From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #269 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, August 17 2002 Volume 05 : Number 269 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Overdubbed Flag [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Annual 'Did I really post that on Amazon' award goes to... [Norm Fasey ] [idealcopy] OT The Coral [Tim ] [idealcopy] OT: Hick is Rik? [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Wah hoo!!! / REASON [Bart van Damme Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Overdubbed Flag Hi Graeme Thanks for the link...I live near this one and I never heard of it before...worth a visit methinks...like the sound of B Adamson & Pansonic gonna check it out Hope the government enforced labour scheme aint doin' your head in btw keep on keepin' on as the redskins used to say later A Sound 323 323 Archway Road, Highgate London, N6 5AA, UK > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Hick [mailto:umur_ot@hotmail.com] > Sent: 16 August 2002 00:47 > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] Overdubbed Flag > > > >>>I'm sure Bruce's PF sound is down to pedals rather than > just amps... > > Also overdubbing: > > Multiple guitar tracks > to create > Illusion of > DENSITY > > Cracked Machine > Highly Irregular Cyberzine > http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine > > NP Fennesz / Van Bergen / Prins - Dawn > (www.churchofgrob.com) > > "Everything turns to shit > And I know I'm next!" > > (No Trend - Two Seconds 'Til Non Existance) > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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And shame to you for that! ;-) So here for your edjakashun: Gerrit Rietveld, along with "De Stijl" movement [the very same that's strangely enough so much credited by The White Stripes] was an architect/designer, pioneer of modernism and as such a shining example for great architects/designers as Le Corbusier and Mies van der Rohe. Most famous are his revolutionary Rietveld Chair and the Rietveld-Schroder house in Utrecht [see link below] "De Stijl, a movement originating in the work of painters like Mondrian and artist-designers like van Doesburg, van der Leck, Rietveld and van Tongerloo. As with the Bauhaus, De Stijl developed an aesthetic of purified geometry, and aimed to unify fine and applied arts. To a great extent the two movements have merged in their huge influence on subsequent art and design developments." http://www.centraalmuseum.nl/eng_/eng_riet/index.html > (thinks: can't be Rietveld analysis, surely. Only mineral-physics > nerds, comme moi, know about that.) You mean the method for extracting detailed crystal structural information from X-ray and neutron powder diffraction data? Nah, that must've been Gerrit's demented cousin! ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:04:47 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] peel / tour / Rietveld On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 10:47:10AM +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > Andrew: > > > Which Rietveld? An artist this uncultured soul hasn't encountered? > > And shame to you for that! ;-) So here for your edjakashun: Fascinating! Thank you. > > (thinks: can't be Rietveld analysis, surely. Only mineral-physics > > nerds, comme moi, know about that.) > > You mean the method for extracting detailed crystal structural information > from X-ray and neutron powder diffraction data? > Nah, that must've been Gerrit's demented cousin! ;-) Isn't Google wonderful? :) (and yes, that is what I was referring to. It's staggeringly useful for something which is just least-squares minimization dressed up.) - - Andrew - -- "You think I'm dead, but I sail away ..." - the Pixies, "Wave of Mutilation" ('Doolittle') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:20:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Norm Fasey Subject: [idealcopy] Annual 'Did I really post that on Amazon' award goes to... ...The poor idiot who wrote this review on www.amazon.co.uk for the Pink Flag album. "Reviewer: (aracooper@btinternet.com) from England Although the rest of Pink flags albums are good, this one wasnt the best. I sat down and listned to 15 mins of it and turned it off." He got it wrong on so many levels! I bet he had to change his email address after writing this review as the flames licked out of his PC!! I might just drop him a line to say Hi :). Norm ===== - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d? s:+ a+ C++ UL++ P+ L+++ E W+ N+++ o-- K- w O- M V PS PE+++ Y PGP++ t+ 5 X++ R* tv+ b++ DI++ D+ G e++ h-- r+++ z* - ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:43:34 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Annual 'Did I really post that on Amazon' award goes to... > "Reviewer: (aracooper@btinternet.com) from England > Although the rest of Pink flags albums are good, this > one wasnt the best. I sat down and listned to 15 mins > of it and turned it off." So the stupid bugger only mist 1.58 minutes of Agfers! What a statement! Btw, I believe I haven't said hi to you yet Norm, so: "hi" Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 05:48:38 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Turn the Heater on In a message dated 16/8/02 9:31:40 am, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << It' too bad. I really like NO's cover of Turn the Heater On. Eric In Toronto >> Original by Keith Hudson, yes? Does anyone know where this can be found? ta Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:59:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Annual 'Did I really post that on Amazon' award goes to... > "Reviewer: (aracooper@btinternet.com) from England > Although the rest of Pink flags albums are good, > this > one wasnt the best. I sat down and listned to 15 > mins > of it and turned it off." > > He got it wrong on so many levels! > > I bet he had to change his email address after > writing > this review as the flames licked out of his PC!! I > might just drop him a line to say Hi :). > > Norm do it do it and be nice,y'hear?Ari > > > ===== > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.1 > GCS d? s:+ a+ C++ UL++ P+ L+++ E W+ N+++ o-- K- w > O- M V PS PE+++ Y PGP++ t+ 5 X++ R* tv+ b++ DI++ D+ > G e++ h-- r+++ z* > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com ===== Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:45:12 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Sandinista actually, i think it's because my expectations of the band were near-impossibly high. the first lp is in my own top 5 or so (after pink flag & unknown pleasures & roughly tied with bollocks, inflammable material, chairs missing, i'm stranded, death church, etc), & while give 'em enough rope isn't nearly the lp the s/t is, i've got a soft spot for it because it's the first clash i ever heard, thanks to cbs' refusal for so long to release the debut over here, to the extent that safe european home, with its opening gunshot of a drum crack, remains possibly my favorite song by them ever. as for london calling, i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one here who's expressed disappointed in large chunks of that one recently. dan >> dunno ... as i may've noted before, i was so put off by the 2nd half of >> london calling that i didn't bother picking up sandinista (& then only on >> cassette) till the mid-'90s. was so unimpressed that i doubt i've played it >> halfway through yet. (& for anyone wondering, i own combat rock & cut the >> crap only because a friend culling her collection mailed 'em to me -- along >> with, um, a couple each by tears for fears & inxs -- gratis.) >> >> dan > >Well, it seems you just don't like the Clash all that much Dan. ;-) > >I'm not sure what the effects are when you first listen to Sandinista in the >90's [or now], but when it came out it very much seemed the right record at >the right time. For me it's impossible to separate the album from the time >in wich it was released cause that was what gave it such a surplus value. >It's like listening to Bollocks for the first time today. I guess some >records are more commentaries of their time than others. > >Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:46:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Norm Fasey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Annual 'Did I really post that on Amazon' award goes to... His email address is no longer valid. He obviously got inundated with Flame emails. :) Norm - --- Ari Britt wrote: > do it do it and be nice,y'hear?Ari ===== - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d? s:+ a+ C++ UL++ P+ L+++ E W+ N+++ o-- K- w O- M V PS PE+++ Y PGP++ t+ 5 X++ R* tv+ b++ DI++ D+ G e++ h-- r+++ z* - ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:17:20 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Annual 'Did I really post that on Amazon' award goes to... I prefer this review from Amazon: >i reckon that this is one of the classic punk albums. The songs are short >and fast, the lyrics are quite meaningful. Not exactly Paul Morley is he? Someone has even taken the time to vote to say the review was useful! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 02:22:00 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Punk is Dead! Before the evil conspiracy ate him, William wrote: > >>>This was more exciting than any moshpit punky guitar bollocks, > >So says someone who didn't make it to ICA Why? Did Wire play punky guitar bollocks at the ICA? I read that there was no moshpit, apart from two throwbacks who tried to get a pogo on during The Lowdown. >I'm sure you're actually more in a position to find out about 'punk rock' than >many of the other regular posters to this list, But some people on this list lived through the actual Punk. I'd rather hear their stories then try and re-enact it all...Sealed Knot stylie > living in Manchester where >there are many punk rock gigs (which you never go to) I wouldn't go and see a Punk Rock gig because I'm not interested in listening to a band that calls itself Punk or Hardcore in the year 2002. My Punk Rock world begins and ends with Pink Flag...and I prefer the slower, moodier tracks on that one anyway. And besides, I wouldn't want Cider and gob all over my nice clean suit. >lets not get bogged down in the what is punk discussion Quite agree. >Andrew was asking the question of what punk is and Paul R said read Englands >Dreaming. but if you buy the convenient media lie / line >that he peddles, that punk was over around the time that book finishes I've met Jon Savage and he had a very nice suit on, and told me a funny story about Tony Wilson. >you are making a > >BIG MISTAKE No but the best bits were finished. Punk had done its job, no-one was listening to ELP and Genesis anymore and lots of interesting things followed. Why re-hash the past? Who wants to be a "punk" in 2002?. Invent something new. >You won't find 'essence of punk' (whatever that is) in a book. You certainly >won't find it in a glossy monthly magazine. >Maybe you'll find it at a gig in a semi-secret location, advertised by word of >mouth, Ooh, Like a sort of secret club. Do you get a special badge? Zzzzzzzzzz. >Last night I was at such >an event where three fine bands (Redbank [of the Wirral], This Ain't Vegas [of >Sunderland] & And None of Them Knew They Were Robots [of Leeds]) rocked my >world. Bet they'd all sign to Mr Sony if he came a-knockin'. I know I would. >Or maybe you'll find it in a small comic written by an anarchist girl from >Brighton? Will she still be an anarchist when she grows up to be a Woman? >Or maybe you'll find it a WIRE gig? I would have hoped Wire were way beyond being part of some retro, cider-swilling, bad trouser-wearing Punk thing. >But catch it quick, they might not be there for long... Oh fuck I missed it. Never mind, here comes the new wave of nu-electronic-mindfuck-droogmongerdelic-spazrock. Grrrreat. > >>>It was fast, loud, angry and DIY. > >So is a drunk truck driver with a drill And if he did a gig, you'd be in the front row dude! ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 02:41:11 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] OT The Coral I like this. 19 year old kids from Hoylake, looking out wistfully across the Wirral penninsula, singing about perils on the high seas. Liverpool is etched deeply into every groove and scratch on this record and it should be filed next to Teardrops, Bunnymean and KLF. And Liverpools adopted band, Love. Everything on this record is very unfashionable and uncool.....and thank god for that. can't wait for their fourth LP. If this lot discover '154' we're in for a treat! Its like Punk finished in 1978! ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:12:59 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Hick is Rik? William Hick wrote: >Tomorrow I've got to start 26 weeks of terminal boredom being exploited by >some joke con company set up to save crap unnecessary businesses the trouble >of paying workers fair wages. I might get let off with good behaviour after 13 >weeks. I've cheered myself up a little by deciding to smuggle in a tape >recorder, ask a few questions and see if I can come up with an article >condemning the farce of 'New orDeal.' In other words he's got to get a job like the rest of us. The Moneys no good. Just get a grip on yourself! I've just been watching series One of 'The Young Ones' on DVD, and I am struck by how much Rik reminds me of Bill Hick....of course his Idol would be Bruce Gilbert rather than Cliff Richard, but otherwise the similarities are uncanny! Nosin' Aroun', Nosin Aroun'.................. ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:05:54 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wah hoo!!! / REASON Paul: > i do have a question for the music makers (hopefully mac users too) > though...what software is easy and good for importing/recording sound, > looping, and layering/multi-tracking? maybe a suggestion for the guy (me) on > a very low budget would be good too! i just plunked down a huge wad on the > imac, i'm not in the market for a protools kinda thing...under $100 would be > great. the cheaper the better. i need need bells and whistles. just good and > easy. I found an [email] interview with Graham Lewis: =============================================== U: What is your current setup? Are there any instruments that you've sold over the years but that you wish you'd kept? GL: The centre is a Mac running Logic and Reason, Beyer Dynamic DT250 Headphones, a Mackie desk plus my old analogue and digital gear. I've only sold amplification over the years but have had several well liked basses, guitar fx and keyboards stolen. =============================================== I recently got a copy of the above mentioned Reason [mine is 1.0] program, but I haven't found the time yet to explore it. I therefor can't tell you much about it, but if you need a copy just gimme a call Paul. But first you can try: http://www.propellerheads.se Downloadable demos of Reason [2.0] are available from the Propellerheads Web site. Separate downloads exist for Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X. You COULD ask master Graham himself for some advice of course, I mean, didn't he post that mad enthousiastic R&B01 review to the list? [so you probably have his mail-address] http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0206/18.reason.php So... both Graham and Colin have Mac's at the centre of their work. Apple could make an advert with 'em - Comet in background of course! ;-) Anyone know what Bruce uses? Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #269 *******************************