From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #326 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, September 25 2002 Volume 05 : Number 326 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] re: achtung, shite... [Andrew Walkingshaw ] [idealcopy] R&B review in The Wire at last ["Fergus Kelly" ] [idealcopy] set lists? [matthew.pattillo@exxonmobil.com] [idealcopy] Let's Go Swimming.. [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Wire in Chicago, etc. [Michael Flaherty ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #320 [Amy Myrbo ] [idealcopy] Nothing Wrong with Pumping ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Mr Suit's Fucking Film ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Dave Crider / Monomen? ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Mr Marx's Table ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Frigbook (FAC5487234659845769348) ["Bill Hick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re: achtung, shite... On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 10:29:17PM -0600, Paul Ye wrote: > The German word for "shit" is "Scheisse". I bet "shite" is closer to what > the Dutch would say (just a guess). But English is a Germanic language so > it makes perfect sense. Besides shite sounds cool when you say it like > Ewen McGregor does in Train Spotting. "Scotland is shite! We're the > lowest of the low!" (Just for the record I am not bagging on Scotland). I am. Parochial, racist, inward-looking fuckup of a pseudo-nation. Irvine Welsh knows more than he lets on. - - Andrew, a Scot, in Edinburgh - -- ".... come and find me, I'll be waiting - with a gun and a pack of sandwiches..." - Radiohead, "Talk Show Host" ('Street Spirit', B-side) adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:31:12 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Madmen To Paul, who was unsure of the source of the profanity at the end of Madmen - - sounds very like Bruce to me... Fergus _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:49:18 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] R&B review in The Wire at last Well finally, the Wire have gotten 'round to reviewing R&B, in the October issue. Though you could be forgiven for missing it - it's right at the end of the Outer Limits section, a strange choice of location if ever there was one, as it's normally reserved for the likes of all manner of unclassifiable noise (though some people may regard this as a fair description of Wire...), from Merzbow (in the power category), to Bernhard Gunter (in the microsound category), and everything in between. It's not clear whether R&B 01 or 02 is being reviewed, as it's just referred to as Read and Burn, and no track titles are mentioned, but, for the most part, David Keenan gives it a positive review. I don't have the review to hand, as I'd quote it in it's entirety 'cos it's fairly short, but I do remember him describing Wire as being as volatile as a council of Afghan warlords, with nearly as much contempt for the world as for each other. Well, we know they've had their differences in the past, but surely this comment is a bit wide of the mark at the moment ? Fergus _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:09:04 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dome Singers In a message dated 9/23/02 11:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time, paulye154@hotmail.com writes: << This is from the very end of Madmen by Dome on the Dome 12 cd. It is right before The Red Tent.>>>> i know ! I don't know who says it, the voice is unfamiliar to me. If it was Bruce or Graham, I think I would recognize it.>>>>> it sounds like it's from a film to me.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:49:13 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dome Singers > it sounds like it's from a film to me.... I've allways thought so too... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:55:45 -0500 From: matthew.pattillo@exxonmobil.com Subject: [idealcopy] set lists? Has anyone posted setlists from the recent shows? If so, how do I view them? Matthew Pattillo, FMA JCI/ExxonMobil Dallas 214.951.2867 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:12:00 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Let's Go Swimming.. do any Ideal Copyists have "World of Echo" or "Tower of Meaning" by Arthur Russell? or either of the "Disco Not Disco" compilations from Strut Records UK ??? any help would be appreciated... thanks, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:36:02 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wire in Chicago, etc. >From: Rain19c@aol.com >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire in Chicago, Boston, New York > >>>>> ~Michael... >> When I talked to Robert, he said he was very happy with the live drum >> arrangements now, but implied that he would probably leave again if things >go >> the drum machine way of "Manscape" again.<<<<<< > >Keith: >>>I hope the other three are reading.<< > >I'm going to say that they probably know this, and that they don't want to >make the same mistake twice. Manscape and (especially) Wir were not mistakes. If the songs, as they do now, work best with live drums, great, but if they (Colin, Graham and Bruce) feel a need to work w/ more electronic things in the future, they should. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:44:47 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Dome Singers >From: "Paul Ye" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dome Singers > >This is from the very end of Madmen by Dome on the Dome 12 cd. It is right >before The Red Tent. I don't know who says it, the voice is unfamiliar to >me. If it was Bruce or Graham, I think I would recognize it. > >paulye154 It's Bruce. It's at the end of Dome 1 (not obvious in the cd version). Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:43:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Amy Myrbo Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #320 > who for a while had believed that when people referred to line dancing they > were actually saying LION dancing. Friend of mine used to live in a Mantis style kung fu dojo and participate in related cultural events, including actual lion dancing - y'know, some folks get underneath the long paper/cloth lion/dragon body and make the "animal" dance through the nice streets above throwing firecrackers and such. First time he mentioned it I thought he was going line dancing. > > << hands above sheets Keith! ;-) Boy, that line got a good big laugh when I used it last night . . . er, at a dinner out, after 6 L of Chianti/9 people, and that after a long beery Happy Hour - viva la Buca di Beppo. > LIMNOLOGY:the scientific study of bodies of fresh water:such as lakes and ponds,with reference to their physical.geolgraphical,biological and other features.(1890-95)Ari not just fresh water - a common misconception! There are plenty of salty pungent chemically wacky lakes out there. We say "inland waters," I guess. Can include running water (lentic, as vs. lotic, for you linguists) as well. We here study the water but more often the mud beneath. Sediment cores, climate history, biogeochemistry yeah. Esoteric? > > i still wanna know what "the smell of you" smells like Cologne - definitely man smelling, not perfume - that didn't make me swoon. Not as much as R&B02, at least. NW - J'adore by Christian Dior - - - - - - Amy Myrbo Core Lab Manager Limnological Research Center University of Minnesota 310 Pillsbury Dr SE Mpls MN 55455 612-626-7889 fax 612-625-3819 amyrbo@umn.edu http://lrc.geo.umn.edu http://www.myrbo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:41:34 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Nothing Wrong with Pumping >>>There is nothing wrong with turning up Pump as loud as the neighbors permit. But have you ever tried pumping up your neighbours as fat as turnips with perms? Make sure you wear leather trousers HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:39:37 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Mr Suit's Fucking Film >>>Paul, I think he was referring to the fucking film he wanted Tim to make. Grotesque visions welcomed by >>>Bart Dirty ol' Dutchman strikes again! Timbollina can make all the fucking-films he likes, just keep hoping none of us have to watch one!!!! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:40:28 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Dave Crider / Monomen? Are you the same Dave Crider who played guitar in the Monomen or another David Crider? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "There are 2 Neil Youngs now 2 of them!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:35:51 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Mr Marx's Table >You've come a long way >For such a short stay >And I'm sad to say >It's too late too pray >I couldn't see the first verse, but I know it included the line "You've crossed the line". It is / was "It's a long long climb It's a long long time You have crossed the line" Follows a similar theme to Germ Ship, which it follows in the set and and perhaps also links to 99.9 - ideas of religion started inadvertantly by alien visitation? I think 99.9 is about sexual confusion of necrophiliac visitors from Outer Space, the clue is in the line "Afforded temptation by cemetry" (and I'm waiting for the Meninblack) Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Chris Brokaw - Red Cities (12XU) www.chrisbrokaw.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:42:45 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Frigbook (FAC5487234659845769348) >>>I read the frigging book before I saw the film ACTUALLY! Its even signed by Tony friggin' Wilson. Is that enough for yer? To think you could get all of WIRE to scribble on a bit of paper for eleven quid, and they'd chuck in a Weed Unburn CD to boot! That Wilson is a canny sod! Fancy asking young fans to frig him for an autograph - so wock an woll! Hope he didn't stain his "nice suit"! Was he wearing leather trousers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH >>>For fucks sake! You're not a mate of Bill Hick are you? Savaged by a walking Toby Jug!!! If Alexander was my mate I'd probably have advised him to a do a little research by looking for answers to obvious questions on www.wireviews.com before interviewing Colin Newman but he probably wouldn't listen Why should he? A quick read of "Everybody Loves a History" by Kevin S Eden wouldn't hurt either Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:06:25 +0100 From: "Gary Owens" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re: achtung, shite... - ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re: achtung, shite... > On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 10:29:17PM -0600, Paul Ye wrote: > > The German word for "shit" is "Scheisse". I bet "shite" is closer to what > > the Dutch would say (just a guess). But English is a Germanic language so > > it makes perfect sense. Besides shite sounds cool... > indeed... a quality word, made even more fun by adding the pre-fix ' Gob' i.e. Tony Blair is a total Gobshite np 'the key's snapped off' Fray Bentos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:54:00 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frigbook (FAC5487234659845769348) In a message dated 9/24/02 1:49:25 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: << Hope he didn't stain his "nice suit"! Was he wearing leather trousers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH >> actually a stained suit jacket and some leather trousers would be a cool look...rather "punk" don'tcha think? HAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAA leather trousers are fun... me like... yum.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:41:29 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frigbook (FAC5487234659845769348) In a message dated 9/24/02 1:49:25 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: << Was he wearing leather trousers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH >> damn..i just knew i shoulda used the standard: LOL Robert - who thinks some people are playground bullies who hate to see anyone have a little fun.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:00:19 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire in Chicago, etc. ... > >>>I hope the other three are reading.<< > > > >I'm going to say that they probably know this, and > that they don't want to > >make the same mistake twice. ... > Manscape and (especially) Wir were not mistakes. If > the songs, as they do > now, work best with live drums, great, but if they > (Colin, Graham and > Bruce) feel a need to work w/ more electronic things > in the future, they > should. and thankfully will, regardless what the anyone else might have to say about it there is very little in the wire (and related) canon i would consider a mistake - and even the one effort i judge a mistake (nameless) is emmiinently more listenable that some other artist's creative pinnacles. which is why they are wire and we are the IC . ^)^ in re: 'the' wire review - i suspect it was R'n'B 01 as 02 is 'not a commercial release' and there are no review copies in re(dun): the wire - i don't recall if i asked did anyone else think they had travelled back in time 3 or 4 years looking at the last issue? Miami Bass - now that's the f'in cut'n edge, ain't it? Maybe Wire ARE the outer limits in their editorial universe after all. My subscription will lapse. over and out New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:53:17 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #320 On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 09:43:27AM -0500, Amy Myrbo wrote: > > LIMNOLOGY:the scientific study of bodies of fresh water:such as lakes > and ponds,with reference to their physical.geolgraphical,biological and > other features.(1890-95)Ari > > not just fresh water - a common misconception! There are plenty of salty > pungent chemically wacky lakes out there. We say "inland waters," I > guess. Can include running water (lentic, as vs. lotic, for you > linguists) as well. We here study the water but more often the mud > beneath. Sediment cores, climate history, biogeochemistry yeah. > Esoteric? It's *so* reassuring to see I'm not the only member of an earth sciences department on the list :) - - Andrew - -- "Hey, wait, I've got a real complaint; forever in debt to your priceless advice." - Nirvana, "Heart-Shaped Box" ('In Utero') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:49:57 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: THE CLEAN - ANTHOLOGY 2xCD just received this from flying nun records... > The Clean 'Anthology' 2xCD > > Announcing the forthcoming career retrospective from The Clean. > > Painstakingly compiled by the band themselves ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:16:55 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire in Chicago, etc. > >>>I hope the other three are reading.<< > > > >I'm going to say that they probably know this, and that they don't want to > >make the same mistake twice. > > Manscape and (especially) Wir were not mistakes. No, but they were disappointing to a lot of us. I'm with the reader who loves IBTABA btw. Great album. > If the songs, as they do > now, work best with live drums, great, but if they (Colin, Graham and > Bruce) feel a need to work w/ more electronic things in the future, they > should. > > Michael Flaherty Slow & So...is one of my all-time fave singles, but imagine how different things would have been if Robert hadn't left, and Wire hadn't become Wir. Would they really have split up after just one more album? I guess we'll never know. But...if Colin, Graham & Bruce do feel the need to work with more electronic things in the future, maybe they could do that AND Wire. If not, good luck to them. Like you (and most people here I guess), I don't go with the 'group must pander to the audience thing', otherwise we're left with Status Quo. Not a band that's just basically playing their current output on their latest tour. Keith NP Arnold - Barn Tapes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:19:53 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frigbook (FAC5487234659845769348) > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH >> > > damn..i just knew i shoulda used the standard: LOL You're right to use Hahahaha, Robert. LOL always reminds me of the pisshead who tried to sue Robert Smith for unfair dismissal ; ) Keith ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #326 *******************************