From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #290 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, September 1 2002 Volume 05 : Number 290 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] OT - Shoot Ladders ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Slapheads...football-wise... ["Gary Owens" ] [idealcopy] Melt Banana in the USA! ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Fw: Listen To Sonic Youth Live at Bumbershoot in Seattle! ["B] [idealcopy] White Stripes ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] A Masterclass in Ironic Posing ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Bruce is Dancing in the Dark ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Prunes reissues ["Fergus Kelly" ] [OT] Eyes Adrift (was Re: [idealcopy] Re: Foo) ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] re pop group ["Mark Short" ] Re: [idealcopy] these records [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Its not Cricket! ["Tim" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:37:44 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Shoot Ladders MarkB reels back the years... >Liked the sports ones a lot - though soon graduated to Shoot, the first >"proper" magazine I had (my dad used to nick it and take it to work!). >Remember the 'league ladders'? Maintained faithfully for about three weeks, >then abandoned after Nottingham Forest or Hartlepool fell off and got >hoovered up by yer mum... ...aaaahhhhhh, memories...thanks for bringing that one back Mark... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:40:51 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Slapheads...football-wise... two words...Terry Darracott (aka Max Wall) ian.s.j. (Gwladys Street End, 70's...) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:44:45 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - but i wouldn't kick her out of bed... >Does this also mean that,(generally), listers think that Garbage are, >well... get my drift? >Glenn. ...a steaming pile of doggy-doo...? yes, i'm afraid... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:51:05 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Killed By Death re under-garments-over-tights situation... > >>Do women generally find this attractive in a man?<< i've always found that no undies at all usually works for me... ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:22:11 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] reissues ah - but all the pop group recordings have been reissued in the uk and japan at least once the japan reissues were remastered by nark stewert one odd note is that trap on the very odd 'we are time' (one of my all-time fave recordings) contains hitherto undisclosed *guitar solos* i have had this recording for a few years and still am not certain the solos should have been restored if i die... was reissued at least twice by virgin as well of course none of these are US releases, but i dont think they ever were and on the reissue tip - i understand sonoko has been recording again after a *brief* hiatus there are some rumblings of a reissue of 'la debutante' as well - --- John M Campbell wrote: > Speaking of reissues - can anyone tell me why noone > has reissued any of The > Pop Group material or the Virgin Prunes 'If I Die I > Die' or even The Fire > Engines stuff. Haysi fucking Fantaysi indeed! Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:51:58 +0100 From: "Gary Owens" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Slapheads...football-wise... - ----- Original Message ----- From: ian.s. jackson To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Slapheads...football-wise... > two words...Terry Darracott (aka Max Wall) > > ian.s.j. (Gwladys Street End, 70's...) From one Goodison legend to another... how could anyone forget their illustrious leader? Everton Manager, part-time undertaker and star of numerous Hammer films, Mr. Gordon Lee.... > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:57:35 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] reissues > >>Speaking of reissues - can anyone tell me why noone has reissued any of > The > Pop Group material or the Virgin Prunes 'If I Die I Die' or even The Fire > Engines stuff. Haysi fucking Fantaysi indeed!<< Pop Group's Y was reissued on CD by Radar circa 96, along with a compilation of singles and a few album tracks called We are all prostitutes. But ...Mass Murder and We are Time were only reissued on Japanese import CD. The Fire Engines' entire output was compiled on to CD a few years back - possibly a Creation offshoot? can't remember. That should still be around. Never seen VPs on CD. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:06:57 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Killed By Death > >>i've always found that no undies at all usually works for me... ;)<< But the chafing, the chafing.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:09:32 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] breakfast of champs > >>have i just been hipped to some new lingo? here in the usa we eat > breakfast cereal called shredded wheat, or mini wheats. when my wife and i > were in canada we ate shreddies. dear lord, please assure me i only ate the > northern north american version of shredded wheat and not something > horribly different.<< Erm, hip northern English playground slang ;-) We have the cereals too BTW... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:22:52 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Slapheads...football-wise... > >>From one Goodison legend to another... how could anyone forget their > illustrious leader? Everton Manager, part-time undertaker and star of > numerous Hammer films, Mr. > Gordon Lee....<< Now there's a thing. I was in the same class at school as his son Gary for a while. Lee snr was manager of PNE at the time. Then he got sacked or something! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:16:39 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Killed By Death In a message dated 8/30/02 7:50:44 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: << I have spotted some interesting looking albums, which judging by the artists wonderful hairdos, could be even more fantastic than even Howard Jones & Thompson Twins. They were in a charity shop, but even so I'm wondering if 25p is a bit too pricey for kajagoogoo, Nick Kershaw and Haysi Fanataysi albums? I know the money will help starving children get a photo opportunity, but even so, I hope someone can advise me before I splash out on such an adventurous bit of expenditure. but instead the gushing comic book fan-boy purchased the following: Modula Green - Shellground (FAX) Peter Benisch - Waiting For Snow (FAX) Daniel Pemberton - Bedroom (FAX) Jacob Druckman - Animus III (Nonesuch) Pierre Henry - Futuriste (Phillips) Coil - Stolen and Contaminated Songs (Threshold House) Kenneth Gaburo - Tape Play (pogus) Pauline Oliveros - Beautiful Soop (pogus) George Crumb - Black Angels (c.r.i.) John Cage & Lejaren Hiller - HPSCHRD (nonesuch) Anthony Manning - Concision (irdial) Anthony Manning - Islets in Pink Polypropelene (irdial) MLO - IO (rising high) Dominic Woosey - Straylight (recycle or die) Daniel Menche - Field of Skin James Bernard - Atmospherics (rising high) Oskar Sala - My Fascinating Instrument (FAX) Tom Dissevelt & Kid Baltan - Song of the Second Moon Pita - Seven Tons for Free (Mego) all this after selling ONE old Silver Surfer comic book that i already had three copies of !!! ..and the Silver Surfer doesn't even wear his underwear on the outside!....but i bet he may have listened to Nik Kershaw at one time or another...he seems the sappy type...... cheers sweetie! RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:23:14 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] back from vacation In a message dated 8/30/02 11:55:44 PM Central Daylight Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: << mr. x was the comic that got me back into comics as a young adult. >> it's a shame that they could never get that story on track and finish it....the Hernandez Bros. did a great job on it... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:25:13 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] FSOL In a message dated 8/31/02 1:31:31 AM Central Daylight Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: << > ~binned~ > fsol isness uh oh - that doesn't sound good... Does binned mean what I think it means? Thrown away, right? (Sorry - I don't mean to be annoying here - I'm one of the americans on the list, and I'm not very familiar with this term. (^_^) ) So, I'm guessing you didn't like their new CD? The reason I'm asking is that I was thinking about picking this one up. Cheers, Paul >> reviews have been mixed....i like it because they stepped out and did something different ..instead of retreading the same ol' FSOL ground....i could see how some of the vocals might annoy though... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:35:49 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] FSOL << Does binned mean what I think it means? Thrown away, right? So, I'm guessing you didn't like their new CD? The reason I'm asking is that I was thinking about picking this one up. >> I'm struggling to think of a worse record. I'm a fan, and was looking forward to this release, but it is simply awful. Maybe those factors are leading me to judge it more harshly than it deserves, but it's hard to believe these are the same guys responsible for ISDN and Dead Cities. ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| "Laugh while you can, monkey boy." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:37:34 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - but i wouldn't kick her out of bed... << >Does this also mean that,(generally), listers think that Garbage are, >well... get my drift? >Glenn. ...a steaming pile of doggy-doo... >> No, they aren't steaming. They don't have that much energy. ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| "Laugh while you can, monkey boy." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:18:00 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] An Unwelcome Call (are WIRE thick?) > Colin, at least, seems quite keen to ally WIRE to Liars and this 'Future > Rock'n'Roll' / Sonic Mook thing. Another hilarious quip from Mr Shit-Suit >>>Wire shouldn't need to ally with anything. They should be an ally in exile. WIRE+ have often allied themselves with other artists. Some of these include Silo Symptoms Band of Susans Big Black Matt Johnson Michael O'Shea Pan Sonic The Kings of Elgaland-Vargaland Cerith Wynn-Evans Russell Mills Russell Haswell Shinro Ohtake Minimal Compact Michael Clark Chris Watson John Duncan Claude Bessy Gez Varley etc etc Colin has often stressed that WIRE do not create in a vacuum. Even when Bruce stopped listening to other people's records, he was still taking inspiration from other art forms, soundtracking dance and short films. However maybe they should cut themselves off completely from other creative people so that they don't carry on making these fatal errors that have marred their glittery path to mainstream success. I'm sure it would help a lot if they could all get their hair done like Howard Jones as well! Or maybe they should consider cool Phil Oakey fringes like that hip swinger from Interpol! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "You're number one with a bullet That's money well spent Your mouth plastered like poster Address yourself success You can pinpoint your chimney And drop one down its length In your nice new outfit Sorry about the mess" (Fugazi - Nice New Outfit) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:22:43 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Undone Crawling I was always deeply upset that the Clash never followed up on the possibility of enrichment a Jimmy Pursey collaboration could have given to their eclectic muse, as hinted at all too briefly in that cinematic classic 'Rude Boy.' I always thought London Calling would be drastically improved if they'd done a Lurkers cover at the end of each side, with Jimmy singing of course, and finished the album with a secret hidden version of 'I'm a Jumper on the Wrong way with the label sticking up.' If only they had taken my advice they would be million dollar stars of the mainstream like Robbie, instead of playing second fiddle to Paul 'Mildsod' Weller. Or maybe they'd have just made 'Cut the Crap' a few years earlier... Also they should get Tim Westwood & Tim Robinson in to remix the Guns of Brixton to give it that modern bollocks sheen it deserves. About time they tried to flog it it to us One More Time (in the ghetto). Stop the World It's Armagideon Time! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "We are the Clash" (The Clash - We are the Clash) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:26:24 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Melt Banana in the USA! - ----- Original Message ----- From: MELT-BANANA To: MELT-BANANA Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:22 AM Subject: MB-02/09 > > ******************* > Hello, MELT-BANANA here. > In August, we went to Nagoya to play a show. It's been a long time since we > played a show there. We played with some DJs and a rapper (like DJ Baku, > LSDME, Irurime, Riow Arai, Tsurugi feat. Hibiken...). This was the first > time for us to play with these guys, so it was fun and we enjoyed a lot. > > * MELT-BANANA new album release will be delayed .... > We were thinking to put it out in the fall, but we need some more time to > finish it up and also US tour is coming up, so it will be out around the > beginning of 2003. > > In the fall, Split Ep with Big D and also MELT-BANANA 6' ep seem to be out. > check out! (those eps will be sold at shows on USA tour 2002.) > > ** MELT-BANANA　USA Tour Schedule is like following. > You can also check out at our official web-site, and we will update it when > we got news. > For this tour, Dave Witte from Burnt By the Sun is going to play the drums > for us. > And we have a few shows in Canada too. > > -MELT-BANANA UxSx tour 2002- > 1.Oct New York, NY - Knitting Factory (confirmed) > 2.Oct Boston, MA -TT The Bears (on hold) > 3.Oct Medford, MA -Tufts (confirmed) > 4.Oct Montreal, PQ -La Salla Rossa (confirmed) > 5.Oct Toronto, ONT -Tequila Lounge (confirmed) > 6.Oct Pittsburgh, PA -Manny (on hold) > 7.Oct Cleveland, OH -Grog Shop (confirmed) > 8.Oct Columbus, OH - Little Bros (on hold) > 9.Oct Detroit, MI - Magic Stick (on hold) > 10.Oct Chicago, IL -Abbey (confirmed) > 11.Oct Madison, WI - Uof W (confirmed) > 12.Oct Minneapolis, MN - Entry (on hold) > 14.Oct Kansas City, KS -El Torreon (confirmed) > 15.Oct Denver, CO -15th Street (confirmed) > 16.Oct Salt Lake City, UT -Kilby Court (on hold) > 18.Oct Seattle, WA -Graceland (confirmed) > 19.Oct Vancouver, BC -Pic Pub (on hold) > 20.Oct Portland, OR -Ash Street (confirmed) > 21.Oct Eugene, OR -WOW Hall (confirmed) > 22.Oct Reno, NV - (tba) > 23.Oct San Francisco, CA -Slims (confirmed) > 24.Oct Bakersfield, CA - (tba) > 25.Oct Los Angeles, CA -Troubadour (confirmed) > 26.Oct San Diego, CA -Casbah (on hold) > 27.Oct Tucson, AZ -Club Congreee (confirmed) > 28.Oct Phoenix, AZ -Hollywood Alley (on hold) > 29.Oct Albuquerque, NM -Launchpad (on hold) > 31.Oct Oklahoma City, OK -Green Door (confirmed) > 1.Nov Denton, TX -Rubber Gloves (confirmed) > 2.Nov Austin, TX - Emo's (on hold) > 3.Nov Houston, TX -Mary Janes (on hold) > 5.Nov New Orleans, LA -Shim Sham Club (confirmed) > 6.Nov Tallahassee, FL -Cow Haus/Beta Lounge ( on hold) > 7.Nov Orlando, FL -The Social (on hold) > 8.Nov Miami, FL - Revolver (confirmed) > 9.Nov Tampa, FL -Orpheum (on hold) > 11.Nov Atlanta, GA -Echo Lounge (confirmed) > 12.Nov Charleston, SC -Trey (on hold) > 13.Nov Columbia, SC -New Brookland Tavern (on hold) > 14.Nov Chapel Hill, NC -Go Lounge (on hold) > 15.Nov Richmond, VA -Alley Katz (on hold) > 16.Nov Baltimore, MD -Ottobar (on hold) > 18.Nov Philadelphia, PA - Sean (on hold) > 19.Nov New York, NY - (tba) > > *** MELT-BANANA live schedule in September: > 09/15 Koenji 20000V. (Tokyo. JAPAN) > annual show organized by Slight Slappers! > Something will happen on MB ..... maybe??? > > **** MELT-BANANA Official Web-Site: > http://www.parkcity.ne.jp/‾mltbanan/ > > > ******************************* > MELT-BANANA Official Web-Site: > http://www.parkcity.ne.jp/‾mltbanan/ > ******************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:26:46 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: Listen To Sonic Youth Live at Bumbershoot in Seattle! > Hey Sonic Youth Fans, > This Sunday, September 1st @ 4:45 PM PST, Tune into KEXP 90.3 FM, RealOne, > and www.kexp.org to Listen to Sonic Youth Live @ Bumbershoot in Seattle!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:23:38 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] White Stripes > >>did you know that the Whites Stripes are actually married??!! Yes. They both married me last week. http://www.rathergood.com/punk_kittens/ Jack is pregnant with paws and we have certificates to prove it! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:33:52 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] A Masterclass in Ironic Posing Mr Shit-Suit was bragging to a small corner of the netocracy that he has class. Once again he has proved Beyond a Shadow of a Doubt That he is truly A master of irony! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "And now it's nothing but reaction" (Fugazi - And The Same) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:39:51 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Strictly Hardcore >>>This, I believe, was the origin of what evolved into the (frankly quite scary) straight-edge scene, as created/glamourised by Minor Threat's song of the same name. Glamourised is an odd word to use... that song was the source of what became straight edge. Straight Edge is a typical example of sheep / herd mentality and a lot of Fugazi's modus operandi has seemed to go against that wherever possible. Ian Mackaye was always at pains to point out that he was espousing a personal view and not some dogma to be swallowed unquestioningly as happened with some people. The whole 'emo' thing came out of the way the macho element were spoiling gigs for everyone else with mindless violence. One amusing story is how Guy Picciotto would keep violent stage divers off the stage by hugging and kissing them all. >>>Of course, Ian MacKaye then went on to Rites of Spring (one of the first bands to be described as "emo" or "emocore"), and then Fugazi. Rites of Spring were supposedly the first band to be described as 'emocore' and as you'd expect they hated the term. Ian Mackaye was never in that band, but Guy Picciotto and Brendan Canty were. Ian Mackaye was in Embrace after Minor Threat, and just before Fugazi he recorded 6 tracks with Ministry under the name Pailhead. Also prior to Fugazi and after RoS, Brendan & Guy played in One Last Wish and Happy Go Licky. >>>Because once you've seen someone close to you attempt to drink themselves into an early grave[1] over a period of ten years or more, eventually you wake up and realise that a) it's not very fun, really, is it? b) given inherited traits, you're at substantial risk yourself Ian Mackaye had a relative with a big alcohol problem apparently. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP The Dirty Three - Whatever You Love You Are "Buy them up and shut them down Then repeat in every town Every town will be the same" (Fugazi - Five Corporations) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:28:58 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce is Dancing in the Dark Those words were from the Culturcide LP 'Tacky Souvenirs of Pre-Revolutionary America' (released around 1987) Basically Culturcide plays the Dancing in the Dark 7" and at opportune moments cuts in with guitar noise and alternate sarcastic lyrics. He also gives David Bowie, Beach Boys, the US BandAid, Huwie Lewis, Stevie Wonder & Paul macCartney & some forgotten Michael Jackson clone a bashing Perhaps not the perfect cure for too much 80s chartpap / boring mainstream FM radio corporate (s)hit stream force feeding, but at least a small step towards fighting back in cynical armour. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "There's something acting on this body Something goes in when nothing comes out" (Fugazi - Burning) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:15:38 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Strictly Hardcore On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 03:39:51PM +0100, Bill Hick wrote: > The whole 'emo' thing came out of the way the macho element were > spoiling gigs for everyone else with mindless violence. One amusing > story is how Guy Picciotto would keep violent stage divers off the > stage by hugging and kissing them all. That definitely gets points for style: not least because it's the act *most* calculated to wind up such people. I don't get the whole macho guitar-rock thing: loud music, for me, makes more sense when it's a reaction, a defence, not an attack - the sound of refusing to be defeated, rather than the sound of overt aggression. I suspect this says more about me than about the objective merits of the music, however. > > >>>Of course, Ian MacKaye then went on > to Rites of Spring (one of the first bands to be described as "emo" or > "emocore"), and then Fugazi. > > Rites of Spring were supposedly the first band to be described as 'emocore' > and as you'd expect they hated the term. Ian Mackaye was never in that band, > but Guy Picciotto and Brendan Canty were. Ian Mackaye was in Embrace after > Minor Threat, and just before Fugazi he recorded 6 tracks with Ministry under > the name Pailhead. > I thought I might have misremembered. Thanks for putting me right here. > Also prior to Fugazi and after RoS, Brendan & Guy played in One Last Wish and > Happy Go Licky. It does seem that the hardcore/emo scene is more prone than most to a proliferation of bands with closely-similar lineups (thinking also of the Gorilla Biscuits/CIV/Iceburn/Quicksand/Rival Schools family tree. In fact, I'm listening to Rival Schools at the moment: I know almost nothing about the hardcore scene, but as a straight-ahead emotional rock record I think "United by Fate" is one of the better albums I've heard in the last year or so. I'll freely admit I bought the album on the strength of the "Used for Glue" single.) If you were going to go about listening to Fugazi and the bands of that scene, where would you start? - - Andrew - -- adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:11:43 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Foo >From: Bart van Damme >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Foo > >Aha... anything known about Kurt's reaction to it then? >BTW, was it already called FF? > >Bart > > >> The first FF album was largely recorded while Kurt was >>alive, and would have >> come out as DG solo album in parallel to Nirvana had >>Kurt not topped >> himself. >> >> Mark While I can't answer this question (a bit of a surprise to me), I can note that Krist has a new band w/ 1 of the Meat Puppets--no idea how good they'll be, but almost certainly better than Sweet 75 ;). Michael Flaherty PS The drummer was in a well known band as well, but I can't remember which one, nor do I remember which "Brother Meat" he is, beyond that it's not the one the had the big drug problem. I'm quite the informed reporter aren't I? :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:21:18 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Prunes reissues John asked about The Prunes... All the Virgin Prunes back catalogue is being reissued next year on the Grey Area of Mute.... Fergus _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:08:26 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [OT] Eyes Adrift (was Re: [idealcopy] Re: Foo) > While I can't answer this question (a bit of a surprise to > me), I can note that Krist has a new band w/ 1 of the Meat > Puppets--no idea how good they'll be, but almost certainly > better than Sweet 75 ;). > Yes, they're called "Eyes Adrift". Entertainment Weekly has a blurb about them. > > PS The drummer was in a well known band as well, but I > can't remember which one, nor do I remember which "Brother > Meat" he is, beyond that it's not the one the had the big > drug problem. > Yeah - he's the drummer of Sublime, Bud Gaugh. Curt Kirkwood, the Meat Brother who played guitar and sang, is in Eyes Adrift as well. He wasn't the drug addict - his brother Cris, the bass player for the Meat Puppets, had/has the drug addiction. You should see the picture of Krist Novoselic - he's got a full beard. No wonder I haven't recognized him around Seattle lately. (^_^). The blurb includes a mini-review: "With its earnest folk and propulsive backdrops, Eyes echoes late Puppets. The lyrics, penned by Novoselic and Kirkwood, reflect their loss, confusion, and healing. 'I could cut myself, but nothing would come out / Cause the blood is frozen solid in my veins,' Kirkwood sings on 'Solid.' " It sounds promising anyway. According to the article, the eponymous CD will be out on spinART Sept. 24th. Cheers, Paul > I'm quite the informed reporter aren't I? :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:29:29 -0700 From: "John M Campbell" Subject: [idealcopy] re pop group I suppose I should have phrased it 're-reissue' The pop Group et all since they are none of them, to my knowledge, available except on the extortionate secondary market. Btw, anyone know what's happened to These Records (Home of This Heat music)? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:38:01 +0100 From: "Mark Short" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re pop group Well, they've got an ad in the September issue of Wire magazine, so I imagine they're still with us. Mark S > Btw, anyone know what's happened to These Records (Home of This Heat music)? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:03:36 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] these records > >>Btw, anyone know what's happened to These Records (Home of This Heat > music)?<< > > Nothing has happened to it. It's still where it's always been! > These Records 112 Brook Drive London SE11 4TQ England +44 207 587 5349 Fax: +44 207 582 5278 these@appleonline.net > On the This Heat front, the remastering of the first (eponymous) album has > been completed. But the two Charleses cannot agree about the cover. This > has delayed the rerelease. Gareth Williams' death didn't help either - he > was the referee in the ongoing Hayward vs Bullen perma-diosagreement. > Still, hould be back in print nefore long. the rest of the back catalogue > is all still available through These. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 04:25:57 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] Its not Cricket! Mr Shit-Anorak says: > > >>>Kevin Sheilds has such a contract with Island Records. > > Really? > Good luck to him! > Seems he's a bit cleverer than Mr Shit-Suit... Why? What is clever about being a really brilliant songwriter, guitarist and producer....and wasting your talent by producing piss-poor Primal Scream LPs....and not much else. > > How do you know what he's been doing? By reading this: (although they are currently building the fat androids) http://www.expectdelay.com/mbv/ > > His Mogwai remix was one of the best things he's done. Yeah it was great. > > I'm sure he'll realise eventually that his top priority should be to please > you rather than himself. mfffff! Oh allright then. Its much better that Kevin Sheilds just hangs around with Primal Scream and doesn't make records. I hope Wire stop all this nonsense of making records and playing live as well, its much better when they do nothing at all, apart from the occasional Erasure remix. > > >>>His talent has gone to waste because no-one is driving him. > > I thought it might be more because he was such a perfectionist and what he was > doing wasn't coming close to his idea of perfection? I'm sure he has a better > handle on what he's doing than you do, but maybe he should consider taking you > on as his personal adviser since you seem to know so much about the music > business now. No, I was simply saying I'd like to hear his music. A lot of great records may never have seen the light of day, without there being someone else to motivate the artists and convice them that what they were doing was great. Who Knows How much great stuff goes un-heard? Take someone like Dave Stewart. He has an ego the size of Jupiter and is convinced that everything he does is incredibly important and must be heard. He needs no coaxing and yet he has made some of the most revolting music imaginable. Alas, Kevin Sheilds doesn't have that kind of Ego. So we get too much Dave and Zero Kevin. Its a shame. >With one poxy 7" and a whirlwind tour of Leeds, England under yr > belt you must've seen it all. Wrong. We have never released a 7" single. Poxy or otherwise. We have released a 12" which sold out. It wasn't poxy. We have two tracks on compilation LPs. We have another track on a sampler through Virgin Records next month. We are signed to a record label in Paris and they will be releasing an EP for us in October. We don't tour. We don't want to tour. We play gigs if we are invited to do so. We get asked to play about 6 times a year which is more than enough. We're not Fugazi. As long as we play more often than Kraftwerk we're happy. > > > Ever considered that he might feel he's said what he needed to say and shut > up? Are you his spokesman? > Rock'n'pop was always about keeping to deadlines and following orders from > above wasn't it? Er....in a lot of cases it was. Many great records would not have been made were it not for some pressure. Simple fact. OK some bands may have broken up because of 'record company pressure'. More fool them for being so fucking wet. You'd probably write a lot more if you had an editor hassling you to meet deadlines. You'd probably write much more, and you'd probably write much better. You certainly wouldn't have time to write e-mails slagging off my band who you have never heard. Perhaps this cap touching attitude explains why yr band is so > mundane? If you want to call my band 'Mundane' having not heard any of our music thats fine. We argue with our record label all the time. But at the end of the day, we want to make records and they are the ones who spend the money releasing them! Its not rocket science. And since when were you an expert on the music industry? > > Mr Shit-Suit's outdated puritan work ethic stinks worse than his mouldy scotch > eggs. > > But of course Mr Shit-Suit was only joking wasn't he? > He's funny as a bank. Sometimes I'm joking. Sometimes I'm as funny as a wanker. When I say that Rythmn is a dancer. > > And could you please stop sending me offlist copies of yr IC bullshit, I don't > even need to read it once, let alone twice! Haha! I've sent this to you just to piss you off. > > NP Black Flag - The Process of Weeding Out NP - Kids Indestructible - Fennesz Remix But that wouldn't interest Bill because its probably too Mundane for him. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #290 *******************************