From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #324 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, September 23 2002 Volume 05 : Number 324 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] achtung, shite... ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] virus hoax [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Michel Faber spot... [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] achtung, shite... hey Jutes! [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire in Chicago, Boston, New York ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Recent wire shows ["John M Campbell" ] [idealcopy] last night's gig ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] last night's gig ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] mystical experience ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] The Vines ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Michel Faber ["Sheridan Cooper's" ] Re: [idealcopy] Recent wire shows ["Jim Ballard" ] Re: [idealcopy] last night's gig ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] [idealcopy] re: Bill Is Dead ["Paul Ye" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire in Chicago, Boston, New York [Rain19c@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] hello again, crispy ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] Re: Document and Eyewitness ["Paul Ye" ] Re: [idealcopy] last night's gig [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire in Chicago, Boston, New York [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] electronics and drums [rayographique ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:33:54 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] achtung, shite... > > yes...poop is one of the greatest words in the English language.....i > >Its not in the English Language, Its an Americanism. I prefer the good old >fashioned 'shite'. ..which i 'suspect' comes from the German (schisse...?), English being the fantastic mongrel that it is... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 04:42:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] virus hoax There's a hoax going 'round telling you to delete jdbgmgr.exe if you find it on your computer (and you will) DISREGARD this email if you get it and tell the person that sent it to you to go to http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99436 to learn how to re-install. Ari Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 04:48:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Michel Faber spot... Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: Saturday's Telegraph magazine - interview. I believe this guy was an ICist before my time: quite an interesting read anyway. As to how I wound up looking at the Torygraph: I'm at home, my parents read it, I was bored... :) - - Andrew yeh right,betcha tell that all the guys..... New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:16:54 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] achtung, shite... hey Jutes! >>> yes...poop is one of the greatest words in the English language.....i >> >> Its not in the English Language, Its an Americanism. I prefer the good old >> fashioned 'shite'. > > ..which i 'suspect' comes from the German (schisse...?), English being the > fantastic mongrel that it is... > > ian.s.j. Good point! The German "scheisse" or Dutch "schijt" are typical Anglo-Saxon expressions. The West Germanic peoples who settled in Britain from the fifth century ad and were dominant until 1066. They included the Angles, the Saxons, and the Jutes [who's famous song named after them "Hey Jutes" was total shite of course!] When hitching through Europe in my 20's I once got a ride from a Swiss guy who was very agitated with the cardriver in front of him and kept on saying "Der Kerl hast doch Scheisse in der Hose!" [The guy must have his trousers full of shit!] wich he tried to translate to me thinking I could not understand him: "Ehm... Sit!!! in the shit!!!" After wich he burst out in a scary howling laughter because of the sudden rhyming... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:18:51 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Michel Faber spot... > As to how I wound up looking at the Torygraph: > I'm at home, my parents read it, I was bored... :) Keep the enemy close Andrew! :-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:19:35 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] feminine lines of understanding yeah, as in...'your eyes are like limpid pools, i want to dive in and do the breast-stroke...' or however it goes... ian.s.j. >Which, in itself, sounds strangely *feminine* > >A > > > ps what on earth is "limnological research" , i just have to > > ask this...... > > > > LIMNOLOGY:the scientific study of bodies of fresh water:such > > as lakes and ponds,with reference to their > > physical.geolgraphical,biological and other features.(1890-95)Ari _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:24:54 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] underworld mark 3 > --- Keith Knight wrote: > > Well, that new single is brilliant IMHO. > > another the Keith > > I still love the new album! It is the most consistent > they have done so far. > Probably my single and album of the year... > > Billy In a rare case of me not agreeing with my mate Robert, I have to say that I think the Underworld LP sounds good too. Only heard it a couple of times so far, but it sounds up to scratch on initial listens... Three or four tracks already sounding like real potential faves... Got the new Death in Vegas album too (both for #8.99 btw!) - sounds ok, but not in the same class as The Contino Sessions which I *loved*. Lots of guest stars - Liam (in Beatles mode!), Hope Sandoval and Paul Weller, whose track sounds like it's on the wrong album... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:21:46 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Vines i haven't listened to my copy of the cd (circuit city was selling 'em for $6.99 or so, as they were n*e*r*d*) yet -- an all-too-familiar refrain from this end, of course -- but they're on the cover of a recent rolling stone as the latest saviours of rock'n'roll, or something like that. possibly from australia? dan - - >> http://www.nme.com/features/102973.htm >> >> Here's the video I was in. I am still bruised from the event. > > >Don't know the band, but the song ain't half bad! >Are you in the band or with the audiance? > >Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:31:44 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire in Chicago, Boston, New York > ~Michael... > When I talked to Robert, he said he was very happy with the live drum > arrangements now, but implied that he would probably leave again if things go > the drum machine way of "Manscape" again. I hope the other three are reading. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:18:29 -0500 From: Luis Salinas Subject: [idealcopy] Recent wire shows Hi, all-- I'm new to the list and am wondering if anyone's been to any of the recent shows. They're playing here tonight (Austin, TX) and I'm wondering what to expect. Thanks, Luis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:36:15 -0700 From: "John M Campbell" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Recent wire shows What could be better!..... just go in with that frame of mind Cheers, johnc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Salinas" To: Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 8:18 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Recent wire shows > Hi, all-- > > I'm new to the list and am wondering if anyone's been to any of the > recent shows. They're playing here tonight (Austin, TX) and I'm > wondering what to expect. > > Thanks, > > Luis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:48:32 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] last night's gig too bloody exhausted to type much after last night's gig (didn't get in till something like 2:30 a.m. -- would've been an hour later without the time change from eastern to central at the alabama-georgia border, of course), & can't say i've been paying particularly close attention to the various gig reviews (due mainly to pure green envy), but has anyone else gotten 2 encores? first one surprised me by starting with advantage in height before ending with the more-expected (at least by me) reuters & lowdown. (amusingly, bruce took off his guitar after reuters & had left the stage when colin went & got him & pulled him back on, saying something like, "he's getting his own encore!") after that, they left, but crowd noise drew them back on for a sublime pink flag. highlights: graham's droll response of "now, there's an original suggestion" to a call for 12xu about one song in (after which colin said something like, "one good thing about wire is, we never play suggestions). finally hearing mr marx's table -- if this doesn't go on r&b 3, i'll probably lapse into depression. probably the first cross-pollination i've yet detected between the current set-on-stun wire & the melodic incarnation that gave us, say, kidney bingos or eardrum buzz or, hell, blessed state. snatching (before the first encore) the lyric sheets to marx &, i think, 99.9. etc. would've jumped around more, but my pedal foot is still killing me from the drive to & from pere ubu last week. plus i was weighted down with no fewer than 7 r&b 2's for friends back in arkansas & tennessee. oh, yeah -- meeting dan l. rose & his merry band of miscreants (we all seemed pretty much on the same wavelength, which in retrospect, dan being a psychologist & all, ought to give everyone involved serious pause for thought), being taken to this wondrous all-veggie (with tofu & some amazing meat substitutes) restaurants, & hitting this great vinyl-heavy store in atlanta at which i found, for chrissakes, the clive pig & the hopeful chinamen lp, not to mention: les rita mitsouko's the no comprendo (have had only the cassette since being blown away by the video for c'est comme ca in the late '80s) the sect's the voice of reason (blown away in the late '80s, also, by their half of the soft lights & loud guitars split with red letter day ... the stuff that the band's remnants have since done as skimmer is pleasant enough, but that's all) the cash cows comp (haven't done a direct listening comparison yet, but i taped flying lizards hands 2 take off a friend's copy back around '84 & could *swear* it differs slightly from the version on the 4th wall) new musik's anywhere & warp (dunno how much the tracks on these have in common with the recent retrospective cd, as i don't own it, but my fave record-store owner back home swears the disc's sound is vastly inferior) the new flaming lips on vinyl (supposedly released in a very limited edition, & not that i've ever bought anything in my life on ebay purposes, but another record-store owner back home says they're already going for $30 or so) blyth power's the barman & other stories lp & up from the country 12" the dark carnival lp (which my next-to-last ex spoke highly of a couple of years ago, if memory serves) & a handful of local comps. also, was pleased to find out that even though it's probably 40 miles farther away, thanks to the paucity of roadwork delays atlanta is only about 2 1/4 hours from here -- closer than memphis to little rock, really. & whoever the drunken little poodle is who edged his way down in front of us (we were about a row back from the stage) & explained, when violent exception was taken, that "i'm from new york" -- i hope to christ you're not a listmember. also, you might want to do something about that bizarre head-rolling thing -- it cost me close to $1,000 to get it taken care of in my shih-tzu ... the vet diagnosed it as vestibular disorder & had to puncture his eardrum to let out a buildup of pus & blood. last night, if i'd had an icepick ... oh, yeah -- the oxes. amusing, but i'm a lyrics guy. instrumentals i can take in, say, very short doses (the commercial, anyone?), but that's pretty much it. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:48:32 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] last night's gig too bloody exhausted to type much after last night's gig (didn't get in till something like 2:30 a.m. -- would've been an hour later without the time change from eastern to central at the alabama-georgia border, of course), & can't say i've been paying particularly close attention to the various gig reviews (due mainly to pure green envy), but has anyone else gotten 2 encores? first one surprised me by starting with advantage in height before ending with the more-expected (at least by me) reuters & lowdown. (amusingly, bruce took off his guitar after reuters & had left the stage when colin went & got him & pulled him back on, saying something like, "he's getting his own encore!") after that, they left, but crowd noise drew them back on for a sublime pink flag. highlights: graham's droll response of "now, there's an original suggestion" to a call for 12xu about one song in (after which colin said something like, "one good thing about wire is, we never play suggestions). finally hearing mr marx's table -- if this doesn't go on r&b 3, i'll probably lapse into depression. probably the first cross-pollination i've yet detected between the current set-on-stun wire & the melodic incarnation that gave us, say, kidney bingos or eardrum buzz or, hell, blessed state. snatching (before the first encore) the lyric sheets to marx &, i think, 99.9. etc. would've jumped around more, but my pedal foot is still killing me from the drive to & from pere ubu last week. plus i was weighted down with no fewer than 7 r&b 2's for friends back in arkansas & tennessee. oh, yeah -- meeting dan l. rose & his merry band of miscreants (we all seemed pretty much on the same wavelength, which in retrospect, dan being a psychologist & all, ought to give everyone involved serious pause for thought), being taken to this wondrous all-veggie (with tofu & some amazing meat substitutes) restaurants, & hitting this great vinyl-heavy store in atlanta at which i found, for chrissakes, the clive pig & the hopeful chinamen lp, not to mention: les rita mitsouko's the no comprendo (have had only the cassette since being blown away by the video for c'est comme ca in the late '80s) the sect's the voice of reason (blown away in the late '80s, also, by their half of the soft lights & loud guitars split with red letter day ... the stuff that the band's remnants have since done as skimmer is pleasant enough, but that's all) the cash cows comp (haven't done a direct listening comparison yet, but i taped flying lizards hands 2 take off a friend's copy back around '84 & could *swear* it differs slightly from the version on the 4th wall) new musik's anywhere & warp (dunno how much the tracks on these have in common with the recent retrospective cd, as i don't own it, but my fave record-store owner back home swears the disc's sound is vastly inferior) the new flaming lips on vinyl (supposedly released in a very limited edition, & not that i've ever bought anything in my life on ebay purposes, but another record-store owner back home says they're already going for $30 or so) blyth power's the barman & other stories lp & up from the country 12" the dark carnival lp (which my next-to-last ex spoke highly of a couple of years ago, if memory serves) & a handful of local comps. also, was pleased to find out that even though it's probably 40 miles farther away, thanks to the paucity of roadwork delays atlanta is only about 2 1/4 hours from here -- closer than memphis to little rock, really. & whoever the drunken little poodle is who edged his way down in front of us (we were about a row back from the stage) & explained, when violent exception was taken, that "i'm from new york" -- i hope to christ you're not a listmember. also, you might want to do something about that bizarre head-rolling thing -- it cost me close to $1,000 to get it taken care of in my shih-tzu ... the vet diagnosed it as vestibular disorder & had to puncture his eardrum to let out a buildup of pus & blood. last night, if i'd had an icepick ... oh, yeah -- the oxes. amusing, but i'm a lyrics guy. instrumentals i can take in, say, very short doses (the commercial, anyone?), but that's pretty much it. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:54:54 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] mystical experience swear to god this is true -- i hadn't driven east of here before, but about 35 miles out is a *wire* road exit. within *seconds* after i drove past it, the sound on my car stereo conked out, right in the middle of my tape of radar secret service very 3-imaginary-boys-ish album. no better luck with the radio, either. after about 25 miles of fiddling with it in despair, i finally took the plastic knobs off in preparation for getting the whole thing yanked out & either fixed or replaced, given my need for aural stimulation during the long drives i've been making lately (mind you, i went a solid 11 years without the tape player in my previous car working, but i had to *at least* have the radio). at which point not only did the sound come back, but so did the right speaker, which i've gotten nothing really audible out of since sometime last year. i didn't see any bright lights in the sky, but maybe that change from central to eastern to central time zone somehow qualifies as "missing time" ... of course, my rear-view mirror keeps falling off every few miles, but that's been going on awhile. damned aliens ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:40:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Vines Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Vines > they're on the cover of a recent rolling stone as > the latest saviours of rock'n'roll, or something like that. possibly from > australia? > > dan Another band being really 'bigged up' if I can use that rather naff vernacular, are The Datsuns (from NZ I think). Their single has been getting praised in various quarters (Mark & Lard etc), despite sounding like a slightly more energetic Smoke On The Water. Horrid IMO. Keith NP DJ Shadow - Private Press ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:49:31 +0100 From: "Sheridan Cooper's" Subject: [idealcopy] Michel Faber When I was last on this list Michel Faber posted (at length) some interesting ideas, so much so that I got a copy of his short stories collection "some rain must fall" and I recommend it to you. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:55:01 -0700 From: "John M Campbell" Subject: [idealcopy] ATP Sorry about this but since hearing Mr Hicks' mention of Wire's contribution to 'All Tomorrows Partys' I've had this vacuum running through my head. Anyone know where it might be posted or be willing to share a copy? ........................Cheers, johnc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:59:54 -0700 From: "Jim Ballard" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Recent wire shows Quote: __________________________________________________________ >Hi, all-- >I'm new to the list and am wondering if anyone's been to any of the >recent shows. They're playing here tonight (Austin, TX) and I'm >wondering what to expect. >Thanks, >Luis ___________________________________________________________ I saw them in San Diego on 9/7. Good show, but I'm still too unfamiliar with Read and Burn and the first 3 CDs to tell what they played. I'm pretty sure that the whole set consisted of nothing but R&B and Pink Flag material. I was introduced to Wire during their 'second phase', so I'm more in-tune w/Ideal Copy, Bell, etc. I had a feeling they wouldn't be playing any of that material (at some gigs, they have been playing Advantage In Height). I like all of Wire's material - I just need to get more familiar with the older and new material. If anyone does know what the set list was in San Diego, could you please post it here? I'd appreciate it. Jim Phoenix, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:37:31 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night's gig > but has anyone else gotten 2 > encores? Yup - that seems to be the standard pattern. At least that's what Wire did in Seattle. Generally you get Advantage In Height & Lowdown (+ sometimes Reuters for a lucky few! (^_^)) for the 1st, & Pink Flag for the 2nd. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:41:15 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] re: Bill Is Dead I found out that the name of the band was something like "ok go" and the song was "get over it." The band is not worth one second of mention on a list as fine as this, but they did rip off the fall. In my opinion anyway. If anyone has heard it, let me know what you think. knee deep in ripoff piss (is that what the smell of you smells like? I bought my copy of r&b2 at a show and thought the smell of you was a big joke.) paulye154 The Fall's 'Bill is Dead' has been covered by the Sick Anchors. See http://www.mogwai.co.uk/medialib/resources/billisdead.mp3 Is this the version that the lister who just posted is on about? Sorry - I deleted the mail before my brain told me that it might know what the song was. Cheers John _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:46:11 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire in Chicago, Boston, New York >>>> ~Michael... > When I talked to Robert, he said he was very happy with the live drum > arrangements now, but implied that he would probably leave again if things go > the drum machine way of "Manscape" again.<<<<<< Keith: >>I hope the other three are reading.<< I'm going to say that they probably know this, and that they don't want to make the same mistake twice. Also, I would say there is a need for live drums in Wire mark 3; they couldn't pull off their current live show with a drum machine. However, it is odd their current shows start with Colin singing over the backing track of 99.9. It was astounding live on Peel, I almost feel cheated they didn't play it "proper" on the US tour. ~Michael np: gyorgy ligeti ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 21:48:23 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] hello again, crispy Yeah, that's how mine smells. Makes me sneeze. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart van Damme To: wire-news Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] hello again, crispy > >>> "the smell of you" smells like? > > More in cheap aftershave kinda way... terrible! > I keep it "sealed" but the stench's still there. > > Mind you, I don't like artificial fragrances AT ALL! > Should be forbidden that! > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:04:28 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Michel Faber Michel Faber's new 800+ page Victorian prostitute blockbuster looks like it's going to be a huge success. More info can be found at http://www.observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,796634,00.html. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheridan Cooper's To: wire Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Michel Faber > When I was last on this list Michel Faber posted (at length) some > interesting ideas, so much so that I got a copy of his short stories > collection "some rain must fall" and I recommend it to you. > Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:12:08 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Document and Eyewitness I think D&E would have been awesome as a studio album. Our Swimmer actually is one of my favorite singles even now. Rework and smooth out songs like Ally in Exile, Underwater Experiences, and Witness to the Fact, you have a good album. Several of those songs were actually done later as solo project, And Then by Dome, 5/10 and We Meet Under Tables by Colin Newman. I like the Wire versions better than the Newman ones. Don't forget the rest of that set which is on Turns and Strokes, which I feel are Colin Newmans best solo stuff, like Lorries, Safe, Remove For Improvement. And Dome ended up doing A Ritual View. Could have been great. Here is a possible track listing for the would have been 4th album. on no particular order safe lorries remove for improvement inventory ally in exile underwater experiences witness to the fact our swimmer 5/10 we meet under tables midnight banhof cafe eels sang lino revealing trade secrets eastern standard a ritual view and then... I think that would have one hell of an album paulye154 >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:09:12 +0200 >From: Bart van Damme >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire#1, Wire#2, Wire#3 > >I don't agree on Document and Eyewitness, thought it was a very brave thing >to put out after 154 myself. I really really love 154, but I love Wire's >ability to experiment and lack of settlement even more. > >Wire#2 to me again ended with an equally brave statement: Wir! Now it may >not be my fave album [and neither is Manscape - though still better than >lots of contemporary stuff] but you cannot say it was lacking in adventure. > >Come to think of it I was never really disappointed with any of Wire's >outlets... just not too keen on some 80's Lewis and Newman solo work >[productionwise]. > >At first I thought R&B01 might be a bit on the retro side, but I soon "got" >the idea. Shivers! I think they WILL keep it up! > >Bart > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 19:45:41 -0400 From: "DAN L ROSE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night's gig Not much to add to Mr Bailey's moving comments. Incredibly intense Pink Flag closed the show. Graham Lewis is very disturbing. Colin Newman has great stage presence. Air conditioning should be a must for a deep south venue. Wish Mr Bailey had brought that ice pick. Phenomenal was the word of the day. Wish I could do it again. Dan From: "dan bailey" To: "ideal copy" Subject: [idealcopy] last night's gig Date sent: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:48:32 -0500 > too bloody exhausted to type much after last night's gig (didn't get in till > something like 2:30 a.m. -- would've been an hour later without the time > change from eastern to central at the alabama-georgia border, of course), & > can't say i've been paying particularly close attention to the various gig > reviews (due mainly to pure green envy), but has anyone else gotten 2 > encores? first one surprised me by starting with advantage in height before > ending with the more-expected (at least by me) reuters & lowdown. > (amusingly, bruce took off his guitar after reuters & had left the stage > when colin went & got him & pulled him back on, saying something like, "he's > getting his own encore!") after that, they left, but crowd noise drew them > back on for a sublime pink flag. > > highlights: graham's droll response of "now, there's an original suggestion" > to a call for 12xu about one song in (after which colin said something like, > "one good thing about wire is, we never play suggestions). finally hearing > mr marx's table -- if this doesn't go on r&b 3, i'll probably lapse into > depression. probably the first cross-pollination i've yet detected between > the current set-on-stun wire & the melodic incarnation that gave us, say, > kidney bingos or eardrum buzz or, hell, blessed state. snatching (before the > first encore) the lyric sheets to marx &, i think, 99.9. etc. would've > jumped around more, but my pedal foot is still killing me from the drive to > & from pere ubu last week. plus i was weighted down with no fewer than 7 r&b > 2's for friends back in arkansas & tennessee. > > oh, yeah -- meeting dan l. rose & his merry band of miscreants (we all > seemed pretty much on the same wavelength, which in retrospect, dan being a > psychologist & all, ought to give everyone involved serious pause for > thought), being taken to this wondrous all-veggie (with tofu & some amazing > meat substitutes) restaurants, & hitting this great vinyl-heavy store in > atlanta at which i found, for chrissakes, the clive pig & the hopeful > chinamen lp, not to mention: > > les rita mitsouko's the no comprendo (have had only the cassette since > being blown away by the video for c'est comme ca in the late '80s) > > the sect's the voice of reason (blown away in the late '80s, also, by their > half of the soft lights & loud guitars split with red letter day ... the > stuff that the band's remnants have since done as skimmer is pleasant > enough, but that's all) > > the cash cows comp (haven't done a direct listening comparison yet, but i > taped flying lizards hands 2 take off a friend's copy back around '84 & > could *swear* it differs slightly from the version on the 4th wall) > > new musik's anywhere & warp (dunno how much the tracks on these have in > common with the recent retrospective cd, as i don't own it, but my fave > record-store owner back home swears the disc's sound is vastly inferior) > > the new flaming lips on vinyl (supposedly released in a very limited > edition, & not that i've ever bought anything in my life on ebay purposes, > but another record-store owner back home says they're already going for $30 > or so) > > blyth power's the barman & other stories lp & up from the country 12" > > the dark carnival lp (which my next-to-last ex spoke highly of a couple of > years ago, if memory serves) > > & a handful of local comps. > > also, was pleased to find out that even though it's probably 40 miles > farther away, thanks to the paucity of roadwork delays atlanta is only about > 2 1/4 hours from here -- closer than memphis to little rock, really. > > & whoever the drunken little poodle is who edged his way down in front of us > (we were about a row back from the stage) & explained, when violent > exception was taken, that "i'm from new york" -- i hope to christ you're not > a listmember. also, you might want to do something about that bizarre > head-rolling thing -- it cost me close to $1,000 to get it taken care of in > my shih-tzu ... the vet diagnosed it as vestibular disorder & had to > puncture his eardrum to let out a buildup of pus & blood. last night, if i'd > had an icepick ... > > oh, yeah -- the oxes. amusing, but i'm a lyrics guy. instrumentals i can > take in, say, very short doses (the commercial, anyone?), but that's pretty > much it. > > dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:44:28 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night's gig In a message dated 9/22/02 11:53:19 AM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << finally hearing mr marx's table -- if this doesn't go on r&b 3, i'll probably lapse into depression. probably the first cross-pollination i've yet detected between the current set-on-stun wire & the melodic incarnation that gave us, say, kidney bingos or eardrum buzz or, hell, blessed state >> i forgot to mention how much i loved this song at irving plaza. i loved it thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis much :o) - -paul c.d. n.p. bailter space-vortura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 23:12:13 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire in Chicago, Boston, New York In a message dated 9/22/02 4:46:40 PM, Rain19c@aol.com writes: << >>>> ~Michael... > When I talked to Robert, he said he was very happy with the live drum > arrangements now, but implied that he would probably leave again if things go > the drum machine way of "Manscape" again.<<<<<< Keith: >>I hope the other three are reading.<< I'm going to say that they probably know this, and that they don't want to make the same mistake twice. Also, I would say there is a need for live drums in Wire mark 3; they couldn't pull off their current live show with a drum machine. >> maybe they'd have to change their name to big black wire and put the drum machine center stage with a spotlight shining down on the cable. - -paul (wondering why i even thought that thought) c.d. n.p. savage republic-tragic figures ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:20:32 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] electronics and drums anyone else notice what appeared to be some sort of electronic drum 'trigger' device to robert's left some sort of box at least the backward sample *did* show up in 'the art of stopping' in chicago hmmm i certainly never understood the need to program drums when you have a robert - hard to get much mor metronomic (he did play fills in a couple songs here as well - scary) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:14:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night's gig There was only one encore in Portland, but it contained all 3 songs. Robert was walking away after Lowdown, but Colin waved him back. Reuters was only played at the shows that didn't have Pink Flag. Also, the lyrics were changed. And the music. The new version sounds like Pink Flag. In fact, it's even called Pink Flag on the set lists. (only 1I) Andrew - --- Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > but has anyone else gotten 2 > > encores? > > Yup - that seems to be the standard pattern. At least > that's what Wire did in Seattle. Generally you get > Advantage In Height & Lowdown (+ sometimes > Reuters for a lucky few! (^_^)) for the 1st, & Pink Flag > for the 2nd. New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #324 *******************************