From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #295 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, September 4 2002 Volume 05 : Number 295 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] prog rock, et al [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: News & Updates September 2002 [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: A Certain Ratio [Harold Grey ] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: News & Updates September 2002 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: News & Updates September 2002 [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] let's try again......... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Reply to Mark(again fuck it..) [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Crispy Ambulance ["Mrduul" ] Re: [idealcopy] Isn't Anything ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: A Certain Ratio ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: A Certain Ratio [rayographique ] Re: [idealcopy] Reply to Mark(again fuck it..) [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Am I first again? ["Keith Knight" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:57:31 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] prog rock, et al > >>(Beatles indeed-she loves ya yeah yeah yeah,very riveting-NOT)<< Ari, I'm surprised at you. I'd have thought you'd have understood the seismic significance of this record, given that you're old enough to remember it being released... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:00:33 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: News & Updates September 2002 In a message dated 9/3/02 4:41:57 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << And Robert's chance to see The Mission ; ) >> there's only two problems with that.... a) I do not know of a venue here in St. Louis that is called Berzerker's Studio!....maybe it is a venue that is about to open up... b) The Mission aren't a crappy enough 80's band for me to actually go see....unless of course they cut their hair like Howard Jones or Mike Score (wink and nudge yer way Mr. Hick)...seriously though...i have never liked the Mission (even in the 80's)... The Legenday Pink Dots (in all their lisping, dark, psychedelic, electronic splendor) are coming through my miserable city soon...maybe i'll check that out... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:04:09 -0700 From: Harold Grey Subject: [idealcopy] Re: A Certain Ratio i really like the "sextet" and "to each his own" albums. kind of like joy division with horns and some great bass lines. I thought I read somewhere that simon from acr filled in for ian curtis at a joy division gig early in the band's career?? harold san jose, ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:32:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: News & Updates September 2002 > << And Robert's chance to see The Mission ; ) > > there's only two problems with that.... > > a) I do not know of a venue here in St. Louis that is called Berzerker's > Studio!....maybe it is a venue that is about to open up... maybe this is just Wayne Hussey's way of making the re-formed Mission look like a going concern. He publishes a list of pretend venues... IC readers may able to confirm whether there is a SEATTLE, WA CATWALK...though I'd be most interested in hearing whether the NEW ORLEANS, LA SHIM SHAM CLUB actually exists! It'd be great if they didn't! Wayne Hussey - you're not the messiah, you're a very naughty boy... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:31:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] prog rock, et al Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:40:00 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: News & Updates September 2002 >IC readers may able to confirm whether there is a SEATTLE, WA >CATWALK... Being a resident of Seattle, and an occasional patron, I can confirm there is a Catwalk club in Seattle. Used to be a fetish club before the police stopped the public whippings. (darn..) Now, just an alt/goth/industrial place. More info here: http://www.catwalkclub.net/ Cheers, Paul *********************************************************** Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms really live in peace with the marshmallow chips?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:42:01 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: A Certain Ratio > >>i really like the "sextet" and "to each his own" albums. kind of like > joy division with horns and some great bass lines. I thought I read > somewhere that simon from acr filled in for ian curtis at a joy > division gig early in the band's career??<< Simon Topping and Alan Hempsall from Crispy Ambulance both filled in for an unwell Ian C at the Bury Derby Hall in April 80 (a very late JD gig). The gig ended up as a complete riot. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:51:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] prog rock, et al/pt 2.35 Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:55:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] let's try again......... testin...... Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Reply to Mark(again fuck it..) Dunno why,but I typed a reply to Mark TWICE and each time I sent it the text DIDN'T APPEAR !???? anyway in response to Mark's"I'm suprised at you Ari don't you understand the significance of that"(yeah yeah yeah) for the 3rd pf. time Mark I do/did,but that was then,and this............. I was at a party last year and there were 5 or 6 hippy types sittin' on a couch with that air of superiority I detest,as I walked by they zero'd in on me and with that tone I hate said.."and don't YOU think that the music of OUR day and age was SO much better than todays? NO I said,why would I want to listen to 40 year old 'pop' music? They were stunned/speechless,they looked at each other as if to say Is that what we're doing??????? I then told them who/what I do listen to,they didn't know any of them,They had become their parents,yet I'm willing to wager that when they were young and hippies they were all going 'round sayin "MY PARENTS DON'T UNDERSTAND MY MUSIC" yeah yeah yeah,WHAT does that say of today? todays young musicians are,generally,more sophisticated and musically more mature than that. I beg you,all of you, don't let what had happened to them happen to you,embrace the new,respect the old,but don't let the old DOMINATE,move on,refresh,stay forever young,you get the idea.,,,,,,,,, I'll get me long hair and beard.Ari n.p Miles Davis:Olympia Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:39:38 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Reply to Mark(again fuck it..) Ari, >>yeah yeah yeah,WHAT does that say of today?<< I'd wager there were a million bands out there that dream of hitting a simple, universal truth one tenth as good as She loves you by the Beatles. Probably did more than any record to wrest control of popular music from the hack songwriters and into the hands of the young artist. And you know that can't be bad... >> todays young musicians > are,generally,more sophisticated and musically > more mature than that.<< I'm afraid that argument is the one that took 60s pop musicians and turned 'em into '70s proggers. The good stuff is the good stuff, no matter which decade or century it was made in! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:21:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Do any of you know.... ........what the pfuck is going on for when I 'reply' to a message.....the 'reply' comes out blank..................just replied to Marks latest missive.....you saw what happened.anyone? I'll get me chisel.Ari Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:28:34 -0400 From: "Mrduul" Subject: [idealcopy] Crispy Ambulance Crispy Ambulance were a great GREAT early Martin Hannitt echo Factory band. I actually liked their comeback album Scissorgun, which came out earlier this year. The Plateau Phase is legendary. Would love to hear that gig with Joy Division.....Hempsall's flat droney voice would've been a more suitable style for New Order, in contrast to Bernard's fey wishy washy croon. - -fd - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: A Certain Ratio > > >>i really like the "sextet" and "to each his own" albums. kind of like > > joy division with horns and some great bass lines. I thought I read > > somewhere that simon from acr filled in for ian curtis at a joy > > division gig early in the band's career??<< > > Simon Topping and Alan Hempsall from Crispy Ambulance both filled in for an > unwell Ian C at the Bury Derby Hall in April 80 (a very late JD gig). The gig > ended up as a complete riot. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:44:50 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Isn't Anything > Kevin Shields makes records > Who is Kevin Sheilds? How can one man get so excited over a typo? Hang on though, I thought you said everything I wrote was bullshit and you weren't going to play with me anymore? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 02:23:14 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A Certain Ratio I wrote (in hindsight somewhat harshly) > > >>ACR still clueless after all these years. They > > know not what they did!<< > Rayographique said: > granted that *I* don't particularly enjoy later ACR > (in the least) , i find the attitude that artists > should be forced to stick to uncommercial avenues > simply because *I* enjoy said proceeds to be > untennable unless *I* personally wish to renumerate > said artists as well as the other avenues do. I was referring to the stuff ACR did when they signed to A&M and after. I don't think they sold many more records during this period than they did in Factory days. It wasn't the commercial nature of the music that I didn't like. ( I like 'Force' which is pretty slick and commercial sounding). It was just weak music. The 'ACR:MCR' Lp wasn't too bad though. > > being that *I* don't have the means or motivation to > do so, *I* will limit my comments to listening > recommendations rather than what the artist *should* > be doing Fair enough. Maybe its because I don't really like Football, so instead I sometimes like to pontificate about what my favourite bands should be doing if I was their manager. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:46:50 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A Certain Ratio ah - but i would like give you more credit than than aspiring to be a manager (somewhere below used car salesman in my book - having had a small experience with said field - the only thing worse is a critic ;) > Fair enough. Maybe its because I don't really like > Football, so instead I > sometimes like to pontificate about what my > favourite bands should be doing > if I was their manager. Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:01:24 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] prog rock, et al > Gong were a pretty interesting group of > musicians - Didier Malherbe (possibly not a real name) It's a fairly common name in France. [mal = ill and herbes... go figure..... nothing but hippie witches!] I used to listen to Gong halfway the 70's, but some bands for me just became obsolete after punk. Same goes for Jethro Tull, Yes [especially Yes, as I was a big fan then!], Camel and Genesis. I'll always connect these bands with me reading Lord of the Rings when I was 12/13 or so. I must say nowadays I'd sooner listen to early [pre-teen for me] 70's stuff like Slade, Alice Cooper, Roxy or Suzi Quatro. But I believe we've covered a similar thread some time ago... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:14:53 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Reply to Mark(again fuck it..) > I beg you,all of you, don't let what had happened to them happen to > you,embrace the new,respect the old,but don't let the old DOMINATE,move > on,refresh,stay forever young,you get the idea.,,,,,,,,, I can't wait myself till that grumpy ol' gramps that's hiding inside of me will come to full blossom to terrorize the youth of tomorrow... ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:21:18 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: [idealcopy] Am I first again? NP Read & Burn 02 Just delivered by the postie 8.15 Wednesday morning. I'm going to have to turn Wogan off. mmmmmmm...The Smell of You. Handcrafted by Pinkflag.com AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:06:54 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Am I first again? Moi aussi. Fortunately (?) due to a pending trip to the dentist this morning I'm going to work late and am playing it right now. Consistent packaging with R&B 01- read background with blue (green? - difficult to tell with the colour contrast) lettering. A photo of something not obvious inside. And the smell of me. Read and Burn has Colin barking fairly unintelligibly over a dugga which segues straight into: Spent , an uptempo riff over which Colin forces himself to be heard. He seems to be repeating 'switch' a lot. It's the early winner for me - this will be great live, US tour goers! Trash/treasure brings the pace down for a while in a calm Wire way which I think will appeal to a lot of listers, although picks up at the end. A hit single in a better world. It mentions 'dentistry' at one point - spooky! Nice Streets Above has what sounds like treated Graham vocals barking something out (lyrics are largely unintelligible on this run through, although I'm not playing it on top quality equipment at present) over a swirling riff. Raft Ants has some manic drumming before Colin lets fly with what sounds like one liners ('watch out whistleblowers'?) 99.9, at seven and a half minutes, takes its time to kick off but boy does it when it does. 'The Road ahead is Uncertain' is a constant refrain. Overall, on a couple of very quick listens in less than ideal circumstances (the family would insist on making noises getting ready for school and the like), this is top quality stuff again, perhaps not as immediate as 01 but well in keeping with 01's tone. They still sound pretty annoyed. Bruce's work is tremendous throughout. My main complaint is the unintelligibility of the lyrics but I'm, sure I'd be able to unpick them better in different circs. Now off to Novacaine and, this evening, Ikara Colt! another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Lumbard To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:21 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Am I first again? > NP Read & Burn 02 > Just delivered by the postie 8.15 Wednesday morning. I'm going to have to > turn Wogan off. > mmmmmmm...The Smell of You. Handcrafted by Pinkflag.com > > AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:18:35 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] Reply to Mark(again ari thusly >>NO I said,why would I want to listen to 40 year old 'pop' music? two words...'mystery train' A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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