From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #281 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, August 27 2002 Volume 05 : Number 281 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: time reflected like a whore? [Bart van Damme ] Fw: [idealcopy] The Wedding Present ["Gary Owens" ] [idealcopy] OT - Attention Fall fans... ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Attention Fall fans... [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Attention Fall fans... ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] escaping bore-drums [voyteck@webtv.net] Re: [idealcopy] coulda woulda shoulda ["dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: time reflected like a whore? >> I'm sure you understand people who loved Bowie in the 70's still being >> interested in what the man comes up with nowadays. > but be a bit objective about it , that was my point. its so long since > he made anything worth hearing, Hasn't every great artist his/her finest hour folllowed by up and [frequently more] downs? Personally I haven't bought any of Bowie's stuff since Scary Monsters, but I don't feel the need to be disappointed with him at all - the guy's already given so much. Though mostly all not my cuppa tea, I affectionally look at his later work with a sense of wonder - and like Keith's said, it's not as if he's made the most accessable albums in the world now, does he? Tin Machine? I didn't like the music at all [except for You belong in R&R], but was amazed by Bowie's decission to form such a band. It's not exactly taking the easy way out imo. He could've also just cash in with a greatest hits show. > isn't there so many more interesting people > to go investigate? Sure, I do that too... a lot! But I also want to keep giving credit to the great "forefathers" of all those exiting new musicians [hence credit to Wire too]. > a couple of bowie fans i know buy everything he releases > regardless and see tin machine as prime early 90's rock (but don't own a > nirvana album) and see "little wonder" as a classic dance track (but don't > own a single dance record of the last 20 years) . to each their own i > guess....... Yeah, I also know people like that, though I haven't met them on this list [yet]. > answering my own question maybe , i saw a thing in a paper a few days ago > saying all advertising aimed at "older" people is a complete waste of time as > everybody's taste is fixed by the time they hit 35 and they're completely > closed to new ideas. a big generalisation there i guess (but then nobody ever > thinks these things apply to them ha ha ). p True... neither do I! ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:01:03 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen... > MarkB asks... >> Does anyone here actually like Bruce Springsteen? Philadelphia wasn't produced in his big rock way, but I'm afraid that's the only song I can think of that I like. Don't dislike the man though... he seems pretty sincere, just doesn't do the trick for me. Didn't the Clash showed Springsteen great respect? And if so, are the IC Clash fans the same as the Boss fans here? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:14:06 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] coulda woulda shoulda What drugs were YOU on, writing this Voyteck? ;-) Brrt > 20/20 hindsight of stimulant overindulgement during times of swimming > with that school of fish was what was prevalient in almost all my social > circles 1970's ~ 1990; what to do to enhance sex drive & enchantment. I > thought it the way to 'float' one's boat about ... working hard at not > working. > Wrong! Those escapades did not set my life up with 'truely' enjoyable > work, a wife & kids in a house with a white picket fence, or financial > freedom. Work is key in one of the secret's of life doors, not so as > fiddlin' about Pandora's box. > Endorphin release in one's body through exercise, such as runner's > high, or physical work should be body buzz enough. What of Monty > Python's Lumberjacks? How true!?! And being close enough, I'll steer > this back to our youth when nursery rhymes, fairie tales, and riddles > were (or should have been) ingrained in us. Pop goes the weasel (as > reported on ABC 20/20 or similiar news show) was about an English > tailor, addict, who would pawn (pop) his iron (weasel) for his fix. Old > mother Hubbard was about a sex addict (~ Beatle's Lady Madonna), > Cinderella was looking for mr right, little red riding hood / 3 little > pigs about predators, and sad memory as to the jist of rumpelstiltskin, > raponsel, snow white, hansel & gretel, tom thumb, jack & the beanstalk, > sleeping beauty, little jack horner, little miss duffet, humpty dumpty, > homer simpson etc et al. Jeckle & Hyde is probably the most appropriate > fit to this thread, as could be Halloween itself. Children / people > costume out as to recognize and celebrate life's horrors & ridiculus > circumstances, such as a thread from fairie tales to the grave we have > as a reminder each year. Prepare for the road ahead Eleanor Rigby & > Polythene Pam, perhaps with WIR - The 1st Letter to precondition your > day. Feel reality in your dentist's chair twice a year without > anesthetic gas or novacaine and zone with your own endorphins while your > 'drilled, filled, & billed'; it's just for now, no thanks dr robert. > Row, row, row your boat ... > voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:20:15 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: time reflected like a whore Keith wrote: > I'd liked Bowie since John I'm Only Dancing (didn't like Starman that much > at the time - the shame!), though I used to have a bit of a downer on him > because he got credit for stuff that I felt he'd ripped off his mate Marc. > So although I had a healthy collection of 70's Bowie albums, I certainly > wasn't the biggest DB fan in the world. - ----------------- The old Bowie album I now find myself going back to most often is Aladdin Sane, which I was never that fond of at the time. Now it sounds like a masterpiece. I love Mike Garson's piano on it. - ----------- Personally I think Ziggy is totally over-rated. One of my least fave 70's Bowie albums. There's some great stuff on Ziggy admittedly, but there's something a bit weedy about it IMO. I think people like it now cos of the effect it had at the time, rather than being a GREAT album. - ------------ I agree pretty much - another I wasn't fond of at the time and which hasn't pulled me in still. I also came at it from the pov that it was ripping off T Rex, who were one of my real loves - although I found myself going off them when they released Telegram Sam which sounded like they were treading water. Which I think they were, although ripped from it's context it sounds great now. - ----------- > But I think Bowie had a very respectable 90's. He might have taken care of > his financial needs with his Bowie bonds, but he didn't exactly seemed arsed > about selling lots of records. 1. Outside, for example, isn't a particularly > commercial album. - -------------- Agreed. I think 1. Outside is a really interesting record. I finding myself warming to Heathen, although it's far from his best work. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:06:42 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Star signs Yeah, 31 October for me as well ('56). Exactly the same day as the editor of the Daily Telegraph, (a very Conservative rag) which rather kicks astrology into touch for me despite this Wirefan October grouping. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Pietromonaco To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Star signs > > 25th October, 1980: Scorpio on the cusp of Libra, apparently. > > Cool - I'm a Scorpio as well. I was born on Oct. 31st/Nov. 1st at the > stroke of midnight. Yes, that's midnight on Halloween. My mother got to > choose my birthday, and since she was superstitious, she officially picked > the 1st - All Saints Day. > > Yeah, right. > > Explains a lot of things about me, actually. (^_^) > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:27:03 +0100 From: "Gary Owens" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] The Wedding Present - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Owens To: Scott KELLOCK Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wedding Present > > I never saw the Wedding Present live, although a friend of mine was > obssessed with them to the point of writing letters to David Gedge seeking > advice on how to handle strange girlfriends.. I think he still has the reply > ! > Strangely enough, I found an old tape of the 'Weddoes' first two albums in > my car, this is the first time I have heard these in about 6 or 7 years, I > have to admit a lot of the first album still sounds good to me. But the > Bizarro stuff might take a bit more time... > I still enjoyed their album of > Ukranian folk songs though... > > NP on the telly 'Bergerac' with the volume muted, and 'Second hand daylight' > Magazine, > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott KELLOCK > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 10:30 PM > Subject: [idealcopy] The Wedding Present > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "idealcopy-digest" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:30 AM > > Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #279 > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 00:10:11 +0100 > > > From: "Gary Owens" > > > Subject: [idealcopy] Meet the new starter > > > I would also like to know how the wonderful British music press, > responded > > to > > > the 80's Wire stuff, No doubt at this time they were falling over > > themselves > > > hyping bands like the Wedding Present, Mighty Lemondrops and the myriad > of > > > jangly guitar bands of the time... > > > > Question ; When did the British music press hype The Wedding Present??? > God > > I only wish they did, no other band deserved acclaim in the 80's. They > were > > one of the best Live Acts around and Gedge and Cinerama are still superb. > If > > the press hyped them I wonder why they didn't get the recognition they > > deserved, maybe tooooo different like Wire in 70's and 80's. > > All the best bands start with W ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:27:13 +0100 From: "Gary Owens" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] Meet the new starter - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Owens To: Bart van Damme Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Meet the new starter > Greetings Bart, > During the late 80's I spent many a happy evening in your fair country a > little further south from your hometown, in Enschede and Hengelo...It was a > real eye opener visiting these places, I originally hail from the Englands > 'grim north-west' (well, it was in 1982) and it was a complete contrast on > every level to what I had been used to. Ah happy memories. > > The Wire gig will blow you away maaaan! (especially if its a small venue ) > be prepared, > > NP the telly on Ceefax and a Josef K compilation... then I have to paint the > fence... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bart van Damme > To: Gary Owens > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Meet the new starter > > > > Hi Gary & welcome to the club. > > > > My name is Bart van Damme [not related] from the Netherlands. > > I presume you are American? [you didn't say] > > > > I'm looking forward to seeying them for the first time in Groningen where > I > > live [not far from the german border] in november. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:02:15 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punk Sucks (I read it on a bumper so it must be true) In a message dated 8/24/02 10:40:37 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << > Bill is still my friend..why i'd even go to the store and buy tampons for him... That young Robert is the definition of friendship! Keith >> Always there for my friends! RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:15:24 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen... God, I'm sounding like Mr Consensus today, but I agree absolutely Bart - Philadelphia is the only Springsteen track I've given houseroom to. I've tried Nebraska and the Ghost of Tom Joad, but neither made any impact on me at all. Which doesn't stop me being kind of interested in hearing The Rising, although I'm sure I would just have the same attitude towards it as the other Bruce bombast. Having been away a bit, I missed the punk debate a few weeks ago, but count me in as a Clash fan up to a point. I love(d) the first album but found everything afterwards disappointing. How London Calling is regarded as a great record beats the hell out of me. I think it was a bombast thing too why I went off them - to much breastbeating and posturing. With regard to being 19/20 when punk was at its height, it was just such a great time to be alive. Every week from about October 76 to December 77 seemed to be important as new releases came out, bands formed, gigs got cancelled. The paucity of available product was one of the things that made it really exciting. I recall Peel playing a punk hour in November 76 and covering virtually every band that had released anything (virtually all American of course). It's amusing to recall how we fell upon the early Damned releases because that was nearly all there was. There was a genuine sense of being an outsider, part of a small nationwide club with the NME as the glue holding it together. I recall a friend of mine (a trainee accountant - there was no barriers on who liked punk in my experience) tried to buy Anarchy in Southend at Christmas and was told that 'we don't stock that sort of thing here'. Extraordinary really. I kept long hair throughout the era and still wore flares, as many people did - check out audience photos of the time at venues apart from the Roxy (e.g the regularly seen footage of the Clash at Manchester Apollo where there are loads of people down the front with unkempt hair - a gig I was at, although nearer the back). I also carried on liking the music I liked before pretty much. I think it was Mark who wrote about how moribund music was in the time running up to punk, but that isn't my recollection at all. 1975 in particular was a stunning year - 'Hissing of Summer Lawns', 'Blood on the Tracks', 'Horses', 'Ruth is Stranger than Richard', 'Future Days', 'Godbluff' (Van der Graaf Generator, natch) are all stunning records, right up there in the firmament, and there are probably others that don't spring to mind. What none of these do, however, is provide that adrenalin rush that punk provided. It was certainly like nothing I'd been exposed to (having grown up with progressive rock, Krautrock and the early Virgin stuff) and hearing songs played at speed and quickly and addressing the times was completely fresh to me and hit the nerve. But it wasn't an either/or - I hadn't been so wedded to instrument virtuosity and songs about nursery boxes from liking Genesis that I couldn't appreciate the guitar solo on Boredom nor vice versa. I share the opinion that post-punk left a finer musical legacy (which is why, I suppose, I'm here and not on some Clash list) but good it was in that dawn to be alive. A dewey-eyed, another the Keith, off to the supermarket now that England have lost the fourth test. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart van Damme To: wire-news Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Springsteen... > > MarkB asks... > >> Does anyone here actually like Bruce Springsteen? > > > Philadelphia wasn't produced in his big rock way, but I'm afraid that's the > only song I can think of that I like. > Don't dislike the man though... he seems pretty sincere, just doesn't do the > trick for me. > > Didn't the Clash showed Springsteen great respect? And if so, are the IC > Clash fans the same as the Boss fans here? > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:11:43 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show Has anyone heard anything further about the possibility, or otherwise, of a Wire show on the 25th of October? I remember someone mentioning it as a rumour a while ago... and I suspect it might just be that, but if anyone can tell me different I'd be very glad to hear it. :) - - Andrew - -- adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:37:46 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] coulda woulda shoulda In a message dated 8/25/02 11:26:36 AM Central Daylight Time, voyteck@webtv.net writes: << Feel reality in your dentist's chair twice a year without anesthetic gas or novacaine and zone with your own endorphins while your 'drilled, filled, & billed'; it's just for now, no thanks dr robert. Row, row, row your boat ... voyteck >> now just because i prescribed tampons for a certain grumpy fellow does not qualify me as a doctor! n.p. - more crap 80's music: TUXEDOMOON - "DESIRE" Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:57:01 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wedding Present > > No doubt at this time they were falling over themselves > > hyping bands like the Wedding Present, Mighty Lemondrops and the myriad of > > jangly guitar bands of the time... > > Question ; When did the British music press hype The Wedding Present??? I thought the early Wedding Present (circa George Best etc) were very well received. It was only later that the knives came out? > All the best bands start with W I nominate the Walker Brothers, The Woodentops and The Wild Swans! Keith PS Talking of Brucie - Badly Drawn Boy is a *big* fan. I therefore deduce that Tim isn't ; ) NP Skyray - Tranquiliser ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:16:19 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] B corrects B in 'B' B-side some-noun-beginning-with-B - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Alone (on piano) is by Colin Newman, not TMC. It's the B-side of the > Inventory 7in. > > Mark Nope, it's one track on the B-side of 'B' Come on Mark, we depend on you. Ian B np the neighbours' bass frequencies (you know the one; thud, thud, thud, thud, thudthudthudthud, thud, thud, etc ad nauseum) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:59:20 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wedding Present I remember that Steven Wells gave the Weddoes a grilling in an NME interview. He deduced that because they weren't socialists that they were devoid of politics or something. Clash vs Brooce. To me him and his band epitomise almost everything a band shouldn't be: huge stadiums, turgid, formulaic and unimaginative dross of the very kind punk rock bands were often accused of being, aspirations towards authentic rock (maaaan) - whatever that is. Hippy music without the guitar solos and long hair. Shite of the first order. I wouldn't piss on Bruce Springsteen if he literally was on fire. The Clash were hugely influential on me as a kid and the second ever band I saw live (at the age of 12 no less). Yes, London Calling has a few duff tracks on it and Sandinista is full of tracks that you can tell were written in the studio and would have made a decent ish double album and a cracking single one. Yes, they did "sell out" and play a stadium supporting The Who. Yes, they were arty and one of them went to public school. But I still love em. They appeared on Tiswas for Christ's sake. To my knowledge The Clash never fired a roadie for accidentally letting one of their boats go either. Cheers John >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: "Scott KELLOCK" , >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wedding Present >Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:57:01 +0100 > > > > No doubt at this time they were falling over themselves > > > hyping bands like the Wedding Present, Mighty Lemondrops and the >myriad >of > > > jangly guitar bands of the time... > > > > Question ; When did the British music press hype The Wedding Present??? > >I thought the early Wedding Present (circa George Best etc) were very well >received. It was only later that the knives came out? > > > All the best bands start with W > >I nominate the Walker Brothers, The Woodentops and The Wild Swans! > >Keith > >PS Talking of Brucie - Badly Drawn Boy is a *big* fan. I therefore deduce >that Tim isn't ; ) > > >NP Skyray - Tranquiliser http://www.captive.co.uk/bocca/ _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:26:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] B corrects B in 'B' B-side some-noun-beginning-with-B >>Nope, it's one track on the B-side of 'B' Come on Mark, we depend on you.<< Hangs head in shame. Quietly hangs golden anorak in wardrobe, and closes the door.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:59:08 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show It's definitely happening - an event based around Iain Sinclair's new book 'London Orbital'. Wire will be performing 'new music'. Details are at http://www.barbican.org.uk/generic/details.asp?eventID=1280&artFormID=2&artF orm=music. I Like Sinclair and most of the other participants so I'll probably go. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:11 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show > Has anyone heard anything further about the possibility, or otherwise, > of a Wire show on the 25th of October? I remember someone mentioning > it as a rumour a while ago... and I suspect it might just be that, but > if anyone can tell me different I'd be very glad to hear it. :) > > - Andrew > > -- > adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:08:20 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Wedding Present > Clash vs Brooce. To me him and his band epitomise almost everything a band > shouldn't be: huge stadiums, turgid, formulaic and unimaginative dross of > the very kind punk rock bands were often accused of being, aspirations > towards authentic rock (maaaan) - whatever that is. Hippy music without the > guitar solos and long hair. Shite of the first order. I wouldn't piss on > Bruce Springsteen if he literally was on fire. Come on John. Don't sit on the fence ; ) > To my knowledge The Clash never fired > a roadie for accidentally letting one of their boats go either. They were probably too busy shooting pigeons! Anyway, a bit of discipline surely never did a roadie any harm. Keep the buggers in check I say... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:25:22 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Jonathon Fisk and just to add... the band is Spoon (ex-Matador band if memory serves...), here's the Rough Trade mail-out description from this week... spoon jonathon fisk jonathon fisk is a ferocious rocker reminiscent of early roxy music and stay don't go is like prince's when doves cry filtered through wire. well...you pays yer money... ;) ian.s.j. >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: >Subject: [idealcopy] Jonathon Fisk >Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:15:14 +0100 > >Saturdays Guardian had 'Jonathon Fisk' by Spooner as single of the week, >and >called it...'a credible enough compression of Roxy, T.Rex and Wire, with >it's >ack-ack guitarfire and sensual but urgent vocals, reminiscent of the period >panache of The Strokes.' > >(Roxy, T.Rex and Wire? Sounds like bliss to me...) > >I've not heard Spooner, though from the review it sounds like they've >changed >as the reviewer says they were 'hitherto punk popsters from austin, Texas' >and >that 'mutated into something else...spouting extra musical limbs and >flippers'. > >Out on 12XU records. Anyone heard it? > >Keith _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:43:57 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Attention Fall fans... witnessed on the telly last night... new ad for the Vauxhall Corsa (i think...) backed by The Fall's 'Touch Sensitive'... ah well...i suppose it's time the old bugger made some REAL money... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:43:33 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Star signs - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Sent: August 23, 2002 10:28 AM To: MarkBursa@aol.com; andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Star signs > > >>No, he's Crawling Keith Snake... > > > > Well I've been called most things in life, but I can't recall 'crawling' > > ever coming up before ; )<< > > It's in honour of your Death Cult namesake's new job as Jim Morrisson (erk!) I still think they gave it the wrong man - my first name is James after all. And I was really pleased with my application too. I saw Droppy at the Mountford Hall in Liverpool (17 May 80 - the night > Ian Curtis was busy topping himself 30 miles away)... Not sure if I've said this before, but I was at the LPool gig too (Hambi & the Dance supported). //////////////// Maybe Ian should have gone instead of watching that bloody Herzog movie. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:48:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Attention Fall fans... >>witnessed on the telly last night... new ad for the Vauxhall Corsa (i think...) backed by The Fall's 'Touch Sensitive'... ah well...i suppose it's time the old bugger made some REAL money...<< Blimey. That and the Velvet Underground's I'm sticking with you benig used by Hyundai. Makes a change from Moby I guess! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:55:53 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Attention Fall fans... MarkBursa in reply... >Blimey. That and the Velvet Underground's I'm sticking with you benig used >by Hyundai. ...and not forgetting 'Venus In Furs'...which was a Pirelli ad wasnt it...? ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:30:11 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert reflected like a whore Thought i'd pass this info along to any Ideal Copyists who might be interested: ATP festival featuring Coil, Autechre, Parmegiani etc. The website is http://www.wayahead.com/atp/main.htm n.p. Phuture - "Acid Trax" from the excellent compilation Acid House Classics...by the way, acid house was "punk" to me....... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:39:26 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 05:59:08PM +0100, Keith Knight wrote: > It's definitely happening - an event based around Iain Sinclair's new book > 'London Orbital'. Wire will be performing 'new music'. Details are at > http://www.barbican.org.uk/generic/details.asp?eventID=1280&artFormID=2&artF > orm=music. > > I Like Sinclair and most of the other participants so I'll probably go. I'm sorely tempted to go myself: it falls, as avid followers of the zodiac thread (ahem) will know, on my 22nd birthday, so it sounds like a decent way to spend it. :) Anyone else likely to go? - - Andrew - -- "I know it's true, all I do counts for confusion, Innocence making a case for illusion..." - - the Delgados, "Everything Goes Around the Water" ('Peloton') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:59:29 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: time reflected like a whore? In a message dated 8/26/02 1:49:29 PM GMT Daylight Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > Tin Machine? I didn't like the music at all [except > for You belong in R&R], but was amazed by Bowie's decission to form such a > band. It's not exactly taking the easy way out imo. He could've also just > cash in with a greatest hits show. > ////aw , c'mon bart. he's done at least 2 farewell greatest hits "i'm never gonna play these old songs again" tours that i can recall. probably more. then cashed in some more with his bowie bonds. i think we've just had the 5th cd version of ziggy released.this guy is an absolute master at cashing in and has the bank balance to prove it , don't be fooled by that cheeky cockney patter. tin machine was launched post-grunge so that was exactly the flavour of that moment , it crashed and burnt because it stank so badly rather than because it was any great original or artistic statement. enough bowie , please. who's going to brighton then? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:49:30 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: time reflected like a whore? At 02:59 PM 8/26/2002 -0400, PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > tin machine was launched post-grunge so that was exactly the flavour of that >moment , it crashed and burnt because it stank so badly rather than because >it was any great original or artistic statement. Oh, good god. Tin Machine was launched in *1989*, two full years before the "grunge" label meant diddly in sales. Feel free to go on hating it with the same vehemence, but at least get your facts straight. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:07:27 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: time reflected like a whore? ok , let's go for "post-pixies" then. allegedly "surfer rosa" was bowies fave album of all time around that point so i guess that's what he was trying to tap into. apologies for my lack of clear recall of dates (particularly tin machine ones) , its been a long week :-)p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:43:34 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: time reflected like a whore In a message dated 8/24/02 3:33:03 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << > isn't there so many more interesting people to go investigate? Not really no...>>> uh oh...that's gonna get you a long list of obscure "punk" bands to peruse as well as a right smacking from the Hick Stick.... see "little wonder" as a classic dance track (but don't > own a single dance record of the last 20 years) . to each their own i > guess.......>>>>>>> er...you might have missed some really great records! I know what you're saying. If DB's doing it then it's OK. Otherwise...that's the 'sad' side of being a fan that I suspect a lot of us are susceptible to. Hands up who would have bought that Erasure single if Wir weren't involved!>>>>> my hand is in the air....(remember, i like ALL that is 80's crap...and if a crap 80's band can push it into the 90's then i'm on it) NP a King Tubby compilation>>>>> niiiiiice! RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:45:32 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Star signs i'm june 27th , cancer , which allegedly means hard on the outside and soft on the inside , i will commment no further on that one. you know neil spencer , NME editor in the punk years , now writes the horoscopes in the observer newspaper?p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:49:56 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show Tickets #20, #17, #13 and #10 To purchase discount tickets, please contact the Box Office on 020 7638 8891. If you wish to book a group of TEN OR MORE tickets please call our Groups Administrator on 020 7382 7211 (weekdays 10am - 5pm). Discounts are available on many performances. ///////(above pasted off their website) what sort of idealcopy massive discount d'you think we'd get then :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:15:14 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show > >>Tickets #20, #17, #13 and #10 > To purchase discount tickets, please contact the Box Office on 020 7638 > 8891. > > > If you wish to book a group of TEN OR MORE tickets please call our Groups > Administrator on 020 7382 7211 (weekdays 10am - 5pm). Discounts are > available > on many performances. > > ///////(above pasted off their website) what sort of idealcopy massive > discount d'you think we'd get then :-) p<< > > Shall we hire the Royal Box?? > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:41:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] No No No No No No Mr Suit!/finale! FINALLY someone responds to my (er,um ok alright already)shitty sense of humor.Ari - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > From: RLynn9@aol.com > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:57:02 EDT > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] No No No No No No Mr Shit! > To: luvjazzz@yahoo.com > > In a message dated 8/24/02 7:35:11 AM Central > Daylight Time, > luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: > > << ROBERT! I don't believe no-one noticed i changed > one > letter in the 'subject line' from no no no no no > mr.suit'to > no no no no no mr. shit! > Ari >> > > > HAHAHHAHAHHAHA! > > RL ===== Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:54:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rumoured Barbican show - --- Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 05:59:08PM +0100, Keith > Knight wrote: > > It's definitely happening - an event based around > Iain Sinclair's new book > > 'London Orbital'. Wire will be performing 'new > music'. Details are at > > > http://www.barbican.org.uk/generic/details.asp?eventID=1280&artFormID=2&artF > > orm=music. > > > > I Like Sinclair and most of the other participants > so I'll probably go. > > I'm sorely tempted to go myself: it falls, as avid > followers of the zodiac > thread (ahem) will know, on my 22nd birthday, so it > sounds like a decent > way to spend it. :) > > Anyone else likely to go? > > - Andrew > >ANYONE know at this stage wether it'l be broadcast by auntie?Ari Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:35:19 -0500 (CDT) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] escaping bore-drums This is not a love song Phil Collins; it's about residual effects! Sleep deprivation mimics past life euphoria enough as to enjoy it free & legal (me: ~12 yrs cash savings, jail free, & quasi intact)! Twisting Robert Lynn's R/X (LOL!) as perhaps an oral tampon, I'll fade back into the shadows and contemplate toxic shock syndrome some somnambulist night. Really, my error with dental visit / drill, fill, bill / no anesthesia comments ending with no thanks, Dr Robert; intentions were to decline drugs in Beatlesque. I had thought George Harrison commented long ago about "dentist" Dr Robert. Wrong! http://www.iamthebeatles.com/article1137.html Along the lines of drill, fill, bill: http://www.amiright.com/parody/misc/thebeatles50.shtml And what's this link, Beatles galore, as well as many other bands, but no Wire? http://www.rockmine.music.co.uk/B_Links/CyBeLink.html So who's next on the chopping block? How about the scalings of Eric Clapton and Stevie Ray Vaughn? In the mean time, no footsi-footsi here: http://www.shaggs.com/ More fun than the B-52's? Maybe... http://www.coolandstrange.com/elva/elva.html Finally, http://www.burningman.com is now. Expensive, but addictive. read & burn, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:38:58 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] coulda woulda shoulda speaking very obliquely of which, last week i visited a dentist wed afternoon for a checkup for the first time in something like 15 months (the last time i was actually in a dentist's chair, to get a temporary crown replaced, it happened to be the morning of 9/11) ... i've *always* averaged 1-2 cavities per visit (someone once told me such tendencies are congenital with the irish, of which i have copious amounts on both sides), despite some 13 years of religiously flossing & (of course) brushing ... so what happens after being so exhausted working insane hours that i probably haven't flossed 10 times since moving here 9 months ago? no cavities whatsoever. hmmm ... dan ><< Feel reality in your dentist's chair twice a year without > anesthetic gas or novacaine and zone with your own endorphins while your > 'drilled, filled, & billed'; it's just for now, no thanks dr robert. > Row, row, row your boat ... > voyteck >> > >now just because i prescribed tampons for a certain grumpy fellow does not >qualify me as a doctor! > >n.p. - more crap 80's music: TUXEDOMOON - "DESIRE" > >Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:58:58 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: time reflected like a whore? Paul: > aw , c'mon bart. he's done at least 2 farewell greatest hits "i'm never > gonna play these old songs again" tours that i can recall. probably more. > then cashed in some more with his bowie bonds. i think we've just had the 5th > cd version of ziggy released.this guy is an absolute master at cashing in and > has the bank balance to prove it , don't be fooled by that cheeky cockney > patter. If an artist finally learns to make money instead of being screwed by some manager or recordcompany I say good for him/her! > tin machine was launched post-grunge so that was exactly the flavour of that > moment , it crashed and burnt because it stank so badly rather than because > it was any great original or artistic statement. Miles: > Oh, good god. Tin Machine was launched in *1989*, two full years before > the "grunge" label meant diddly in sales. Feel free to go on hating it > with the same vehemence, but at least get your facts straight. Paul again: > ok , let's go for "post-pixies" then. allegedly "surfer rosa" was bowies fave > album of all time around that point so i guess that's what he was trying to > tap into. apologies for my lack of clear recall of dates (particularly tin > machine ones) , its been a long week :-)p If [by that time] 80's superstar Bowie was so struck by a young and wild band as the Pixies [Surfer Rosa time] he obviously came [back] to his senses as to where his place in music should be. Again, good for him! He's always been the "Zelig" of rock/pop. Some people like him for that and some don't. I guess you don't, but I don't think either his money or his accent have anything to do with anything. You take a nice rest from your long week Paul. ;-) Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #281 *******************************