From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #299 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, September 7 2002 Volume 05 : Number 299 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Test Department [Mark McQuitty ] Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] Birmingham Frequencies ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Birmingham Frequencies [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] R n B 2 ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] first fast ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] R n B 2 ["DAN L ROSE" ] [idealcopy] strange gigs (was Birmingham Frequencies) [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] North American tour opens tonight [Miles Goosens ] [idealcopy] The Appliance of science ["Fergus Kelly" ] [idealcopy] Nico [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] The Appliance of science ["Mrduul" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Test Department Test Department - I'm jealous Keith. I really liked them. Got a few records but never had the resources to get to any of their gigs which always seemed to be in London as I remember. (So, it seemed to me, did everything back then, living in the midlands...) Always loved the track 'Fuckhead'. Great title. Suprised recently to read in a Vic and Bob biog that Vic was really into Test Dept and I think was involved in some way. Cheers, MarkM > Here's a question for y'all, what's the most unusual gig/event venue > attended? > > Probably Test Dept in Cannon St station - for those not familiar with London > rail termini, a commuter station which closes at weekends and therefore for > some reason allowed the notorious lefty, metal-bashing ranters to do their > thing on a Saturday night at the end of Platform 6. Not much of a bar as I > recall. A year or so later (84?) they continued the theme by playing > Bishop's Bridge Rail Maintenance depot in west London - a cavernous space > built under railway arches. By this time they had trapeze artists and > striking miners performing as well. Later saw them at a converted synagogue > in Brixton, so in terms of unusual venues Test Dept get the trophy from me. > Always thought they were tremendous live. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 04:18:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Strange gigs > Here's a question for y'all, what's the most > unusual gig/event venue attended? 2K (aka KLF) at the Barbican: A back projection of a brick ("this brick"), with a severe remix of the theme from Fame. Two sheeted mounds in the middle of the floor. A gold-suited vicar compere. "The only two forms of working class music are brass bands and house." Mounds unveiled to reveal two old gits in wheelchairs, dressed in pyjamas, with horns strapped to their heads. Brass band plays What Time is Love?/Fuck the Millenium while Cauty and Drummond (as old gits) make havoc on the stage, one with an axe, the other plucking a dead swan. A funk band (unhead) playing in the corner. House music fades to a raised curtain. A choir of fishermen sing K Cera Cera. And so on... 20 minutes of oddness, ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.com News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 04:33:51 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs - --- Wireviews wrote: > 2K (aka KLF) at the Barbican: ... > A choir of fishermen sing K Cera Cera. Que? Whatever Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:38:18 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Birmingham Frequencies > another the Keith said... > Support, Martini Henry Rifles, were a lot better - loud, raucous and > belligerent and comprised of reasonable lookalikes - John Cusack on drums, > Kevin Ayers on guitar and Robbie Fowler (a footballer if you're still > reading this far) on vocals. Good looking bunch then were they ; ) BTW Keith, just in case you didn't know, I'm sure I saw an ad for a forthcoming Kevin Ayers gig in London.... Keith np Roots Manuva - run come save me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:40:44 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Strange gigs Remember the bemused/confused reviews of this 2K gig. If you haven't read Drummonds book '45', then you may want to read his perspective on the gig - and the reasons behind it... Very entertaining book. Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Wireviews To: Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Strange gigs > > Here's a question for y'all, what's the most > > unusual gig/event venue attended? > > 2K (aka KLF) at the Barbican: > > A back projection of a brick ("this brick"), with a > severe remix of the theme from Fame. > > Two sheeted mounds in the middle of the floor. > > A gold-suited vicar compere. "The only two forms of > working class music are brass bands and house." > > Mounds unveiled to reveal two old gits in wheelchairs, > dressed in pyjamas, with horns strapped to their > heads. > > Brass band plays What Time is Love?/Fuck the Millenium > while Cauty and Drummond (as old gits) make havoc on > the stage, one with an axe, the other plucking a dead > swan. > > A funk band (unhead) playing in the corner. > > House music fades to a raised curtain. > > A choir of fishermen sing K Cera Cera. > > And so on... > > > 20 minutes of oddness, > > > > > > ===== > ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- > http://www.wireviews.com > News, reviews and dugga. > > VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com > SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com > -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:23:19 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: reunions/george wallace/f'spooner actually, this was to be (or should've been) the summer of my 25th high school reunion, but either they dropped the idea or never got in touch with me (though my mail has been being forwarded from lr... though when i was at the house this weekend i found a couple of items in the mailbox, included an advert from the guy who used to do the phil dick zine for dickheads only, which really should've been a clue as to how the whole weekend would go). just as well -- had it been in early june as was the case for the 10th, i'd have been newly girlfriend-less, not to mention about twice as heavy as i was back in school. *sigh* still, one of my proudest moments was of course being named "boy who changed the most" at the aforementioned 10th, which -- sw ark being sw ark -- was an alcohol-free, whites-only event held out in a very humble deer camp in the middle of nowhere. george wallace? watched a long bio on him at the hot springs documentary film festival (which i've scheduled a week off for this year, as has been my practice the past couple of years), & i think he did mellow with age regard things racial, though i suspect that the original impetus for doing so was to curry favor with changing voter demographics as more & more blacks started going to the ballots. (montgomery, for instance, is something like 48 percent white, 49 percent black & 3 percent "other.") he died maybe 5 years ago, a few years after my home state's version, orval faubus (whose body another editor & i went to see lie in state in the capitol rotunda. it was xmastime, & a tree was up & all sorts of decorations. we lamented the fact that no toy train track was routed over the coffin, or that it wasn't at least wrapped up like an xmas present under the tree). as for fischerspooner, the 15th & emerge were the only 2 songs i heard, as my friend who owns the disc assured me that they were really the only things on it worth hearing. geez, we'll have to compare notes on 3rd-party politics sometime. also one of my academic interests back in my days as a history grad student, esp. huey long's assassination-aborted aspirations for the white house in the mid-'30s. dan >Dan, list, >Whoo. Reunions are scarey things - whether family based or otherwise. Went >to a school one the day of the ICA gig - all added up to one brain-twisting >experience. > >Whatever happened to George 'fucking' Wallace? Didn't he do a massive U-turn >and become a supporter of civil rights? (Did a dissn at Univ on third party >politics in the US and got interested in the subject). > >Glad you like Fischerspooner's 15th, Dan - so do I. But thought their UK >TOTP appearance trod a very fine line between the inspired and the >ridiculous. And the album as a whole ain't much cop IMO. > >Howard >--- >In a message dated 6/9/02 1:12:34 am, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: > ><< > in which he [a] learns that his father's parents were not >> only cousins, as previously known, but *first*cousins, [b] sees his father's >> grave for the first time ever, a mere 35 years after his death, [c] consults >> a perpetual calendar & confirms that he totaled his car in south la. >> precisely *13* years after said father's death, [d] learns that the whole >> clan left barbour co., ala, a few dozen miles south of here [montgomery] in >> the late 1800s & thus probably -- esp. with the cousins-married thing -- is >> related to everybody in that small place, which would include george fucking >> wallace ... & would also explain his preternatural liking for "sweet home >> alabama", * [e] discovers that his grandparents' first child was born in >> montgomery ... probably it was fate that i wound up here, not that i'm very >> happy about it >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:29:13 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] She is Beyond >> somebody else -- keith astbury? -- a burn of the apparently obscure t. rex >> tribute resurrection of the warlock, only to have my assistant day editor >> split up with his boyfriend (the burner owner) before one could be burned, >> though luckily the disc itself didn't go to mobile with the ex. > >t'was indeed me Dan! and if you ever want a cdr of decent Bolan out-takes >then let me know... a computer tech at work (also an arkansas native with her most recent roots in lr, including my newspaper there, albeit before my time) has offered to sell me her never-used burner, but i'm holding out for a price-drop on the ones that function as just another stereo component, rather than a computer accessory. *sigh* > >the new Mekons cd gets a decent review in this months Uncut BTW. (4 out of 5 >stars I think) listened to it a couple of times last night ... sort of echoes not only 2000's journey to the end of the night but also the late '80s stuff, like so good it hurts & rock'n'roll. seems a bit short, or maybe it's my attention span. speaking of (the lack of) which, there's no way i'll form a decent impression of the disc (as is true of virtually everything i've ever listened to) before at least 4 or 5 listens. dan > >Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:13:27 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Birmingham Frequencies > <<> Here's a question for y'all, what's the most unusual gig/event venue > > attended?<< Mzui takes some beating for overall strangeness (was it a gig? an exhibition? installation?) Also the Factory records extravaganza at Blackpool Stanley Park Bandstand, one warm summer Saturday afternoon in 1980, with ACR, Section 25, Tunnelvision, Eric Random etc. Totally inappropriate setting for the factory sound - yet it worked... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:33:04 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R n B 2 saw them in chitown in 2000 as part of a fairly decent little contingent of listers. am hoping i don't find myself constituting an audience of one at atlanta on the 21st ... surely to god not. dan >In a message dated 9/5/02 2:31:28 PM Central Daylight Time, >mflaher3@triton.edu writes: > ><< As of yesterday it hasn't arrive here (which hardly seems surprising). I > did want to note for those considering whether to buy now or wait (in the > US) that: 1. Posteverything is fast, and you'll probably get it before the > show; > 2. I'm being charged 1.00 (UK) for shipping--approximately 1.50 (US). I > couldn't get a cd shipped to the other side of Chicago for that price. > > Michael Flaherty > >> > > >speaking of the Wire show in Chicago.....How many IC massive will be at the >Chicago show? Shall we wear something conspicuous to find each other or would >you rather not be found!? I AM GOING AFTER ALL....i still don't have a way >there (from St. Louis) but i have a ticket so i will find one!.... > >Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:35:58 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] first fast ordered mine last night (hopefully it'll be processed today, as with the time difference it should've been input, or whatever, circa the beginning of the business day in the uk), & will report on how long it takes to reach the deep dark south. dan >ordered my copy of R&B02 tuesday morning and here it is in new york already >thursday afternoon. it was quite fast for even posteverything. going to >listen to R&B all day, will report back. >~michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:29:32 -0400 From: "DAN L ROSE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R n B 2 Nope. I'll be there with a small contingent in tow. Can't wait!. Dan (not dan) From: "dan bailey" To: "ideal copy" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R n B 2 Date sent: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:33:04 -0500 > saw them in chitown in 2000 as part of a fairly decent little contingent of > listers. am hoping i don't find myself constituting an audience of one at > atlanta on the 21st ... surely to god not. > > dan > > > > > >In a message dated 9/5/02 2:31:28 PM Central Daylight Time, > >mflaher3@triton.edu writes: > > > ><< As of yesterday it hasn't arrive here (which hardly seems surprising). > I > > did want to note for those considering whether to buy now or wait (in the > > US) that: 1. Posteverything is fast, and you'll probably get it before the > > show; > > 2. I'm being charged 1.00 (UK) for shipping--approximately 1.50 (US). I > > couldn't get a cd shipped to the other side of Chicago for that price. > > > > Michael Flaherty > > >> > > > > > >speaking of the Wire show in Chicago.....How many IC massive will be at the > >Chicago show? Shall we wear something conspicuous to find each other or > would > >you rather not be found!? I AM GOING AFTER ALL....i still don't have a way > >there (from St. Louis) but i have a ticket so i will find one!.... > > > >Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:33:42 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] strange gigs (was Birmingham Frequencies) mark nominated >>Mzui takes some beating for overall strangeness (was it a gig? an exhibition? installation?) Funnily enough I was googling a coupla hours ago around 'David Coppenhall' who is credited with the design of the Read & Burn covers (which I just love) and from that got into a Russel Mills website which had cover shots & a description of Mzui...it's at http://www.permanence.de/millscat/sound/mzui.htm have an ideal weekend chums later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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I only ask because the Chicago show is 18 and over, and they do check (for those who look like you could POSSIBLY be under 18, bring an ID). Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:11:29 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] North American tour opens tonight Wire in Denver tonight, bringing the R&B01/02 blinding sheets of noise to stages on these shores for the first time. Any ICers attending tonight? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:56:36 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: 6 Music Newsletter #13 06.09.2002 The IC camp were split on the Garbage front, but for those who like the other Shirley & Co... > Hello inboxes everywhere. Here's your newsletter . Enjoy! > > - GARBAGE DOUBLE WHAMMY - > That Shirley Manson . she gets everywhere. On Janice Long's Dream Ticket tonight (Friday) you can hear an hour of Garbage recorded at Leeds Metropolitan University in 1996. If you miss it tonight you can hear it anytime you like over the next seven days on the BBC Radio Player. > Then on Sunday morning Shirley Manson joins Tracey Macleod to talk about the music that rocks her world on MY LIFE IN CD. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/bbcsessions/dream_ticket.shtml > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/presenters/tracey_macleod/ > > - COLDPLAY AND ASH - > Ash's Burn Baby Burn was the record which lauchned 6 Music back in March. So we were all rather chuffed when they came in to play it live on Gideon's show last week. You can listen back to it on Gideon's page on the website (and see pictures of Gid and Ash in the studio). > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/presenters/gideon_coe/ > Also new to the site, you can hear Coldplay talking to Andrew Collins about their number one album 'A Rush Of Blood To The Head'. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/presenters/andrew_collins/ > > GUESTS / SESSIONS > Death in Vegas are guesting on Bruce Dickinson's Freak Zone on Sunday night. On Monday night Tom Robinson is honoured by a visit from legendary axeman Jeff Beck, and also on Monday former Wonder Stuff frontman Miles Hunt will join Phill Jupitus. > Andrew Collins has three excellent bands on his show in the next seven days. Listen out for Electric Soft Parade (Monday), Kidd Dynamo (Tuesday) and Dawn Of The Replicants (Thursday) > And Tom Robinson's show will feature session tracks from Blue States and Moses throughout the week. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/presenters/ > > - COMING SOON - > Don't miss our special programmes and features to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Rolling Stones. Starting on Monday 16 September; There'll be an 8-part documentary running across Tom Robinson's Evening Sequence, a range of guests reassessing the band's influence and a huge online competition with a 'money-can't-buy' prize. Plus every day we'll showcase tracks from a different era or sub-genre of the entire Stones canon! > Then on 23 and 24 September we celebrate the life and the songs of the fabulous Kirsty MacColl with a documentary and an exclusive recording of a special tribute gig featuring Billy Bragg, Roddy Frame, Evan Dando, Johnny Marr and many others. More details in next week's newsletter. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/ > > That's your lot for now. Have a great weekend. > > Love from the 6 Music newsletter whippet. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:01:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] lost behavior encourages forgiveness...in every city? > round hair smoked hair tear those sycophants > idiola coca cola if you sign with my motorola > funky moon looney tune want some king's food > cheap love from above got to draw basketball funky moon looney tune? someone's been listening to The Slider methinks! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:13:33 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire in today's Seattle P-I A preview of the upcoming Wire show in Seattle from the Seattle PI. Cheers, Paul > Totally Wired > > When the members of Wire decided to reconnect two years ago, their > return couldn't have been better timed. Contemporary music was finally > in sync with them. Indie-poppers, art-rockers, punkers and DJs alike > patterned their currents after Wire's nervy punk or avant dance pop. And > if everyone else was profiting off the sound the English quartet > invented 23 years before, why shouldn't Wire? > > Wire -- composed of Colin Newman, Bruce Gilbert, Graham Lewis and Robert > Grey -- has always been a visionary. Its radical debut -- 1977s "Pink > Flag" -- is a quintessential punk album, and consistently rates among > the best punk albums ever recorded. From Sonic Youth and Big Black to > Elastica and Guided by Voices to Mogwai and Clinic, countless bands have > been greatly affected by the angular rush of "Pink Flag," as well as > Wire's other two albums of the period: "Chairs Missing" (1978) and "154" > (1979). > > But as the punk boom faded with the decade, Wire, too, lost its charge > and unplugged in 1980. Five years later, the four reformed. Yet this > time they had put down the guitars and taken up positions behind > synthesizers and began making experimental dance music. Throughout the > '80s and into the early '90s, the quartet's club cuts would anticipate > the arrival of techno and electronica. > > Wire mark three, which is at The Showbox on Tuesday (8 p.m.; $15/advance > at Fastixx), finds the four combining the distinct personalities of > their first and second incarnations, merging the punk with the funk. The > results have been spectacular, as evidenced by their first studio > endeavor in 11 years "Read and Burn." The new EP -- at six songs and > 17-minutes long -- is quite an exhilarating experience, one that ranks > among Wire's best work. Moreover, it proves the band still has something > to say. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:17:10 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire in the Stranger There's an interview with Colin in this one. http://www.thestranger.com/2002-09-05/music2.html FUTURE TENSE by Michael Alan Goldberg Wire w/Hot Hot Heat Tues Sept 10, Showbox, $15 adv, $20 dos. "We did the 'museum piece' last time," insists Colin Newman. "This ain't about the past." It would seemingly be easy for the Wire frontman and his bandmates to coast into the rock 'n' roll sunset based on their previous accomplishments. After all, it's been 25 years since their brilliant debut, Pink Flag--the first of many innovative albums that established the quartet as arguably the most forward-thinking of Brit-punk's founding fathers. But re-blazing the group's musical trail is simply not an option anymore. "We're a really bad band to be into if you go to a gig with your checklist," says Newman, who emphasizes that their current set list contains only new and forthcoming material. "The truth is that Wire, in a pinch, could only ever manage to limp through about 10 percent of their back catalogue, and only 50 percent of that with any conviction." Fortunately, they don't have to. Read & Burn 01, their corrosive new EP (and the first installment in a series of upcoming releases), reveals Wire to be hungry and fiercely relevant--hardly resembling a band of complacent elder statesmen. The band's heretofore heralded, tension-filled dynamics are ratcheted up to especially malevolent levels on the new offering. It's as if just prior to the opening salvo, all of the gnashing guitar riffs, low-end propulsions and grooves, and rigid beats are stretched to the snapping point, grasping tightly to each other before being unleashed in a crushing, hypnotic, and exhilarating assault. Newman's pungent snarls and fatalistic lyrics add another unsettling layer to the already forbidding atmosphere. The bracing "Comet" ominously warns of "a heaven- sent extinction event," while "I Don't Understand" taunts, "Face the facts/you're in a bad dream/your time is up." "We've actually tried for fairly simple and direct lyrics, and tried to radicalize what is expected of Wire," says Newman, who's taken a more cryptic approach on albums past. "Now is not the time for being over-clever. It's all about editing. You can reduce something to a point where the less words there are, the more meanings become possible." While Read & Burn 01 hints at an amazing and productive future, the band's impact on music history simply can't be ignored. It's not a stretch to say that Wire directly influenced many of the most celebrated pioneers of a multitude of genres over the past 25 years: the somber post-punk of Joy Division, the alienated goth of the Cure, the angular hardcore of Minor Threat, the experimental indie-rock of Sonic Youth, and the underground eclecticism of R.E.M., just to name a select few. "Their song off of 154 about the horse getting caught on a wire fence as seen from a train ["The Other Window"] provided, in the early '80s, something to aspire to lyrically," R.E.M.'s Michael Stipe told me. "And the mood of the music is chilling and beautiful, like a memory." Newman concurs. "We do seem to have inspired a lot of different artists. Some of whom you feel good about and some, well, we'll pass on that!" Despite their musical/historical importance, Newman and his compatriots-- guitarist Bruce Gilbert, bassist Graham Lewis, and drummer Robert Grey (a.k.a. Robert Gotobed)--have taken two lengthy hiatuses. The time off occurred not because of any major intraband turmoil, but rather as a result of each member's overriding interest in innumerable solo endeavors, which have collectively included ambient electronic projects, performance art, production work, independent record labels, ballet scores, and organic farming. But now they're on to the next phase of Wire, with 2000's obligatory reunion/retro- spective tour--the "museum piece" Newman alluded to earlier--out of the way. The new music is proof that the band's unique chemistry is perfectly intact, in defiance to all the time spent apart. "Wire connect as a band in a very peculiar way," Newman muses. "The whole relationship is about making each other laugh. Which may seem at odds with a band currently dishing out some of the rawest, hardest, and fastest third-millennium garage-rock/punk-noise/electro-dirt, or whatever you want to call it, but that's the way it is." Electro-dirt aside, the members of Wire are ultimately most excited about pushing forward on the long path they first set out upon in 1977. "These Read & Burns are intended to show a developing aesthetic," says Newman. "02 is a bit further along the road--in some ways more intense, in some ways less. More colors but no pastels as yet!" Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:52:43 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] The Appliance of science OK, I'll run this one up the flagpole again, and see if anyone salutes it - anyone know if the group Appliance (support for Wire in Brighton), are any use ? By the way Dan, it was Robert that drummed on Frank Tovey's stuff.... Enjoy the weekend ! Fergus _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:17:26 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] lost behavior encourages forgiveness...in every city? ~michael: i will be attending the wire shows in chicago, toronto, boston and new york and would be glad to meet any other list members. i'll probably be one of the few young people at the shows. ////////////////////////////////// See you there! Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:28:39 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: welcome >From: Miles Goosens >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Umm ... thanks for the welcome >Aren't you glad you asked? Actually, yes. We were told that the address change wouldn't effect us in any way at all. Wrong as usual, guys! ;) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:37:03 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Nico Simply put, Marble Index, Desertshore, and The End are 3 of the best albums ever recorded. The combination of John Cale and Nico . . . what can I even say? Their works are beyond words and above criticism. Oh ... umm ... in my humble opinion, of course. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:10:46 -0400 From: "Mrduul" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Appliance of science > OK, I'll run this one up the flagpole again, and see if anyone salutes it - > anyone know if the group Appliance (support for Wire in Brighton), are any > use ? - ---I love Appliance. Groovy, minimalistic, Mute - styled electronic Krautrock meets Stereolab meets, perhaps, Labradford. Nice beats. Their Time and Space ep is a classic of it's style. Check out the mp3 of "Personal Stereo." http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/audio/audioa.htm - --Frank ______________________ ))) DuuLMuSiK Compact Discs ((( prog - shoegaze - imports - krautrock psych - drone - dreampop - independents ______________________________________ "music to cool out with since 1995" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:14:05 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nico and Metro Notes - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > Simply put, Marble Index, Desertshore, and The End > are 3 of the best albums > ever recorded. Seconded and her farewell tour with harmoneum was marvelous to these ears as well And... Metro *does* take carding seriously. I had to go home to retrieve my ID one evening at the tender age of 38. Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:26:18 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: gigs In a message dated 9/6/02 3:57:04 AM, alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk writes: << > + bow gamelan ensemble on an island in the thames >> they played inside the anchorage of the brooklyn bridge here. very interesting, and nice folks. they sold off the sculptures/instruments/props the day after the gigs. my friend and i bought two of the three "music stands" and i had mine out in my garden up until i moved 3 yrs ago. i left it for the new owners :o/ last i heard, p.d. burwell was not doing too well. anyone know what he's up to these days? test dept here was also fantastic, very memorable, but held at the ritz nightclub (circa beating the retreat)...so the space was nothing unusual at all, but the pale bald guys drumming and buzzsawing their way through the performance were incredible. years later i'm reminded of them by the borg on star trek. test dept worked like a collective, a finely honed machine. saw virgin prunes in 1983. need i say more? circle x were always great, and always brought something unexpected. the best (most bizarre) gig was at the pyramid club. tony was wheeled up to the stage, entering from the rear of the audience, in a tank full of water. he climbed onto the stage and was electrocuted a few times before drying off enough to continue the show! early neubauten performances were surprising as well, but eventhough blixa had his molotov cocktail ready (i saw them on their first visit to nyc, but the second night) the danceteria staff had their fire extinguishers drawn just as fast. - -paul c.d. n.p. reliable sound products-uh-oh, machine welcome back, d mack :o) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #299 *******************************