From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #288 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, August 30 2002 Volume 05 : Number 288 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] HO HO HO - BEST HACK YET -DEPT. ["DAVID HEALE" ] Re: [idealcopy] comics (was:Vauxhall-Fall... ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] Is Kevin Shields Thick? ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Killed By Death [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] more comic book death [Monochromatic Man ] [OT] Sweet 75 (was Re: [idealcopy] Foo Tour) [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] Killed By Death [rayographique ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:37:41 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: [idealcopy] HO HO HO - BEST HACK YET -DEPT. ----- Original Message ----- From: Angel LaCanfora To: fireparty@beefheart.com ; learninglove@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: [Fireparty] Yay! RIAA Web Site Defaced, Taken Offline Thu Aug 29, 1:31 PM ET Jay Lyman, www.NewsFactor.com After drawing the ire of the online file-swapping community and Internet users at large, the Recording Industry Association of America ( news - web sites) (RIAA) Web site was defaced and taken offline Wednesday. . Report: Future Bright for Online File-Sharing . Can Legal Digital Music Take Off? . Report: File Swapping Boosts Music Sales The defacement, described as "the funniest hack ever" on a forum site, resembled the normal RIAA site but featured such links as "Piracy can be beneficial to the music industry" and "Where can I find information on giant monkeys?" Fix in the Works While the RIAA would not acknowledge that its site had been hacked or defaced, the group, which has tried to prevent Napster ( news - web sites)-like online file sharing, admitted that its site was offline. "There's a problem with our site that we're fixing," an RIAA spokesperson told NewsFactor. "It should be back up shortly." The spokesperson would not comment on whether the association is a favorite target of hackers or is disliked by an array of Internet users. Defacement Cheered However, distaste for the RIAA and its legal offensive on Internet music file-sharing services was apparent in posts to forum site Fark.com, which generally cheered the defacement and jeered at the recording industry. Among posts at the online forum were: "Yeah! Stick it to the man!" and "That hack is like six levels deep. Someone put their time into this. Sweet." "There is a growing sentiment of ill will toward the RIAA, the Motion Picture Association of America and content owners in general," Yankee Group senior analyst Mike Goodman told NewsFactor. Goodman said that despite the RIAA's legal contentions that free online music trading violates copyright law and constitutes piracy, the majority of consumers resent content owners' efforts to clamp down on file sharing. "It's a bit more of a radical reaction," Goodman said of the defacement. "But it underlies a much more mainstream feeling that we're going to share our music online and you guys are infringing on that." Goodman pointed out that the general feeling among consumers is that file sharing is an inalienable right. Industry Cries Foul While studies, including a recent Yankee Group report, have indicated that free online music trading will flourish until legitimate, licensed sites offer the content, ownership and portability that consumers want, the RIAA continues to blame free online music trading for declining CD sales. Music CD sales declined 7 percent in the first half of this year, costing the industry more than US$280 million, the RIAA said this week. In addition, an RIAA-commissioned study indicated that increased music downloading from the Internet corresponds to reduced CD purchases. The RIAA, which has leveraged copyright law against peer-to-peer site Napster, among others, has warned that it might pursue individual users of free online file trading services. Technology Revolution Goodman said the RIAA must take the defacement seriously but can do little about it other than increase the site's security. He alluded to the explosion of free online music trading by saying, "Technology is causing a revolution in the way consumers consume content." He pointed out that content owners are trying to impede this revolution, but "it's not a particularly consumer-friendly approach." - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:35:34 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] football slapheads///// OH NO... OH NO the brit. contingent ICer's are starting to TALK FOOTBALL - again? ? HELP HELP David in Cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] football slapheads > > >> Alan Gilzean > > > > The John Cazales offootball...<< > > Some years ago I had to write a news story about Alan Gilzean. He worked for > a road haulage company and was up in court for fiddling his tachograph > records. > > Raised a wry smile... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 06:12:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: [idealcopy] OT - RIAA - BEST HACK YET -DEPT. > RIAA Web Site Defaced, Taken Offline > Thu Aug 29, 1:31 PM ET > Jay Lyman, www.NewsFactor.com > > After drawing the ire of the online file-swapping > community and Internet > users at large, the Recording Industry Association > of America ( news - web > sites) (RIAA) Web site was defaced and taken offline > Wednesday. I wish I could have seen this. I probably should visit the site more often. The RIAA complains about lost sales every few years. Who remembers the little skull and crossbones cassette tape on records about twenty years ago? Home copying isn't killing music, it's the crap the record companies insist upon releasing. Bad music for sheep. I have plenty of money to spend on music when I can find something I like. I could go on and on about this, but I won't. Have a great long weekend everyone! Cheers, Billy ===== /\/\/\ { . . } /\ -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] football slapheads///// OH NO... not only that but graeme and tim are still baiting one another in a manner which show neither of them in their best light death taxes and IC - --- DAVID HEALE wrote: > OH NO the brit. contingent ICer's are starting to > TALK FOOTBALL - again? ? > HELP HELP > David in Cornwall > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > > Cc: > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] football slapheads > > > > > >> Alan Gilzean > > > > > > The John Cazales offootball...<< > > > > Some years ago I had to write a news story about > Alan Gilzean. He worked > for > > a road haulage company and was up in court for > fiddling his tachograph > > records. > > > > Raised a wry smile... > > > > Mark Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:04:24 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] barbicant In a message dated 8/29/02 4:33:54 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << unless Robert saw them getting a bit fresh! so Robert? Keith >> no...not really...kinda...sorta... RL np - Charles Wuorinen - Time's Encomium ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:09:20 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce is Dancing in the Dark HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA!!!! nice one "Bill" thank you for making me laugh this early in the morning i hate Bruce Springsteen RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:12:31 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - RIAA - BEST HACK YET -DEPT. By the RIAA report's criteria, internet file-sharing should also be credited with lower interest rates slumping automotive sales. Unfortunately website defacements, however amusing, do little to diminish the RIAA's potential impact on privacy and personal property rights. The threat is real, and they are piggybacking on the "Patriot" act and the unfortunately drafted DMCA (thanks for that abortion can go the the RIAA) The industry in general sees a very real threat to its inefficient structure and the end to the gravy train funded by leeching off artists to a far greater extent than anyone with a fast internet connectiion could aspire. US citizenn should let their legislators know how they feel. And I, for one have more or less stopped buying new releases on major labels anyways. Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:37:18 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [euro]comics >> like the early Asterix, > > Absolutely. Anyone ever notice how incredibly well the humour translates, > (well, French, Dutch and English, at least). That is untill brilliant scriptwriter Goscinny died. He was even praised by the French intellectuals of his days. After his death [and shortly before] the Asterix albums never achieved the same level of genius. >> Tintin > > His sojourns to Africa were a bit dodgy, though. ;) Yeah, author Herge's politics were indeed a bit dubious in his early years, but his wit and draughtsmanship unsurpassed. > Then again, how about > Suske & Wiske, eh Bart ?!! Never was my thing strangly enough [though it must be the most popular comic in Holland]. And that's not because it's [very] Belgian Glenn! ;-) Belgians are responsable for so many high quality euro-comics such as Guust [Gaston in French] or absurdist Kamagurka. Brussels truely is Europe's comic capital! The only "fond" memory about Suske & Wiske was when I was 13/14 - at the beginning of each math-class I drew the Lambik character on the blackboard because our teacher was a bit of [understatement] a lookalike [the 3 hairs above each ear] and each time I immediately was expelled from class. Oh my gOD, it cost me two years this running joke! ;-) Still can't do maths... > Ever seen Little Nimo by Windsor McKay? (Anyone know what he was on?) > Awesome. Little Nemo is great art! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:49:04 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] comics (was:Vauxhall-Fall... I read a lot of Brit comics, although only Tiger & Jag from those below (probably a function of a few year's age difference). I really liked Smash and Pow which republished American comics thereby enabling me to fill in a few gaps. The Beano was a perennial favourite, for the Bash St Kids and the Three Bears, which were just surreal. TV21 was great as well. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury > > I know it's not as hip, but are there any other Brits who prefered our > comics? > > Tiger & Jag, Scorcher, Score 'n' Roar - and they're just the sports one. > > Martin's Marvellous Mini, Johnny Cougar (and his beatnik mate Splash > Gorton!), Billy's Boots, Lags XI, Skid Solo and, of course, Roy of the > Rovers. > > And what about the brothers who had separate stories - Jack of United > (crisp, clean image with sensible hair cut and shirt firmly tucked in, like > Bobby Charlton with hair!) and Jimmy of City (scruffy brother with straggly > hair and shirt hanging out. Definitely a cartoon George Best...) Half the > family supported City, half United. Eventually the publishers ran out of > ideas and had them both playing for the same team. Shame... > > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:58:36 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] comics (was:Vauxhall-Fall... - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Liked the sports ones a lot - though soon graduated to Shoot, the first > "proper" magazine I had (my dad used to nick it and take it to work!). > Remember the 'league ladders'? Maintained faithfully for about three weeks, > then abandoned after Nottingham Forest or Hartlepool fell off and got > hoovered up by yer mum... - ------ Oh, yes. I supported teams just because their colours looked nice (Stenhousemuir, Bournemouth). I was a Goal purchaser from the first issue and later graduated to Shoot and Inside Football (a weekly footie newspaper with loads of writing in it). > - ----------- > Of course the other thread of 60s comics were the war/adventure ones. WW2 was > still very much in the public consciousness at that time, and these comics > had thrived in the 50s. Fantastic names like Hotspur, Victor and Valiant. > Politically incorrect in extreme, especially Captain Hurricane, who always > gave Jerry a good biffing (sorry, Frank from Bavaria!). > > These led on to the Commando war stories - little book-sized 50-age comics > which had a language of their own. > > 'Eat lead, Fritz!' > "Donner und Blitzen!" > Rat-tat-tat-tat-tat!!!! > Aaaiiieeee!!!! > etc. > > Still going too, though I guess they're just endlessly reissued, probably > with added political rectitude. > > Many years later, when I worked for IPC (the publishers of these books) I > went to a union meeting which was addressed by a very old man with white hair > and a handlebar moustache, who announced himself as being from the "youth > magazines division", which raised a good laugh from the audience... Turned > out he was the guy who did the Comando books. Excellent! - ----------------- I really enjoyed Commando too, and I suspect some anti-German feeling in this country can be traced back to it and it's ilk. Not me of course, he said hastily - I present Faust, Can, Neu!, Kraftwerk and living in Hamburg for a while 20 years ago in evidence m'lud. another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:24:18 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce is Dancing in the Dark These lyrics are from a samizdat cover version about 10 years ago. I've still got it on tape somewhere - it uses the original as backing track and has someone intoning these lyrics over Bruce. It's wonderfully effective - you can't hear the original again without thinking about it. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce is Dancing in the Dark > Excellent. > So what's the release date? > > > I get up in the evening > > And I record a new LP > > I come home in the morning > > I go to bed and everyone loves me > > I ain't nothin' but tired > > Man I'm just tired and bored with myself > > But I'm a working class hero > > Its supposed to be something that I sell > > > > You can't move the product > > You can't move the product without a face > > > > This gun's for hire > > Even if we're just dancin' pointlessly > > > > Messages keep gettin' clearer > > A little sex is the cure for my despair > > I check my look in the mirror > > Maybe I just need a new product to wear > > Man I ain't gettin' nowhere > > Just tryin' to fit into a fantasy > > There's somethin' happenin' somewhere > > But its not on MTV > > > > Can't be the Boss > > Can't be the Boss > > Without a bureaucracy > > > > That guns for hire > > When its always pointing at me > > > > You sit around getting older > > Listening to Bruce's new LP > > You feel identification > > Even though you look past seventy > > > > And on the streets of this town > > Everybody's giving up the fight > > You're hungry for entertainment > > Gonna play the new Springsteen album tonight! > > > > I'm dying for a distraction > > I'm sick of sitting right here with my own mind > > I need a rock'n'roll hero > > To put my nervous system back in line > > > > You can't be rock star > > Can't be a star without a hit > > > > There's something happening somewhere > > But Bruce Springsteen isn't it > > > > Can't start a fire > > Not when yr hero says there's nothing to burn > > > > This gun's for hire > > Even if we're just dancin' in the dark > > > > *This has been a > > Tacky Souvenir of Pre-Revolutionary America ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:50:48 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more comic book death - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Watchmen (in fact anything by Alan Moore), > i like watchmen but not nearly as much as V FOR VENDETTA!!!!!! probably the > greatest comic of all time! - ----------- From Hell is the highpoint for me - a remarkable piece of art and research around a subject I wasn't interested in prior to the comic. Have you read Moore's novel 'Voice of the Fire'? - a series of stories set across 6,000 years in Northampton where Moore has always lived. A wonderful piece of work, creating a dark myth around a very ordinary town. Superbly written, especially the opening novella set in 4,000BC and only using about 400 words. - -------- Dark Knight 2 is out now - --------- Is it any good? I was thinking about waiting for the Graphic Novel collection. - ------------------- Yummy Fur > CHester Brown was great wasn't he! Yummy Fur was so damn bizarre! too bad he > started doing lame stuff after that (with the exception of Underwater, which > was also bizarre and left unfinished!) - ---------- Yeah, he was. If anyone's reading this who wants to get into a comic which is just severely weird, this is the one to search out. - --------- Neil Gaiman's Marvelman, Those books are great! John Tottleben's art was amazing and creepy...that series was left unfinished as well wasn't it? - ------------------ I think I recently read that Gaiman has got the rights back (hope I didn't dream this). The Warhol episode (narrated by a resurrected Andy in a London which has been taken over by a God - the comic superhero taken to the logical extreme ) was a tremendous homage. - ------------------- Love and Rockets. probably my favorite ongoing series EVER...those characters are so > REAL....and at the same time unreal.... - ---------- I went to a comics convention once that Los Bros Henandez were at and I queued up to meet them. When I got there I literally couldn't say anything other than Thanks - totally starstruck. Given that Love and Rockets was supposed to be *the* hip comic it would be interesting to know how many here has read it. My betting is very few unfortunately other than us and Mark. - ----------------------- > i'm off to the comic shop right now..new books are in today! - --------- Give me some pointers! another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:06:52 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more comic book death In a message dated 8/30/02 1:53:09 PM Central Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: << i'm off to the comic shop right now..new books are in today! --------- Give me some pointers! another the Keith >> Frank by Jim Woodring Black Hole by Charles Burns Acme Novelty Library by Chris Ware Eightball by Dan Clowes Palookaville by Seth Berlin by Jason Lutes Love & Rockets vol.2 by Hernandez Bros. Lenore by Roman Dirge Evil Eye by Richard Sala X-Statix by Peter Miligan and Mike Allred 100 % by Paul Pope THB by Paul Pope Mystic Funnies by Robert Crumb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:09:11 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more comic book death In a message dated 8/30/02 1:54:05 PM Central Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: << Neil Gaiman's Marvelman, Those books are great! John Tottleben's art was amazing and creepy...that series was left unfinished as well wasn't it? ------------------ I think I recently read that Gaiman has got the rights back (hope I didn't dream this). The Warhol episode (narrated by a resurrected Andy in a London which has been taken over by a God - the comic superhero taken to the logical extreme ) was a tremendous homage. >> which issue was that again? RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:20:38 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more comic book death In a message dated 8/30/02 1:53:09 PM Central Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: << From Hell is the highpoint for me - a remarkable piece of art and research around a subject I wasn't interested in prior to the comic.>>> oh yes..indeed...a great work...i still like V For Vendetta though Have you read Moore's novel 'Voice of the Fire'? - a series of stories set across 6,000 years in Northampton where Moore has always lived. A wonderful piece of work, creating a dark myth around a very ordinary town. Superbly written, especially the opening novella set in 4,000BC and only using about 400 words. >>>> i'll have to look for that..sounds interesting RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:18:11 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more great comic books anyone looking for something twisted and surreal and chock full of great references and things like Maya Dern films, When Rabbit Howls autobiography by Trudi Chase, Red Jack, dadaist art, psychedelia, nanotechnology, doomsday, paintings that swallow Paris, Mr. Nobody, Albert Hoffman's bicycle etc...do yourself a favor and find the back issues (or collected editions) of Grant Morrison's run of writing the Doom Patrol (Vertigo/DC)...VERY entertaining...i also learned about several books and films that i might not have investigated otherwise.... also...speaking of Vertigo, Shade the Changing Man by Peter Miligan is a great book....just as with the Doom Patrol, a writer comes along and dusts off an old character and puts a whole new spin on things...i see these back issues in cheap bins all the time! Cages by Dave McKean is also splendid.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:44:35 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Anorak Premier League sound like fun? ////////////////////// YES! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:01:41 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Old punks in need of a change >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >Subject: [idealcopy] barbicant >well , i tried. i rang the guy who's the Group Bookings Organiser (can this >be a full time job?) and investigated the possibility of an idealcopy massive >block booking. suspecting he might object to me just wanting a big pile of >cheap tickets i cunningly said that i was organising a charabanc trip for a >load of old punk rockers who are urgently in need of a change of scenery. he >didn't seem at all surprised by this and said there was plenty of >availability and i could have 15 or so no problem. >i then asked about the level of discount available on a #20 ticket. he said >if i bought 15 or even 20 i could have them for #20 each. i pointed out that >this was not a very impressive discount scheme. he said that some shows get >discounted but not this one. full booking fee of course applies. i asked why >they actually bother mentioning the possibility of group bookings and he >conceded that there wasn't much point really. The above 2 paragraphs have had me laughing for 5 minutes on a day when I really need it. I'm still chuckling a bit. Good thing everyone else has gone home here. Paul gets my vote for best sense of humor. :) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:02:25 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Foo Tour Bart, > >>I thought it was quite brave of him to start FF so soon after Cobain's > death. Also, FF musically is hardly competing with Nirvana imo.<< The first FF album was largely recorded while Kurt was alive, and would have come out as DG solo album in parallel to Nirvana had Kurt not topped himself. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:11:48 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more comic book death > --------- > Give me some pointers! > > another the Keith >> From: - ------------- > Frank by Jim Woodring > Black Hole by Charles Burns > Acme Novelty Library by Chris Ware > Eightball by Dan Clowes > Palookaville by Seth - --------------- yes, I know these. Eightball in particular is a classic. Could never get into Palookaville though. I tried Ware's 'Jimmy Corrigan' recently but it defeated me. Superbly realised but too much of a slog. - ----------------- > Berlin by Jason Lutes > Love & Rockets vol.2 by Hernandez Bros. - ------------------ Yup, I'm back with L&R. - -------------------- > Lenore by Roman Dirge > Evil Eye by Richard Sala > X-Statix by Peter Miligan and Mike Allred > 100 % by Paul Pope > THB by Paul Pope > Mystic Funnies by Robert Crumb > Thanks, don't know the rest (bar Crumb of course) so will keep a look out. Do you read Strangers in Paradise? There's some in the house but I've never read it. another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:04:55 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more great comic books Yeah, Morrison's Doom Patrol was great. My favourite was the teleporting, transvestite bit of road called Danny the Street (Brit readers should get the kernel of where this idea came from...). another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more great comic books > anyone looking for something twisted and surreal and chock full of great > references and things like Maya Dern films, When Rabbit Howls autobiography > by Trudi Chase, > Red Jack, dadaist art, psychedelia, nanotechnology, doomsday, paintings that > swallow Paris, Mr. Nobody, Albert Hoffman's bicycle etc...do yourself a favor > and find the back issues (or collected editions) of Grant Morrison's run of > writing the Doom Patrol (Vertigo/DC)...VERY entertaining...i also learned > about several books and films that i might not have investigated otherwise.... > > also...speaking of Vertigo, Shade the Changing Man by Peter Miligan is a > great book....just as with the Doom Patrol, a writer comes along and dusts > off an old character and puts a whole new spin on things...i see these back > issues in cheap bins all the time! > > Cages by Dave McKean is also splendid.... > > RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:01:43 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more comic book death Issue 19. (I had to go and look this up you understand - wouldn't want anyone thinking I retain this info). Mark Buckingham was artist by this time. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more comic book death > In a message dated 8/30/02 1:54:05 PM Central Daylight Time, > steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > > << Neil Gaiman's Marvelman, > > Those books are great! John Tottleben's art was amazing and creepy...that > series was left unfinished as well wasn't it? > ------------------ > I think I recently read that Gaiman has got the rights back (hope I > didn't dream this). The Warhol episode (narrated by a resurrected > Andy in a London which has been taken over by a God - the comic superhero > taken to the logical extreme ) was a tremendous homage. >> > > which issue was that again? > > RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:01:44 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Foo Tour i bought the first foos cd , has its moments but its a bit like home studio demos (which i think is about the size of it , dave playing everything). saw a really funny gig at wolverhampton on their first tour , they came onstage at 8.30 and played 45 mins , i saw about 4 songs which is 4 more than maybe half the audience (usual showtime is 10.00). not an impressed crowd..... now they seem to keep ploughing the same furrow really. i like the way he makes these really glossy big-money videos but still needs to intercut them with "authentic band footage" , like he can't decide which way to go. seems a nice guy though. on the nirvana tip , did anyone hear or buy the kris novoselic solo thing (sweet 75?). boy that sunk without trace , was it that bad? p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:07:01 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Foo Tour > >>on the nirvana tip , did anyone hear or buy the kris novoselic solo thing > (sweet 75?). boy that sunk without trace , was it that bad? p<< Saw a video of the band once. Semed pretty crappy. Girl singer, Kris(t) on bass. Plenty of copies in Stateside bragain bins, but never been tempted. Kazaa perhaps? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:12:00 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Foo Tour 
well out of 407M files on kazaa at present there are a grand total of 5 
tracks by sweet 75. sadly i'm downloading a pile of other stuff at present so 
kris and his friend (eva las vegas i seem to recall............) will just 
have to wait . p

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:43:17 +0100
From: "Bill Hick" 
Subject: [idealcopy] Killed By Death

>>>when i was a boy, i cried when Gwen Stacey, the love of Peter Parker's
(aka
Spider-man) life was killed by the Green Goblin...

As opposed to her death being killed by a red bull.

But I wonder if you can help?

I have spotted some interesting looking albums, which judging by the artists
wonderful hairdos, could be even more fantastic than even Howard Jones &
Thompson Twins. They were in a charity shop, but even so I'm wondering if
25p is a bit too pricey for kajagoogoo, Nick Kershaw and Haysi Fanataysi
albums? I know the money will help starving children get a photo
opportunity, but even so, I hope someone can advise me before I splash out
on such an adventurous bit of expenditure.

What prices do these wonderful artifacts fetch on ebay?
Am I sitting on a goldmine of collectible meorabilia  here?

BTW Why did Superman and Batman wear their underpants on the outside of
their tights?

Do women generally find this attractive in a man?

Cracked Machine
Highly Irregular Cyberzine
http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine

"Past fumes will burn us in our bedrooms"

    (Liars - We Live NE of Compton)

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:37:51 +0100
From: "Bill Hick" 
Subject: [idealcopy] Is Kevin Shields Thick?

> My contract would allow me unlimited funding to do whatever I liked with
no
> obligation to actually make any records or play any gigs. Everyone should
> have such a contract.

>>>No they shouldn't!!!!!!

Funny how Mr Shit-Suit can't tell when I'm joking, or at least not being
entirely serious. He has such a monoploy on humour, you'd think he'd be able
to tell. Ever heard the expression about the pot & the kettle?

>>>Kevin Sheilds has such a contract with Island Records.

Really?
Good luck to him!
Seems he's a bit cleverer than Mr Shit-Suit...

>>>He has done bugger all apart from a few remixes and playing gigs with
Primal Scream.

How do you know what he's been doing?

His Mogwai remix was one of the best things he's done.

I'm sure he'll realise eventually that his top priority should be to please
you rather than himself.

>>>His talent has gone to waste because no-one is driving him.

I thought it might be more because he was such a perfectionist and what he was
doing wasn't coming close to his idea of perfection? I'm sure he has a better
handle on what he's doing than you do, but maybe he should consider taking you
on as his personal adviser since you seem to know so much about the music
business now. With one poxy 7" and a whirlwind tour of Leeds, England under yr
belt you must've seen it all. maybe you should invite him to one of yr
exciting deadline gigs. I expect he'll realise how silly he's been to join
Primal Scream and hire you as his backing band right there on the spot, and
never miss an important rock deadline again!

Ever considered that he might feel he's said what he needed to say and shut
up?

>>>Are you thick?

It seems I must be almost as thick as Kevin Shields, but nowhere near as thick
as you.

>>>A lot of Musicians need deadlines, pressure, hassle

A lot of them don't.

Aren't these things that lead to many bands breaking up?

>>>otherwise they
don't make records because most of them are lazy, egotistical bastards

Speak for yrself, Mr Shit-Suit.

>>>who would rather sleep all day and do drugs all night than make records.

Nothing wrong with sleeping all day and doing drugs all night if that's what
they want to do. Corporate dollars would be much better spent on funding lots
of people to do that than bidding for another dopey Robbie Williams album.
Seems a much higher class of entertainment.

Some people will always just ignore deadlines anyway.

Rock'n'pop was always about keeping to deadlines and following orders from
above wasn't it? Perhaps this cap touching attitude explains why yr band is so
mundane?

Mr Shit-Suit's outdated puritan work ethic stinks worse than his mouldy scotch
eggs.

But of course Mr Shit-Suit was only joking wasn't he?
He's funny as a bank.

And could you please stop sending me offlist copies of yr IC bullshit, I don't
even need to read it once, let alone twice!

NP Black Flag - The Process of Weeding Out

"I'm going so damn fast now
 You're so slowed down"

    (Steel Pole Bath Tub - Soul Cannon)

Cracked Machine
Highly Irregular Cyberzine
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:59:14 EDT
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Killed By Death

>>BTW Why did Superman and Batman wear their underpants on the outside of
their tights?<<

Because they would have obviously looked ridiculous with their tights outside 
their shreddies.

>>Do women generally find this attractive in a man?<<

Ever seen a woman reading a Spiderman comic?

Mark ;-)

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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:29:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Monochromatic Man 
Subject: [idealcopy] more comic book death

What about Milk And Cheese?
Best damn comic ever!



- --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 8/30/02 1:53:09 PM Central
> Daylight Time, 
> steeleknight@lineone.net writes:
> 
> <<  i'm off to the comic shop right now..new books
> are in today!
>  ---------
>  
>      Give me some pointers!
>  
>      another the Keith >>
> 
> Frank by Jim Woodring
> Black Hole by Charles Burns
> Acme Novelty Library by Chris Ware
> Eightball by Dan Clowes
> Palookaville by Seth
> Berlin by Jason Lutes
> Love & Rockets vol.2 by Hernandez Bros.
> Lenore  by Roman Dirge
> Evil Eye by Richard Sala
> X-Statix by Peter Miligan and Mike Allred
> 100 % by Paul Pope
> THB by Paul Pope
> Mystic Funnies by Robert Crumb


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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:49:52 -0700
From: Paul Pietromonaco 
Subject: [OT] Sweet 75 (was Re: [idealcopy] Foo Tour)

>on the nirvana tip , did anyone hear or buy the kris novoselic solo
thing 
>(sweet 75?). boy that sunk without trace , was it that bad? p

Krist on guitar, Yva Las Vegas on vocals.

I have the CD.  I think I might have tried playing it once.  When the
lead singer started singing about her teeth, I hit eject and never
played it again. (^_^)

Krist met her singing at a party.  Apparently she was some sort of
street musician.  It sorta sounds like a street musician with Krist
Novoselic on guitar.

Someday, I'll play it again, but right now, I have other things to do.
(^_^)

There's an actual review of it here:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Aysjw7i31g77r

Cheers,
Paul

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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:08:34 -0700
From: Paul Pietromonaco 
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Foo Tour

>> >>I thought it was quite brave of him to start FF so soon after
Cobain's
>> death. Also, FF musically is hardly competing with Nirvana imo.<<
>
>The first FF album was largely recorded while Kurt was alive, and
would have 
>come out as  DG solo album in parallel to Nirvana had Kurt not topped 
>himself.
>

There's a very detailed description of this project on the Foo
Fighters' website:

http://www.foofighters.com/history/bio95.htm

"Around the summer of 1993, I had been talking to a fellow in Detroit
about possibly releasing some of my stuff on his small label. I wanted
to remain anonymous, but ultimately have something to send to friends
and stuff. Nirvana's upcoming tour put that stuff on the back burner,
but I was genuinely looking forward to pursuing it once the band had
some time off." 

But, this wasn't the first Foo Fighters' CD. 

"After Kurt's death, I was about as confused as I've ever been. To
continue almost seemed in vain. I was always going to be 'that guy from
Kurt Cobain's band' and I knew that. I wasn't even sure if I had the
desire to make music anymore. "



"I decided to do what I had always wanted to do since the first time
I'd recorded a song all by myself. I was going to book a week in a 24
track studio, choose the best stuff I'd ever written out of the 30-40
songs that had piled up, and really concentrate on them in a real
studio."

"So I booked time at the studio down the street and got my shit
together."

So, the songs from the first Foo Fighters CD are from the Nirvana
period, but the actual recording is post-Nirvana. (^_^)

Cheers,
Paul

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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:12:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: rayographique 
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Killed By Death

...Haysi Fanataysi

I thought every dismal band had been dis/cuss/ed on IC
but I was wrong

all of the afore-mentioned have *unfortunately* been
reissued as CDs while David Werner continues to
langour in obscurity

eBay values most likely don't exceed 25p by much 

speaking 80zWize - anyone want to make odds on the
longevity of nuElektro? 

how 'bout pretty-glitch

me - i think last years stina nordenstram kicks ass on
all the rest

np - andrew pekler - station to station

recommended - www.stasisfield.com
(look for the john ashkroft remix)
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