From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #283 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, August 27 2002 Volume 05 : Number 283 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Neil Spencer/Astrology ["Garry P" ] RE: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Cricket [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Vauxhall-Fall... [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs... [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Vauxhall-Fall... [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] H30/ICA/DOB ["Fergus Kelly" ] Re: [idealcopy] H30/ICA/DOB ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] H30/ICA/DOB [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs Brooce... ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs Brooce... ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Re: Wire reviews in the 80s/don't start me off [Howard Spence] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire reviews in the 80s/don't start me off [MarkBursa] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Vauxhall-Fall... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] H30/ICA/DOB [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Vauxhall-Fall... [RLynn9@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:47:56 +0100 From: "Garry P" Subject: [idealcopy] Neil Spencer/Astrology Paul Rabjohn said... "you know neil spencer , NME editor in the punk years , now writes the horoscopes in the observer newspaper?p" It's true. Neil Spencer also wrote a book about astrology and what people do with it, 'True as the Stars Above'. It came out a couple of months after a book I wrote along similar lines - 'Astrology in the Year Zero' - and promptly snaffled most of my sales, due to its being half the price, and pushed by a major label - er, publisher. Needless to say, my book's loads better though! Neil S turns up at the occasional astrology conference etc, and seems like a regular guy. Garry P. (for the book - www.astrozero.btinternet.co.uk ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:17:48 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show haha! whaddya think about getting 10? I'll have 2... booze warning tho' *this* is a seriously expensive bar (no draught) makes ica look like happy hour later A btw Karen 'quiet smoking lady' got some pics @ ica and has sent them to craig @ wireviews... so keep yr eyes peeled for shots of the back of me 'ed > > ///////(above pasted off their website) what sort of > idealcopy massive > > discount d'you think we'd get then :-) p<< > > > > Shall we hire the Royal Box?? > > > > Mark > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:29:10 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs Brooce... John: > Clash vs Brooce. > Shite of the first order. I wouldn't piss on > Bruce Springsteen if he literally was on fire. Shite? Piss? Tell us about your childhood John. ;-) > The Clash were hugely > influential on me as a kid and the second ever band I saw live (at the age > of 12 no less). Cool! > Yes, London Calling has a few duff tracks on it Wich ones do you mean? Kinda like it all the way through myself. > and Sandinista is full of tracks that you can tell were written in the studio > and would have made a decent ish double album and a cracking single one. Aaaarggh... Cutting up the next Clash masterpiece? "You can't touch this" [the "Hammer" came down]. I give up... next thing you know the Clash career could be summed up on a single's backside. > Yes, they were arty and one of them went to public school. I thought Wire was the arty one. The Clash? Imo, more political, dodgy, boozy & dopey [as well as deeply obsessed with the american continent]. > But I still love em. Ditooo... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:33:03 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 10:17:48AM +0100, Alistair Tear wrote: > haha! > whaddya think about getting 10? > I'll have 2... > booze warning tho' *this* is a seriously > expensive bar (no draught) makes ica > look like happy hour Well, if I'm going, I'll be asking about their student discount: it made quite a difference last time I went to something at the Barbican. (Comments about how I'm a sponge on society, etc, can frankly sod right off. :) ) Still, we might be able to make 10. Roll up, roll up... - - Andrew - -- "You think I'm dead, but I sail away ..." - the Pixies, "Wave of Mutilation" ('Doolittle') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:10:49 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash I enjoyed that quite a bit [another the] Keith! And I totally agree about the PostPunk legacy. Bart [offering a hanky] PS "Fourth Test"? Que? > I share the opinion that post-punk left a finer musical legacy (which is > why, I suppose, I'm here and not on some Clash list) but good it was in that > dawn to be alive. > A dewey-eyed, another the Keith, off to the supermarket now that England > have lost the fourth test. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 06:11:45 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show shouldn't actually be hard to come up with 10 of us up for it either......maybe i'll give em a call. big spread in ticket prices i see , wonder what a #20 ticket gets you?p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:24:04 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 12:10:49PM +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > I enjoyed that quite a bit [another the] Keith! > And I totally agree about the PostPunk legacy. > > Bart [offering a hanky] > > PS "Fourth Test"? Que? A silly game where grown men shelter from the rain in a pavilion for five days, while intermittently taking good-weather breaks to try. to defend three toothpicks from a leather ball using a carved piece of willow. Also known as "cricket". (If these are test matches, why haven't England worked out that they've failed by now?) - - Andrew - -- "I'm not here; this isn't happening." - Radiohead, "How to Disappear Completely" ('Kid A') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:23:21 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show A seat in the stalls... but when we went to the 'Beyond Nashville' show we had seats near the centre of the Circle and they were excellent same price tho' I think A > ....maybe i'll give em a call. big spread in ticket > prices i see , wonder what a #20 ticket gets you?p > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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To give the Brits the > false impression they're not taken over? ;-)<< I could tell you if you really wanted to know :-) Both Vauxhall and Opel are American brands - owned by General Motors. So the Germans are getting the same false impression :-) Until 83 Opels were also sold here. So GM was effectively competing with itself. It was decided to use the Vauxhall name because in Britain we have a lot of "company cars" - and back in 83 most companies enforced a "buy British" policy - even though the Vauxhall and Opel cars were made in the same factories in Britain (or Germany, or Spain) with the only difference being the little plastic badges. And the steering wheel on the correct side of course ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:45:22 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show > >>shouldn't actually be hard to come up with 10 of us up for it > either......maybe i'll give em a call. big spread in ticket prices i see , > wonder what a #20 ticket gets you?p<< > > You get to hold Colin's microphone I think :-) > > Find out what the 10 rate is for the #20 tix. Might be a decent discount. > I'm up for it... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:51:34 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash > >>A silly game where grown men shelter from the rain in a pavilion > for five days, while intermittently taking good-weather breaks to > try. to defend three toothpicks from a leather ball using a > carved piece of willow. > > Also known as "cricket". (If these are test matches, why haven't England > worked out that they've failed by now?)<< > A typical response from one who doesn't follow the game, assuming England are crap. Far from it. OK, the last match was a setback, but the England cricket team has been on a serious rising trajectory over the last two or three years. Good enough, perhaps, to surprise the Australians over the winter.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:54:24 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash > OK, the last match was a setback, but the England cricket > team has been on a > serious rising trajectory over the last two or three years. from the absolute pits to pretty average Good enough, > perhaps, to surprise the Australians over the winter.... > Mark, mark, go and have a wee lie down ...;-] ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:06:10 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs Brooce... > >> Yes, London Calling has a few duff tracks on it > Wich ones do you mean? Kinda like it all the way through myself.<< The duff ones are the ones where they're trying to surf different and unfamiliar stylistic waves - ska, jazz, spector's wall of sound etc. The good ones are where they try to be the Clash (or play reggae, which works, against the odds...). So, with judicious addition of relevant b-side, edit it down to... London calling Brand new cadillac Hateful Spanish bombs Guns of Brixton Lost in the supermarket Clampdown I'm not down Death or glory Armagideon time Train in vain Mark (don't ask me to do Sandanista!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:09:08 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash >>from the absolute pits to pretty average Good enough, > perhaps, to surprise the Australians over the winter.... > Mark, mark, go and have a wee lie down ...;-]<< How are Scotland doing then?? Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:10:28 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vauxhall-Fall... Oh my god, Mark's Golden Anorak status [you can get it out of the cupboard again Mark] is uncontested, even when it comes to cars now! >>Why is German Opel called Vauxhall in the UK btw? To give the Brits the >> false impression they're not taken over? ;-)<< > > I could tell you if you really wanted to know :-) > > Both Vauxhall and Opel are American brands - owned by General Motors. So the > Germans are getting the same false impression :-) > > Until 83 Opels were also sold here. So GM was effectively competing with > itself. It was decided to use the Vauxhall name because in Britain we have a > lot of "company cars" - and back in 83 most companies enforced a "buy > British" policy - even though the Vauxhall and Opel cars were made in the > same factories in Britain (or Germany, or Spain) with the only difference > being the little plastic badges. And the steering wheel on the correct side > of course ;-) You mean the WRONG side of course! Just as you drive at the WRONG side of road [it's dangerous guys!]. Just as it is WRONG not to join the euro! [now who would not want to play with this Mickey Mouse money?] I dunno why I bother to visit each year! ;-P Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:19:04 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Cricket > (If these are test matches, why haven't England > worked out that they've failed by now?) So cricket is not "coming home" then? ;-) > "I'm not here; this isn't happening." > - Radiohead, "How to Disappear Completely" ('Kid A') The English soundtrack to it? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:19:11 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vauxhall-Fall... > >>Oh my god, Mark's Golden Anorak status [you can get it out of the cupboard > again Mark] is uncontested, even when it comes to cars now!<< > That's because Mark's job is writing about the car industry :-) > However my anorak is indeed multi-faceted..... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:17:41 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 6:51:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, MarkBursa writes: > Good enough, > perhaps, to surprise the Australians over the winter.... > > Mark ////i always like optimism in a man. but i fear realism will creep into this one (mid morning on the first day of the first test maybe?) p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:22:35 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash > >>////i always like optimism in a man. but i fear realism will creep into > this one (mid morning on the first day of the first test maybe?) p<< My concerns are that our bowling attack is not accurate enough to frustrate the australians, and that we still aren't good enough at playing spin. But I think we're a lot better than we were last summer. And the Waugh brothers aren't getting any younger. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:22:52 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs... > Mark (don't ask me to do Sandanista!!!) What about Sandinista, Mark? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:24:20 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vauxhall-Fall... >> That's because Mark's job is writing about the car industry :-) >> However my anorak is indeed multi-faceted..... Now THAT's cheating! Brrt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:21:52 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] H30/ICA/DOB For those of you interested in The Hafler Trio, I was holidaying in Amsterdam last week, and, whilst making the obligatory stop in the Staalplaat record shop, I enquired into the health of Andrew MacKenzie. I didnt get much in the way of precise information, but it seems that things arent as bad as they seemed some time ago, which is indeed good news. Picked up the new issue of The Wire when I got back, and was very disappointed they didnt cover the ICA show so no photos from any quarter what a shame a great opportunity squandered. I normally wouldnt be bothered sharing birthdates, but, seeing as theres so many of you born in October, I just had to throw in me tuppence hapennys worth here, as I was born in October too, 13/10/64 to be precise. We should have a joint celebration at the Brighton gig !! ( OK, thats November, but its only a few days into it) So, whose going ? Fergus NP: Jim O Rourke: Im Happy, And Im Singing, And A 1,2,3,4 ( Good, isnt it Robert ?  An unexpected pleasure, as I dont like his guitar stuff, but this is more like the early 90s drone based stuff) The subject of time flexing like a whore reminded me of this wonderful Devoto lyric :  Time flies, time crawls , like an insect, up and down the walls Magazine : The Light Pours Out Of Me _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:14:45 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] H30/ICA/DOB speaking of whom, for some bizarre reason 4 or 5 hafler trio discs were sitting on the shelves at the one decently sized used shop in town last time i was there (possibly dropped off by whoever finally picked up the he said disc ... wonder if the same individual snapped up the 3 or so creaming jesus ep's i'd passed up earlier -- surely not). any particular recommendations? dan >For those of you interested in The Hafler Trio, I was holidaying in >Amsterdam last week, and, whilst making the obligatory stop in the >Staalplaat record shop, I enquired into the health of Andrew MacKenzie. I >didnt get much in the way of precise information, but it seems that things >arent as bad as they seemed some time ago, which is indeed good news. > >Picked up the new issue of The Wire when I got back, and was very >disappointed they didnt cover the ICA show so no photos from any quarter >what a shame a great opportunity squandered. > >I normally wouldnt be bothered sharing birthdates, but, seeing as theres >so many of you born in October, I just had to throw in me tuppence >hapennys worth here, as I was born in October too, 13/10/64 to be precise. >We should have a joint celebration at the Brighton gig !! ( OK, thats >November, but its only a few days into it) So, whose going ? > >Fergus > >NP: Jim O Rourke: Im Happy, And Im Singing, And A 1,2,3,4 ( Good, isnt >it Robert ?  An unexpected pleasure, as I dont like his guitar stuff, but >this is more like the early 90s drone based stuff) > >The subject of time flexing like a whore reminded me of this wonderful >Devoto lyric : > > Time flies, >time crawls , >like an insect, >up and down the walls > >Magazine : The Light Pours Out Of Me > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:19:26 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] H30/ICA/DOB In a message dated 8/27/02 9:15:10 AM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << speaking of whom, for some bizarre reason 4 or 5 hafler trio discs were sitting on the shelves at the one decently sized used shop in town last time i was there (possibly dropped off by whoever finally picked up the he said disc ... wonder if the same individual snapped up the 3 or so creaming jesus ep's i'd passed up earlier -- surely not). any particular recommendations? dan >> i have a fairly decent sized Hafler Trio collection and i would have to say that my favorites are: Kill the King Mastery of Money How to Reform Mankind A Thirsty Fish One Dozen Economical Stories (with Peter Greenaway) Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:26:48 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs Brooce... to which i *might* add (haven't listened to the track in years, mind you) rudie can't fail. otherwise, perfectly echoes my own sentiments toward the lp. dan >> >> Yes, London Calling has a few duff tracks on it >> Wich ones do you mean? Kinda like it all the way through myself.<< > > >The duff ones are the ones where they're trying to surf different and >unfamiliar stylistic waves - ska, jazz, spector's wall of sound etc. The good >ones are where they try to be the Clash (or play reggae, which works, against >the odds...). > >So, with judicious addition of relevant b-side, edit it down to... > >London calling >Brand new cadillac >Hateful >Spanish bombs >Guns of Brixton >Lost in the supermarket > >Clampdown >I'm not down >Death or glory >Armagideon time >Train in vain > >Mark (don't ask me to do Sandanista!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:30:12 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] H30/ICA/DOB thanks, robert. will check tonight, on the (extremely) off chance i get off work in time (the place closes at 8 ... still, my 2 assts are back from vacation as of today), whether any of those are there, as i'm headed to that side of town anyway to pick up, as mentioned previously, the new *ahem* dixie chicks. dan np: can't stop it! australian post-punk 1978-82 >In a message dated 8/27/02 9:15:10 AM Central Daylight Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > ><< speaking of whom, for some bizarre reason 4 or 5 hafler trio discs were > sitting on the shelves at the one decently sized used shop in town last time > i was there (possibly dropped off by whoever finally picked up the he said > disc ... wonder if the same individual snapped up the 3 or so creaming jesus > ep's i'd passed up earlier -- surely not). any particular recommendations? > > dan > >> > > >i have a fairly decent sized Hafler Trio collection and i would have to say >that my favorites are: > >Kill the King >Mastery of Money >How to Reform Mankind >A Thirsty Fish >One Dozen Economical Stories (with Peter Greenaway) > > >Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:42:12 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs Brooce... > > >> Yes, London Calling has a few duff tracks on it > So, with judicious addition of relevant b-side, edit it down to... > > London calling > Brand new cadillac > Hateful > Spanish bombs > Guns of Brixton > Lost in the supermarket > > Clampdown > I'm not down > Death or glory > Armagideon time > Train in vain > > Mark (don't ask me to do Sandanista!!!) I'd go a bit further... London calling Brand new cadillac Armagideon time Keith ; ) np The Fall - Shiftwork ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:35:18 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] H30/ICA/DOB In a message dated 8/27/02 9:30:42 AM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << np: can't stop it! australian post-punk 1978-82 >> i would imagine that The Boys Next Door are on this compilation?...one of these days i will get around to hunting for Door Door Door on cd.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:45:07 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vauxhall-Fall... whilst my own (potentially golden) anorak hangs unused in the closet because, other than phil dick, for completely inexplicable reasons no one the hell ever brings up my own fields of quasi-expertise, a la baseball, the american basketball association, post-depression us history (esp. the '60s), radical politics (esp. anarchism), left-wing terrorism, the paranormal (esp. ufo's), '50s sf flicks (just saw "signs," btw -- hokily consummated, but otherwise quite nice -- might rank mothman prophecies slightly above it, though), '60s'/70s comic books, horror (esp. lovecraft), living in the (u.s.) south & ... uh ... quite a few other things that of course women find just *completely* irresistible. dan >> >>Oh my god, Mark's Golden Anorak status [you can get it out of the cupboard >> again Mark] is uncontested, even when it comes to cars now!<< > >> That's because Mark's job is writing about the car industry :-) >> However my anorak is indeed multi-faceted..... > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:49:06 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] H30/ICA/DOB actually, no, dammit all. & to think i consistently passed over that lp for $6 or so at roads to moscow (yes, al stewart reference, i know, but a very cool shop -- found the dot dash, our swimmer & outdoor miner 7"s there for a couple of bucks each, max, back in the day) in tempe back in the early '80s, mainly because of a certain anti-birthday-party bias (since overcome, mainly thanks to the final 2 ep's) brought on by excessive worship of nick cave & party by the editor (who also harbored a real 4ad fetish) of a certain fanzine to which i used to contribute. so door door door has been reissued on cd, then? dan >In a message dated 8/27/02 9:30:42 AM Central Daylight Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > ><< np: can't stop it! australian post-punk 1978-82 > > >> > >i would imagine that The Boys Next Door are on this compilation?...one of >these days i will get around to hunting for Door Door Door on cd.. > >RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:03:59 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash > Good enough, > > perhaps, to surprise the Australians over the winter.... > > > Mark, mark, go and have a wee lie down ...;-]<< > > How are Scotland doing then?? > > Mark ;-) Did you notice that Wales beat England in a recent one day match, though admittedly Wales had that famous Welshman Jaques Kallis in their team ; ) I share Mark's view that England are no longer a joke team, and that things are looking fairly bright. Unfortunately, the pace attack is looking a bit ordinary at the moment (and we're still lacking a class spinner). FWIW I don't think we're gonna seriously bother the Aussies, BUT at least Nasser and Duncan have installed a bit of grit and determination (and allowed the flair players to demonstrate their wears). And at least we're no long under achieving considering the players we have at our disposal - and that hasn't been the case for years... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:19:33 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs Brooce... << to which i *might* add (haven't listened to the track in years, mind you) rudie can't fail. otherwise, perfectly echoes my own sentiments toward the lp. >> Hasn't aged well, to be honest. It sounds too quirky now, as does Jimmy Jazz. You could bung in the two most LC-ish tracks off Sandanista. Somebody got murdered and Police on my back both would fit well. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:21:00 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clash vs Brooce... << I'd go a bit further... London calling Brand new cadillac Armagideon time >> Harsh.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:32:55 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] MURDER! "Somebody got butchered" and it's the Clash finest albums! Bart [boohooohooo, murderers!] I-P > << I'd go a bit further... > > London calling > Brand new cadillac > Armagideon time >> > > Harsh.... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:37:36 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wire reviews in the 80s/don't start me off >> I would also like to know how the wonderful British music press, responded to >> the 80's Wire stuff, No doubt at this time they were falling over themselves >> hyping bands like the Wedding Present, Mighty Lemondrops and the myriad of >> jangly guitar bands of the time... > >Manscape only got a brief review in the NME. From what I recall, the review >was fairly dismissive, but did make the point that Wire's lyrics made >Leonard Cohen's seem like Enid Blyton. >Mark S Hello Mark S and Gary, I've got a slightly different recollection of this, if it is the same review we are thinking of. The track `Life in the Manscape' was described as `a hit single in a parallel universe' which I thought was a pretty good description. I seem to remember there were a few reviews along the lines of Lush's Miki Berenyi guest review of In Vivo (which I've brought up here before) saying essentially why do these old buggers not give up and go away. But my general recollection is that Wire stuff was reviewed with polite interest - as distinct from solo material which was often mercilessly trashed due to its (often) more experimental nature. On another subject, I can't believe you folk have been discussing your bleedin' star signs! Honestly, I take a week's holiday and all manner of hippy-dipshit, tie-dyed soft headedness breaks out in my absense. The best way to expose astrological enthusiasts, I've found, is to ask them to guess your star sign. The last time I tried this the person got it right - at the seventh attempt. I was most impressed. And don't even get me started on tarot. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:36:14 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire reviews in the 80s/don't start me off >>And don't even get me started on tarot.<< That millionnaire show is rubbish, his radio show is shite but he was good on Tiswas. Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:58:57 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash Thank you Bart. Sniff. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart van Damme To: wire-news Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash > I enjoyed that quite a bit [another the] Keith! > And I totally agree about the PostPunk legacy. > > Bart [offering a hanky] > > PS "Fourth Test"? Que? > > > > I share the opinion that post-punk left a finer musical legacy (which is > > why, I suppose, I'm here and not on some Clash list) but good it was in that > > dawn to be alive. > > > A dewey-eyed, another the Keith, off to the supermarket now that England > > have lost the fourth test. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:14:15 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vauxhall-Fall... Hey, what about that Legion of Super Heroes issue when Ferro Lad died - got me going at the time. Now what issue was that again? another the Keith (trying to help Dan's anorak status) - ----- Original Message ----- From: dan bailey To: ideal copy Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vauxhall-Fall... > whilst my own (potentially golden) anorak hangs unused in the closet > because, other than phil dick, for completely inexplicable reasons no one > the hell ever brings up my own fields of quasi-expertise, a la baseball, the > american basketball association, post-depression us history (esp. the '60s), > radical politics (esp. anarchism), left-wing terrorism, the paranormal (esp. > ufo's), '50s sf flicks (just saw "signs," btw -- hokily consummated, but > otherwise quite nice -- might rank mothman prophecies slightly above it, > though), '60s'/70s comic books, horror (esp. lovecraft), living in the > (u.s.) south & ... uh ... quite a few other things that of course women > find just *completely* irresistible. > > dan > > > > >> >>Oh my god, Mark's Golden Anorak status [you can get it out of the > cupboard > >> again Mark] is uncontested, even when it comes to cars now!<< > > > >> That's because Mark's job is writing about the car industry :-) > >> However my anorak is indeed multi-faceted..... > > > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:17:36 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash I think we're going to be absolutely tanked by the bloody Aussies yet again. They could probably beat us just be fielding Gilchrist, Warne and McGrath alone. As a Somerset fan I have to say that Caddick was simply awful in this last test. Let's hope he bucks his idea up for the Somerset / Yorkshire final on Saturday (which I'm pleased to say I'll be at - the Friday of the Oval test too). another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen/Clash > > Good enough, > > > perhaps, to surprise the Australians over the winter.... > > > > > Mark, mark, go and have a wee lie down ...;-]<< > > > > How are Scotland doing then?? > > > > Mark ;-) > > Did you notice that Wales beat England in a recent one day match, though > admittedly Wales had that famous Welshman Jaques Kallis in their team ; ) > > I share Mark's view that England are no longer a joke team, and that things > are looking fairly bright. Unfortunately, the pace attack is looking a bit > ordinary at the moment (and we're still lacking a class spinner). FWIW I > don't think we're gonna seriously bother the Aussies, BUT at least Nasser > and Duncan have installed a bit of grit and determination (and allowed the > flair players to demonstrate their wears). And at least we're no long under > achieving considering the players we have at our disposal - and that hasn't > been the case for years... > > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:19:01 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show I've been asking around my gig colleagues today and there are three in my party (with possibly one or two more to come) so this could be a real goer - at least eight so far? (me - three; Paul; Alistair x 2; Mark & Andrew (unless he pursues his student discount)). another the Keith in response to Ari's query - no news of any Beeb broadcast and I'd be surprised if they do to be honest. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show > shouldn't actually be hard to come up with 10 of us up for it either......maybe i'll give em a call. big spread in ticket prices i see , wonder what a #20 ticket gets you?p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:11:58 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] H30/ICA/DOB Yup, I've ordered my ticket and am bringing a couple of friends too (oddly, different ones to those interested in the Barbican). another the Keith - ---------- > We should have a joint celebration at the Brighton gig !! ( OK, thats > November, but its only a few days into it) So, whose going ? > > Fergus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:31:12 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vauxhall-Fall... In a message dated 8/27/02 1:14:42 PM Central Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: << Hey, what about that Legion of Super Heroes issue when Ferro Lad died - got me going at the time. Now what issue was that again? another the Keith (trying to help Dan's anorak status) >> when i was a boy, i cried when Gwen Stacey, the love of Peter Parker's (aka Spider-man) life was killed by the Green Goblin... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:34:54 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] H30/ICA/DOB In a message dated 8/27/02 9:49:51 AM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << so door door door has been reissued on cd, then? dan >> i believe it was Mute that re-issued it...and another label as well... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:38:50 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show 
ok , i will call them tomorrow and haggle and see what i can get them to 
offer me. will post up the details tomorrow night . p

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:45:59 EDT
From: RLynn9@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vauxhall-Fall...

In a message dated 8/27/02 9:49:28 AM Central Daylight Time, 
dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes:

<< whilst my own (potentially golden) anorak hangs unused in the closet
 because, other than phil dick, for completely inexplicable reasons no one
 the hell ever brings up my own fields of quasi-expertise,>>>>

well let's see what you have here:

 a la baseball,>>>>>

not much of a fan even though i live in St. Louis Cardinals land...

the
 american basketball association,>>>>>

didn't St. Louis used to have a team? weren't we the St. Louis Hawks and 
didn't we become the Atlanta Hawks?

 post-depression us history (esp. the '60s),>>>>

hmmmm..interesting..

 radical politics (esp. anarchism), left-wing terrorism, the paranormal (esp.
 ufo's),>>>>>

alright! i have seen a ufo hovering in a field many years ago...snapped a 
couple of pictures but they are blurry and not very good...it was also late 
at night...

 '50s sf flicks (just saw "signs," btw -- hokily consummated, but
 otherwise quite nice -- might rank mothman prophecies slightly above it,
 though),>>>>>>

ah ha! i am an avid collector myself! i am currently working on piecing 
together my Outer Limits collection...just picked up Invasion of the Body 
Snatchers and Monster of Piedras Blancas the other day!

 '60s'/70s comic books,>>>>>>

aren't they the best!?...i have a huge collection myself..mostly Marvel, EC 
and independents....(i have an actual page of original art from a Thor comic 
that was drawn by none other than Jack Kirby (r.i.p.) !!) and a few pre-code 
horror titles horror

 (esp. lovecraft),>>>>>

i've been reading a lot of Lovecraft lately...just finished Ubik by 
Dick...reading a couple of Alvin Toffler books as well...

 living in the
 (u.s.) south>>>>

don't know much about that...i live in the midwest...i do have relatives in 
Corning, Arkansas...  

& ... uh ... quite a few other things that of course women
 find just *completely* irresistible.>>>>>

hahahhaha....i actually met a woman who loved all of these things and her 
work took her elsewhere...damn....

RL

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