> On another list I'm on there's been talk of a band called >> Interpol. Anyone >> heard their stuff? >> they are playing at a local club tonight...maybe i should check them out? Robert NP - Juan Atkins (as Infiniti) "Flash Flood" from Infiniti Collection ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 Eric Klaver wrote: ... /////////////////////////////////////// A very perceptive, compact description of Wire. I like it. Glad to have you aboard. Aside: Is it my perception only or does the list have a large proportion of ICers who live south of the Mason Dixon? Interesting if this is indeed true. why interesting,my experience of living 'down south' is there is a very rich history of folk 'being in to ' music and the arts,in my own town of chapel hill there are probably more music venues and clubs than churches,I love the choice and the low ticket prices,i know 3 club owners one of which,Frank Heath, owns the Cat's Cradle,a now internationaly recognised punk/ alternative/reggae/ venue for known as well as upcoming musicians.Ari. Eric in Toronto New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:58:19 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] gotta get out of digest mode . . . too many things at once >> speaking tangentially of which, was it just me, or did the oxes' >> guitarist remind anyone else of a young jonathan richman? > >Hell, _Jonathan Richman_ reminds me of a young Jonathan Richman. > >> "There are 2 Neil Youngs now >> 2 of them!" > >Ah! Now there's another album I like. (Creepers - Rock 'n' Roll >Liquorice Flavour.) I've always figured the song that line's from - I >can't remember the name at the moment - is a semi-parody of Bauhaus "Of >Lilies and Remains," which seems way too goofy to not be a joke itself: >"emitting a seemingly endless flow of endoplasmic white goo from ears and >nostrils," "I will climb this high wall in rememb'rance of Clancy!" etc. >All my records are liquorice flavoured. Fall/Three Johns connections >there, right? Sorry - after 17 years working in record stores you'd think >I'd know a little bit more behind the music, but I mostly listen and don't >read. > hmmm ... included the 3 johns' english white boy engineer & awol on one of the mix tapes i sent off to my host in arkansas yesterday (have made him any number of fall tapes over the years, & damn if thanks to atp *he's* now seen them & i haven't.) was going to include 2 by the creepers as well (another song about motorbikes was one -- can't remember whether it's off miserable sinners or liquorice flavour) but wanted to delve back into the earlier albums for the 2nd track, & at that time hadn't gotten round to alphabetizing my vinyl. now only about half the 12"s remain ... dan (the one who, yes, mentioned clive pig) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:19:07 -0500 From: "Gary Turner" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 I'm from Austin, actually. These yankees don't know how to rock, anyone will tell you that! Har har. The WIRE show at La Zona Rosa in Austin was incredible. They played Reuters, Pink Flag and Lowdown. I was pleased...the new stuff sounded really great. > Aside: Is it my perception only or does the list have a large proportion of > ICers who live south of the Mason Dixon? Interesting if this is indeed true. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:00:19 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire magazine review listened to a friend's tape of the album on the way back from ark & own a new(ish) ep -- pretty decent, i'd say. i think they've been dismissed fairly recently as utter gobshite by mr hick or someone else ... as good a reason as any to check them out, certainly. dan >In a message dated 9/25/02 2:33:12 PM Central Daylight Time, >andrew@lumbard.co.uk writes: > ><< Howard asked: > >> On another list I'm on there's been talk of a band called > >> Interpol. Anyone > >> heard their stuff? > >> > > >they are playing at a local club tonight...maybe i should check them out? > >Robert > >NP - Juan Atkins (as Infiniti) "Flash Flood" from Infiniti Collection ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:23:32 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 In a message dated 9/25/02 3:09:01 PM Central Daylight Time, luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: << Aside: Is it my perception only or does the list have a large proportion of ICers who live south of the Mason Dixon? Interesting if this is indeed true. >> there seems to be quite a few....but don't forget about Eric in Toronto....the Chicago boys (Paul, Miles etc.)...Robert out in SF....Syarzhuk in Boston...and li'l ol me in St. Lou....it's a nice distribution all around... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:25:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] re:the Datsuns ...will they change their name to the Nissans???? (Ari in a humorous mood) Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:08:59 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 well, lessee ... the south gave us (largely through, unfortunately, the importation & acculturation of slaves from africa) soul, jazz, gospel, country, rockabilly, rock & probably a few other styles of music that are eluding me at the moment. the north gave us ... doo-wop? ;-) dan, who's spent maybe 10 days of his life north of the mason-dixon line >I'm from Austin, actually. These yankees don't know how to rock, anyone will >tell you that! Har har. The WIRE show at La Zona Rosa in Austin was >incredible. They played Reuters, Pink Flag and Lowdown. I was pleased...the >new stuff sounded really great. > >> Aside: Is it my perception only or does the list have a large proportion >of >> ICers who live south of the Mason Dixon? Interesting if this is indeed >true. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:31:06 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 << I'm from Austin, actually. These yankees don't know how to rock, anyone will tell you that! Har har. >> ACH TUNG!!!!! Zere vill be NO lafink on IC.....or you vill be humilated and beaten vith zee Hick Stick and made to stand naked in zee freezing rain zee Nazi party does not tolerate lafink! Vun vould think zat kommandant Hick made an example out of zat Amerikan pig Robert Lynn......hahahahahaha...har har har INDEED! now back to your cell!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/25/02 3:09:01 PM Central Daylight Time, luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: << Aside: Is it my perception only or does the list have a large proportion of ICers who live south of the Mason Dixon? Interesting if this is indeed true. >> there seems to be quite a few....but don't forget about Eric in Toronto....the Chicago boys (Paul, Miles etc.)...Robert out in SF....Syarzhuk in Boston...and li'l ol me in St. Lou....it's a nice distribution all around...RL there ya go again Robert,crediting me with sumat i didn't write,s'not that I mind mind you,but i don't get the royalties......sent your c.d off yesterday,(and yours Keith) was mailed today.(what is this,a c.d store?)Ari (south of everywhere) I'll get me compass n.p:Sisters of Mercy-Floodland Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:41:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: << I'm from Austin, actually. These yankees don't know how to rock, anyone will tell you that! Har har. >> ACH TUNG!!!!! Zere vill be NO lafink on IC.....or you vill be humilated and beaten vith zee Hick Stick and made to stand naked in zee freezing rain zee Nazi party does not tolerate lafink! Vun vould think zat kommandant Hick made an example out of zat Amerikan pig Robert Lynn......hahahahahaha...har har har INDEED! now back to your cell!!! So NOW we know why you're in to leather! I'll get me whip.Ari New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:19:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02(again) dan bailey wrote: well, lessee ... the south gave us (largely through, unfortunately, the importation & acculturation of slaves from africa) soul, jazz, gospel, country, rockabilly, rock & probably a few other styles of music that are eluding me at the moment. the north gave us ... doo-wop? ;-) dan, who's spent maybe 10 days of his life north of the mason-dixon line Dan,how COULD you forget Cajun music,Blue Grass,Zydeco,there Must be more......Ari New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:19:30 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Michel Faber? That was my typo, Ian--same author and former list member. Monday, when a friend of mine was doing an in-store appearance for her book at The Booksmith on Haight Street (just down the street from where the I-Beam was, where I first saw Wire in 1987, sadly recently torn down) I got the list of authors appearing there in October. It's quite a list, including Chip Kidd, Irvine Welsh, Daniel Clowes and--Michel Faber. I might just have to go and meet a one-time list member for the first time, say hello, buy a book and expand my literary horizons. The reviews couldn't be better: ". . . a book like this is even better than sex."--Time Robert (another the) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bill Is Dead/Faber/S-S-S Star Eyes Is the 800 page sprawling prostitution epic definitely our Michel Faber? A couple of reviews I've seen credit it to Michael Faber. Is this a typo or a different author? Ian B> *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:22:01 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] gotta get out of digest mode . . . too many things at once On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 11:26:20AM -0500, Amy Myrbo wrote: > > It's *so* reassuring to see I'm not the only member of an earth sciences > > department on the list :) > > Go Earth! A mineralogist, eh? > Sort of: really a solid-state physicist interested in mineralogical systems. I start a PhD a week on Monday... "First-Principles Computational Methods for Disordered Systems" (simulation of order-disorder phase transitions in minerals). Department: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk , for what it's worth. (Mineral Physics group.) > Liked the new Underworld single when I heard it. Good single; also, watching MTV2 here, the Foo Fighters may be totally unoriginal and in general pretty average but *my god* do they seem so much better than all the nu-metal crap! They definitely shine by comparison, which is very worrying. - - Andrew - -- "Dissect a trillion sighs away - well, you got this letter, Jagged pulse slicing my veins; I write to remember." - At the Drive-In, "One Armed Scissor" ('Relationship of Command') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:53:27 -0700 From: "John M Campbell" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Michel Faber? Hi Robert, If you do speak to him ask him to stop by Santa Barbara Chers, johnc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cambra, Robert" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Michel Faber? > That was my typo, Ian--same author and former list member. > > Monday, when a friend of mine was doing an in-store appearance for her book > at The Booksmith on Haight Street (just down the street from where the > I-Beam was, where I first saw Wire in 1987, sadly recently torn down) I got > the list of authors appearing there in October. It's quite a list, including > Chip Kidd, Irvine Welsh, Daniel Clowes and--Michel Faber. I might just have > to go and meet a one-time list member for the first time, say hello, buy a > book and expand my literary horizons. The reviews couldn't be better: ". . > . a book like this is even better than sex."--Time > > Robert (another the) > > > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bill Is Dead/Faber/S-S-S Star Eyes > > Is the 800 page sprawling prostitution epic definitely our Michel Faber? A > couple of reviews I've seen credit it to Michael Faber. Is this a typo or a > different author? > > Ian B> > > > > *************************************************************** > This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed > and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; > any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply > e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:03:12 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frigbook (FAC5487234659845769348) Graeme got a night off from working in MacDonalds, searched for references to 'Bill Hick' in Outlook Express, and found that only I had invoked his sacred name. > To think you could get all of WIRE to scribble on a bit of paper for eleven > quid, and they'd chuck in a Weed Unburn CD to boot! > Fancy asking young fans to frig him for an autograph - so wock an woll! This is so lame I can't even be bothered to defend myself. > Savaged by a walking Toby Jug!!! Sorry Bill, this is lost on me. Are you saying I'm a walking Toby Jug? What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Explain. It doesn't make sense. Toby Jugs can't walk cos they don't have any legs. > > If Alexander was my mate I'd probably have advised him to a do a little > research by looking for answers to obvious questions on > www.wireviews.com > before interviewing Colin Newman > but he probably wouldn't listen Of course, nobody should even contemplate talking to Wire members unless they have a specially certified anorak and a comprehensive, encyclopaedic knowledge of the band's history tattooed on their brain. Oh and their own Fanzine which exists in their mind. The Progress is Nil. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:10:54 -0400 From: "Tom X. Chao" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire @ Irving Plaza 9/18/2002 notes After seeing them in 2000 I couldn't pass up a chance to see them again and move down towards the stage in Irving Plaza. I would have enjoyed the Oxes' music but found their bogus stage gimmicks (wearing dresses, jumping in the audience, puerile banter) insufferable. Their set was marred (or improved, depending on your point of view) by a heckler who insisted on trying to provoke them. I worked my way down to the floor from the balcony during their set and got a good spot stage left (audience right) almost within arm's reach of the stage. While waiting for the main act, the people down front who could see around the Irving Plaza video screen were treated to the sight of the Wire members adjusting their own gear. In particular, Graham came out and spent a long time taping down his bass pedals and stompboxes. I was amused to see Colin and Bruce come out wearing their own tour T-shirts! (Colin's untucked, Bruce's tucked.) I guess they're their own best salesmen. It's a bit unnerving to see how old they appear now. Colin looks like someone's dad (he is) with his completely casual clothes and artless jumping around, which was highly endearing. One of the coolest sights was Colin strumming the Steinberger electric with one hand while holding the mic in the other hand, during "Art of Stopping." I hadn't heard most of the newer material before seeing the show but recognized "Art of Stopping" and "Comet." The older material was much appreciated by me, having never seen them before 2000. Their stage banter was minimal and was in some part directed towards the loud heckler who kept trying to have a private conversation with the band. There's always one in every crowd. Later, "Lowdown" was spoiled by some guy jumping on stage and dancing around. Mostly the audience seemed well behaved. I seem to remember more people moshing in 2000. This time everyone seemed to be doing the polite head-bop, except for two guys who jammed up next to me and tried to mosh. Purchased both CD of Read & Burn 2 and T-shirt afterwards at the cost of $10 US each. Please post a set list, someone! Off-topic rambling: Saw Pere Ubu at Warsaw last night. TXC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] gotta get out of digest mode . . . too many things at once - --- Amy Myrbo wrote: > Hell, _Jonathan Richman_ reminds me of a young > Jonathan Richman. I was going to say the exact same thing ^)^ New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:42:54 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02(again) - --- Ari Britt wrote: > ...there Must be more......Ari lynerd skynerd? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:46:35 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 ....the Chicago boys (Paul, Miles > etc.)... AFAIK Miles is back in Nashville this week ^_^ Not sure which Paul is in Chi either One in NYC - One in Seatle (considerably north of the MDL and of course our lads are all from latitudes north of the MDL as well Oh yea - and lets not for get our expat charles/wmo who seems happy here in chi New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:14:27 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 In a message dated 9/25/02 4:29:16 PM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << the north gave us ... >> punk - -paul (i'm a native new yawka) c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #327 *******************************