From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #285 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, August 28 2002 Volume 05 : Number 285 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] OT - Attention Fall fans... ["Andrew Lumbard" ] RE: [idealcopy] Read & Burn - Muzik [David Turnbull ] Re: [idealcopy] Liars go public ["John Roberts" ] [idealcopy] reclaimthemedia.org - Community Media Conference, Seattle 9-14 Sept 2002.htm ["DAVID HEALE" ] Re: [idealcopy] more comic book death ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs Brooce... ["Keith Astbury" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - Attention Fall fans... >> >>witnessed on the telly last night... >> new ad for the Vauxhall Corsa (i think...) backed by The Fall's 'Touch >> Sensitive'... You may be a bit quick off the mark for this site if it's only just out, but for those with a little time on their hands, might like to take a look at http://www.commercialbreaksandbeats.co.uk/index.asp for a pretty detailed index of ad music. AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:50:53 +0100 From: Nik Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read & Burn - Muzik In message <10f.1636ca08.2a9d77a3@aol.com>, MarkBursa@aol.com writes >Aw, leave him alone. > >He's fully aware of Irony. > >He uses Irony to get creasey out of shirty. > >Mark ;-) Yes, but does he do it in style? See www.extremeironing.com: "Carried out with dedication and creativity, extreme ironing can be just as physically demanding as the other sports popular among thrill- seekers." Ursula Sautter, Time magazine "For high-risk sports fans looking for their next big thrill in a world of post-laddish New Men, only one challenge remains - extreme ironing." David Fickling, Metro newspaper, London Nik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:58:51 +0100 From: David Turnbull Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Read & Burn - Muzik In Brussels there's a Museum of Ironing - Colin probably used to visit during his Belgian years > -----Original Message----- > From: Nik [SMTP:nik@trans-lingua.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:51 AM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read & Burn - Muzik > > In message <10f.1636ca08.2a9d77a3@aol.com>, MarkBursa@aol.com writes > >Aw, leave him alone. > > > >He's fully aware of Irony. > > > >He uses Irony to get creasey out of shirty. > > > >Mark ;-) > > Yes, but does he do it in style? See www.extremeironing.com: > > "Carried out with dedication and creativity, extreme ironing can be just > as physically demanding as the other sports popular among thrill- > seekers." Ursula Sautter, Time magazine > > "For high-risk sports fans looking for their next big thrill in a world > of post-laddish New Men, only one challenge remains - extreme ironing." > David Fickling, Metro newspaper, London > > Nik BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:05:46 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show >> I've been asking around my gig colleagues today and there are three in my >> party (with possibly one or two more to come) so this could be a >> real goer - >> at least eight so far? (me - three; Paul; Alistair x 2; Mark & Andrew >> (unless he pursues his student discount)). >> >> another the Keith Friday nights are a bit difficult in the Lumbard household, but I'll be up for one. Another the Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:26:44 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: time reflected like a whore >> At 11:13 PM 8/27/2002 +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: >> >> >Talk of 'grunge' here recently reminded me of a record I >> heard on Peel >> >circa >> >> >89-90. It was a grungy version of Gimme Shelter that I >> seem to recall JP >> >> >playing a few times. Great record. Any idea who it was by? >> >> Miles replied Nevertheless, you can perhaps definitively eliminate >> it at the >> following link: >> >> http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1236718590/pagename=/RP/ SHARE/soundclip.html/UPC=9031764762/disc=01/track=13/source=wmf I'd suggest, as I've just done it, type - gimme shelter cover versions - into Google and loose yourself. AndyL NP The Sebadoh - Flame ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:17:13 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: flannel > >>////i always like optimism in a man. but i fear realism will creep into > this one (mid morning on the first day of the first test maybe?) p<< >My concerns are that our bowling attack is not accurate enough to frustrate >the australians, and that we still aren't good enough at playing spin. But I >think we're a lot better than we were last summer. And the Waugh brothers >aren't getting any younger. Indeed; I believe both Evelyn and Alec have been dead these 20 years. Which might make them a bit butterfingered in the slips. Aren't most of the English team Australian now anyway? Howard np Cricket Bloody Cricket - Violinski ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:13:43 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Liars go public Think I've already mentioned it but I saw the Liars in Leicester recently. Imagine Shellac with Gibby Butthole singing. Nothing to get excited about unless you're too young to have heard the originals imo. If Blast First have still got the same publicist - Liz Naylor - it doesn't surprise me that they've got so much press. Liz used to do the promotion stuff for them in the early days for Sonic Youth etc and also worked for Wiija Records - Cornershop, Huggy Bear etc. In fact, I think she's responsible for getting them to change their name to Cornershop. These are very well connected people in the music industry. I mean Wiija is the Rough Trade Shop's label - who's not going to be nice to them? As the New Fast Automatic Daffodils once said 'It's not what you know it's who you know.' Cheers John >From: "Tim" >To: "Keith Astbury" , >CC: >Subject: [idealcopy] Liars go public >Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:21:20 +0100 > > > Do you think he'll let me off for liking The Liars ; ) > >Bill loves the Liars. He's bigged them up on this list extensively. > >Not sure if he'll be so keen now that they are becoming music press >darlings and racked up in HMV as alternative 'Pick of the Week'....They've >obviously got a good press and PR.....and that can only mean they want me, >"Mr Suit" to buy their records. > >Tish pish, don't they know I only buy records by bands that get reviewed in >Q? Oh hang on a second..... > >They'll be doing adverts for Vauxhall Corsa next. http://www.captive.co.uk/bocca/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:21:54 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spiderman Christ - blast from the past. I remember this incident well. Very upsetting for a ten year old. This was the original Norman Osbourne Green Goblin. He didn't kill her as such. He pushed her off the bridge and Spiderman tried to save her with his web but only succeeded in causing her neck to snap. Her clone arrived at his apartment door some years later having been created by one of the professors at his college whose alter ego I think was Carrion? How about that for an anorak? Cheers John >From: RLynn9@aol.com > >when i was a boy, i cried when Gwen Stacey, the love of Peter Parker's (aka >Spider-man) life was killed by the Green Goblin... > >RL http://www.captive.co.uk/bocca/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:52:52 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: [idealcopy] reclaimthemedia.org - Community Media Conference, Seattle 9-14 Sept 2002.htm reclaimthemedia.org - Community Media Conference, Seattle 9-14 Sept 2002 story index | search | archive | submit story | contact =20 =20 =20 Topics =20 =20 =20 Cable/Broadband (7) Clear Channel (20) FCC (12) General (30) LPFM (3) Mergers/Convergence (7) NAB (4) NPR/PBS (3) Participatory Networks (4) Webcasting (2) =20 =20 features =20 =20 =20 Calendar Intro to Broadband Intro to LPFM =20 =20 Story archive =20 =20 =20 August 2002 July 2002 June 2002 May 2002=20 =20 Archive =20 =20 =20 1. 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Her clone arrived at his apartment door some years later having been created by one of the professors at his college whose alter ego I think was Carrion? How about that for an anorak? Cheers John >> WHOA!!!! you ARE the man...i had forgotten about the clone and the carrion! your golden anorak is in the mail!!!!!!! Cheers True Believer! Excelsior! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:49:47 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] more comic book death I've never been a big X-Men fan but the conclusion to the Dark Phoenix saga was pretty sad as well....i couldn't believe they had Phoenix die....but of course in true Marvel style they brought her back years later...what a shame! they ruined a great story.... Captain Marvel (the Kree born Mar-vell..not the golden age hero)...i was more than a little sad when they had Mar-vell die of cancer (that manifested itself in a battle with Nitro and some chemicals)...There is nothing better than those old yarns written by Jim Starlin...right up there with some of the best sci-fi writing...the Dark Magus saga was great! speaking of Spiderman...aren't the original Vulture and Dr. Octopus dead? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:34:18 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] comics (was:Vauxhall-Fall... was a bit too young to see (or at least notice) that particular issue on the stands, i suppose (first comic i can distinctly remember owning & of course rereading again & again -- spiderman 29, "never step on a scorpion," with that great ditko art), but caught it in an lsh 80-page giant maybe 3 years later, circa '68, which is when i started reading comics in anything approaching earnest. god, did i love the 80-pagers -- superman, batman, jimmy olsen, lois lane, the flash, the whole lot, all at 25 cents per. have a few coverless examples still sacked away somewhere. (the later 100-page super spectaculars, or whatever they were called, somehow lacked their predecessors' charm.). found myself paying $14 or so for the bizarro-world one from '68 or so on ebay awhile back. dan >Hey, what about that Legion of Super Heroes issue when Ferro Lad died - got >me going at the time. Now what issue was that again? > >another the Keith >(trying to help Dan's anorak status) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: dan bailey >To: ideal copy >Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:45 PM >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vauxhall-Fall... > > >> whilst my own (potentially golden) anorak hangs unused in the closet >> because, other than phil dick, for completely inexplicable reasons no one >> the hell ever brings up my own fields of quasi-expertise, a la baseball, >the >> american basketball association, post-depression us history (esp. the >'60s), >> radical politics (esp. anarchism), left-wing terrorism, the paranormal >(esp. >> ufo's), '50s sf flicks (just saw "signs," btw -- hokily consummated, but >> otherwise quite nice -- might rank mothman prophecies slightly above it, >> though), '60s'/70s comic books, horror (esp. lovecraft), living in the >> (u.s.) south & ... uh ... quite a few other things that of course women >> find just *completely* irresistible. >> >> dan >> >> >> >> >> >>Oh my god, Mark's Golden Anorak status [you can get it out of the >> cupboard >> >> again Mark] is uncontested, even when it comes to cars now!<< >> > >> >> That's because Mark's job is writing about the car industry :-) >> >> However my anorak is indeed multi-faceted..... >> > >> >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:50:43 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] anorak in the us >In a message dated 8/27/02 9:49:28 AM Central Daylight Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > ><< whilst my own (potentially golden) anorak hangs unused in the closet > because, other than phil dick, for completely inexplicable reasons no one > the hell ever brings up my own fields of quasi-expertise,>>>> > >well let's see what you have here: > > a la baseball,>>>>> > >not much of a fan even though i live in St. Louis Cardinals land... oh, i've never been to a game in my life (closest is maybe 10 double-a games of the cards' affiliates in lr & one game by the "independent" team here in montgomery) & never watch it. am just caught up in the history of the game (a decased distant relative from one county over, travis jackson, made the hall of game in the mid-'80s, some 50 years after he retired as the ny giants' shortstop). also, i went to arizona state -- well, was occasionally on campus at the same time -- as barry bonds. >the > american basketball association,>>>>> > >didn't St. Louis used to have a team? weren't we the St. Louis Hawks and >didn't we become the Atlanta Hawks? indeed, but the aba team was the spirits of st louis, who existed from something like '74-'76, when the entire league collapsed (survivors san antonio, new york/jersy, indiana & denver joined the nba). they were pretty much the craziest team ever assembled ... the rock equivalent would be, i dunno ... the mothers of invention? > > post-depression us history (esp. the '60s),>>>> > >hmmmm..interesting.. > > radical politics (esp. anarchism), left-wing terrorism, the paranormal (esp. > ufo's),>>>>> > >alright! i have seen a ufo hovering in a field many years ago...snapped a >couple of pictures but they are blurry and not very good...it was also late >at night... i call myself a fascinated skeptic. picked up my first fateful copy of coral & jim lorenzen's ufo's: the whole story in probably '69, probably the summer before i turned 10, when the country was still coming off the great ufo flap of '66-'67. (just as fatefully, the listings in back included an intriguing description of pkd's when androids dream of electric sheep. & the last huge u.s. flap, of '73, *really* cemented my interest in sf, somehow. & somehow along the way, vincent gaddis' invisible horizons & john keel's our haunted planet became 2 of the most influential nonfiction books of my childhood. > > '50s sf flicks (just saw "signs," btw -- hokily consummated, but > otherwise quite nice -- might rank mothman prophecies slightly above it, > though),>>>>>> > >ah ha! i am an avid collector myself! i am currently working on piecing >together my Outer Limits collection...just picked up Invasion of the Body >Snatchers and Monster of Piedras Blancas the other day! could go on for ages on such flicks -- all-time faves include them!, body snatchers, earth vs the flying saucers, day the earth stood still & at least one out-of-left-field candidate -- the monolith monsters. am *still* trying to track down the original not of this earth, though. > '60s'/70s comic books,>>>>>> > >aren't they the best!?...i have a huge collection myself..mostly Marvel, EC >and independents....(i have an actual page of original art from a Thor comic >that was drawn by none other than Jack Kirby (r.i.p.) !!) and a few pre-code >horror titles horror sold my collection of 3,000 or so (going back to *sob* x-men #2, spider-man #14 & the first few new-era x-men) for a paltry $300 or thereabouts in '81 to help finance my move to arizona to go to grad school, along with my collection of 24 or so arkham house hardbacks, just so i could move my thousands of books out to phoenix & wind up leaving them out there (not much you can pack into a '73 corolla & '81 renault le car [french for "piece of shit") & losing them after my divorce subsequent to my return to sw arkansas in '85. *siiiiiiigh* only comics i made a point of retaining (& occasionally augmenting when i find myself in a comics store) were my top faves from childhood, sgt fury, capt savage & not brand ecch. went cold turkey from the art form when the price went up (iirc) 40 cents in '79, during my sophomore year in college. dan > (esp. lovecraft),>>>>> > >i've been reading a lot of Lovecraft lately...just finished Ubik by >Dick... & what did you think/ > reading a couple of Alvin Toffler books as well... haven't read him. > living in the > (u.s.) south>>>> > >don't know much about that...i live in the midwest...i do have relatives in >Corning, Arkansas... would have to consult a map to discern just where that is. was pretty much confined to the corner where louisiana & texas meet, plus as an adult lr. only set foot in fayetteville, home of the university of ark, for the first time last oct or so. lr would be the farthest north i've ever lived, after growing up in extreme sw ark & living in phoenix, outside new orleans & now in montgomery. have spent maybe 10 days of my life north of the mason-dixon line. dan > >& ... uh ... quite a few other things that of course women > find just *completely* irresistible.>>>>> > >hahahhaha....i actually met a woman who loved all of these things and her >work took her elsewhere...damn.... > >RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:05:24 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] comics (was:Vauxhall-Fall... In a message dated 8/28/02 9:35:08 AM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << was a bit too young to see (or at least notice) that particular issue on the stands, i suppose (first comic i can distinctly remember owning & of course rereading again & again -- spiderman 29, "never step on a scorpion," with that great ditko art), but caught it in an lsh 80-page giant maybe 3 years later, circa '68, which is when i started reading comics in anything approaching earnest. >> Ditko is one weird dude! but that's what's so endearing about him...Only a weirdo could possibly imagine (and then render) those completely surreal other-worldly dimension in the Dr. Strange comics....and his Spiderman was the Spiderman that all Spiderman comics should be judged by... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:13:00 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: time reflected like a whore > >> It was a grungy version of Gimme Shelter that I > >> seem to recall JP playing a few times. Great record. Any idea who it was by? > >> >> > >> > >> http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1236718590/pagename=/RP/ > SHARE/soundclip.html/UPC=9031764762/disc=01/track=13/source=wmf > > I'd suggest, as I've just done it, type - gimme shelter cover versions - > into Google and loose yourself. I tried one last night. Without any definite results unfortunately... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:19:27 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Liars go public > Think I've already mentioned it but I saw the Liars in Leicester recently. > Imagine Shellac with Gibby Butthole singing. Nothing to get excited about > unless you're too young to have heard the originals imo. If only the 'too young' bit were true ; ) I liked them live. Liked their energy, edginess, abrasiveness... Not convinced the album works quite so well, though there's a couple of tracks I like a lot. I'm quietly impressed with the half hour dirge at the end though! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:45:31 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs Brooce... Sandinista Abridged: Single Album: Magnificent Seven Hitsville UK Junco Partner The Leader Look Here Somebody Got Murdered One More Time One More Dub Police On My Back The Call Up For Double Album add: Ivan Meets GI Joe Up In Heaven If Music Could Talk SOund of Sinners Charlie Don't Surf Version City Living In Fame Silicone On Sapphire Version Pardner Shepherds Delight Obviously the tracks added to make it a double would make a pretty avg album in their own right. The tracks that didn't make it onto either disc would make an even poorer one. Doc Octopus. Is he still dating Aunt May? It's been a long time since I read Spiderman but I suspect that he might be. Cheers John >From: MarkBursa@aol.com >To: bartvandamme@home.nl >CC: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs Brooce... >Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:06:10 EDT > > > >> Yes, London Calling has a few duff tracks on it > > Wich ones do you mean? Kinda like it all the way through myself.<< > > >The duff ones are the ones where they're trying to surf different and >unfamiliar stylistic waves - ska, jazz, spector's wall of sound etc. The >good >ones are where they try to be the Clash (or play reggae, which works, >against >the odds...). > >So, with judicious addition of relevant b-side, edit it down to... > >London calling >Brand new cadillac >Hateful >Spanish bombs >Guns of Brixton >Lost in the supermarket > >Clampdown >I'm not down >Death or glory >Armagideon time >Train in vain > >Mark (don't ask me to do Sandanista!!!) http://www.captive.co.uk/bocca/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:55:21 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Aunt May and Dr. Octopus In a message dated 8/28/02 1:46:37 PM Central Daylight Time, johnroberts_stats@hotmail.com writes: << Doc Octopus. Is he still dating Aunt May? >>>> no he's not dating aunt may anymore....i think aunt may and doc ock both died and were resurrected....i have been reading the amazing spiderman comic again (i don't care for the other spidey books) and peter parker told his aunt may his secret! she knows that he is spiderman now! after all these years! peter and mary jane are separated....doc ock is back in the latest issues as well... Robert Cheers John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:52:09 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Liars go public I bought the album last week with high hopes but it hasn't made that much of an impact, although I think I need to play it louder. The last track is just silly IMHO. Great titles though. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: John Roberts ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Liars go public > > Think I've already mentioned it but I saw the Liars in Leicester recently. > > Imagine Shellac with Gibby Butthole singing. Nothing to get excited about > > unless you're too young to have heard the originals imo. > > If only the 'too young' bit were true ; ) > > I liked them live. Liked their energy, edginess, abrasiveness... > > Not convinced the album works quite so well, though there's a couple of > tracks I like a lot. I'm quietly impressed with the half hour dirge at the > end though! > > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:09:10 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: flannel Howard, I don't believe you *really* were playing Violinski. *Were* you? another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Spencer To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Re: flannel > > >>////i always like optimism in a man. but i fear realism will creep into > > this one (mid morning on the first day of the first test maybe?) p<< > > >My concerns are that our bowling attack is not accurate enough to frustrate > >the australians, and that we still aren't good enough at playing spin. But I > >think we're a lot better than we were last summer. And the Waugh brothers > >aren't getting any younger. > > Indeed; I believe both Evelyn and Alec have been dead these 20 years. > Which might make them a bit butterfingered in the slips. > > Aren't most of the English team Australian now anyway? > > Howard > > np Cricket Bloody Cricket - Violinski ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:05:20 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more comic book death Yeah, the Dark Phoenix saga was great and got me back into reading comics after years away (late teenage years natch when it just wasn't hip to carry on) - which set me up nicely for the great mid-80s renaissance onwards: 2000 AD, Watchmen (in fact anything by Alan Moore), Dark Knight, Yummy Fur, Neil Gaiman's Marvelman, Love and Rockets. Comics really were the most pleasing artform of the lot for a few years there. I'm very semi-detached from the scene now but there doesn't really seem to be a lot going on from what I can see - even the indie sector seems moribund. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 2:49 PM Subject: [idealcopy] more comic book death > I've never been a big X-Men fan but the conclusion to the Dark Phoenix saga > was pretty sad as well....i couldn't believe they had Phoenix die....but of > course in true Marvel style they brought her back years later...what a shame! > they ruined a great story.... > > Captain Marvel (the Kree born Mar-vell..not the golden age hero)...i was more > than a little sad when they had Mar-vell die of cancer (that manifested > itself in a battle with Nitro and some chemicals)...There is nothing better > than those old yarns written by Jim Starlin...right up there with some of the > best sci-fi writing...the Dark Magus saga was great! > > speaking of Spiderman...aren't the original Vulture and Dr. Octopus dead? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:59:12 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] comics (was:Vauxhall-Fall... I'm not sure we got the 80 page versions in the UK. Buying American comics in the 60s & 70s (at least outside London, where I rarely went until the mid 70s) was really hard. The only place I could readily get them was on holiday at seaside resorts where they were sold in twirly racks. They were really exotic and I used to love buying them, spending most of my holiday money on them. Trying to get more than 2 or 3 in sequence was really hard, however. My mother, bless her, chucked most of them out after I left home - Kirby Fantastic Fours, early X-Men, Legion of Super Heroes etc etc etc. And she wonders why I think I deserve an inheritance... another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: dan bailey To: ideal copy Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] comics (was:Vauxhall-Fall... > was a bit too young to see (or at least notice) that particular issue on the > stands, i suppose (first comic i can distinctly remember owning & of course > rereading again & again -- spiderman 29, "never step on a scorpion," with > that great ditko art), but caught it in an lsh 80-page giant maybe 3 years > later, circa '68, which is when i started reading comics in anything > approaching earnest. > > god, did i love the 80-pagers -- superman, batman, jimmy olsen, lois lane, > the flash, the whole lot, all at 25 cents per. have a few coverless examples > still sacked away somewhere. (the later 100-page super spectaculars, or > whatever they were called, somehow lacked their predecessors' charm.). found > myself paying $14 or so for the bizarro-world one from '68 or so on ebay > awhile back. > > dan > > > >Hey, what about that Legion of Super Heroes issue when Ferro Lad died - got > >me going at the time. Now what issue was that again? > > > >another the Keith > >(trying to help Dan's anorak status) > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: dan bailey > >To: ideal copy > >Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:45 PM > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vauxhall-Fall... > > > > > >> whilst my own (potentially golden) anorak hangs unused in the closet > >> because, other than phil dick, for completely inexplicable reasons no one > >> the hell ever brings up my own fields of quasi-expertise, a la baseball, > >the > >> american basketball association, post-depression us history (esp. the > >'60s), > >> radical politics (esp. anarchism), left-wing terrorism, the paranormal > >(esp. > >> ufo's), '50s sf flicks (just saw "signs," btw -- hokily consummated, but > >> otherwise quite nice -- might rank mothman prophecies slightly above it, > >> though), '60s'/70s comic books, horror (esp. lovecraft), living in the > >> (u.s.) south & ... uh ... quite a few other things that of course women > >> find just *completely* irresistible. > >> > >> dan > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >>Oh my god, Mark's Golden Anorak status [you can get it out of the > >> cupboard > >> >> again Mark] is uncontested, even when it comes to cars now!<< > >> > > >> >> That's because Mark's job is writing about the car industry :-) > >> >> However my anorak is indeed multi-faceted..... > >> > > >> >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:14:10 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more comic book death which set me up nicely for the great mid-80s renaissance onwards: 2000 AD,>>>> great anthology! Watchmen (in fact anything by Alan Moore),>>>> i like watchmen but not nearly as much as V FOR VENDETTA!!!!!! probably the greatest comic of all time! Dark Knight,>>>> Dark Knight 2 is out now Yummy Fur,>>>>>> CHester Brown was great wasn't he! Yummy Fur was so damn bizarre! too bad he started doing lame stuff after that (with the exception of Underwater, which was also bizarre and left unfinished!) Neil Gaiman's Marvelman,>>>>>> Those books are great! John Tottleben's art was amazing and creepy...that series was left unfinished as well wasn't it? Love and Rockets.>>>> probably my favorite ongoing series EVER...those characters are so REAL....and at the same time unreal.... Comics really were the most pleasing artform of the lot for a few years there.>>>> yes...things have slowed down...the industry is dying...it's very sad... I'm very semi-detached from the scene now but there doesn't really seem to be a lot going on from what I can see - even the indie sector seems moribund.>>> you just have to dig deeper! i'm off to the comic shop right now..new books are in today! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:11:59 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs Brooce... > Sandinista Abridged: HERESY ON ALL COUNTS!!! Bart [who once covered/recorded a lame version of Charlie Don't Surf] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:09:26 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs Brooce... > Sandinista Abridged: > > Single Album: > > Magnificent Seven > Hitsville UK > Junco Partner > The Leader > Look Here > Somebody Got Murdered > One More Time > One More Dub > Police On My Back > The Call Up Actually, this sounds really good. Think I prefer the imaginary Sandinista single album to it's London's Calling counterpart. Keith NP Transglobal Underground - yes boss food corner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:21:01 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] comics (was:Vauxhall-Fall... > I'm not sure we got the 80 page versions in the UK. Buying American comics > in the 60s & 70s (at least outside London, where I rarely went until the mid > 70s) was really hard. I know it's not as hip, but are there any other Brits who prefered our comics? Tiger & Jag, Scorcher, Score 'n' Roar - and they're just the sports one. Martin's Marvellous Mini, Johnny Cougar (and his beatnik mate Splash Gorton!), Billy's Boots, Lags XI, Skid Solo and, of course, Roy of the Rovers. And what about the brothers who had separate stories - Jack of United (crisp, clean image with sensible hair cut and shirt firmly tucked in, like Bobby Charlton with hair!) and Jimmy of City (scruffy brother with straggly hair and shirt hanging out. Definitely a cartoon George Best...) Half the family supported City, half United. Eventually the publishers ran out of ideas and had them both playing for the same team. Shame... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:41:37 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] barbicant well , i tried. i rang the guy who's the Group Bookings Organiser (can this be a full time job?) and investigated the possibility of an idealcopy massive block booking. suspecting he might object to me just wanting a big pile of cheap tickets i cunningly said that i was organising a charabanc trip for a load of old punk rockers who are urgently in need of a change of scenery. he didn't seem at all surprised by this and said there was plenty of availability and i could have 15 or so no problem. i then asked about the level of discount available on a #20 ticket. he said if i bought 15 or even 20 i could have them for #20 each. i pointed out that this was not a very impressive discount scheme. he said that some shows get discounted but not this one. full booking fee of course applies. i asked why they actually bother mentioning the possibility of group bookings and he conceded that there wasn't much point really. so , to summarise , i think we might as well just all go buy a ticket individually. and there isn't a Royal Box either before you ask......p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #285 *******************************