From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #313 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, September 16 2002 Volume 05 : Number 313 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] 20DollarBill1.doc ["DAVID HEALE" ] Re: [idealcopy] Blur [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] R&B02 Review [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] 20DollarBill1.doc [MarkBursa@aol.com] [RLynn9@aol.com: Re: [idealcopy] various] [Andrew Walkingshaw ] [idealcopy] Happy Birthday Ari !!!!! [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Dome Singers ["Paul Ye" ] RE: [idealcopy] Happy Birthday Ari !!!!! ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] Section(ed) ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] various ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] whatever happened to the teenage dream? ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] (ir)relevance of the Drill [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Happy Birthday Ari !!!!! [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] (ir)relevance of the Drill [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] It's your table [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Michael Faber ["Cambra, Robert" ] Re: [idealcopy] (ir)relevance of the Drill [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] It's your table [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] TOTP ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] It's your table [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] It's your table [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (ir)relevance of the Drill [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] [idealcopy] Smash Hits to The Dome ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire In Toronto /raises hand [p o d s i x ] Re: [idealcopy] Blur [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] El Rey Theater [Superflyww9@aol.com] [idealcopy] preview and review from the L.A. Weekly [Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] 20DollarBill1.doc INCREDIBLE THINGS HAPPEN IN AMERICA. =A0 1=B0) Fold a $20 bill in half. =A0 2=B0) Fold again, taking care to fold it exactly as below =09 =A0 3=B0) Fold the other end, exactly as before Et voil=E0, the PENTAGON on fire!! 4=B0) Now, simply turn it over. The Twin Towers ablaze.. What a coincidience! A simple geometric fold creates a catastrophic = premonition printed on all $20 bills!!!=20 =20 COINCIDENCE? YOU DECIDE=20 =A0 =A0As if that wasn't enough. here is what you've seen.=0D=A0Firstly The = Pentagon on fire. =0D=A0Then The Twin Towers. =0D=A0 . and now. look at this! =A0 TRIPLE COINCIDENCE ON A SIMPLE $20 BILL=20 [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image002.jpg] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image003.jpg] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image004.jpg] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image005.jpg] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image006.jpg] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image007.jpg] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image008.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:17:57 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Blur Imo there is absolutely no use for Blur to keep going without Graham - he was the icing on the cake. Shame he left, cos I was rather disappointed with his solo outlets. Blur certainly seem to bring out the best in him, especially in later postbritpop albums. And as for a new more electronic direction... well we've got Gorillaz for that haven't we? The new album still features Coxon btw? Maybe Albarn can hire Toumani Diabati on kora... just a thought. Bart > Losing Graham might be the kiss of > death, but he wasn't really responsible for the songwriting. They can pull > it off without him, I'm sure, albeit in a more electronic direction. We'll > see in February when the new album comes out. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:36:58 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R&B02 Review > yep, another readers positive response to Read & Burn 02... Good review Keith [and well written too! try to get it published] > Trash/Treasure. Great tune, > great singing and the best use of falsetto since Leo Sayer on You Make Me Feel > Like Dancing! Some readers have compared this track with Kidney Bingos... Really like Trash/Treasure too! Elegantly moody... Funny thing... it was Raft Ants that reminded me of Kidney Bongo's... Like Colin's summing up the same verses, only at different speed. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:45:10 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 20DollarBill1.doc If you fold an old-style English tenner diagonally through the queen's head you get a picture of John McEnroe. Honest! Mark << Fold a $20 bill in half. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:40:32 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [RLynn9@aol.com: Re: [idealcopy] various] I guess Robert wanted this to go to the list ... - - Andrew - ----- Forwarded message from RLynn9@aol.com ----- Envelope-to: andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk From: RLynn9@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:30:58 EDT Subject: Re: [idealcopy] various To: andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk In a message dated 9/15/02 4:49:35 PM Central Daylight Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: << and then > wire on peel from 10-12. >> anybody going to tape or cd burn this????? i hope so... especially for us poor fellows in the U.S..... Robert - who is still suffering from flu like symptoms and depression from missing Wire in Chicago..... - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- "Thinking it over, I've been sad; thinking it over, I'd be more than glad, to change my ways for the asking; ask me and I will play, all the love that I hold inside..." - Simon and Garfunkel, "Song for the Asking" adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:03:02 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire In Toronto Despite what I would consider to be poor press coverage by the weeklies, Wire packed them in. They came on and played direct and straight forward, not seemingly eager to please but pleasing nonetheless. No difference in the song line up as far as I can tell from previous posts. Amy, I did manage to snatch a copy of Graham's set list with notation unnoticed by anyone except for the other woman who was reaching for it at the same time (cute but not cute enough to give it up). The biggest surprise was that they played Reuters as an encore. Phenomenal. Not on the list and, as I discovered hanging out back stage with the blokes (and drinking their beer which they kindly offered) only discussed that morning as a possibility. They practised it during sound check apparently, BC commenting to me that they had forgotten most of the chords. The set list is posted at www.elysium-sl.com/wire.htm Best moments: BC and Lewis playing with their plugs during 99.9 Agfers Comet Spent Avantage in Height Reuters talking about 9/11 (I didn't bring it up) with BC and Ibraheim (sp.?) talking to Robert about his farm Colin knowing (vaguely) who I was from the list Lewis discussing why Drill is no longer relevant (Don't ask. Do you really think I can remember?) Leaving with a signed copy of RnB2 and a cool T. Who was there from the list. I was expecting to run into someone. Eric in Toronto (I was the guy in the navy blue Emigre t-shirt jumping around madly stage right) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:03:09 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Happy Birthday Ari !!!!! I would like to raise a toast with all my fellow IC members and wish our friend Ari a Happy Birthday today...... maybe his family got him some more John Zorn cds to add to his already massive collection? hahaha Happy Birthday Ari and thanks for some great conversation, wisecracks, and turning me on to some fabulous music! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:18:53 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] Dome Singers Paul(ye154) wrote: >Now i listen to the entire Dome 12 34 collection and sing it all day long. >"On the third week, on the third week. Oh feeling the strain..." Funny >how things work out. "Aha!. Another Dome singer! I find humming 'to speak' very restful. I have one friend who is a Wire fan and we occasionally serenade each other with this one." That is funny Howard. Most of the singing I do is from Dome 1, but I do sing in a really hi voice "is that which i win that which i love..." (d d bo) while I work. Which is really funny because I fix computers and anyone observing this gets the proof that computer nerds are completely wacked. Throw Dome fan in there and it gets complicated fast. This one dude I used to work with used to drive with me on a delivery route and I would bring Dome. He never did take to Wire much, but because of the sillyness, loved Dome. We would sing along and every once in a while at work he or I would yell (after spitting a huge one) "anyone touch these f'ing bags, I'll cut your f'ing head off with a f'ing ax. I'll f'ing piss on em'." One of my favorite vulgar moments. I send that sound bite to the mates now and then just as a reminder. I hope you have seen the Dome video on one of the Grey Area of Mute compilations. It was "Rolling up on my day", then it breaks into "seven year" and you see Graham step into the back light where you cant see him, but you do see the bottle and his arm feeding it into his mouth. Then Bruce just starts jumping as high as he can for no apparant reason. Good stuff. Germany, ah yes. Paul(ye154) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:41:06 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Happy Birthday Ari !!!!! Happy birthday Ari! Wow! Colin's birthday was yesterday. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of RLynn9@aol.com Sent: September 16, 2002 1:03 PM To: dpbailey@worldnet.att.net; idealcopy@smoe.org; alaish@nc.rr.com; keith.astbury10@virgin.net; xj23@yahoo.com Subject: [idealcopy] Happy Birthday Ari !!!!! I would like to raise a toast with all my fellow IC members and wish our friend Ari a Happy Birthday today...... maybe his family got him some more John Zorn cds to add to his already massive collection? hahaha Happy Birthday Ari and thanks for some great conversation, wisecracks, and turning me on to some fabulous music! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:10:54 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dome Singers In a message dated 9/16/02 12:23:01 PM Central Daylight Time, paulye154@hotmail.com writes: << >Now i listen to the entire Dome 12 34 collection and sing it all day long. >"On the third week, on the third week. Oh feeling the strain..." Funny >how things work out. "Aha!. Another Dome singer! I find humming 'to speak' very restful. I have one friend who is a Wire fan and we occasionally serenade each other with this one." >> when we were young'uns my little brother (rest his soul) and i used to chase each other round the front yard repeating DRILL! DRILL! DRILL! DUGGA! DUGGA! until we got dizzy and giddy and fell over laughing and exhausted...a great memory i will always treasure... Robert p.s. (and we even had Howard Jones/Flock of Seagulls hair do's !! yikes!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:38:45 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #308 Well, they're alleged to be due to play Dot Dash at the Barbican gig in October, so I'll report back! another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Loubert > > Reuters for Pink Flag I can see. But how could anyone confuse anything else > with Dot Dash? Although now that I've said that, the new Wire will probably > start playing a version that completely omits the signature two-note riff. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:22:57 -0800 From: "jaime janzen" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Happy Birthday Ari !!!!! Most definately. Happy Birthday!!!!! Hope you had a great party. Sorry I couldn't make it. >From: RLynn9@aol.com >To: dpbailey@worldnet.att.net, idealcopy@smoe.org, alaish@nc.rr.com, >keith.astbury10@virgin.net, xj23@yahoo.com >Subject: [idealcopy] Happy Birthday Ari !!!!! >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:03:09 EDT > >I would like to raise a toast with all my fellow IC members and wish our >friend Ari a Happy Birthday today...... > >maybe his family got him some more John Zorn cds to add to his already >massive collection? hahaha > >Happy Birthday Ari and thanks for some great conversation, wisecracks, and >turning me on to some fabulous music! > >Robert Lynn _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:11:44 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chicago - if you leave here now I am sorry to have to announce that various factors (e.g. work, family, lack of funds and a fairly large ocean) sadly prevented me from attending Chicago so there is clearly an another the Keith imposter - is this the another the another the Keith predicted a week or two ago? another the Keith (I think) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: rayographique ; Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chicago - if you leave here now > > however present and accounted for were myself, > > listmaster (supreme) miles, another the keith, > > Another the Keith? All the way from Bedfordshire? > > That's dedication for you... > > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:14:23 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Heavy Rotation Ah, he's back after all - phew. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hick To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 6:50 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Heavy Rotation > WIRE ~ Read and Burn 02 > Godspeed You Black Emperor! - Yanqui U.X.O. > Xinlisupreme - Murder Licence > Faust - I can, u 2? > Noxagt - Noxagt > Dalek - Spiritual Healing > Phantomsmasher - Phantomsmasher > Empty House Co-Operative - Live on Pipeline > Empty House Co-Operative - Full Length For Fancy > Flaming Lips - Finally the punk rockers are taking acid > Flaming Lips - The Day they shot a hole in the Jesus Egg > Philip Jeck & Jacob Kirkegaard - Soaked > Fly Pan Am - Ceux Qui... > Anton Nikkila - White Nights > Coh - Mask of Birth > Komet & Bovine Life - Reciprocess 01 > Giddy Motors - Make It Pop > Windsor For The Derby - The Emotional Rescue LP > Strewth compilation > Jonathan Coleclough - Cake > Sonic Youth - Murray Street > Breeders - Title TK > > > Cracked Machine > Highly Irregular Cyberzine > http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine > > "So the other day I was talking to Michael Stipe..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:19:54 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Section(ed) Dan mentioned Prag Vec in the list below (and why not? What a good song 'Cigarettes was). Just wanted to share that I used to know Dave Boyd who was their bassist. He used to hang around with the Wire boys in their van in their early days. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: dan bailey To: ideal copy Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Section(ed) > > ditto -- just got through dubbing it (the cabs' original, that is) along > with "i want you" (for some damned reason i can't find my tape of "mix-up," > otherwise i'd have gone with "capsule") on a mix-tape for a friend who i > couldn't believe hadn't heard it. (other selections include negativland's > "in a big 10-8 place," or whatever it's called; 'the homosexuals' album"; > fad gadget's "fireside favourites" & "back to nature"; dr mix & the remix's > "out of the question" & "no fun"; tone set's "predictions" & "such heavy > conviction" (phx found-sounders from my time out there); uv pop's "sleep > don't talk" & another one; & tg's "united" & "zyklon b zombie." > > still to -- & i'd best get my ass in gear, since i still haven't decided > whether to drive the 470 miles back home wed to catch pere ubu that night, > or wait a couple of weeks & see them in athens about 250 miles closer to > home on a sat -- go are selections from positive noise, head of david, pop > group (probably ought to do the whole "mass murder" & "we are time" lp's, > actually, in order to further shame him into getting "y" burnt for me), god > & the state, fats comet, frank tovey solo, 23 skidoo, creepers, pink > military, foetus ("hole" era), metal urbain, flying lizards, renegade > soundwave, glaxo babies, fire engines, stickmen, colors out of time, prag > vec, manicured noise; gods gift; dangerous girls; malaria; pre-lp modern > english; higsons & dalek i. besides, if i do make the drive, it'll give me > something entertaining to listen to on the tape deck. > > anyway, back to "nag nag nag" -- as i expressed on some list (perhaps this > one) a year or 2 ago, i can't believe some garage band hasn't picked up on > it. such perfectly snotty & simplistic vocals ... > > dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:25:00 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] various Paul I'll be at the Barbican. The Peel programme is due to start late (1030) due to coverage of the Mercury Awards - for which my prediction is the Streets, a bloody good album. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: [idealcopy] various > gawd i go away for a week and theres 350 mails to read , no i havn't ploughed > thru them yet but a couple of things that may be relevant or whatever; > > 1. todays observer has a page-long piece on ian sinclairs "london orbital" > movie. apparently being shown on C4 "later this year" > > 2. same paper also has suede (still trotting out the pseudo-bisexual story) > and mozza (still going on about celibacy). its like deja vu all over again > > 3. tonight on C4 at 1.35 , "one apartment and 6 drummers". go on , spare 15 > minutes of your lives and tape this , i thought it was hilarious > > 4. shame to hear the demise of the evening session. where's kid jensen now , > eh? i was listening to steve lamacq on holiday (no hi-fi) and he played a > track by a new band called (oh dear) the wires. now i just think that name > may have been bagsied before. > > 5. so who's going to the barbican then? > > 6. excellent double whammy on tuesday , arsenal/dortmund from 8-10 and then > wire on peel from 10-12. provided the game is all wrapped up by 9.55 its a > great chance to make it a triple whammy but i'd better not elaborate on that > one heh heh, p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:43:46 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] whatever happened to the teenage dream? A moments silence please. It's 25 years today since Marc Bolan was killed. "What's the matter with our Keith?" my mum was heard to say before she knew the reason. "He never cries!" And whilst I'm in nostalgic mood, I thought I'd just mention what singles - according to this months Record Collector - were out that month. Seems like Sept '77 had it's good points too. The Adverts - Gary Gilmore's Eyes Alberto Y Los Trios Paranoias - Snuff Rock Bowie - Heroes The Clash - Complete Control The Damned - Problem Child Iggy Pop - Some Weird Sin/The Passenger The Stranglers - No More Heroes The Table - Do the Standing Still T.Rex - Bolan's Best Plus One e.p. And, ahem... Yes - Wondrous Stories. Pretty impressive list, eh! Just treated myself to a listen of Hot Love and Get It On.. Good job I'm going for a few beers. Otherwise I'd be getting all maudlin listening to Bolan warble 'Whatever Happened to the Teenage Dream?' ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:46:48 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] T-Rex Bloody hell. No I didn't. And then Wire on Peel. Phew! Trouble is I've got about three and half hours to fill in between Paul ; ) Keith > Keith & others interested, > > Tomorrow a TOTP2 T-Rex special, though I'm sure you already knew that... > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:38:31 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] (ir)relevance of the Drill Right. I just had a few thoughts about why "Drill" might not be relevant to Wire any more. There's some stuff in this post which might be misinterpretable, as it relates to racial/cultural background and music, in a way which I sincerely hope, and isn't intended to be, knocking anyone; I'll flag it when I come to it. (This is an extended disclaimer: it's not about racism. I would not want to be seen as racist: if I hate someone, I want to have a good, up-close-and personal reason for it. Life's too short for random prejudices - directed anger is so much more satisfying...) Right. Here we go. Rock and roll, originally, was pretty much a hype-name for rhythm and blues with white musicians as opposed to black ones: the music was identical. Throughout the sixties, white musicians added elements of the European (and Indian: see the Beatles) musical tradition to popular music, but *rhythmically* rock, predominantly, stuck with the blues/gospel-derived rhythms it had inherited from its direct parents. (R+B was in itself influenced by bluegrass/country, so it was a mingling of blues and imported folk traditional music: so trying to delineate this stuff across racial lines is clearly a load of horse-manure. However, the music people make is definitely influenced by their cultural background: what they grow up with, basically. God help us WRT the music made by the generation who grew up on Britney Spears...) British post-punk[1] was, if you like, an accidental recasting of rock and roll with a minimal blues background - added influences coming from, amongst other places, the European classical and experimental tradition (with harbingers of this being, basically, Krautrock: no accident that Can were classically-trained musicians obsessed with Stockhausen...); this gives us some kind of frame of reference to consider Wire, as part of this aesthetic in at least some sense. The key thing that I'm trying to get at here is that (post-)punk really introduced near-mechanical, "swingless" rhythms into the mainstream of guitar-based music, in a way the German scene hadn't quite managed; this was a real break from the family tree. Wire[0] (seem to me to) have specialised in these kinds of rhythms: one being the noted "dugga dugga dugga" of "Drill". However, their current rhythm of choice seems to be a techno/house-inflected four-to-the-floor straight beat: about the most mechanistic thing you can play on a drumkit. (I notice the drumline of "Advantage in Height" falls straight into this sort: maybe why it's been resurrected?) So: maybe the reason "Drill" isn't relevant any more is that it's rhythm isn't interesting to Wire any more: perhaps they think they can do something with another "un-rock" beat. (On present evidence, they're entirely right that they can.). "Drill", after all, was very much an experiment in the "dugga" rhythm... (Interestingly, the other isotope of rock to steal heavily from the European classical tradition is heavy metal (just think of all the "virtuoso" soloists playing in modes which certainly aren't the classic pentatonic minor blues scale...), where the same kind of "mechanised" beat figures. Given Wire's recent comments about heavy metal, this might be a case of convergent evolution in some sense.) - - Andrew [0] Not heard enough of the solo stuff to be commenting on it at all; I'm purely talking about the band's output here. [1] If I open it up to the US, someone will mention Bad Brains, who likewise introduced different rhythms into their brand of music: however, in their case it was rhythms derived from reggae, amongst other things. I don't know Bad Brains nearly as well as I suspect I should, so I could be wrong here.[2] [2] Of course, another band to do this were the Clash, who were huge fans and had steeped themselves in the genre: I still think the argument of the key imports of punk to rock music being rhythmic stands up, and this may even strengthen it. - -- "When I drive alone at night, I see the streetlights as fairgrounds, And I tried a hundred times, to see the road-signs as day-glo..." - - Mogwai, "Cody" ('Come On, Die Young') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:38:58 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Chicago Show Oh, what to say ... Yes, they are incredible. I thought Graham was particularly brilliant, both on voice and bass ... his agfers was probably the highlight for me. Colin looked tired, and I did feel like it took a few songs to gell. ... Bruce playing buzz-saw guitar was fun to watch--proving it's possible to rock-out without a stupid, grimising expression on your face. I didn't see anyone from the list, but as no one on the list has ever seen me nor me them it would have been rather strange if we recognized each other. :) At a hour w/ encores it felt a bit short, but in the current era (R 'n' B) it seemed appropriate. We were first in line, so I got a particularly good table. We spent the time before the show listening to people try to out-hip each other with how much they know about Wire (although none seemed aware of R 'n' B 2). You know the set list. ... That's all I've got. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Happy Birthday Ari !!!!! Who?,ME!!!!!AWW thanx guys (leaves the stage blushing) Ari jaime janzen wrote:Most definately. Happy Birthday!!!!! Hope you had a great party. Sorry I couldn't make it. >From: RLynn9@aol.com >To: dpbailey@worldnet.att.net, idealcopy@smoe.org, alaish@nc.rr.com, >keith.astbury10@virgin.net, xj23@yahoo.com >Subject: [idealcopy] Happy Birthday Ari !!!!! >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:03:09 EDT > >I would like to raise a toast with all my fellow IC members and wish our >friend Ari a Happy Birthday today...... > >maybe his family got him some more John Zorn cds to add to his already >massive collection? hahaha > >Happy Birthday Ari and thanks for some great conversation, wisecracks, and >turning me on to some fabulous music! > >Robert Lynn _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Yahoo! News - Today's headlines ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:29:00 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (ir)relevance of the Drill In a message dated 9/16/2002 8:39:05 PM GMT Daylight Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: > >>[1] If I open it up to the US, someone will mention Bad Brains, who > likewise introduced different rhythms into their brand of music: > however, in their case it was rhythms derived from reggae, amongst > other things. I don't know Bad Brains nearly as well as I suspect I > should, so I could be wrong here.[2]<< Not heard as much Bad Brains as some of our colonial cousins, but what I have heard seemed pretty much down-the-line 77-influenced punk - but played by four black guys with dreads. The dub elements were incorporated pretty heavily into post-punk canon - not just the obvious stuff like the Clash and the Ruts, or the Police's watered down cod-reggae. PiL is heavily dubbed-up - so are Scritti Politti. And perhaps best of all (and I've just tracked down a copy of their only album) - Dennis Morris's Basement 5. As for Wire, Bruce's first big musical influence is the blues - in fact he's as much a product of the British Blues Boom as his contemporaries - er... Jagger & Richards. Lowdown is Bruce's take on the blues. As is Spent, if you listen hard enough to the riff.... As for metal, hasn't Colin ben bigging up Hawkwing and Gentle Giant for a cou ple of years now.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:33:29 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's your table > >>We were first in line, so I got a particularly good table. << A table???? What kind of a club was this? Was Tony Bennett on the bill? Shakatak?? Did you have chicken in the basket?? Eeeh, when I were a lad we was knee-deep in piss at every gig. Made me what I am today etc. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:39:24 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Michael Faber Our copywriter come up to me this morning with the latest issue of Time and says, "let's see if any of our books are getting reviewed," goes to the book section and--surprise--there's a full page review of former list-member Michael Faber's new novel, "The Crimson Petal and the White." A steamy, post modern Victorian novel of 838 pages, it get a very favorable review, concluding "And that's why a book like this is even better than sex." Robert (another) *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:39:17 -0700 From: "John M Campbell" Subject: [idealcopy] TOTP Just witnessed edition 2000 of TOTP on BBC America. Please bring back Jools! Status Quo? Sheesh.............................................johnc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:45:51 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (ir)relevance of the Drill - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: ... > As for Wire, Bruce's first big musical influence is > the blues - in fact he's > as much a product of the British Blues Boom as his > contemporaries - er... > Jagger & Richards. Lowdown is Bruce's take on the > blues. As is Spent, if you > listen hard enough to the riff.... charles/wmo was heard to comment more than once that bruce does a real credible ron wood these days another (non-ic friend characterizes him as wire's 'secret weopen' i find no reason to disagree with either assesment > > As for metal, hasn't Colin ben bigging up Hawkwing > and Gentle Giant for a couple of years now.... someone else bigs up gentle giant even nore (knots) myself, i find free hand and the power and the glory have aged quite well (not so sure 'bout hawkwind) Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:50:45 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's your table all the old geezers were at the balcony tables michael - did you note the chap behind u? i was the fellow in the orange shirt who said hi to him charles and i were in the pit (even tho *he* and mary could have sat in the VIP area being on the VIP list and all) however there are no real bad spots at metro (save under the balcony) and mark - never fear, the restrooms at least would meet your approval - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > >>We were first in line, so I got a particularly > good table. << > > > A table???? > > What kind of a club was this? Was Tony Bennett on > the bill? Shakatak?? > > Did you have chicken in the basket?? > > Eeeh, when I were a lad we was knee-deep in piss at > every gig. Made me what I > am today etc. > > Mark Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's your table ... and ... to my knowledge wire have never played another chicago venue Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:53:18 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] TOTP John Campbell says: > Just witnessed edition 2000 of TOTP on BBC America. Please bring back Jools! > Status Quo? > Sheesh.............................................johnc It being the 2000th episode they decided to open the show with the band who had appeared the most times since 1964...which was not The Beatles, Take That, Spandau Ballet or even Slade....It was the friggin 'Quo, who have been on the show 105 times! No really. But Jools never presented TOTP. I presume you're thinking of 80's Face-fest The Tube (co-presented by the now deceased Mrs Geldof). TOTP was was usually manned by the pop-a-dab-a-dopulous Radio 1 DJ's of the day (and sometimes by a deadpan and somwhat reluctant John Peel, to much hilarity. I seem to recall him, mid 80s, introduce one track by saying "If this isn't number one next week I'll come round and break wind in your kitchen" or words to that effect.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's your table MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > >>We were first in line, so I got a particularly good table. << A table???? What kind of a club was this? Was Tony Bennett on the bill? Shakatak?? Did you have chicken in the basket?? Eeeh, when I were a lad we was knee-deep in piss at every gig. Made me what I am today etc. Mark ....And you tell that t' kidz today and they worn't believe it.!Ari Yahoo! News - Today's headlines ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:58:08 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's your table In a message dated 16/09/2002 23:33:53 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > table???? > > What kind of a club was this? Was Tony Bennett on the bill? Shakatak Mr Marx's Table obviously. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:57:19 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (ir)relevance of the Drill In a message dated 16/09/2002 23:30:03 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > As for metal, hasn't Colin ben bigging up Hawkwing and Gentle Giant for a > cou > ple of years now.... > > Mark > Of course he has.2 of the landmark bands of the 70's in my humble opinion.The Thousand CD Knots various artists take is a commendable effort.Saw both Hawkwind & GG live.Gentle Giant were brilliant prog rock, yet, as they ridiculed themselves, pretentious.Awesome individual musicians with a drummer in John Weathers to die for.Check out the music.Best way to make your own mind up. If they brought out Silver Machine now it would still be a hit. Chris (been to the pub). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:11:03 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] Smash Hits to The Dome Howard Says: > Got into Dome in 1981 or 1982 - bought Dome2 on the strength of a review in > Smash Hits (surprisingly good UK teenybopper magazine - I was 15 or 16 at the > time so it's allowed). Dome reviewed in Smash Hits?! Actually that's not that surprising. Fantastic. Does anyone still have the review? Smash Hits was (and may still be...ask yer kids) a wonderful magazine, and they did love to slip in the occasional bit of indie subversion. I still have somewhere a folder full of treasured Cocteau Twins, Smiths and New Order articles. While they obviously pandered to the poplings, it was all done very tongue-in-cheek for the older kids (like saturday morning kids TV shows). I believe it was SH who first coined the word 'Frightwig' in reference to Tina Turner. And of course Paul McCartney will be forever known as Fab-Macca-Wacky-Thumbs-Aloft in this house, And of course it was once the home of an excellent, albeit rather geeky looking Journalist by the name of Neil Tennant! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:35:40 -0500 From: p o d s i x Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire In Toronto /raises hand >Who was there from the list. I was expecting to run into someone. > >Eric in Toronto (I was the guy in the navy blue Emigre t-shirt jumping >around madly stage right) > > Eric - I was there. Econochrist t-shirt and Steam Whistle in hand. Advantage in Height was the high point for me, Reuters was pretty special, but I can't say they really blew me away or anything. The folks who I went with all seemed to get a lot more out of it than I did. Guess I should've doubled my meds or something. Anyhow, I bought myself a t-shirt and CD and awoke this morning with a terrible headache and a plane to catch. I was in town for the film festival actually, rebooked the flight home to see Wire. New Cronenberg movie 0wnz. - -sam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:39:58 -0400 From: "Mrduul" Subject: [idealcopy] Getnle Giant and Hawkwind?? > Of course he has.2 of the landmark bands of the 70's in my humble opinion.The > Thousand CD Knots various artists take is a commendable effort.Saw both > Hawkwind & GG live.Gentle Giant were brilliant prog rock, yet, as they > ridiculed themselves, pretentious.Awesome individual musicians with a drummer > in John Weathers to die for.Check out the music.Best way to make your own > mind up. > If they brought out Silver Machine now it would still be a hit. > Chris (been to the pub). - ------I'm really really enjoying this list. Glad I joined. - -frank duul waiting for the inevitable PFM and ELP thread ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:56:23 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Blur In a message dated 9/16/02 5:18:22 AM, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: << Maybe Albarn can hire Toumani Diabati on kora... just a thought. >> i would buy that :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:33:37 -0400 From: Superflyww9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] El Rey Theater WIRE played here last week. Their sonic experiments have blown off the roof literally: (CBS)-(LOS ANGELES)-Fire officials Monday were inspecting the historic El Rey Theater after a fire inspector spotted structural damage during a television show taping the previous night. Hundreds of people were inside the art deco building at 5515 W. Wilshire Boulevard for the taping of an NBC Faith Hill special when the possible structural problem was observed. According to sources involved in the show, a fire inspector on the scene spotted some structural damage in the ceiling and called in structural engineers to examine it further. The engineers decided as a safety precaution to to evacuate the building. Fire officials planned to conduct a more extensive inspection of the building when they visited Monday. Built in 1936, the El Rey is a registered historic landmark located in the heart of the Miracle Mile district. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:03:09 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] preview and review from the L.A. Weekly WIRE at El Rey, September 8 Emerging and quickly diverging from the English punk scene circa 1976, Wire have off and on through the years built their very own quasi-minimalist-punk-art aesthetic, which has seen them veer from the speedy monochrome bursts of their debut classic, Pink Flag, to more expansive sound fields on Chairs Missing and 154 and into electronically tinged, tense but dancelike works such as The Ideal Copy and other more recent discs exploring ambient/remix and process-music schemes. These pieces all had something different and important to say, yet some of us were taken aback and overjoyed upon hearing Wire's new Read & Burn-01 and - -02 on their own Pink Flag label, two stunning sets of superdefined fury recalling the earlier slamming starkness of Pink Flag. At this particular point in time, for some reason, Wire's decision to play hard and fast feels so right. Wire (Photo by Fergus Kelly) Much like their set two years ago at the same venue, Wire used their seemingly brief time onstage Sunday to state their position with directness and force, and that's typically ironic, as this music was rather like being sledgehammered with ambiguity. The veteran foursome (singer/guitarist Colin Newman, guitar manipulator Bruce Gilbert, bassist Graham Lewis, drummer Robert Grey) approached their outbursts as studies in compressed, complicated sonority; when unleashed against Newman's rancorish rants (his yobby voice always comes off wry), the chunka-chunka and squall and ping of the band's twin guitars seared into the brain and scrubbed the body clean. Live, the Wire sound is characterized as much as anything by a superbly satisfying, metronomic snare-drum thwack laid coolly down by Grey (you remember his former surname, Gotobed); smack-dab in El Rey's sweet spot, right in front of the mixing board, the effect was neck-wrenching excitement itself. They played like a strong, young beat band, didn't skimp on the body-rock, but more interesting was to witness a beat band with such a keen comprehension of form and content: By fiercely focusing on a deliberately narrow tonal range, Wire emphasized again as they've done to such great effect especially on their later-period recordings that the real power in their material has everything to do with what they leave out. I did say Wire's set was short (and not sweet), but it might've just seemed that way. In any case, one left feeling that the band had sufficiently demonstrated its points, and had in fact squeezed a lot into their time upon the stage. (John Payne) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #313 *******************************