From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #325 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, September 24 2002 Volume 05 : Number 325 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] accidental club attendance ["Eric Klaver" ] [idealcopy] Fall Tour ["Sheridan Cooper's" ] Re: [idealcopy] daf neubaten ["dan bailey" ] RE: [idealcopy] New guy intro ["Eric Klaver" ] RE: [idealcopy] Recent wire shows ["Eric Klaver" ] RE: [idealcopy] daf neubaten ["Creaig Dunton" ] Re: [idealcopy] daf neubaten blumfeld [Bart van Damme ] RE: [idealcopy] electronics and drums ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall Tour ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Bill Is Dead/Faber/S-S-S Star Eyes ["Ian B" ] [idealcopy] Fall in SF, this [Santa Cruzer ] [idealcopy] OT: Pop Records This Week ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall in SF, this ["Tim" ] [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy] reuters (was: last night's gig) ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall Tour ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] reuters (was: last night's gig) [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] reuters (was: last night's gig) [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] re: achtung, shite... ["Paul Ye" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:10:00 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] accidental club attendance Correct on the acronym. I would start with some Sloan fan sites if you can bear it. Eric in Toronto //////////////////////// In a message dated 9/20/02 7:55:50 AM, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: << one of the guys from Sloan used to be in a band called Black Pool just before they formed (they were all art school types going to NOSCAD) >> would that be something like nova scotia college of art and design? could be, if they sounded like the fall and joy division rolled into one four piece band. at least it's a place to start a search! thanks, paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:08:32 -0400 From: "Vegas, Greg (WMG ADA)" Subject: [idealcopy] WIRE LIVE NYC Ok my first posting for this group since I've been a voyeur for many years now. THought the NYC (9/18) gig at Irving Plaza was very exciting. How else could it be - its WIRE. about 5mins longer than last time. Not enough of the old stuff (1 or 2 more would've been great). But hey...its WIRE . THey do what ever they feel. And that's fine with me. And they were as "punk rock" as ever. Very loud. I am continually amazed how misunderstood WIRE is. I heard one guy claim "This was more like it. I saw them in 86 and they were shit! playing Euro-disco". I was at that show and I though it was great - playing Drill and Ahead twice to confuse everyone. Even the last tour with the "HITS"- no one but the die hards like my self dug it - cus it wasn't a complete revival tour. How silly. I felt bad for the Goth looking people- they looked very confused! Although I can see the frustration for the casual listener. They have many periods of varying sounds. I love the Read & Burn Cds. I realized how much Read & Burn 2 reminded me of the "LAnd Of Rape & Honey " Ministry period. Especially with Colin's treated vocals. Looking forward to hearing more! Greg Vegas NYC. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:01:54 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] fall tour anyone going to any of the upcoming fall gigs? usual no-show in the west mids , tho gloucester looks a possibility. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:46:36 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dome Singers In a message dated 9/16/02 12:23:01 PM Central Daylight Time, paulye154@hotmail.com writes: << He never did take to Wire much, but because of the sillyness, loved Dome. We would sing along and every once in a while at work he or I would yell (after spitting a huge one) "anyone touch these f'ing bags, I'll cut your f'ing head off with a f'ing ax. I'll f'ing piss on em'." One of my favorite vulgar moments. I send that sound bite to the mates now and then just as a reminder. >> what film is this from? RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:04:27 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Futureheads This received from the Artrocker list apropos of a gig this Thursday in London, probably at 259 Upper St N1: FUTUREHEADS About the only UK band to be matching the US invasion of New Wave bands (Interpol/ GoGoGo Airheart/ LIARS) taking early XTC and WIRE as their template. New single "Nul Book Standard" is out now on Project Cosmonaut They're from Sunderland apparently (northern England industrial town, for those unfamiliar with English topography). Not sure if they've got a mention here before (I can't go incidentally). another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:22:24 +0100 From: "Sheridan Cooper's" Subject: [idealcopy] Fall Tour I would like to see the Fall again but can they ever return to form. I'm not expecting them to hit the heights of the Hex Enduction or Bend Sinister periods. I'm a big Fall fan and I've seen them many times, but I know I'll get something new from Wire. However I did go to Lee Hazelwood this week, nothing new there I guess. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:27:33 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] daf neubaten speaking of bits seen on video years ago (as i believe someone was doing awhile back), i could swear i caught a minute or 2 on mtv's 120 minutes back in '89 of live footage -- possibly from a documentary -- of einsturzende neubaten covering one of my longtime favorites, daf's ich und die wircklichkeit (which i know from the earcom sampler 2). ring a bell (or a cup) for anyone? or maybe all german songs sound alike to me (& maybe this one is the teutonic equivalent in significance to anarchy in the uk) ... though if they do, i really need to check out lots more daf. could've sworn i bought a remaindered cassette some years ago, but right now all i can come up with is die krupps' metall maschinen musik & a couple of pankows. dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:31:28 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] daf neubaten well, first off i'm happy to report that i spoke a tad too soon -- just came across the below-mentioned cassette, die kleinen und die bosen, on my shelves. seems to be copyright 1990, so presumably isn't one of "the important ones," but i'll see how it strikes me. dan >In a message dated 9/23/02 2:09:05 PM Central Daylight Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > ><< i really need to check out lots more daf. could've sworn > i bought a remaindered cassette some years ago, but right now all i can come > up with is die krupps' metall maschinen musik & a couple of pankows. > > dan > >> > > >Hey Dan, how are ya?....i have most of the DAF albums (the important ones >anyway..i.e. all of the early ones) on cd now...maybe i could burn you some? > >Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:49:27 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] New guy intro From one old guy(me) to one slightly older guy (you), welcome. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:54:27 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Recent wire shows I believe all the North American Wire dates have the same set list from the postings on the list. You can see the Toronto set list (nabbed from Graham's monitor) at www.elysium-sl.com/wire.htm Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jim Ballard Sent: September 22, 2002 2:00 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Recent wire shows Quote: __________________________________________________________ >Hi, all-- >I'm new to the list and am wondering if anyone's been to any of the >recent shows. They're playing here tonight (Austin, TX) and I'm >wondering what to expect. >Thanks, >Luis ___________________________________________________________ I saw them in San Diego on 9/7. Good show, but I'm still too unfamiliar with Read and Burn and the first 3 CDs to tell what they played. I'm pretty sure that the whole set consisted of nothing but R&B and Pink Flag material. I was introduced to Wire during their 'second phase', so I'm more in-tune w/Ideal Copy, Bell, etc. I had a feeling they wouldn't be playing any of that material (at some gigs, they have been playing Advantage In Height). I like all of Wire's material - I just need to get more familiar with the older and new material. If anyone does know what the set list was in San Diego, could you please post it here? I'd appreciate it. Jim Phoenix, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:51:36 -0400 From: "Creaig Dunton" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] daf neubaten > well, first off i'm happy to report that i spoke a tad too soon > -- just came > across the below-mentioned cassette, die kleinen und die bosen, on my > shelves. seems to be copyright 1990, so presumably isn't one of "the > important ones," but i'll see how it strikes me. > > dan > Die Kleinen Und Die Bosen is actually their second album, from '80 I believe... the second half was recorded live when DAF opened for Wire at the Electric Ballroom. Great album too, as is all of the DAF I've heard barring _1st Step To Heaven_...(Shudder) - -- Creaig Dunton http://www.2fmp.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:58:40 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] daf neubaten blumfeld > or maybe all german songs sound alike to me (& maybe this > one is the teutonic equivalent in significance to anarchy in the uk) Perhaps a bit later than EN are Blumfeld [from Hamburg?] wich tape I cannot find either but quite enjoyed. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:07:01 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] last night's gig Andrew: There was only one encore in Portland, but it contained all 3 songs. Robert was walking away after Lowdown, but Colin waved him back. Reuters was only played at the shows that didn't have Pink Flag. Also, the lyrics were changed. And the music. The new version sounds like Pink Flag. In fact, it's even called Pink Flag on the set lists. ////////////////////// Toronto: Two encores Advantage in Height, Lowdown then Reuters and Pink Flag (don't remember if anything was changed about it). Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:07:00 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] electronics and drums I recall a Roland OctoPad (siolver colour) and one of those "Air Machine" things (Red and round) or something similar. Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of rayographique Sent: September 22, 2002 11:21 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] electronics and drums anyone else notice what appeared to be some sort of electronic drum 'trigger' device to robert's left some sort of box at least the backward sample *did* show up in 'the art of stopping' in chicago hmmm i certainly never understood the need to program drums when you have a robert - hard to get much mor metronomic (he did play fills in a couple songs here as well - scary) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:09:48 -0700 From: "John M Campbell" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall Tour The show the Fall did at the Crocodile Lounge in Seattle last year was, in the opinion of many FallNet people in the audience, was as good as any anyone had seen in a decade. It was different but M.E.S. was in good form and the band was hot. Cheers, johnc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheridan Cooper's" To: "wire" Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Fall Tour > I would like to see the Fall again but can they ever return to form. I'm not > expecting them to hit the heights of the Hex Enduction or Bend Sinister > periods. I'm a big Fall fan and I've seen them many times, but I know I'll get > something new from Wire. However I did go to Lee Hazelwood this week, nothing > new there I guess. > > Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:13:42 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall Tour > I would like to see the Fall again but can they ever return to form. I'm not > expecting them to hit the heights of the Hex Enduction or Bend Sinister > periods. I was playing Shiftwork just a couple of hours ago. The Book of Lies was the one that did it for me today, folks. BTW Anyone else out there find Noel Gallaghers comments re. Graham Coxon leaving Blur just a little bit ironic? Damon (according to Noel) had apparently said Blur should be grateful to have him in the band. Cue the Oasis man's response... 'You can't be saying things like that to your bandmates you've grown up'. No I suppose not. But you could, in the case of the drummer, just sack him! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:40:42 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bill Is Dead/Faber/S-S-S Star Eyes - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Roberts > The Fall's 'Bill is Dead' has been covered by the Sick Anchors. See > http://www.mogwai.co.uk/medialib/resources/billisdead.mp3 In a record shop a couple of months back I heard a version of Bill is Dead which sounded very much like Arab Strap - anybody know if they've done a cover or if or if there's a link between Sick Anchors and Arab Strap/Aidan Moffatt? On the subject of Arab Strap/Moffatt (now playing, as it happens) anybody heard the Lucky Pierre album? Any views? Is the 800 page sprawling prostitution epic definitely our Michel Faber? A couple of reviews I've seen credit it to Michael Faber. Is this a typo or a different author? The 'Charts' page in the latest edition of The Wire has a list which includes S-S-S Star Eyes from Newman's A-Z. Not that these personally compiled lists are of anything other than diversionary interest (this one also included Seaside Rendezvous by Queen!) but it was good to see one of my favourite Colin Newman tracks get a mention. Ian B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:48:23 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] electronics and drums In a message dated 9/22/02 11:21:07 PM, rayographique@yahoo.com writes: << anyone else notice what appeared to be some sort of electronic drum 'trigger' device to robert's left some sort of box at least the backward sample *did* show up in 'the art of stopping' in chicago >> yes. i was looking to see who was triggering the sounds in art of stopping and thought it might've been him. another q: has anyone been to a show recently where pink flag was played more like the album version, as they did in 2000? - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:53:55 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night's gig In a message dated 9/23/02 1:14:49 AM, anw7pima@yahoo.com writes: << Reuters was only played at the shows that didn't have Pink Flag. Also, the lyrics were changed. And the music. The new version sounds like Pink Flag. In fact, it's even called Pink Flag on the set lists. >> at irving plaza we got advantage, reuters, and lowdown, followed by pink flag. now, i'm not good with lyrics in the first place, but i always assumed that at the end of reuters the vocals were a play on the title. what i distinctly heard/saw graham singing (and possibly colin too) was the word rape. is that what's on the record? - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:12:32 -0500 From: David Crider Subject: [idealcopy] Austin show Back from the Austin show. I and many others were rightly impressed with the show. Most of the people I talked to had not seen Wire belore and had been waiting since as far back as 1977. One guy saw them twice in Germany in 1978 & 1979 said they were as good as he remembered. Of course Colin opened with 99.9. He had to tell them to increase the volume 3 times until it was ear-shattering enough for his tastes. Advantage in Height was the 3rd song in the set! Closing was I Don't Understand. 1st encore was Reuters and Lowdown. 2nd encore was Pink Flag. Then with a "Goodbye Texas and goodbye USA" from Colin, they were gone. One of the best hours of my life. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:03:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] Fall in SF, this http://www.musichallsf.com/artist_pages/fall_100902.html ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 02:05:22 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Pop Records This Week Cue Jingle..... Pop-a-doodle-doo listeners! Whats in the hit parade this week pop pickers? (If you don't wanna read it...scroll and delete it!) I find the new Underworld LP very dissapointing after the Manic Pop Thrill of their latest single. A damn shame. Nice Eddy Grant style squelchy bassline on one track...and er...that's it. A couple of meandering acoustic bits attempt to drag it down to alt-country worthiness. A waste of a CD. Take it back and swap it for one of the following: Polyphonic Spree - "The Beginning Stages Of...". Presses a lot of 'instantly cool US band' buttons...The slightly off-key Neil Young vocals beloved of Flaming Lips, the Beatle/Beach Boy harmonising, the Mercury Rev wibblyness. But the key selling point here is that there are 25 people in the band! The result is a sort of Cecil B.deMille version of alt-us-pop. Flaming Lips as Hollywood Blockbuster Musical soundtrack maybe. There are lots of voices, and unruly trumpets and horns in the mix, reminds me of Olivia Tremor Control. And when the massed choir of vocalists kicks in....it gets a bit 'Hair'! But the impact of the 'big band' sound is unavoidably impressive. I suspect they will do better, and exploit their sheer size to greater effect on later records. For now, the songs aren't quite good enough. 10 out of 10 for originality though. I wouldn't fancy being their tour manager. Imagine the bill when they check in for lunch at Scratchwood Services. But I suspect that like Godspeed, they will make a lot more sense live...and I already have the tickets. I'm looking forward to seeing how 25 musicians will fit on the stage of Academy 3, Manchester. And rumours about them being a real cult abound. Mind you, Bill Hick once told me I was a cult. At least I think that's what he said. Low - Trust You know Low by now. If you don't, buy their last album which is a bit better than this. But this is still great. Still So Sad they make you feel better. This sounds like Joy Division, playing very slowly, in a church, with Angels on backing vocals. In fact it was in fact recorded in a church so I suspect a lot of the reverb is real. Lots of authentic creaking, rattling of keys and buzzing guitar strings on the intros but I'll forgive them that indulgence. In return you get lots of dreamy chord progressions, lots of high, highs and lots of low lows. The sound is much denser...there are buzz-saw basses, and Martin Hannett snares, and in between funereal dirges they occasionally let rip. Its also got 'John Prine' on it, which I remember from their live shows as they sang the vocal tag 'off-mike'....makes the room go cold. Brrrr! How Low can you go? Alright?! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 02:13:10 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall in SF, this "Fans of The Fall, among them many students, remained resolutely loyal..." I bet Mark will love that bit. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Santa Cruzer" To: "IdealCopy" Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:03 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Fall in SF, this > http://www.musichallsf.com/artist_pages/fall_100902.html > > ===== > Rick Hindman, 3R Productions > PO Box 7770 > Santa Cruz, CA 95062 > t: (831) 425-7335 > f: (831) 425-7356 > http://3rproductions.com > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 01:20:37 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 A few thoughts on the Atlanta show this past Saturday, with the disclaimer that I'm posting for the first time on this mailing list and apologize for any redundancy on Atlanta show comments: This Wire concert was remarkable, all in all. I never thought that Wire would make new music together, I never thought that they would ever visit Atlanta, and, most importantly, I never thought that they would rock as hard as they did when/if they finally did visit Atlanta. I knew beforehand that Wire would concentrate on new material, as I had read a few superb Wire articles in local Atlanta newspapers over the past week; this makes perfect sense to me because I've always pictured Wire as a band that has always looked forward instead of resting on the past. Having purchased Read & Burn 01 on the week of release, I was looking forward to hearing the "third phase" of Wire onstage. I was not familiar with the songs from R&B 02, however, until I heard Wire play them on Saturday night and after listening to the EP pretty much constantly since Saturday night. "99.9" was a good opener and I enjoyed the way that Newman took stage alone and sang to the pre-recorded music; this opener achieved a fine "calm before the storm" effect. "Spent" and "Raft Ants" (is this or is this not the hardest song that you've heard in recent memory?) were both intense in the tight confines of Echo Lounge. I loved these tracks onstage, although I did not know the titles to the songs until I listened to R&B 02 later on. The material from R&B 01 was spot-on in concert; "Germ Ship", "The Agfers Of Kodack", and "I Don't Understand" were the ones that really stood out. I loved the performance of "The Agfers Of Kodack", in particular. The R&B 01 recording of "The Agfers..." is lightning fast, like a lightweight boxer darting around the ring; the performance of "The Agfers..." on Saturday night was, by contrast, had more of a crunch and lumbered like a bulldozer from Hell...Lewis sang in a more menacing tone than on the recorded version. Great stuff. The two encores were the stuff of classic concert memories. When Wire played "Advantage In Height", my mind went blank and, although I recognized the tune, I couldn't place the name...only after looking through my catalogue did I realize that it was "Advantage In Height". My excuse: I expected to hear material from R&B 01, post-R&B 01 stuff, and Pink Flag; I didn't expect Wire to play a track from The Ideal Copy, let alone anything from the "dugga dugga" era. "Reuters" was killer onstage; the menacing bassline at the conclusion of the song sounded better than ever. "Lowdown" rocked. "Pink Flag"...can't add much that other Wire fans have probably already said. It was a perfect way to end the night. Classic show, period. Colin Newman's menacingly calm vocals, Gotobed's (Grey's) thundering percussion, Lewis's intense performance that commanded almost as much attention as Newmans, Gilbert playing to the side of the stage like an anonymous guitar tech. The whole package rocked. For those of you reading this who made it to the Atlanta show from out of town, I hope that you enjoyed your stay and I also hope that the flash-flooding on Saturday night was not too much of an inconvenience; several roads were closed while I was driving to Echo Lounge. For future reference, Krispy Kreme Doughnuts is only a few miles from Echo Lounge and is a great place to get a sugar rush before a show. The doughnuts are made in the building and they always pull the glazed doughnuts right off of the conveyor belt and package them when you order them. Now that I've bored all of you with the Atlanta gig comments, I'll now tell you a little about myself since I'm new here. My name is Jason, I live in the north metro Atlanta area (Smyrna), and I work in the environmental field here in Atlanta. I first discovered Wire in 1989 when I was a senior in high school. After hearing "Eardrum Buzz" on MTV's 120 Minutes and on local college radio, I knew that the band was a keeper. Since I lived in a relatively rural area of Georgia at the time, I knew nothing of Wire other than the fact that It's Beginning To And Back Again had some great songs; I didn't realize that Wire had made albums in the 70's until years later when I read an article in college...lol). My favorite Wire albums are now Pink Flag, Chairs Missing, and 154 (the art punk "trio", so to say), but the late 80's incarnation of Wire will always sound like home to me because that's how I discovered the band. It's Beginning To And Back Again is thrashed by many, but I've always felt that it was a criminally underrated record. Even the often-ridiculed Wir - The First Letter has some keepers, in my opinion. My favorite Wire songs: "Mannequin", "Ex-Lion Tamer", "The 15th", "Outdoor Miner", "A Touching Display", "The Offer", "German Shepherds", "Kidney Bingos"....and, most recently, "Germ Ship" and "Trash/Treasure". That's all. My other favorite bands include The Cure, Joy Division/New Order, Echo And The Bunnymen, Pixies, My Bloody Valentine, Mogwai, etc. As far as recent albums are concerned, I have to recommend Interpol - Turn On The Bright Lights. It's an amazing album. Thanks for having me aboard. Jason _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night's gig Mea culpa! In addition to the testimonials on this list, I have received the definitive word that YES INDEED Wire did play a (modified) version of Reuters at some shows in the second half of the tour. Our friends in Wire would like to say thanks to everyone who came out to support them on the North American tour. On another note... Did anyone else think the average age of the crowd was younger on this tour than on the 2000 tour? Andrew - --- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/23/02 1:14:49 AM, anw7pima@yahoo.com writes: > > << Reuters was only played at the shows that didn't have Pink Flag. > > at irving plaza we got advantage, reuters, and lowdown, followed by > pink flag. New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:09:18 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] reuters (was: last night's gig) - -----Original Message----- From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com To: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night's gig >In a message dated 9/23/02 1:14:49 AM, anw7pima@yahoo.com writes: > ><< Reuters was only played at the shows that didn't have Pink Flag. Also, >the lyrics were changed. And the music. The new version sounds like >Pink Flag. In fact, it's even called Pink Flag on the set lists. >> > >at irving plaza we got advantage, reuters, and lowdown, followed by pink >flag. now, i'm not good with lyrics in the first place, but i always assumed >that at the end of reuters the vocals were a play on the title. what i >distinctly heard/saw graham singing (and possibly colin too) was the word >rape. is that what's on the record? yep -- as in "looting ... burning ... raaaaaaaaaape." couldn't really be much of a play on the title anyway, i don't think, as reuters is pronounced "royters," at least in the newspaper biz, southern u.s. branch. or maybe "rape" *is* a play on certain of my (ahem) beloved profession's propensities ... dan > >-another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:10:17 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night's gig certainly was in atlanta 2002 vs. chicago 2000. can't speak for any other shows, sad to say. dan >On another note... Did anyone else think the average age of the crowd >was younger on this tour than on the 2000 tour? > >Andrew > >--- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 9/23/02 1:14:49 AM, anw7pima@yahoo.com writes: >> >> << Reuters was only played at the shows that didn't have Pink Flag. >> >> at irving plaza we got advantage, reuters, and lowdown, followed by >> pink flag. >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:20:01 -0400 From: "Jeff Chenault" Subject: [idealcopy] WIRE in Atlanta I just had to post my complete amazement at the WIRE performance last Saturday at the Echo Lounge. They were fucking incredible!! Hadn't heard the "Read and Burn 2" yet so I knew I was in for a few surprises. Damn, if this shit isn't better than R&B 1. They are VERY hot right now and I am glad I flew down from Columbus, Ohio to attend this gig. I missed Chicago because I was on vacation in another part of the country. My highlight of the evening was getting the promo poster for the event from the nice folks over at Wax and Facts and then getting the entire band to sign it after the show. They mentioned they have lots of new stuff coming out in 2003 as well as a new Bruce Gilbert project. Get this, I got there 2 hours early and decided to drink a few beers at a club called Flatirons right down the street and when I went to go relieve myself, written right on the wall obove the urinal was "WIRE ARE GODS". Needless to say this made me smile bigtime. Also, the local issue of Stomp and Stammer had a nice Wire article/interview with Colin Newman. What a great night. Thanks guys!!! Now who on this list has some copies of any of the US gigs? "And the chorus goes, and the chorus goes.....ba ba ba ba ba bang!" Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:43:57 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall Tour as i've already noted off list to dan rose, looks like our only hope down south lies in the following entry on the band's website for the week of oct 21-26. surely they could swerve on over to atlanta or even nashville ... or, hell, i'd gladly drive to memphis, which is only some 300 miles from here. >>?? Memphis (possibly a gig -- they've booked studio time in Memphis) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:47:06 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] reuters (was: last night's gig) In a message dated 9/23/02 11:09:50 PM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << couldn't really be much of a play on the title anyway, i don't think, as reuters is pronounced "royters," >> looting, burning, raaaaaaaaape makes perfect sense now, hehe. told you i wasn't one for lyrics. i wonder if this is why the majority of my own music remains instrumental :o) anyway, i just always heard the graham parts at the end as being the british (and i'm thinking monty python & the holy grail "roight, one rabbit stew coming right up") ya know, the word right pronounced more like the royt in reuters. i'll get me helmet and chainmail, paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:52:25 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Atlanta show 9/21/02 >For those of you reading this who made it to the Atlanta show from out of >town, I hope that you enjoyed your stay and I also hope that the >flash-flooding on Saturday night was not too much of an inconvenience; >several roads were closed while I was driving to Echo Lounge. the route(s) that mr rose led me along avoided this sort of thing nicely, i'm happy to report. i'm also happy to report that, as if in answer to prayer, it finally rained the next day in montgomery, right before my exhausted self would've had to hit the softball field behind my house ... For future >reference, Krispy Kreme Doughnuts is only a few miles from Echo Lounge and >is a great place to get a sugar rush before a show. >The doughnuts are made >in the building and they always pull the glazed doughnuts right off of the >conveyor belt and package them when you order them. don't mention those evilly irresistible bastards. i drove past montgomery's tonight -- it's about 5 miles down the highway from my abode. otherwise, jason, sounds like you'll fit right in here. dunno how many other listmembers are from atlantis (as graham, i think, referred to the city), but among southerners in general dan rose is from columbus, i'm a reluctant inmate in montgomery (though spiritually an arkansan) & ari britt is somewhere in north carolina. probably there are others whose places of origin have slipped my mind. dan >Now that I've bored all of you with the Atlanta gig comments, I'll now tell >you a little about myself since I'm new here. My name is Jason, I live in >the north metro Atlanta area (Smyrna), and I work in the environmental field >here in Atlanta. I first discovered Wire in 1989 when I was a senior in >high school. After hearing "Eardrum Buzz" on MTV's 120 Minutes and on >local college radio, I knew that the band was a keeper. Since I lived in a >relatively rural area of Georgia at the time, I knew nothing of Wire other >than the fact that It's Beginning To And Back Again had some great songs; I >didn't realize that Wire had made albums in the 70's until years later when >I read an article in college...lol). My favorite Wire albums are now Pink >Flag, Chairs Missing, and 154 (the art punk "trio", so to say), but the late >80's incarnation of Wire will always sound like home to me because that's >how I discovered the band. It's Beginning To And Back Again is thrashed by >many, but I've always felt that it was a criminally underrated record. >Even the often-ridiculed Wir - The First Letter has some keepers, in my >opinion. > >My favorite Wire songs: "Mannequin", "Ex-Lion Tamer", "The 15th", "Outdoor >Miner", "A Touching Display", "The Offer", "German Shepherds", "Kidney >Bingos"....and, most recently, "Germ Ship" and "Trash/Treasure". > >That's all. My other favorite bands include The Cure, Joy Division/New >Order, Echo And The Bunnymen, Pixies, My Bloody Valentine, Mogwai, etc. As >far as recent albums are concerned, I have to recommend Interpol - Turn On >The Bright Lights. It's an amazing album. > >Thanks for having me aboard. > > >Jason > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:57:03 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] reuters (was: last night's gig) >looting, burning, raaaaaaaaape makes perfect sense now, hehe. told you i >wasn't one for lyrics. i wonder if this is why the majority of my own music >remains instrumental :o) whereas, as noted previously, instrumentals do almost nothing for me ... maybe because i work with words for a living (albeit at the moment for a particularly vile example of an evil gannett corp newspaper)? dunno. speaking tangentially of which, was it just me, or did the oxes' guitarist remind anyone else of a young jonathan richman? dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:02:42 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bill Is Dead/Faber/S-S-S Star Eyes - - > >The 'Charts' page in the latest edition of The Wire has a list which >includes S-S-S Star Eyes from Newman's A-Z. Not that these personally >compiled lists are of anything other than diversionary interest (this one >also included Seaside Rendezvous by Queen!) but it was good to see one of my >favourite Colin Newman tracks get a mention. > >Ian B stuck that one on a colin tape i cobbled together at lunch for the friend back home i'm shipping 6 r&b 2's to (no doubt at least 3 or 4 will wind up in our mutual friend's store, depending on whether his roommate picked up any copies at the chicago gig, but that's capitalism ...), along with about 2/3rds of the rest of a-z; tracks 1, 3, 5, 7 & 9 of singing fish; lorries, don't bring reminders, 1 2 3 beep beep beep & blue jay way off not to; we means we starts & hctfr (or whatever the initials are ... too tired & lazy to get up & look right now) off the bonus disc; & about 3 tracks each from commercial suicide & it seems (see excuse at end of previous parenthetical note). dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:19:29 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dome Singers This is from the very end of Madmen by Dome on the Dome 12 cd. It is right before The Red Tent. I don't know who says it, the voice is unfamiliar to me. If it was Bruce or Graham, I think I would recognize it. paulye154 >From: RLynn9@aol.com >To: paulye154@hotmail.com, idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dome Singers >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:46:36 EDT > >In a message dated 9/16/02 12:23:01 PM Central Daylight Time, >paulye154@hotmail.com writes: > ><< He never did take to Wire much, but because of the sillyness, loved > Dome. We would sing along and every once in a while at work he or I >would > yell (after spitting a huge one) "anyone touch these f'ing bags, I'll cut > your f'ing head off with a f'ing ax. I'll f'ing piss on em'." One of my > favorite vulgar moments. I send that sound bite to the mates now and >then > just as a reminder. >> > > >what film is this from? > >RL _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:22:00 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] reuters (was: last night's gig) In a message dated 9/23/02 11:57:42 PM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << >looting, burning, raaaaaaaaape makes perfect sense now, hehe. told you i >wasn't one for lyrics. i wonder if this is why the majority of my own music >remains instrumental :o) whereas, as noted previously, instrumentals do almost nothing for me ... maybe because i work with words for a living (albeit at the moment for a particularly vile example of an evil gannett corp newspaper)? dunno.>> hehe, and i work with pictures for a living! :o) <> i assume you mean matt, the dark haired one? he reminded me more of a cross between bob denver (gilligan) and tom green. - -another the paul n.p. savage republic-jamahiriya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:29:17 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] re: achtung, shite... The German word for "shit" is "Scheisse". I bet "shite" is closer to what the Dutch would say (just a guess). But English is a Germanic language so it makes perfect sense. Besides shite sounds cool when you say it like Ewen McGregor does in Train Spotting. "Scotland is shite! We're the lowest of the low!" (Just for the record I am not bagging on Scotland). Nie wieder nie wieder, nie wieder nie wieder. There is our language lesson for the day. paulye154 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:33:54 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] achtung, shite... > > yes...poop is one of the greatest words in the English language.....i > >Its not in the English Language, Its an Americanism. I prefer the good old >fashioned 'shite'. ..which i 'suspect' comes from the German (schisse...?), English being the fantastic mongrel that it is... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #325 *******************************