From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #302 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, September 10 2002 Volume 05 : Number 302 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: Pere Ubu/family trees [Howard Spencer ] RE: [idealcopy] road trip music ["Eric Klaver" ] RE: [idealcopy] new to WiRe from Atlanta, Ga, USA ["Eric Klaver" ] [idealcopy] Section(ed) ["Gary Owens" ] Re: [idealcopy] new to WiRe from Atlanta, Ga, USA [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Section(ed) ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] st arkansas ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] Newsgroups (was st arkansas) [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Denver Review [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Section(ed) [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Read and Burn 2 [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] new to WiRe from Atlanta, Ga, USA [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] [SSSSSSS ] Re: [idealcopy] Nico ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] new to WiRe from Atlanta, Ga, USA [SSSSSSS ] Re: [idealcopy] Section(ed) [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Nico [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] Nico ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Wire USA tour [Superflyww9@aol.com] [idealcopy] OT: Some New Pop Records ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] [ot] it's official - elektronika is dead [rayographique <] Re: [idealcopy] new to WiRe from Atlanta, Ga, USA [rayographique Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Pere Ubu/family trees >David Thomas >Director >Ubu Projex >Hove, England bloody hell, we're going to be neighbours soon! Re. family stuff - coincidentally got sent a booklet this very w/e *(produced by my aunt) about our family history. It is unexotic (white English artisan/shopkeeper low-church anglican all the way) but contains the odd gem - like the ancestor who got hauled up in front of a House of Commons committee for bribing people to vote Conservative in Canterbury (c.1880) - and the story about my own grandfather burying his motorbike in concrete under his garage in some bizarre rites of passage ritual. Like MarkB, I have a grandfather (not the biker) who fought in WW1. Invalided out, lucky for him (and me). My family tend to reproduce either late or not at all. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 06:36:53 -0600 From: Don Poe Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Denver Review >>>Mostly new stuff was played. > > New as in unreleased songs or as in new songs from the 2 read and burns? > It would make sense for wire to be touring the US in support for R&B01, while > selling the first copies of R&B02 at the show, while the setlist is made up > of R&B03. New as in RnB1, and 2. Since I hadn't heard RnB2 yet, I can't say if any totally new songs were played. Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:49:30 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] road trip music I also quite liked the track "Tone Poem" Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Keith Knight Sent: September 7, 2002 7:56 AM To: rayographique; ideal copy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] road trip music It wasn't supposed to read as faint praise - Emerge gives me more pleasure than anything else I've heard this year that isn't by Wire (although I'm hopeful of Sigur Ros producing something great from their forthcoming album). another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: rayographique To: Keith Knight ; dan bailey ; ideal copy Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] road trip music > > > Fischerspooner's 'Emerge' is a great, great record > > and far, far better than > > anything else on the album IMHO. > > damning with faint praise > > nu nu nu > no no no > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:00:25 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] new to WiRe from Atlanta, Ga, USA Welcome SSSSSSSSSSS. Or is it just SSSSSSS? Can I call you 'S'? It is great having ICers with different Wire experiences. Eric in Toronto "It is a rare man who won't temper his perfection." - Tony Wilson (He didn't really say that of course but I finally saw 24 hr Party Poopers last night) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:00:26 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [ot] horticulture Our National Post keeps dumping people left and right (mainly left). I doubt you want to work for the Aspers though. Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of dan bailey Sent: September 7, 2002 4:17 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] horticulture actually, if i can indeed "read and type in a >semi-coherent fashion," the wonder is that i can do so despite laboring the last 9 1/2 months as metro editor at a goddamned gannett newspaper -- a situation i'm doing my best to rectify. i don't suppose anyone has any spare 200,000-or-so-circulation papers lying around in need of a night city editor? dan >In a message dated 9/7/02 10:18:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > ><< faulkner is > considered a total wannabe & arriviste. described above was the *normal* > side of the family -- i didn't delve at all into my mother's side, which > features mental illness, down's syndrome & a family tree that while it > branches (unlike my father's) also looks like an upside-down pyramid (2 > generations ago there were some 7 siblings; now it's down to me & my sister, > both childless). at time i feel like, not fletcher christian, but an > offspring of the snopeses & the house of usher. >> > > >Well, in that case, I'm impressed that you can read and type in a >semi-coherent fashion. > >JD >(whose family tree is a stunted crabapple with a vine of poison ivy up one >side.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:34:24 +0100 From: "Gary Owens" Subject: [idealcopy] Section(ed) memorable gig for me was Section 25 at the Liverpool Warehouse in late 1982, there must have been about 40/50 people in the place to start with, after they had finished a really good set ( I thought so anyway... ), there was only about 3 of us left in the audience. They did the decent thing played an encore and then took us to their dressing room for a drink.... We should have asked them for the taxi money home. Did any IC'ers see Section 25 and New Order somewhere in Blackpool in 1983? I sort of lost track of them mid-80's any one know what there up too these days? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:40:09 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] new to WiRe from Atlanta, Ga, USA Hello Scott...welcome to the list...enjoy yourself , it's a great group of individuals here... RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:33:40 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Section(ed) > memorable gig for me was Section 25 at the Liverpool Warehouse in late 1982, > there must have been about 40/50 people in the place to start with, after they > had finished a really good set ( I thought so anyway... ), there was only > about 3 of us left in the audience. Excellent! Reminds me of an old mate of mine whose band played a set at a house party. He was lead singer and said he was getting really into it, eyes closed, getting all intense into the mic, etc. and just assumed that everyone was getting into it just as much as him. Unfortunately, when he eventually opened his eyes everyone had pissed off to the kitchen and there was only the band left. Keith NP SFA - Rings Around The World ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:59:16 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] st arkansas you can access all newsgroups via www.google.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan bailey" To: "ideal copy" Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] st arkansas > for some insane reason, i've been completely unable to access any newsgroups > (i start downloading, then a window to the effect of "outook express is not > a recognized host," or somethning like that, pops up & everything stops) > since my hard-drive crash of 2 decembers ago (which also knocked out any & > all sound from my machine, as i've whined before). anyone have any ideas how > to address this situation? > > dan > > > > >there is a usenet newsgroup > >david thomas is a frequent visitor > >alt.something.pereubu if i recall > > > >--- dan bailey wrote: > >> anyone particularly knowledgeable about the whole > >> david thomas axis? i've > >> been mystified for months about why they're playing > >> a free show on 9/18 at > >> the liberal arts college 30 mins outside little rock > >> (that i'll probably > >> have to skip on the heels of this latest long haul, > >> though they're playing > >> nashville, somewhat closer, the day before [my & > >> hank sr's birthday] & the > >> considerably closer athens about a week later. the > >> friend i stayed with in > >> lr, though, tells me that someone connected with the > >> college's music > >> program -- possibly named danny grace -- was > >> apparently pals with thomas > >> back in the day, even doing some projects with him, > >> possibly going back to > >> the fabled drome records days. > >> anyone know? i don't have time or energy to go > >> looking through my copies of > >> the box-set booklet, various comps or from the > >> velvets to the voidoids ... > >> is there a pere ubu list or something? > >> > >> dan > >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > >http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:15:48 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Newsgroups (was st arkansas) On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 01:59:16PM -0400, Stephen Graziano wrote: > you can access all newsgroups via www.google.com > Or: i) You could try a different newsreader (Gravity and FreeAgent seem popular on Windows, MacSoup on Macs, and I like slrn on Unix): ii) get a shell account on an Unix system with nntp/nnrp facilities, and read news there. (The latter is what I do, but I'm a Unixhead anyway.) - - Andrew - -- "It's no problem if you play it cool; Things are different if you act the fool!" - - Super Furry Animals, "Play It Cool" ('Radiator') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:09:23 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nico At 06:21 PM 9/7/02 +0100, you wrote: >> Simply put, Marble Index, Desertshore, and The End are 3 of the best >albums >> ever recorded. The combination of John Cale and Nico . . . what can I >even >> say? Their works are beyond words and above criticism. Oh ... umm ... in >> my humble opinion, of course. >> >> Michael Flaherty > >We don't agree on much do we Michael! No ... not even about Wire (i.e. "best works" etc.) Which is the beauty of this site in >many ways... Not particularly surprising considering the topic (Wire). And for all my not being into her solo work, I love her >performances on VU&N. > >Just going back to that Nico gig a moment, my mate was transfixed. I've been >to a no. of gigs with him over the years, but never seen him look so into a >performer before or since. Not sure he ever forgave Pete Burns & co. for >cutting short Nico's set by doing her out of an encore... I guess hypnotic would be a reasonable way describe her work, so far as words can. My dream concert would be her and Cale--just the two of them--during Nico's prime. Well ... that or seeing the VU during Cale's tenure. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:05:39 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Denver Review > >>New as in RnB1, and 2. Since I hadn't heard RnB2 yet, I can't say if any > totally new songs were played.<< The set seems to be basically as per te ICA. So it's all or most of R&B1, plus 99.9, Spent and Read & Burn off R&B2. Mr Marx's Table, one assumes, will be on R&B3... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:13:23 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Section(ed) >>memorable gig for me was Section 25 at the Liverpool Warehouse in late 1982, there must have been about 40/50 people in the place to start with, after they had finished a really good set ( I thought so anyway... ), there was only about 3 of us left in the audience. They did the decent thing played an encore and then took us to their dressing room for a drink.... We should have asked them for the taxi money home.<< Actually Sections in Liverpool was one of my more unusual gig settings - I saw them play the Royal Iris Ferry in 1981 as it cruised up and down the Mersey. So I've seen SXXV in a boat and on a bandstand. Beat that!! > >>Did any IC'ers see Section 25 and New Order somewhere in Blackpool in > 1983? I sort of lost track of them mid-80's any one know what there up too > these > days?<< As I grew up in Blackpool and was very much part of that scene, I probably saw SXXV 10 times in Blackpool between 80 and 82. I think the last time I saw them in Blackpool was supporting New Order in August 82. Last time I saw them was, I believe, the last 'proper' gig theyt played, supporting New Order (as usual) at Preston GuildHall in 1985. Wound up operations about 86, buyt restarted last year. Go to www.section25.com to find more, including some decent downloadable MP3 demo/rehearsal songs. All has been quiet this year though, so maybe interest has waned. But you never know.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:14:49 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Read and Burn 2 The disc arrived Saturday, and I can't stop playing it. My favorite track is 99.9, but there's not a weak moment. Taken together, these eps may well be my favories since 154 (this refers to full-group Wire only). Here's to Read and Burn 3, Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:46:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] new to WiRe from Atlanta, Ga, USA RLynn9@aol.com wrote: Hello Scott...welcome to the list...enjoy yourself , it's a great group of individuals here... RL Oh yeh?sez who?Ari Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: SSSSSSS Subject: RE: [idealcopy] quote destruction Howdy eric, Scott will do (lol). Love the quote (i think.) Eric Klaver wrote:Welcome SSSSSSSSSSS. Or is it just SSSSSSS? Can I call you 'S'? It is great having ICers with different Wire experiences. Eric in Toronto "It is a rare man who won't temper his perfection." - Tony Wilson (He didn't really say that of course but I finally saw 24 hr Party Poopers last night) "It is a rare man who won't tamper with perfection." - Carl Marsh vIsIt Me @ http://atlringz.tripod.com/ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:50:31 -0700 (PDT) From: SSSSSSS Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Thanks RL. I know Ari already (notoriously) so I guess I'm off to a good start. RLynn9@aol.com wrote:Hello Scott...welcome to the list...enjoy yourself , it's a great group of individuals here... RL "It is a rare man who won't tamper with perfection." - Carl Marsh vIsIt Me @ http://atlringz.tripod.com/ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:00:47 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nico > Michael Flaherty was talking about Nico... > My dream concert would be her and Cale--just the two of > them--during Nico's prime. Well ... that or seeing the VU during Cale's > tenure. Speaking of which... Does anyone else here think that the way the people talk of the VU reformation of the early 90's stinks somewhat of revisionism? If a band get back together, the knives tend to come out and you get the obligatory mentions of the Velvets or the Pistols, and the use of words such as debacle (Wire are *generally* the exception to the rule here). I didn't see the Velvets on that tour, but I recall reading some pretty good reviews that raved about Mo's thunderous drumming in particular. And my Nico-loving mate thought they were great at Glastonbury... So is that they really weren't very good, or that they were only very good instead of great? Or is it that people don't want to think that a reformed act could possibly deliver. And then the sheep follow some critic's opinion until his view becomes written in stone? The video footage and the live album suggested to me that the band were in fine shape, and only two things stopped it being great for me. One - a dearth of new material - and secondly, Lou Reed's vocals and some of the rather naff inflections he's adopted in recent years. But it wasn't a disaster by any means IMO... Keith NP A Dillinger compilation... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:52:40 -0700 (PDT) From: SSSSSSS Subject: Re: [idealcopy] new to WiRe from Atlanta, Ga, USA yadda yadda yadda Ari........I'm going to see WIRE when they are here in Atlanta in just a few daze. Got tickets today. nya nya nya!!!! Ari Britt wrote:RLynn9@aol.com wrote: Hello Scott...welcome to the list...enjoy yourself , it's a great group of individuals here... RL Oh yeh?sez who?Ari Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes "It is a rare man who won't tamper with perfection." - Carl Marsh vIsIt Me @ http://atlringz.tripod.com/ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:06:04 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nico Keith, >>I didn't see the Velvets on that tour, but I recall reading some pretty good reviews that raved about Mo's thunderous drumming in particular. And my Nico-loving mate thought they were great at Glastonbury...<< I saw them at the Town & Country Club/Forum. Mo was indeed on splendid form, as was Sterling. Highlight was probably the Cale-sung All Tomorow's Parties... The thing about that gig which everyone who attended remarked on was the way that, within seconds of them started playing, you knew it was them - and you knew then that no other band could ever sound like VU (and god knows how many have tried...). Real hairs-on-the-back-of-the-neck stuff, and the mark of true greatness IMO. Wire do this too, and Televsion also. So no revisionism as far as I'm concerned. Revolutionary, timeless-sounding band reforms twenty-five years after the event, plays timeless set. Reputation intact, and ticked off in the Ian Allan book ;-) Lou's Mullet was shite though... Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:31:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] new to WiRe from Atlanta, Ga, USA/pt 3.796 Ari Britt wrote:Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:22:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] new to WiRe from Atlanta, Ga, USA To: SSSSSSS SSSSSSS wrote: yadda yadda yadda Ari........I'm going to see WIRE when they are here in Atlanta in just a few daze. Got tickets today. nya nya nya!!!! I DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!(sulking,Ari leaves the stage) Jaime sed she's gonna join the list also,so she can continue to harras us,got an email from her today,she wont be able to come to my party after all(sulking, Ari leaves the stage) I'll get me dijari doo Ari Britt wrote:RLynn9@aol.com wrote: Hello Scott...welcome to the list...enjoy yourself , it's a great group of individuals here... RL Oh yeh?sez who?Ari Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes "It is a rare man who won't tamper with perfection." - Carl Marsh vIsIt Me @ http://atlringz.tripod.com/ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nico Keith Astbury wrote: > Michael Flaherty was talking about Nico... > My dream concert would be her and Cale--just the two of > them--during Nico's prime. Well ... that or seeing the VU during Cale's > tenure. Speaking of which... Does anyone else here think that the way the people talk of the VU reformation of the early 90's stinks somewhat of revisionism? If a band get back together, the knives tend to come out and you get the obligatory mentions of the Velvets or the Pistols, and the use of words such as debacle (Wire are *generally* the exception to the rule here). I didn't see the Velvets on that tour, but I recall reading some pretty good reviews that raved about Mo's thunderous drumming in particular. And my Nico-loving mate thought they were great at Glastonbury... So is that they really weren't very good, or that they were only very good instead of great? Or is it that people don't want to think that a reformed act could possibly deliver. And then the sheep follow some critic's opinion until his view becomes written in stone? The video footage and the live album suggested to me that the band were in fine shape, and only two things stopped it being great for me. One - a dearth of new material - and secondly, Lou Reed's vocals and some of the rather naff inflections he's adopted in recent years. But it wasn't a disaster by any means IMO... Totaly agree with you here Kieth,they did sound pretty darn good,but,alas,Lou HAS lost it,he should take a few years off to do other things,hasn't relaesed anything good for several years,he was,in my mind,along with cale et al THE originator of what we now call Punk. you Sonic Youth concert c.d shall be mailed tomorrow.Ari NP A Dillinger compilation... Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:51:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Section(ed) Gary Owens wrote: sort of lost track of them mid-80's any one know what theyre up to these days? set in history I should think,as it's now 2002.Ari Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:16:40 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nico At 09:00 PM 9/9/02 +0100, you wrote: >> Michael Flaherty was talking about Nico... >> My dream concert would be her and Cale--just the two of >> them--during Nico's prime. Well ... that or seeing the VU during Cale's >> tenure. > >Speaking of which... > >Does anyone else here think that the way the people talk of the VU >reformation of the early 90's stinks somewhat of revisionism? As you've noted, there was no new material, and one of the things the VU are noted for is that they were so "new", so of course they were criticized. But the recordings sound fine to me--and I think a new album would have been a huge mistake: neither Cale or Reed were looking at the "new" VU as their top priority, so how good could it really be? I never saw them because they re-broke before they got to the US ... Lou was making sure everyone knew that he was doing them a favor, and Cale and (especially) Morrison had had about enough by the Euoropean tour's end. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:14:40 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nico Me... > >>I didn't see the Velvets on that tour, but I recall reading some pretty > good > reviews that raved about Mo's thunderous drumming in particular. And my > Nico-loving mate thought they were great at Glastonbury...<< Mark... > I saw them at the Town & Country Club/Forum. Mo was indeed on splendid form, > as was Sterling. Highlight was probably the Cale-sung All Tomorow's > Parties... Even on the strength of the cd and tv, Cale's vocals were much much better, even if ultimately I'm more of a Lou fan. > Real hairs-on-the-back-of-the-neck stuff, and the mark of > true greatness IMO. Wire do this too, and Televsion also. > > So no revisionism as far as I'm concerned. Revolutionary, timeless-sounding > band reforms twenty-five years after the event, plays timeless set. Really re-assuring to read this. > Lou's Mullet was shite though... Absolutely!!! Time Laurie took him in hand. So to speak. Michael F... > I think a new album > would have been a huge mistake: neither Cale or Reed were looking at the > "new" VU as their top priority, so how good could it really be?> I seem to recall that was a major grumble for Cale. *He* wanted to write new stuff, Lou didn't. >Lou was making sure everyone knew that he was doing them a favor, and Cale and > (especially) Morrison had had about enough by the Euoropean tour's end. Lou just seems to be the expert on pissing people off, doesn't he. I recall Janis Long talking about him on Radio 1 many yrs ago...She said he was the one hero who she wished she had never met - unfortunately, to such a degree that meeting him had tainted her view on his music. Keith NP Spiller - Groovejet 45 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 20:59:22 -0400 From: Superflyww9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Wire USA tour Wire are doing a tour right now. If you are planning to see them, they are playing mostly songs from their recent EPs, one of them is available only at the gigs. The setlist in Los Angeles was: 99.9 Germ Ship Song 3 (?) 1st Fast Read & Burn The Agfers of Kodack Comet The Art of Stopping Spent I Don' t Understand - ------- Advantage in Height Lowdown Pink Flag Does anyone know what "song 3' was? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:27:00 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Some New Pop Records In between plays of R&B02 which I commented on last week, This week, I will be mostly listening to: Squarepusher - 'Do You Know Squarepusher'. Another Mini LP, Tom has a stab at UK Garage style beats, title track is among the best things he's done. Some rapping on here, but it sounds like he's rapping an Open University lecture on quantum physics or something. It descends into rather freefrom electronic noodling for a bit, and then ends rather suprisingly with a blurred, hazy version of 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'(!) Although I wish he'd play his bass a bit more often, he still does the most splendid cut-up dance music around, and on the strength of this he has left Aphex Twin way behind in the playpen. But get this bargain-hunters, It comes with a second disc with an hour long live set from Japan as well, which is splendid, has too much reverb so you feel like you were really "there"...and unlike most electronica peformers, Tom actually speaks to the audience! And the crazier he gets the louder they cheer! Great stuff. I love the juxtaposition of the deranged music and the artist doing classic rock shouts of 'How ya doin' Alright?'....Like the evil brother of Ray Vaughan on Phoenix Nights....SHABBA!!!! (Apologies to those outside the UK). Schneider TM - Zoomer. Bit of change of tack from previous stuff I've heard from him which was in the nice-but-clinical To Roccoco Rot style. We've got lots of vocals, meaning we veer somewhat towards a sort of Krautronica version of Beck or Cornelius, but its all rather good, and fortunately he has a terrific, Euro-pop voice. Seems he's come out of the post-rock/electronica closet as a singer/songwriter much as Jim O'Rourke did. Always good to hear people like this messing with pop formats (see 80s Wire/70s Eno). Lots of looped harmonic vocals which I like, and a hint of Fennesz in the way he has chopped around acoustic guitars and digital noise, albeit in a much less fractured way. As with previous records, theres a hint of Kevin Shields in some of the guitar loops as well. Very accessible stuff, good jumble of styles and I rather like it. ESG - Step Off Lots of Factory chat on list, so y'all might like this. ESG of course released a couple of tunes on Factory and are most famous for that scary horror-film noise ('UFO') that Public Enemy and countless others sampled to death. Well, the Scroggins sisters are back, and sound like The White Stripes covering ACR tunes. This record could have been recorded in a dusty, North Manchester studio in 1980 with Martin Hannett at the controls (it was actually made last year in NYC, and of course Martin has since joined Ian Curtis at the great Pub in the sky...although ESG clearly haven't forgotten a few of his tricks) and sounds all the better for it. Sparse, moody, Hannett-esque and sneakily funky. I've also been listening to some Crispy Ambulance out of curiosity. Unsightly and Serene alright! 50% brilliant! 50% shite! - -------------------------------------------------- Mediocre and Dated. www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] it's official - elektronika is dead from the lowercase-sound list: Message: 2 Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:27:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Philip von Zweck Subject: veggies hi, from: http://www.globeandmail.ca/ The Vienna Vegetable Orchestra, which plays carved-out carrots, aubergines, pumpkins and other vegetables, has been playing to packed houses, says The Sunday Telegraph. Jorg Piringer, who plays the "gurkophone" (a horn made from a hollowed cucumber), leads the band of 10 to 20 players. The musicians carve their instruments before every concert. Afterwards, a cook adds them to a big pot of soup or stew for the players and audience to share. The vegetable music, say aficionados, bears comparison to the best electronic music yours, Philip __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:27:28 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] new to WiRe from Atlanta, Ga, USA well at least > it's a ... group of > individuals here... not much from the lemmings here - even the FoS and ELO contingents can hardly be accused of following the crowd ^)^ r)(0)(m - who is still feeling rather tropical following last evenings sublime sakamoto morelbaum 2 show in chi and looking very much forward to reading and burning saturday night __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:52:35 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] new to WiRe from Atlanta, Ga, USA >well at least > >> it's a ... group of >> individuals here... & even though i'm from the FoS & ELO contingents, by god if i don't own 2 7"s & a retrospective cd by mid-to-late-'80s anarchos, group of individuals! dan > >not much from the lemmings here - even the FoS and ELO >contingents can hardly be accused of following the >crowd >^)^ > >r)(0)(m - who is still feeling rather tropical >following last evenings sublime sakamoto morelbaum 2 >show in chi > >and looking very much forward to reading and burning >saturday night > >__________________________________________________ >Yahoo! - We Remember >9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost >http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 23:57:33 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] harbinger of good tidings/discog. question Yesterday Melissa and I stopped in the Great Escape (good local used media store) only because we needed to kill a half-hour before the Indian restaurant we wanted to go to opened for dinner. I had been there only a few days earlier and seen little of interest, but someone in the interim had apparently sold his or her Colin Newman collection: there sat COMMERCIAL SUICIDE on CD. Now it sits in my office. :-))) (There were also two copies of BASTARD and one of IT SEEMS, if anyone needs me to pick 'em up for you at cost + postage.) Today R&B02 showed up. Saturday I see Wire. Life is good. OK, on COMMERCIAL SUICIDE (which I owned on LP, btw, so I had indeed heard it before) -- the copyright on the disc is '85, but the Wire discog. says Oct. '86. When was it really released? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:01:17 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] it's official - elektronika is dead no. they don't wear leather trousers Robert ; ) > from: http://www.globeandmail.ca/ > > The Vienna Vegetable Orchestra, which plays carved-out > carrots, > aubergines, pumpkins and other vegetables, has been > playing to packed houses, > says The Sunday Telegraph. Jorg Piringer, who plays > the "gurkophone" (a > horn made from a hollowed cucumber), leads the band of > 10 to 20 > players. The musicians carve their instruments before > every concert. > Afterwards, a cook adds them to a big pot of soup or > stew for the players and > audience to share. The vegetable music, say > aficionados, bears comparison > to the best electronic music > > yours, > > Philip > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! - We Remember > 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost > http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #302 *******************************