From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #303 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, September 10 2002 Volume 05 : Number 303 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] In Rememberance [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Nico [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] harbinger of good tidings/discog. question ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] a very sinister waltz ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] R&B 2 ["Jan Noorda" ] Re: [idealcopy] Nico [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire USA tour [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Nico ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] [ot] it's official - elektronika is dead [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] list welcome [Miles Goosens ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire USA tour [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire USA tour [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] R&B 2 [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] R&B 2 [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Some New Pop Records [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] R&B 2 ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 2 ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] Re: Wire USA tour [Rain19c@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] R&B 2 [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs ["Jan Noorda" ] Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs [Superflyww9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire USA tour + interview [Superflyww9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Section(ed) ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] R&B 2 [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Thoughts from last weekend... [Santa Cruzer ] [idealcopy] Re: [crispies] OT: Some New Pop Records [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 2 [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Some New Pop Records ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] Garbage Fighters (Pow! Pow! Pow!) [SSSSSSS ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:10:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] In Rememberance Poem for America All the tears are shed all the crying finished all our love for you not diminished for those of us here filled with grief anger disbelief for those of us here filled with pain and the thought we'll never see you again I know you're out there! felt you walking 'mongst the trees heard your whisper in the breeze now loud now soft by degrees I know you're up there! soaring with the birds now thundering by with the Buffalo herds I know you're down there ! under roots under stones dancing with the ancients bones This poems for you this poems for me it's my attempt to touch you and your spirit free I know you're with us dwelling amongst the trees running through the fields dancing with the breeze you know we love you and we always shall you know we love you don't you all the tears are gone all the crying finished all our love for you not diminished copyright:Ari,2001 Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:19:27 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nico > Real hairs-on-the-back-of-the-neck stuff... > Lou's Mullet was shite though... Pure poetry this... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:50:37 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] harbinger of good tidings/discog. question *had* to have been left off by the same guy who dumped the singing fish/not to/cn1 2cd i picked up there a few weeks ago, surely. i also saw a copy of bastard but passed up on it. perhaps that wasn't wise ... dan >Yesterday Melissa and I stopped in the Great Escape (good local used media >store) only because we needed to kill a half-hour before the Indian >restaurant we wanted to go to opened for dinner. I had been there only a >few days earlier and seen little of interest, but someone in the interim >had apparently sold his or her Colin Newman collection: there sat >COMMERCIAL SUICIDE on CD. Now it sits in my office. :-))) > >(There were also two copies of BASTARD and one of IT SEEMS, if anyone needs >me to pick 'em up for you at cost + postage.) > >Today R&B02 showed up. Saturday I see Wire. Life is good. > >OK, on COMMERCIAL SUICIDE (which I owned on LP, btw, so I had indeed heard >it before) -- the copyright on the disc is '85, but the Wire discog. says >Oct. '86. When was it really released? > >later, > >Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:23:57 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] a very sinister waltz I was playing Sinister Waltz from The Fall's Shiftwork LP earlier today, and was struck by a rather bizarre thought...It reminded me of the bit of the Tellytubbies where it goes 'Tellytubby Bye Bye'. If this is the Beeb's way of fast-tracking youngsters into the wit and wisdom of Mark E. Smith, then that truly is sinister ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:23:27 -0000 From: "Jan Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs I did see the Test Dept. twice. The first time in a parking place, underground. With dia-projectors and their metal-percussion. Sound was bad, but the entourage off course. This was just behind the Faces of Freedom releases Second time in my hometown was very spectacular. They were doing at that time something with the language-minorities in Europe and made a kind of play which reminded of an old battle between Welsh-men and English I suppose. They were doing this here because my provence Friesland, used to be important somewehere in the Middle-ages, they still have their own language,and off course you could find a battle between Frisian, Dutch, Danes or Saxon etc. Anyway the man-made hills are also familiair to this provence and Test Dept used this idea to their play. Gododdin it was called. In our ice-skate hall they made all kind of little islands by using old cars, but also islands made of filled sand-bags, and during the play, in the heat of the battle they were performing, the visitors of the concert have to seek for protection on the little islands. The water was ascending during this performance. The players, not the musicians, were standing between the visitors of the concert. They were playing a battle in the water and the visitors could watch from the hills. I had the idea that Test Dept had something do with other people. Social engagement. "We don' t take it any longer". Extrovert. This instead of Einstuerzende Neubauten. Their concept is more introvert. About the psyche. Weltschmerzen. I saw them also doing a concert whith a big theatrical attitude. They played once on an old Marine-ship in a harbour from Amsterdam. First you could see a black/white movie made by Fritz Lang. You could see this from the dock, they showed us along the long side of the ship. Then later on the Neubauten played on the ship on their way. Did did use the marine-ship for their sound. Beating, slashing and grinding this instrument of war. Very good statement. What about performances. I recognised Wire is playing in Vera. That's the place where Section 25, Sonic Youth, Frack Black, Steve Albini etc. are well-known. Fantastic. Last year the Pink Flag cover band. Now the band themself. And indeed Bart, you can go by walking. Probably see you there. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:59:34 -0000 From: "Jan Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] R&B 2 The Read and Burn 2 did also reach the Netherlands and it's a fantastic one. It's a ceedee you have to play loud. Sonic Art. Sound reminds me a little of the Chrome. Favourite track, I don' t know yet, that's a good sign I suppose. It's hard to believe that one of the records of the year is not available in the shops. Despite that I hope our men will get good response from the media and audience and from themselve to go ahead for the Read and Burn 3. Other bought releases Johann Johannson - Englaborn (fanatastic, sounds like Eno, with Kronos on a ECM new series release) Hazard - Land (nature sound recreating with nature sound, be carefull with life-naturesounds, we are loosing some) Philip Jeck & Kiekegaard - Soaked (Good one) Pan Sonic - The Jenny Divers ceedees. (Good) and there are still some MEGO's on their way PS: If I smell like this, it smells like cheap new underwear, I don't know what to do. Buying new and stinking like this or not and stinking like that. INDECISION ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:18:46 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nico From what I remember, it all fell apart over royalties etc for the projected album. Lou was demanding higher rates than everyone else (probably 100%!!) and Cale basically walked out. There was one new song of course, the not-very-good Coyote. So perhaps it was no bad thing.... Mark > > I think a new album > > would have been a huge mistake: neither Cale or Reed were looking at the > > "new" VU as their top priority, so how good could it really be?> > > I seem to recall that was a major grumble for Cale. *He* wanted to write > new > stuff, Lou didn't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:19:39 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire USA tour >>Does anyone know what "song 3' was?<< Mr Marx's Table Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:50:56 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nico Yes, Lou wanted to take sole rights for producing which meant he'd get a lot bigger share than the others. There was a very long and protracted war of faxes between Lou and the others. It's all documented in Victor Bokris's Lou Reed biog. Not that Lou would have anything to do with that book either. Something to do with the fact that it points out that Lou had homosexual relationships throughout his life until very recently - something that Lou now denies. Cheers John >From: MarkBursa@aol.com >To: keith.astbury10@virgin.net, mflaher3@triton.edu >CC: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nico >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:18:46 EDT > >From what I remember, it all fell apart over royalties etc for the >projected >album. Lou was demanding higher rates than everyone else (probably 100%!!) >and Cale basically walked out. > >There was one new song of course, the not-very-good Coyote. So perhaps it >was >no bad thing.... > >Mark > > > > I think a new album > > > would have been a huge mistake: neither Cale or Reed were looking at >the > > > "new" VU as their top priority, so how good could it really be?> > > > > I seem to recall that was a major grumble for Cale. *He* wanted to write > > new > > stuff, Lou didn't. http://www.captive.co.uk/bocca/ _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:04:41 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] it's official - elektronika is dead In a message dated 9/10/02 2:52:58 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << no. they don't wear leather trousers Robert ; ) >> hahahhahaa.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:00:29 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] list welcome Welcome not only to new member Scott, but to a number of other folks, both new and returning to the fold, who have subscribed in recent weeks. After a dip into the 160s (combined instant and digest lists), we're back up to 185, all since R&B02's release last week. So welcome and welcome back! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:15:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire USA tour They played the same set at the San Diego show, with the addition of "Advantage..." which was a real treat! > Does anyone know what "song 3' was? The setlist said it was "Mr Marx's Table". I guess they're starting on R&B 3 already! ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:20:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire USA tour >>> The setlist said it was "Mr Marx's Table". I guess > they're starting on R&B 3 already!<< > > It pre-dates some of R&B2.... it was played as long ago as Bristol, in > April. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:33:57 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs > And indeed Bart, you can go by walking. Probably see you there. Great! Wich color flower will you wear in your buttonhole Jan, so I'll be able to spot you? ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:43:41 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R&B 2 > The Read and Burn 2 did also reach the Netherlands and it's a fantastic one. YEAH! I've been playing it all day and now I'm all positively fucked up! Bart 8-D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:54:06 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R&B 2 On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 06:43:41PM +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > > The Read and Burn 2 did also reach the Netherlands and it's a fantastic one. > > > YEAH! I've been playing it all day and now I'm all positively fucked up! > > Bart 8-D My well-travelled (London->Cambridge->Edinburgh->Cambridge) copy just showed up. First reactions are it's noisy and *very* modern: it strikes me that Wire are a band making music now that couldn't have possibly been made when they started out, which is a fairly important point I think. I particularly like Trash/Treasure, Raft Ants, and 99.9 on a first listening, but it's good. It's very good. One point: is the format of this music important? 20 minutes seems about perfect for a dose of this style: it's very confrontational, aggressive, high-energy, and well, *tiring*. I couldn't listen to it all day, and I think that's the point - my nerves would get frazzled by it - and as such packaging it as a fifty-minute album, rather than two EPs, would work against the strengths of the music, I feel. - - Andrew - -- "Dissect a trillion sighs away - well, you got this letter, Jagged pulse slicing my veins; I write to remember." - At the Drive-In, "One Armed Scissor" ('Relationship of Command') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:22:05 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Some New Pop Records Tim, >>> I've also been listening to some Crispy Ambulance out of curiosity. > Unsightly and Serene alright! 50% brilliant! 50% shite!<< Out of interest, which bits do you think are brilliant, and which bits shite? Not an ounce of shite on Plateau Phase IMO... You going to see them on 26/10? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:12:57 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R&B 2 Yeah, it's perfect for me. With a house full of kids and loads of HBO produced TV to watch on tape my listening time is limited these days and this is the ideal length for me - unless I'm in the car (which isn't that often) I rarely hear a 45 minute album all the way through these days let alone those 65 minute albums which too many artist(e)s produce. Wire understanding my needs yet again! I think I would have been able to cope with a 40 minute version though in past years - after all I have been known to listen to a Killdozer album from start to finish. another the Keith (talking of which, can I add Killdozer to that list of bands who never disappointed live which I posted a few days ago in case anyone's keeping a tally - which of course they're not!). - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw > One point: is the format of this music important? 20 minutes seems about > perfect for a dose of this style: it's very confrontational, aggressive, > high-energy, and well, *tiring*. I couldn't listen to it all day, and > I think that's the point - my nerves would get frazzled by it - and as such > packaging it as a fifty-minute album, rather than two EPs, would > work against the strengths of the music, I feel. > > - Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:26:15 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 2 Yes, same for me (with the honourable exception of Snake/Drill). another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Flaherty To: Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:14 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 2 > The disc arrived Saturday, and I can't stop playing it. My favorite track > is 99.9, but there's not a weak moment. Taken together, these eps may well > be my favories since 154 (this refers to full-group Wire only). > > Here's to Read and Burn 3, > > Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:24:04 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs God, I wish I'd been at that icerink gig! The Pink Flag cover band - is this the same band that supported Wire in the States during their second incarnation? another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Noorda To: Ideal Copy Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs > I did see the Test Dept. twice. The first time in a parking place, > underground. With dia-projectors and their metal-percussion. Sound was bad, > but the entourage off course. This was just behind the Faces of Freedom > releases > > Second time in my hometown was very spectacular. They were doing at that > time something with the language-minorities in Europe and made a kind of > play which reminded of an old battle between Welsh-men and English I > suppose. They were doing this here because my provence Friesland, used to be > important somewehere in the Middle-ages, they still have their own > language,and off course you could find a battle between Frisian, Dutch, > Danes or Saxon etc. Anyway the man-made hills are also familiair to this > provence and Test Dept used this idea to their play. Gododdin it was called. > In our ice-skate hall they made all kind of little islands by using old > cars, but also islands made of filled sand-bags, and during the play, in the > heat of the battle they were performing, the visitors of the concert have to > seek for protection on the little islands. The water was ascending during > this performance. The players, not the musicians, were standing between the > visitors of the concert. They were playing a battle in the water and the > visitors could watch from the hills. > > I had the idea that Test Dept had something do with other people. Social > engagement. "We don' t take it any longer". Extrovert. This instead of > Einstuerzende Neubauten. Their concept is more introvert. About the psyche. > Weltschmerzen. > > I saw them also doing a concert whith a big theatrical attitude. They played > once on an old Marine-ship in a harbour from Amsterdam. First you could see > a black/white movie made by Fritz Lang. You could see this from the dock, > they showed us along the long side of the ship. Then later on the Neubauten > played on the ship on their way. Did did use the marine-ship for their > sound. Beating, slashing and grinding this instrument of war. Very good > statement. > > What about performances. I recognised Wire is playing in Vera. That's the > place where Section 25, Sonic Youth, Frack Black, Steve Albini etc. are > well-known. Fantastic. Last year the Pink Flag cover band. Now the band > themself. And indeed Bart, you can go by walking. Probably see you there. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:31:32 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wire USA tour >> ------- Advantage in Height Lowdown Pink Flag << Advantage in Height! Is this the first time an 80s Wire track has slipped in besides "Drill"? Man, I can wait to see them! >>Does anyone know what "song 3' was?<< I'll bet it was Mr Marx's table, the only unreleased song they are still playing (at the moment) ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:43:01 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R&B 2 > I think that's the point - my nerves would get frazzled by it Yeah, great, isn't it? 8-) Bart [still playing it...] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:54:45 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs Another the Keith: > The Pink Flag cover band - is this the same band that supported Wire in the > States during their second incarnation? Nope, these are a jolly bunch of semi-retired old Groninger punks for whom PF was their alltime fave album... The fun part of the gig was they tried to reproduce PF exactly including the amount of time inbetween songs. When they made a mistake during Lowdown [it was Lowdown wasn't it Jan?] they started all over again, wich was great. Good thing they didn't fuck up 12XU though. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:26:33 -0000 From: "Jan Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs > Another the Keith: > > > The Pink Flag cover band - is this the same band that supported Wire in the > > States during their second incarnation? > > > Nope, these are a jolly bunch of semi-retired old Groninger punks for whom > PF was their alltime fave album... > > The fun part of the gig was they tried to reproduce PF exactly including the > amount of time inbetween songs. When they made a mistake during Lowdown [it > was Lowdown wasn't it Jan?] they started all over again, wich was great. > Good thing they didn't fuck up 12XU though. > > Bart Some of them were playing in Kleg (a kind of Glenn Branca, Rhys Chatham influenced band) and others I believe the Boogies. and indeed during the concert they made a mistake and started all over again. And it was a very sweaty beerfull summer-evening. for Robert Lynn Hazard/Jeck and Johannson are the latest Touch releases The PanSonic ceedees are the live albums on Mute and the MEGO's who are travelling from Austria are the latest Kevin Drumm, Fennoberg and COH(van Pavlov) Jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:11:18 EDT From: Superflyww9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs In a message dated 9/10/02 11:55:24 AM, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: << Nope, these are a jolly bunch of semi-retired old Groninger punks for whom PF was their alltime fave album... >> That was the Ex-Lion Tamers? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:19:14 EDT From: Superflyww9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire USA tour + interview In a message dated 9/10/02 8:16:28 AM, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: << > Does anyone know what "song 3' was? The setlist said it was "Mr Marx's Table". I guess they're starting on R&B 3 already! >> Yeah that's right. Song 3 was Mr Marx's Table. I asked Colin about it. He said that there would be a Read and Burn 3. There's a new interview with Colin Newman here: http://www.freewilliamsburg.com/ Alexander ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:24:13 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs In a message dated 9/10/2002 11:08:24 PM GMT Daylight Time, MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com writes: > << Nope, these are a jolly bunch of semi-retired old Groninger punks for > whom > PF was their alltime fave album... >> > > That was the Ex-Lion Tamers?<< > > Welcome to groundhog list!!! > > No!!!!! The ex-Lion Tamers were American Wire fans who supported Wire's 80s > > US tour, playing Pink Flag from start to finish.... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:25:42 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Section(ed) Gary Owens... >memorable gig for me was Section 25 at the Liverpool Warehouse in late >1982, there must have been about 40/50 people in the place to start with, >after they had finished a really good set ( I thought so anyway... ), there >was only about 3 of us left in the audience. i was there...and i was one of the ones that pissed off, obviously... thought they were terrible that night, not a patch on the earlier L'pool gig at Pickwicks (Plato's Ballroom) with New Order and Crispy Ambulance (which i've mentioned before...) which i'll nominate as my most memorable/strange gig...along with the 'Perestroika' event at L'pool's St. George's Hall in the early 90's...plus playing my first ever gig (on my 18th birthday) at Ruthin Free Festival, playing Magazine's 'The Light Pours Out Of Me' in front of a bunch of stoned/pissed-up Hell's Angels demanding to hear 'Born To Be Wild'... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:56:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R&B 2 Bart van Damme wrote: > The Read and Burn 2 did also reach the Netherlands and it's a fantastic one. YEAH! I've been playing it all day and now I'm all positively fucked up! Bart 8-D Bart old chap,we all already knew that,in fact another another another the Keith has started a secret fund for you............... I'll get me white coat.Ari Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:17:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] Thoughts from last weekend... Well I wanted to take a moment and pass on some thoughts about how things went. There may be some spoilers, so read with caution....don't burn, though! I met up with fellow copyist Lydia in LA on Saturday afternoon and we headed down to San Diego for that show. She is really cool, BTW, and really had some great stuff to say about being one of the few women on the IC list! We got to the Casbah around 8:00 and were told that the doors would open at 8:30. We then got a referral to a local burger joint called the Waterfront and headed down for some badly needed food. As we were walking, a jet airliner flew about 150 feet over our heads!!!! VERY LOUD! Turns out the Casbah is just off the main airport's final approach!! It didn't affect the concert, but if you went to the smoking/chill out area the planes were loud all night! So the Standard opened the show and were actually pretty good! Their bassist and keyboardist were definite standouts. I liken them approximately to a Radiohead/Roxy Music/Eno vein. They played about 45 minutes and are worth checking out (IMO). The vocalist was good on guitar, but has one of those middle frequency voices that gets washed out by drums and rythm guitars. We were camped right in front of Bruce's spot, so got a very good view of the band all night long! And then THEY came out!! Colin came out to open Wire's set to read and shout vocals above a recorded (rather Dome-like!) background track for 99.9. Gilbert and Lewis came out and began playing their cables! Just thumping on the connectors with their fingers and manipulating the sounds with their effects. That was definitely a unique way to generate noise! Then the esteemed Mr Gotobed sat down and the band really kicked into high gear! The setlist has been posted, so I will just throw out some opinions/thoughts. - - Considering they were reading alot of the lyrics, they did very well on them! - - Early in the show (Germship, I think) Bruce broke a string on his red guitar and broke out his backup blue number. Toward the end of the show, he played Colin's black guitar and for the last couple of songs, played his red "5-string". - - At one point (Art of Stopping, I think), Colin was dancing around, stepped on his cable and unplugged his guitar! - - This show was LOUD!! I gave Lydia one of my earplugs and my left ear is still ringing!!! - - Since the club was so small, Colin mentioned that they would "Normally be in the dressing room, but there isn't one." Then said they would pretend to be in it, but WE had to also do the same, so the crowd went ballistic and the encore started! - -------------------------------------------------------- So Saturday, I basically played around LA waiting for the show and headed down to the El Rey about 45 minutes before the doors opened. I was pretty tired so I walked a few blocks and was buying some coffee, when who do I see walking down the other side of the street but Mr B. Gilbert! On the way back, I saw him crossing the street towards me, cigarettes in hand. He got on the sidewalk about 50 feet ahead of me and man can that guy move!! He has one of the fastest walking paces I've ever encountered!!! So the evening was similar to the San Diego show, although the El Rey is about 4 times bigger than the Casbah! The Standard did OK, they seemed much more on the Radiohead groove than the previous night. I made a point of standing in front of Graham that night, so got a major dose of how much energy he puts out during a show!!! Interesting notes from the night were: - - Graham singing one note too long at the end of 'Agfers..' - - Colin's rail guitar coming unstrapped and then watching him attempt to sing and rehook it at the same time! - - "Advantage in Height"!!! Holy shit that song rocked!!! - - Snagging page two of the 'Agfers...' lyrics. So Graham, any chance of you mailing me page 1??? - - A rather angry Graham sneering at the idiot who threw ice at him as he thanked the crowd before heading offstage. - - Robert's "you can't play drums that fast!" style of drumming! WOW!! - - Arriving home around lunchtime yesterday absolutely drained and completely happy!! Joe Bob says "Check 'em out!!" ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:26:12 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: [crispies] OT: Some New Pop Records In a message dated 9/10/02 2:22:54 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: << Not an ounce of shite on Plateau Phase IMO... >> the cd of that contains the 2 songs from the live on a hot august night 12" which is, imo, a perfect record. - -paul n.p. noise from www.diviner.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:30:43 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 2 another the keith replied, regarding r&b stuff being the best wire since 154: << Yes, same for me (with the honourable exception of Snake/Drill) >> along with crispy ambulance-live on a hot august night, snakedrill is on my list of perfect records. i may sit down later and try to think up what else is actually on my list :o) - -another the paul p.s. sorry i think i forgot to sign that last one ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:30:51 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Some New Pop Records Mark said > Tim, > > >>> I've also been listening to some Crispy Ambulance out of curiosity. > > Unsightly and Serene alright! 50% brilliant! 50% shite!<< > > Out of interest, which bits do you think are brilliant, and which bits shite? > > Not an ounce of shite on Plateau Phase IMO... It was Plateau Phase I was referring to! (I meant the music was Unsightly and Serene in equal measures). I can't say which specific tracks it is, its just how I feel when I listen to them. > You going to see them on 26/10? Maybe. Whats the new stuff like? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:49:54 -0700 (PDT) From: SSSSSSS Subject: Re: [idealcopy] In Rememberance Wow Ari, I had no idea you were a wtiter. Pretty frikkin good too. (poet to poet). Here's one of mine I wrote LAST 9/11: Assassin (pts 1 and 2)Assassin I am motionless void of emotional rain wasting a smile when grinning is pain the assassin comes into the dream like a breath dressed in black he is foul, he's a stain, he is death Between both the legs in the outland of places unknown the end, I shall blow up with my graces I'll destroy all my thoughts, for this knowledge is danger pulling carts full of nothing, stop to rest in the manger I feel empty in soul and I feel like I'll fly Far above I see chains as below I will cry All these needles of color too painful to dream my real life begins over when everything's clean At the end of the sleep time we see through their hold Its a sight, behold, revel and bask in Life's Gold. )2001 M. Scott Assasin (part II) Etched in my mind are the ills of my youth Hatred, resentment are masked by the truth I cant see thru glass that is solid as steel Or break thru the barriers phony or real Set the controls for the heart of the sun Aim for the darkness that comes from the gun Fired at shadows and dust on the dime Covering life with a blanket like time Its true what you say This is only today But isn't tomorrow Just a nightmare away? My hat with the flower is now in the trash I've taken my last of the cold whipping lash You lie like a thief just to shoulder a grin And smile like a shamen to disguise your sin You can't silence me I am stronger than thee And you are a virus with eyes that can't see I won't take your life Or pity your strife But know this is true I will not forgive you. I hear your proud song from the armies you guide And all of the time they all know that you lied to yourself, to your God, to your last helpless plea And worst of the worst is you represent me c M. Scott 2001 wearing my red, white, and blue to work tomorrow (mandatory!) and supplying lunch to some atlanta firemen. I feel so American. (Miles: Thanks for the welcome and thanks for getting me in here. I dont know what the problem was with the emails and the confirmations, etc....but thanks for your help. I'll let ya'all know how WIRE is after the show--gotta really listen to those cd's and get more familiar with all of the music.) - -scott- (also, if anyone knows the words to Shriekback's "Cradle Song", dontcha think it seems awfully pertinent to 9/11? I've published a whole page dedicated the tragedy at http://atlringz.tripod.com/blessedbetoallwhoenterhere/id14.html and the lyrics for Cradle Song are on the bottom of the page................) Ari Britt wrote:Poem for America All the tears are shed all the crying finished all our love for you not diminished for those of us here filled with grief anger disbelief for those of us here filled with pain and the thought we'll never see you again I know you're out there! felt you walking 'mongst the trees heard your whisper in the breeze now loud now soft by degrees I know you're up there! soaring with the birds now thundering by with the Buffalo herds I know you're down there ! under roots under stones dancing with the ancients bones This poems for you this poems for me it's my attempt to touch you and your spirit free I know you're with us dwelling amongst the trees running through the fields dancing with the breeze you know we love you and we always shall you know we love you don't you all the tears are gone all the crying finished all our love for you not diminished copyright:Ari,2001 Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost "It is a rare man who won't tamper with perfection." - Carl Marsh vIsIt Me @ http://atlringz.tripod.com/ - --------------------------------- Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:11:35 -0700 (PDT) From: SSSSSSS Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Garbage Fighters (Pow! Pow! Pow!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Hick" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Garbage Fighters (Pow! Pow! Pow!) > Anyone who's been to more Shellac and Butthole Surfers gigs than transvestite > gangbangs will surely recognice Garbage as the third rate T'Pau rip off they > obviously are. - -----obviously, but T'Pau weren't all that bad in their time > As for Foo Fighters, they aren't doing anything that Iron Maiden didn't > already try with more wit, class, style and bigger dicks. - ---and now Dave is touring with Tenacious-D, that crap-rock-morons playing badly band, led by supreme idiot Jack Black (of "Orange County fame-good flick, horrible band) I'm looking forward to boring you all with daily accounts of how I've been > listening to some fantastic old A-Ha singles. - ----saw an episode of VH1's "Where are they now? One hit wonders" spotlighting A-Ha. I guess no one at VH1 had ever heard "The Sun Always Shines on TV" (a rather big hit, as I remember it,) as it was monumentally better than "Take on Me." > It is true that the sun always shines on TV, I know I've seen Jurassic Park > (I've even been there in a past life a sick Triceratops). However, my Labour > MP is urging me to boycott Exxon, and so good citizens you know it makes - ----I was told to also boycott Chevron, Shell, Fina, Phillips 66 and to only use Conoco or Bp/Amoco.....the price to be patriotic....OY ! - -scott- "It is a rare man who won't tamper with perfection." - Carl Marsh vIsIt Me @ http://atlringz.tripod.com/ - --------------------------------- Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:21:11 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire in San Francisco Last night Wire in San Francisco were amazing--refined art-punk buzz. An exciting mind/body experience. I thrashed about like a fool and was a bit of a shouty bloke but I won't be embarrassed, on no, because it felt too good. Friends who had seen Wire before who were on the fence about going to see then were bowled over. It was all furiously fast songs, except--maybe--for "Lowdown." One of the most satisfying shows I've ever seen. Wow, to hear real punk music played by middle-aged men in 2002; kinda like getting to hear real bebop for the first time when I got to see Jackie McLean in '96? That's right, I'm too satisfied to be critical--I'll leave that to someone else. Robert (another) *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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Very Factory! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 2 > another the keith replied, regarding r&b stuff being the best wire since 154: > > << Yes, same for me (with the honourable exception of Snake/Drill) >> > > along with crispy ambulance-live on a hot august night, snakedrill is on my > list of perfect records. i may sit down later and try to think up what else > is actually on my list :o) > > -another the paul > > p.s. sorry i think i forgot to sign that last one ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #303 *******************************