From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #294 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, September 3 2002 Volume 05 : Number 294 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] A Certain Ratio. [Norm Fasey ] [idealcopy] Was anyone else there that day? [Mark McQuitty ] [idealcopy] Purism ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Isn't Anything ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] The Argument ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Mr Marx's Table ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Like a Series of Shots ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] prog rock, et al [Tisbili@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Blurb [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Norwegian Music [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] prog rock, et al ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: A Certain Ratio [rayographique Subject: [idealcopy] A Certain Ratio. Hi Alex, Read your question about A Certain Ratio. They were on Factory Records and produced some great stuff in the early 80's. My particular favorite would have to be 'Shack Up' which has some very catchy rhythms and haunting trumpet riff. If you get to see the movie '24 Hour Party People' which is a dramatization of how Tony Wilson formed Factory Records and also the Hacienda Club in Manchester, you can see a portrayal of the band - although it doesn't show them in a very favorable light. It makes them look like a band who were out of sync with the rest of the music scene at the time. But hey!! Whats wrong with that??? :) I think they were great! Norm ===== - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d? s:+ a+ C++ UL++ P+ L+++ E W+ N+++ o-- K- w O- M V PS PE+++ Y PGP++ t+ 5 X++ R* tv+ b++ DI++ D+ G e++ h-- r+++ z* - ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:02:56 +0100 From: Mark McQuitty Subject: [idealcopy] Was anyone else there that day? Hi Howard, Eno at Sadlers Wells, I was there. Enjoyed it very much. It's the only time I've ever seen the man. Wish he'd do some more lectures / gigs / books. Although he does a lot of stuff, there aren't many opportunities to see him perform. (Not in UK anyway). I'm a bit of a fan. I'm afraid I pestered Kevin at the ICA gig with questions about his current Eno book project. (Sorry Kevin :)). Did you ever see the TV prog that Paul Morley did about Eno? It was superb. Very funny. He talked about his interest in pornography and the 'ammount of pink' involved. Unfortunately I've no recording of it. By the way, haven't you got those photos done yet :) Cheers, MarkM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:23:05 +0100 From: Mark McQuitty Subject: [idealcopy] OT Underworld From: "Tim" >>>Yessss! This is more like it! >>>Underworlds new single 'Two Months Off' is here! Agreed. Excellent stuff. I did like the last album though. The track 'Winjer' (?) contains the best sweetest bass drum track ever! Really like Karls vocal style. Repeating everyday phrases. From: Monochromatic Man >>>I've been listening to the new album for about three >>>weeks. I think it's the best one so far! So is this out already? If not, when? MarkM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 05:47:43 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Eno/Wire Photos >Did you ever see the TV prog that Paul Morley did about Eno? It was superb. >Very funny. He talked about his interest in pornography and the 'ammount of >pink' involved. Unfortunately I've no recording of it. Yes, it was good. Morley treads a fine line on the clever-clever bit sometimes, but then again as Eno says on the programme (I paraphrase) - When I hear the word pretentious I reach for my notebook as I know I am either going to be really stimulated or really annoyed. I think I've got it somewhere in my mouldy VHS collection - will be happy to lend if I can dig it out. I'm a bit slow about getting round to stuff at the moment though (work, house move imminent). Speaking of which, >By the way, haven't you got those photos done yet :) Yes, they came out OK, just a couple of them, of which one in particular captures the 'attitudes' of the group quite well. Craig has offered to put them up so I'll be getting them off to him as soon as I've found/been passed the Wireviews snailmail address in Iceland (hint). While typing that a thought occurred. Wire are a 'group', rarely a 'band'. Which for a band orginating in the new wave era, is unusual. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:48:08 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Underworld/Alan is a cowboy killer > From: "Tim" > >>>Yessss! This is more like it! > >>>Underworlds new single 'Two Months Off' is here! > Mark M > Agreed. Excellent stuff. I did like the last album though. Absolutely. Great 45! And I LOVED the last album... BTW Anyone heard the new McClusky single yet? Love the title. Alan Is A Cowboy Killer! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:49:21 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Was anyone else there that day? > He talked about his interest in pornography and the 'ammount of > pink' involved. > > By the way, haven't you got those photos done yet :) My kinda list this... ;-) > I'm a bit slow about getting round to stuff at the moment though > (work, house move imminent). Same here... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:12:40 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Brighton (will) Rock > No sleep till Brighton ! > So, who's coming ? My brother & co is... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:46:45 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Hillage In a message dated 03/09/2002 01:07:56 GMT Daylight Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > And of course they did a lot of work with Detroit techno pioneer Derrick > May....which you can now buy collected on a CD called Mysterious Traveller. > Its a belter! > I bought it myself 2 weeks ago & you're right Tim ! Chris NP ; Bruce Gilbert - Insiding ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:16:10 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Garbage Fighters (Pow! Pow! Pow!) In a message dated 9/2/02 4:39:39 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: << As for Foo Fighters, they aren't doing anything that Iron Maiden didn't already try with more wit, class, style and bigger dicks.>>>> so i guess you REALLY pay attention to such things ???? I see in The Wire magazine that next month Norwegian music will be hip, so I'm looking forward to boring you all with daily accounts of how I've been listening to some fantastic old A-Ha singles.>>>> or you could bore us with more accounts of listening to the ever lame Fugazi (or Black Flag).... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 02:17:13 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A Certain Ratio Mark wrote: > > Easier to find (and i think containing the very similar Peel version of CC) > > is a recent compilation called Early, on the SoulJazz label. As good a > > starting point as any. Its a fine LP and should be enough ACR to keep most people happy. Those who need more should buy all their Factory LPs if they can find them.... > > the band is still going BTW - they have never split up (though the current > > line-up is minus the two original members who left in the early 80s). I saw > > them a few months ago playing a superb set including a lot of 1980-81 > > material. What was the set list? I thought the gig you saw, the recent interest in their back-catalogue and the 24 Party People film might have re-energised ACR in the same way that the RFH gig seemed to re-ignite Wire. Alas it doesn't seem to be the case. I caught them at the G-Percussion festival in Manchester. . They started with 'Forced Laugh' which was really promising but they soon descended back into the same turgid groove they were peddling the last time I saw them in the mid 90s....sub 'M-People' drivel, with Denise Johnson singing with her foot on 'Lighthouse Family' cruise control... Can anyone think of another band who's current incarnation compares as poorly with their original version as ACR? Hermans Hermits maybe? Or The Stranglers? The Bay City Rollers? Only 'Si Firmo O Grido' saved the day, and if I'm not mistaken Peter Terrel appeared on stage to bang a cowbell.....but that was as 'Early' as they got that day. ACR still clueless after all these years. They know not what they did! . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:01:10 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Blurb Blah Blah Blah >>>You'd probably write a lot more if you had an editor hassling you to meet deadlines. I have had several editors. Only one has been capable of improving what I've written. >>>You'd probably write much more, and you'd probably write much better. Actually, it results in having to write much less. I also wouldn't write the same thing twice in consecutive sentences like you just did there. Everyone writes better if someone else does it for them. What is important is not what you write, but how many words. I need advice on writing from someone who can't spell 'shields' about as much as Fennesz needs remixing. >>>You certainly wouldn't have time to write e-mails It doesn't take long to write this crap. >>>slagging off my band who you have never heard. You are certainly a time waster, but I have heard yr 'band.' It was nearly as exciting as Dave Stewart! Although Dave certainly seems to have written a few more memorable tunes in his time. Writing emails is still writing. But you do have a point. From now on I'll just save everyone the tedium and assume EVERYTHING you write is complete and utter bullshit (especially the bits where you keep on trying to tell everyone what I might or might not like). Everyone else should do the same, although I suspect most already do... Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Anton Nikkila - White Nights www.nbresearchdigest.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:01:28 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Purism >>>This isn't the attitude that Bill (list purist) Hick espouses, In the interests of purism, 2 days after WIRE played the RFH, I returned there to hear a performance of Stockhausen's Gruppen (for three orchestras full of musicians, no doubt lazy egotists the lot of 'em!). Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine Withdrawal in Terminal Boredom Is not the same as Anarchy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:57:29 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Isn't Anything Poor Kevin, last week it was a terrible contract bereft of draconian deadlines that was causing him so many problems, this week he's taking a bashing from Dave Stewart's monstrous ego. But how could anyone not like Dave Stewart? He's given up so much time to communicate his ideas to the mainstream! He sold more than 500 records so he must be good! To not like him just adds up to music snobbery and purism of the first degree. >>>Oh allright then. Its much better that Kevin Sheilds just hangs around with Primal Scream and doesn't make records. Kevin Shields makes records Who is Kevin Sheilds? >>>I hope Wire stop all this nonsense Nonsense is better than No sense at all >>>of making records and playing live as well, its much better when they do nothing at all, apart from the occasional Erasure remix. Running a record label must seem like nothing at all to such a hard worker Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "You Never Know" (WIRE ~ Read & Burn) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:45:00 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] The Argument >>>If you were going to go about listening to Fugazi and the bands of that scene, where would you start? I'd go to a gig. With most HC bands I tend to go to see them play then buy the record if I enjoy the gig. I went to a Fugazi gig at Liverpool Planet X before I'd heard them. Here are Fugazi's UK tour dates http://www.southern.com/southern/tour/newtour.cgi?FUGAZ I started with the first record and went to gigs on every UK tour (in fact several gigs on the tour prior to In On The Killtaker) and first heard each album during the month of release. All albums are equally excllent, except perhaps Instrument which is mostly instrumental demos (this is the one to get last). It might be interesting to go in reverse, and get the latest album The Argument first. Rites of Spring album stands up much better than Minor Threat IMO, but most people seem to disagree. Haven't heard Happy Go Licky yet! Some other bands who made good albums on Dischord include: Soulside (later losing the singer and becoming Girls Against Boys) Shudder To Think (who went seriously off the boil soon after signing to Sony, but were an amazing band live) Dagnasty (who did the pop punk thing better than most, recently reformed) Circus Lupus (more anarchic and loose than the other bands) Jawbox (second album Novelty is a good dose of intelligent energetic melodic punk rock) I haven't really kept up with Dischord bands apart from Fugazi, but when Q and Not U and El Guapo come to town I'll certainly give 'em a shot. Unfortunately this scene has been ruined by people perspiring a bit too much and moving around whilst the bands are making noise. Sometimes people don't even drink beers whilst they jump about, which just spoils it for everyone else. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "I want out (x1000) I want a mutually assured destructive life Seizing separate culture To take me over Moving silent like radar Take me over and blow my mind Full disclosure Coming sponsored by no one Take me over and blow my mind Ejected" (Fugazi - Full Disclosure) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:01:42 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Mr Marx's Table Its a long long climb It's a long long time It's a bad bad sign You have crossed the line You have come a long way For such a short stay And I'm sad to say It's too late to pray It's too late to prey (Aliens on Board) Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:01:36 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Like a Series of Shots >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Foo > >Aha... anything known about Kurt's reaction to it then? >BTW, was it already called FF? > No idea what Cobain's reaction was, but it certainly would've had me reaching for the shotgun... Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "A Riot of my Oi!" (The Clash - White Riot) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:15:43 -0400 From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] prog rock, et al the Neil's came out of the woodwork and quoth: > Dissing Steve Hillage! Oh MAN, that's so 80's! and I kid because I love. Somewhere in the vinyl vaults lie "L" and "Live Harold." "For To Next / And Not Or" sounds like it should be on a Dome record. Plus, he did that nutty "Rainbow Dome Musick" spelling thing way before the Psikik Worriers opf Gaiah did, so he's got that going for him. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:47:51 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Blurb In a message dated 9/3/02 12:10:40 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: << From now on I'll just save everyone the tedium and assume EVERYTHING you write is complete and utter bullshit (especially the bits where you keep on trying to tell everyone what I might or might not like). >>>> oh, you mean like you do ?.....you attack anyone who doesn't have the same taste as you..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:57:02 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Norwegian Music In a message dated 9/2/02 4:39:39 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: << I see in The Wire magazine that next month Norwegian music will be hip,>>>>> speaking of Norwegian music...coincidentally, i had a Geir Jenssen weekend...i listened to the following: Geir Jenssen and Pete Namlook: Fires of Ork 1 & 2 (both from the FAX label) Biosphere - Microgravity....Patashnik...Seti project ep...Novelty Waves (all four from R&S/Apollo label)12".... Substrata 2...Cirque...(both from the Touch label..Substrata 2 being an expanded re-issue of the original Substrata album) Biosphere & HIA - Birmingham Frequencies....Polar Sequences (both from the Headphone label) inspired me to go and purchase Shenzhou sometime this week.... Jenssen's music paints a beautiful yet forboding picture of his homeland of Tromso Norway......i needed to be transported from the heat of my hometown this weekend and his music did the trick just fine.....if you are ever up for some chilly ambience from the North, check any of these releases out... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:27:36 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] prog rock, et al Ah well, as Mrduul has started in, I might as well continue. I found Hillage's guitar sound in Gong ('glissando guitar') to be really impressive live. I can picture him now, woolly hat, beard, eyes closed, doing his stuff. If you strip out Daevid Allen's flying teapot obsession (which even I will admit can be hard to take) Gong were a pretty interesting group of musicians - Didier Malherbe (possibly not a real name) on sax and the drummer whose name escapes me were particularly good. There's a great drone of theirs on the Glastonbury album de jours which goes on for a few minutes before the generator packed up - not dissimilar to the noise Hawkwind were making at the time if memory serves (which is meant as a compliment, people!). I heard Fish Rising a lot via a friend at the time and remember it fondly but it's two decades since I last heard it. Hillage *was* an easy target, even pre-punk (you just had to look at him), and his rebirth as a dance guru was one of modern music's odder stories. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mrduul To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 4:01 AM Subject: [idealcopy] prog rock, et al > Dissing Steve Hillage! Oh MAN, that's so 80's! > > Ever hear Rainbow Dome Music? Fish Rising? Legendary drone. Anyone who's > ever appreciated any of the Wire solo stuff or Ravi Shankar ragas would love > Hillage, except perhaps the overtly hippy lyrics and the occasional crummy > Beatles cover (how about Colin "doing" Blue Jay Way). Hillage got a bad rap > from the punks in the late 70's. But then again, so did the Beatles, Pink > Floyd and everything else that wasn't punk at the time. I'll never > understand how people who are dedicated music fans can't get past anything > labeled "prog rock." > > -fd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Knight" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] FSOL > > > > Ah, Steve Hillage, early Gong! > > > > On second thoughts you probably don't want me to start this thread... > > > > another the Keith > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > > > > The Isness raises the question: if you took seven years off to travel > the > > > world and find yourself, and you found out you were Steve Hillage, would > > you > > > come back? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:15:15 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Brighton (will) Rock I can vouch for that walk back from the seafront to the station - it's a bastard. I've arranged to crash at a friend's place. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Grant To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Brighton (will) Rock > At 21:45 02/09/02 -0400, Fergus wrote: > >This means Wire will come on about 10. Presumably they'll play for about an > >hour. Which means only half an hour in the bar afterwards, as the last train > >back to London is at 10 to 12 (the station is about 20 minutes walk away). > >Don't like the idea of having to rush off. > > A twenty minute walk? Man, I must be getting old or something. I'd be > very wary of that, especially if you plan to spend some time in the bar > before legging it. The Concorde II is on the seafront, east of the pier > and along towards the Marina...and, although Brighton's a small place, the > station is still quite a distance away in the centre of town (sorry, > City). Apart from anything else, it's also at the top of a considerable > hill. You might want to sort out a taxi in advance. > > As for B&Bs, I've no particular recommendations...but it's a Thursday night > in November, so I can't imagine you'll have too many problems. Somewhere > like http://tourism.brighton.co.uk/accommodation/ ought to turn up > something suitable. > > Cheers, > > ig. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:27:47 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A Certain Ratio >>Its a fine LP and should be enough ACR to keep most people happy. Those who need more should buy all their Factory LPs if they can find them....<< Though why it includes several tracks that could hardly be desrcribed as 'Early', while omitting 'Forced Laugh' is beyond me.... > > > What was the set list?<< Can't remember the exact list, but the first five or six songs were 80-81 vintage - started with Forced Laugh, and including Do the Du, Flight, And then again and Shack up. >>I thought the gig you saw, the recent interest in their back-catalogue and > the 24 Party People film might have re-energised ACR in the same way that > the RFH gig seemed to re-ignite Wire. > > Alas it doesn't seem to be the case. I caught them at the G-Percussion > festival in Manchester. > . They started with 'Forced Laugh' which was really promising but they soon > descended back into the same turgid groove they were peddling the last time > I saw them in the mid 90s....sub 'M-People' drivel, with Denise Johnson > singing with her foot on 'Lighthouse Family' cruise control...<< There was a bit of that at the London gig, but not so much as to spoil the evening. the magog was something of a career retrospective and that stuff is a big part of their history. > >>Can anyone think of another band who's current incarnation compares as > poorly with their original version as ACR? Hermans Hermits maybe? Or The > Stranglers? The Bay City Rollers?<< Very unfair. They're pretty much where they were once Topping & Terrel left, when they became more song-based with Jez on vocals (a good thing) but in a more commercial style (a bad thing)... > >>Only 'Si Firmo O Grido' saved the day, and if I'm not mistaken Peter > Terrel > appeared on stage to bang a cowbell.....but that was as 'Early' as they got > that day.<< > > Did an excellent Si Firmo as encore with Andy Connell (who I suspect wrote > it) on keyboards. >>ACR still clueless after all these years. They know not what they did!<< The fact that they a good part of their set was from their early period (and good versions too, esp. Flight) suggests that they are perfectly aware of what they did, but that they choose to pursue a commercial soul/funk direction. I'm still hoping they start to write new stuff that's closer to the early stuff, but I'm not sure they will.... They should look at what Crispy Ambulance have done - talking of which are any of the northern contingent going to the Band on the Wall on Oct 26? I'll be there... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:58:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] prog rock, et al Mrduul wrote: Dissing Steve Hillage! Oh MAN, that's so 80's! Ever hear Rainbow Dome Music? Fish Rising? Legendary drone. Anyone who's ever appreciated any of the Wire solo stuff or Ravi Shankar ragas would love Hillage, except perhaps the overtly hippy lyrics and the occasional crummy Beatles cover (how about Colin "doing" Blue Jay Way). Hillage got a bad rap from the punks in the late 70's. But then again, so did the Beatles, Pink Floyd and everything else that wasn't punk at the time. I'll never understand how people who are dedicated music fans can't get past anything labeled "prog rock." - -fd Basicaly because by the time Punk came along,'progressive' rock wasn't,it was more a matter of 'you liked the last lot so here's more of the same',and the likes of the moody pfucking blues were sending people to sleep,not making them sit up and listen.Thank the pfuck for Punk: Ari(Beatles indeed-she loves ya yeah yeah yeah,very riveting-NOT) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Knight" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] FSOL > Ah, Steve Hillage, early Gong! > > On second thoughts you probably don't want me to start this thread... > > another the Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > The Isness raises the question: if you took seven years off to travel the > > world and find yourself, and you found out you were Steve Hillage, would > you > > come back? Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A Certain Ratio > >>ACR still clueless after all these years. They > know not what they did!<< granted that *I* don't particularly enjoy later ACR (in the least) , i find the attitude that artists should be forced to stick to uncommercial avenues simply because *I* enjoy said proceeds to be untennable unless *I* personally wish to renumerate said artists as well as the other avenues do. being that *I* don't have the means or motivation to do so, *I* will limit my comments to listening recommendations rather than what the artist *should* be doing Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:02:59 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: News & Updates September 2002 news of NO Peel session cd. And Robert's chance to see The Mission ; ) > RED SUN RECORDS - CD TOP 10 > Our best selling items of AUGUST 2002: > > 01 - Adrian Borland - Harmony & Destruction T-SHIRT > 02 - The Chameleons - Live in Manchester DVD > 03 - The Opposition - Breaking The Silence > 04 - Adrian Borland - Book Of (Happy) Memories > 05 - The Church - Seance (remastered) > 06 - Adrian Borland - Harmony & Destruction > 07 - Adrian Borland - Beautiful Ammunition > 08 - The Church - Heyday (remastered) > 09 - The Church - Of Skins & Heart(remastered) > 10 - The Wake - Harmony & Singles > > New entries in our catalogue > ============================ > > THE NAMES "Swimming + Singles" CD > Full length 17 track reissue from the acclaimed Belgian group The Names. Likewise their appeal was equally removed, the bulk of their records selling on the strength of their association with the FACTORY label and producer Martin Hannett, rather than the excellent music they invariably contained. Yet the group deserved better, for the Names turned in a brand of sophisticated alt.rock far superior to that purveyed by the majority of their English peers. Between 1979 and 1982 The Names released a string of sublime singles, including Calcutta, the Astronaut and the classic Nightshift. Their sole album, Swimming, appeared in 1982 on Crepuscule, and like the preceding singles was produced by Martin Hannett. This CD combines the entire album with extra tracks including both sides of the Nightshift and Calcutta singles, plus the Astronaut and three tracks recorded for Crepuscule compilation albums. Full sleevenotes, memorabilia and original Benoit Hennebert artwork. The Factory-iss! > ued "Nightshift," a nocturnally glum tune that somehow manages to glisten in a manner similar to Joy Division's "Love Will Tear Us Apart," stands as one of the Names' standout moments, if not their absolute best. This album exhibits many of the fine qualities of early 80s avant-rock: icy brutalism, spectral reverb, tormented vocals, techno-tribal rumbles. > > THE BARDOTS "Sad Anne" CD > Reissue compilation of the Bardots' first singles and album recordings. Their first album - Eye Baby - back in 1992, was criminally under-exposed thanks to the untimely demise of their record company. The Bardots were invented in 1989 by Simon Dunford (guitar and vocals), Andy Murphy (guitar), Steve and Neil Cox (bass and drums), all of whom had played together in sundry bands at the University of East Anglia. The group, soon the toast of the local scene, played non-stop around London and East Anglia, and by 1990 had recorded Sofaelaine, a shared flexidisc put out by the promoters of the Norwich Wilde Club, followed by the Sad Anne/Summerhouse 12" that was the first vinyl release on Wilde Club Records. The band expanded to a five piece with the addition of second guitarist Krzysztof Fijalkowski (Adorable/Polak), and signed to Cheree Records. The 1992 debut single on Cheree was Pretty O, a Melody Maker single of the week, and in interviews and reviews the band began to be slo! > tted by the music press into the moment's fickle Next Big Thing, 'New Glam'. Shallow followed, indie charts, a Peel session, touring the UK, Belgium and Holland. Guitarist Andy Murphy left the band in '94, to be replaced by guitarist Yves Altana (Wonky Alice/Invincible/Sons Of God), who also produced their second album V-Neck. > > GENEVA "Weather Underground" CD > The Scottish 5 piece return (at last) with their second album. A slightly more diverse offering than 1997's debut FURTHER, the fine production (Howie B) and full on orchestration is still apparent and very welcome, but the music has a more diverse feel, especially the openly dark instrumental "Morricone" a brave selection of track for the album. The first four tracks give the album a fantastic opening and will give the new listener a very good idea of their sound, "If You Have To Go" in particular is a piece of beauty that many more established groups would love to have in their songbook and it would stand out there too. Debut LP Further won Geneva initial acclaim and four hits for its intoxicating spin on epic rock. Intermittent, gliding guitars are smothered by ambient overdubs, swirling and dense. Imagine My Bloody Valentine on sedatives. Their appeal always lay in the mesmerising detachment of the music, but they now seem to be seeking a new direction. When it comes to m! > odern Britpop, or what's left of it, Geneva is the real deal. Probably best known for their 1997 single "Into the Blue", the Scottish popsters have taken what worked the first time around on their debut album Further and improved on it. Geneva have definitely enough shimmer and swirl to appeal to most old-school shoegazers, and won't scare of the popsters. > > THE WAKE "Harmony + Singles" CD > Full length (72 minute) 15 track CD comprising hard to find material by this collectable Factory/Sarah signing from Scotland. The disc includes all eight tracks from the Harmony mini album from 1982 (including the outtake Chance, only previously released on the Factory Benelux pressing), as well as the first two singles on Scan 45 and Factory Benelux, plus the legendary John Peel session from July 1983. The CD has been carefully mastered from the original studio tapes, recently unearthed in the Factory Benelux store cupboard. Full sleevenotes plus 1983 interview in booklet, with faithful reproduction of the original artwork. The Wake's first album will come as a surprise to those more familiar with their poppier later work. Harmony is early-'80s Factory Records (Joy Division) post-punk gloom. Exception is the relatively cheerful "Favour," which marries the Ian Curtis worship to a bright and Byrdsy guitar part, and the closing "An Immaculate Conception," which ratchets up the! > tempo a bit and features some memorable playing from keyboardist Carolyn Allen. > > NEW ORDER "John Peel Sessions" CD > This release combines New Order's two "Peel Session" EP's into one disc, making it an easy purchase for people who want to own the whole song material emerging from these radio broadcasts. New Order's first John Peel session from 1981 now sounds like the withered electronic chill of a band in limbo between the gray-tinged gravitas of their forerunners, Joy Division, and the looser, rhythmic dance leanings of their gloriously inventive future. "Turn The Heater On" is a relaxing reggae tune, it completely differs from everything New Order have done. "We All Stand" is better here then on "PLC". "5-8-6" is also absolutely different from the other versions of the song. While vocally inferior to the album version, the heavy synths and other instrumental components are amazing and this track has by far the best replay value. Recommended for any well-versed New Order fan. Whether out of curiosity or a longing to go back to the old New Order and Joy Division days, this album should p! > rovide more than its money's worth of entertainment. > > THE CHAMELEONS "Live In Manchester" DVD > The first ever DVD to feature the creative intensity and charisma of one of Manchester's most talented bands, The Chameleons. The DVD features the band playing two gigs during their 1980's heyday. The first show is from Manchester's famous Hacienda club. The second show from Manchester's Gallery Club is a must have for any Chameleons fan. The footage was barely remembered by anyone concerned in its production - band included. Why is this so important? Simple, several of the tracks included in the set had hardly been played before or after, let alone recorded, and this footage is probably the only documentation of them. Brought together for the first time on DVD these two rare and important video performances stand as raw testimonies to one of Manchester's most under rated acts, playing to a hometown audience, at the peak of their career. > > MY FRIEND THE CHOCOLATE CAKE "Curious" CD > My Friend The Chocolate Cake have such a misleading name, and the album cover of "Curious" as well would lead you to believe this would be a very lighthearted and silly album. That is if you are someone who is not familiar with David Bridie or his previous project Not Drowning Waving. The music on here is so sorrowful, so emotive, so purely beautiful, mixing cello and violin with piano to give for an orchestral sound, and then mixing that with folk undertones and beats and then wrapping it all up in the disguise of pop music. It's really nice how Bridie mixes purely instrumental tracks in here between the more pop music tracks, it all blends together so nicely without becoming monotonous. My Friend The Chocolate Cake is truly Australia's best kept secret; why they haven't reached fame over on this side of the globe is beyond reason. This album is a perfect start for anyone not familiar with Chocolate Cake or David Bridie who is "Curious" about what they do. This is truly BEA! > UTIFUL! > > THE CHURCH "EMI Remastered Reissues " 4-CD's > The Church return with their first 4 classic albums repackaged, digitally remastered, bonus disc of B-sides & videoclips. Each in its own right is a timeless, grand & unique masterpiece in rock. On their debut, Of Skin and Heart, the Church play a straightforward pop/rock firmly rooted in new wave, though owing no small debt to '60s pop. Edgier and more direct than their later work, it also ranks among their finest for that very reason. Perhaps even better than their first, Blurred Crusade captures what for many remains the classic early Church sound, blending both the various strains of '60s inspiration and postpunk drive detected from the start with an even more elegant melancholy. Siance keeps at the understated guitar groove that the Church rapidly made its own, containing marvelous songs like "Disappear?" and the nicely paced "Electric Lash." Whether it was the assistance of Peter Walsh on production, a decision to bear down and see what could be done, or some further c! > ombination of that and other factors, the Church came up with its best release since The Blurred Crusade with the powerful Heyday. The Church's Sing-Songs/Remote Luxury/Persia comprises three classic EPs recorded in 1982 and 1984 released together on one CD for the first time. > > THE OCEAN BLUE "Davy Jones Locker" CD > More than ten years since 1989 when they first arrived to make their debut, the members of the Ocean Blue remained indie pop kings with a sweet musical demeanor. They were barely out of high school when they inked a deal with Sire and their fresh jangle pop came alive on their eponymous debut. Failed record contracts led the band to release only 1,000 pressings of its fifth album Davy Jones' Locker (1999) through its official web site, but things would soon begin looking up. Independent label March Records signed the band two years later, reissuing Davy Jones' Locker in spring 2001. Much more men than post-pubescent boys falling in love with the sounds of the Smiths, U2, and Echo & the Bunnymen, the members of the Ocean Blue cast a slight maturity on Davy Jones' Locker. The band's liking for jaunty '60s-inspired pop captures the record, and the pop quirkiness may not be fully defined this time around, but the Ocean Blue somehow stays the class act to which listeners were int! > roduced all those years ago. > > FATAL FLOWERS - "Definitive Collection" 2-CD > Excellent compilation of the Fatal Flowers 4 studio albums + demo's & sessions. The members of The Fatal Flowers (Richard Janssen -vocals/guitar, Geert de Groot - bass, Dirk Heuff - guitar, and Henk Jonkers - drums) originated from Amsterdam's late-70's punk scene. When the band formed in 1985, it became rapidly clear that, apart from its energy, their music had nothing to do with punk. Their guitar-oriented (Southern) rock'n'roll fit in with what was called "The Amsterdam School": strong guitar-based songs that draw on the music of the late 60's. After recording a well-received debut in London with producer Craig Leon (Blondie/The Ramones), The Fatal Flowers went on to work on "YOUNGER DAYS," which earned them their place on the Atlantic roster and Holland's most important music award, the Edison. At the same time, their reputation as a superlative live band kept growing, especially after their impressive performance at the Pinkpop Open Air Festival, where they shared the b! > ill with Iggy Pop, Echo & The Bunnymen, Lou Reed, Lone Justice, and others. For their follow-up to "YOUNGER DAYS," The Fatal Flowers have enlisted a guitar hero in his own right, guitarist/producer Mick Ronson, best-known for his landmark work with Lou Reed, Bowie, and lan Hunter/Mott The Hoople. Although not a "concept album," "JOHNNY D. IS BACK! AN ALBUM BY THE FATAL FLOWERS" follows the ups and downs of Johnny D., an imaginary aging rock star, as he faces the sad reality of his dying career and tarnished fame. As powerful lyrically as it is musically, this double album is the kind of record that keeps the rock'n'roll flame ablaze. > > THE OPPOSITION - NEW ALBUM 2002 > We are currently working on the new OPPOSITION album and it is scheduled for release in September/October 2002. The working title is "Mr & Mrs Jones" and it will be the first new album with new material of the band since 1995. The new recordings are completely finished and mastered. We are also working on reissues of the other albums by the band. Intimacy, Promises, Empire Days, Blue Alice Blue and War beings At Home and perhaps an album with B-Sides and Rarities and a live album. > > SAD LOVERS & GIANTS - NEW ALBUM (?) > The new album has been put on hold for the moment. The Voight-Kampff label and the officila band's website have completely disappeared from the internet. We haven't been able to contact any of the people around the band so there's very little we can do for the moment. The only thing we know is that the album is finished and is now 8 tracks (instead of 4) and so a proper album. The title will be "Melting In The Fullness Of Time". You can still pre-order your copy here at Red Sun and we will ship it to you when it arrives. We will NOT charge your creditcard until the album is in stock and ready to be shipped. > > > > THE CHAMELEONS - US CONCERTS > As part of The Chameleons' preparations for the US tour the band will play a warm up show at Rockworld, in central Manchester, Wednesday Sept 25th. > > SEPTEMBER > 28th Atlanta Echo Lounge - confirmed > 29th Atlanta - confirmed > > OCTOBER > 1st Washington DC The Black Cat - confirmed > 2nd New York - Knitting Factory - confirmed > 4th Brooklyn South Paw - confirmed > 5th Maxwell's New Jersey - confirmed > 6th Boston - tbc > 7th Montreal - tbc > 8th Montreal Spectrum - tbc > 9th Ottawa Zaphod Beeblebrox - tbc > 10th Toronto Phoenix - tbc > 12th Buffalo The Continental - tbc > 13th Detroit The Magic Stick - tbc > 14th Chicago The Metro - confirmed > 15th Seattle The Showbox - confirmed > 16th SF Great American Music Hall - confirmed > 18th Great American Music Hall - confirmed > 20th Santa Ana Galaxy - confirmed > 21st LA The Knitting Factory - confirmed > 22nd LA The Knitting Factory - confirmed > 23rd San Diego Canes - confirmed > > THE MISSION - US CONCERTS > SEPTEMBER 2002 > > 5th - DENVER, CO BLUEBIRD THEATER > 7th - SEATTLE, WA CATWALK > 9th - SAN FRANCISCO, CA THE POUND > 10th - WEST HOLLYWOOD, CA KEY CLUB > 11th - SAN DIEGO, CA CLUB XANTH > 12th - SANTA ANA, CA GALAXY THEATRE > 13th - VENTURA, CA VENTURA THEATRE > 14th - PHOENIX, AZ MASON JAR -TBA > 16th - EL PASO, TX CLUB 101 > 18th - SAN ANTONIO, TX SIN 13 > 20th - NEW ORLEANS, LA SHIM SHAM CLUB > 21st - ATLANTA, GA MASQUERADE0 > 23rd - KANSAS CITY, MO MADRID THEATER > 24th - ST LOUIS, MO BERZERKER STUDIO > 25th - COLUMBUS, OH SKULLY9S > 26th - WASHINGTON, D.C. NATIONS > 27th - NYC,NY TBA > 28th - PASSAIC, NJ CONNECTIONS > > THE CONVENT - CONCERTS > 13.09.2002 WORPSWEDE Music Hall, Germany > 14.09.2002 HAMBURG Schlachthof, Germany > 15.09.2002 G\STROW Gurruh, Germany > 16.09.2002 BERLIN Magnetclub, Germany > 18.09.2002 BREMEN Tower, Germany > 19.09.2002 BIELEFELD Forum, Germany > 20.09.2002 BOCHUM Zwischenfall, Germany > 21.09.2002 KVLN Underground, Germany > 28.09.2002 FLENSBURG Speicher, Germany > > ======================== > RED SUN RECORDS > Slotmakersstraat 3 > 8754 EL Makkum > The Netherlands ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #294 *******************************