From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #268 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, August 16 2002 Volume 05 : Number 268 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] St Arkansas ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] peel / tour / Noddy Holder & Jim Lea [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] peel / tour / finest drops [Bart van Damme ] RE: [idealcopy] peel / tour / finest drops [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Kevin Hewick/Factory Records/blatant plugging [RLynn9] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Kevin Hewick/Factory Records/blatant plugging [MarkBu] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Kevin Hewick/Factory Records/blatant plugging [RLynn9] Re: [idealcopy] peel / tour / finest drops [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] peel / tour / finest drops ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] New Order Peel Sessions ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] OT:for a bit of fun...... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] OT:re Zappa...... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Overdubbed Flag ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Sandinista ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Sandinista [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:49:52 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] St Arkansas I love it. Particularly keen on the second track for some reason. The production is interesting. Plenty of spaces. John >From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] St Arkansas >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:28:39 -0400 > >John Roberts wrote: > >>np Pere Ubu - St Arkansas > >What's your opinion? I can't get this album off my CD player for the third >week now... > >Syarzhuk > >Be healthy, stay wealthy... > >Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com http://www.captive.co.uk/bocca/ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:03:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] peel / tour << well, the notes say that "all artist royalties from the sale of this record will be donated to childline," though i spose that *could* be code for keeping wayne in the style to which he's become accustomed. (i presume he's the one psuedonymed "slink" on the ep. so who're "hipster looney", "rick spangle" & "lucky mick"? >> Noddy Holder & Jim Lea, no less, plus the drummer out of the Mission (who one presumes is Lucky Mick). Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:26:49 +0100 From: jez Subject: [idealcopy] calling Mr.Silverup Thanks for Halo CD. Please email me! Jez ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:58:16 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] peel / tour / Noddy Holder & Jim Lea > Noddy Holder & Jim Lea, no less, plus the drummer out of the Mission (who one > presumes is Lucky Mick). Takes me back to early teens - room with Slade, Alice Cooper and Roxy posters on the wall. Nice... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:26:20 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] peel / tour Just one of many things that make your place better than mine (imho) A > -----Original Message----- > From: Bart van Damme [mailto:bartvandamme@home.nl] > Sent: 15 August 2002 07:35 > To: wire-news > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] peel / tour > > > > (or Antwerp) > > Only one of these will provide the opportunity for > > buying a coupla bottles o' genever for xmas tho'...8-] > > > Hey, that's OUR national drink! ;-P > > Bart > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:44:13 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] St Arkansas >I love it. Particularly keen on the second track for some reason. "Slow Walking Daddy" (2nd track) is great. My other favorites - "333", "Phone Home Jonah", "Dark", "Lisbon" - easily half of the album! And the other half isn't bad either. >The production is interesting. Plenty of spaces. Oh yes - the guitar work on "Dark" is just enchanting, isn't it? And I love the fake techno chords in the beginning of "Lisbon" Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:57:18 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Kevin Hewick/Factory Records/blatant plugging Oh! well...nevermind! i hate that BBC concert the sound sucks...and i already have the Joy Division peel sessions cd..thanks Mark! RL //////////////////// It' too bad. I really like NO's cover of Turn the Heater On. Eric In Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:09:42 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] St Arkansas am playing it even as i type (well, actually the final track -- sort of a pere ubu take on roadrunner, i'd say), but must note that of the highway numbers depicted on the cd cover do indeed seem to be taken from my home state, with 49 going through brinkley, arkansas (home of louis jordan) & 61 lying near the delta (& memphis), on the other side of the state from my spawning grounds. hell, maybe the spot portrayed is in hernando (as in "the fevered dream of h desoto"). on the other hand, saw an ad for bloodshot records (the only label i consciously collect, depending upon whether one views pinkflag as a going concern, i guess) last night that shows the road sign for u.s. 278 with arrows for nashville (ark, not tenn) & hope (bill clinton's hometown, where last i looked my first ex-wife is still city manager), very much near my old stomping grounds a few miles from the texas & louisiana borders. what's with all this arkansas chic 2 1/2 years after clinton's departure from the bully pulpit? dan >>I love it. Particularly keen on the second track for some reason. > >"Slow Walking Daddy" (2nd track) is great. My other favorites - "333", >"Phone Home Jonah", "Dark", "Lisbon" - easily half of the album! And the >other half isn't bad either. > >>The production is interesting. Plenty of spaces. >Oh yes - the guitar work on "Dark" is just enchanting, isn't it? And I love >the fake techno chords in the beginning of "Lisbon" > >Syarzhuk > >Be healthy, stay wealthy... > >Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:20:55 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] peel / tour / finest drops Alistair: > Just one of many things that make your place > better than mine (imho) Are you kidding me? You'd trade in the UK's [and especially Ireland's] rich whiskey tradition for something like... genever? Never touch that stuff myself [except for sometimes my father's old Ketel-genever (Schiedam) wich is truely devine]. Goes to show that the grass is always greener on the other side. Girlfriend and I are sometimes seriously considering crossing the Channel for at least a longer period of time. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:31:47 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-punknstuff... > I once had a German girlfriend who told me that the > British were always saying 'sorry'..............Ari Though as for germans... ;-) Bart [sorry sorry] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:47:34 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] peel / tour / finest drops Bart Boozing aside (I don't drink whisky but I've seen some of the results of the 'whisky culture' in Glasgow) I kind of meant the general atmosphere seems better to me over there (Benelux) The ambience feels more relaxed and the citizenry more at ease with things...Thatcher's gang fucked up everything that was good about this place and 'new labour' ain't gonna make it better... remember we have the biggest gap in europe between the disgustingly rich and the hapless poor... Can't imagine the Brits being terrorised by gangs of undereducated drunken tabloid-reading bare-chested tattooed xenophobic morons from Holland or Belgium... But ask the bar owners of Ostende or Amsterdam about *our* lovely children... of course being on holiday makes a difference :-} Ireland's another country btw... later A 'This is a drudge nation a nation of no imagination' The Fall 'spectre v rector' > > Goes to show that the grass is always greener on the other > side. Girlfriend > and I are sometimes seriously considering crossing the > Channel for at least > a longer period of time. ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:51:48 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Sandinista Keith/Syarzhuk: >> Sandinista - Some great tracks, but way way too much fodder.... > So what? The fodder is WAY better than pretty much 95% of stuff you hear on > the radio and if you don't like it - just sort it out! It's not a great > album, sure, but a pretty decent one, especially considering the price. [bit late with this one - still working my way back through holidaymail] For me Sandinista is fucking fabulous all over! An outburst of creativity that's difficult to match! I also really like it as a whole. Though it being the soundtrack of an important period in my life certainly helps. Also the best one the Clash made imo. About the fodder... I think it fits nicely in the late 70's dubby athmos... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:27:14 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Kevin Hewick/Factory Records/blatant plugging In a message dated 8/15/02 8:58:51 AM Central Daylight Time, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: << It' too bad. I really like NO's cover of Turn the Heater On. Eric In Toronto >> i have this on vinyl...has it ever been on cd?? RL np - Astrobotnia 1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:47:36 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Kevin Hewick/Factory Records/blatant plugging > i have this on vinyl...has it ever been on cd?? > Yes. Both the Peel sessions were issued on CD. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:53:42 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Kevin Hewick/Factory Records/blatant plugging In a message dated 8/15/02 10:47:36 AM Central Daylight Time, Mark Bursa writes: << Yes. Both the Peel sessions were issued on CD. Mark >> one cd or two separate? RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:03:00 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] peel / tour / finest drops > Boozing aside (I don't drink whisky but I've seen some of the results > of the 'whisky culture' in Glasgow) Abuse indeed is a whole different story... I doesn't come to [my] mind when I think of this lovely nectar. In Holland it is genever that often has been the cause of familydramas and such. > I kind of meant > the general atmosphere seems better to me over there > (Benelux) The ambience feels more relaxed and the > citizenry more at ease with things... Thatcher's gang > fucked up everything that was good about this place > and 'new labour' ain't gonna make it better... > remember we have the biggest gap in europe between > the disgustingly rich and the hapless poor... I guess you're right and I often feel the same way too, but I'm sure if you ask anybody in any land if their country has improved over the years you'll get no for an answer. It's the same in my country - lot's of people feel unsafe nowadays [and I'm sure 9-11-2001 didn't help matters much]. But the funny thing is, when you look back it often isn't really a prettier picture [70's Vietnam, 80's the coldwar nuclear threat or mass-uneployment]. I sometimes think if that feeling of "everything is going down the drain" hasn't something to do with our own [lack of] mental flexability, or, on a larger scale, even our own mortality. I wonder if being a young kid nowadays really is all that different, essentially. My wanting to go to Britain had also something to do with being quite bored with the flatness of the land here. Mondriaan [or Rietveld] only could have been Dutch! I know France is "hilly" too, but I know it too well from my childhood years holidays and I never could make a connection with the people there. Funny, but I don't recall any French on this list, are there? > Can't imagine the Brits being terrorised by gangs > of undereducated drunken tabloid-reading bare-chested > tattooed xenophobic morons from Holland or Belgium... > But ask the bar owners of Ostende or Amsterdam about > *our* lovely children... Our undereducated drunken tabloid-reading bare-chested tattooed xenophobic morons tend to go to Spain for their holidays so you Brits seem safe for now. ;-) So I guess I'm lucky to live in Groningen then. Hardly any tattooed hooligans here [except for our own FC Groningen fans]. But xenophobes... they've just been elected in our government. Holland isn't the tolerant little country it used to be I'm afraid. There's only just been quite a nasty rightwing revolution here and it seems we're stuck with them for a while. > Ireland's another country btw... Sure. Didn't I put it separately? Sorry 'bout that. Cheese, Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:09:45 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] peel / tour / finest drops On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 06:03:00PM +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > > Boozing aside (I don't drink whisky but I've seen some of the results > > of the 'whisky culture' in Glasgow) > > Abuse indeed is a whole different story... I doesn't come to [my] mind when > I think of this lovely nectar. In Holland it is genever that often has been > the cause of familydramas and such. [...] For my (Edinburgh) family, it was vodka. Vodka and beer, and for the kids the notorious Buckfast, seem to be the self-obliteration tools of choice around there. > My wanting to go to Britain had also something to do with being quite bored > with the flatness of the land here. Mondriaan [or Rietveld] only could have Which Rietveld? An artist this uncultured soul hasn't encountered? (thinks: can't be Rietveld analysis, surely. Only mineral-physics nerds, comme moi, know about that.) - - Andrew - -- "I call, and I collect; (So just strike him softly, away from the body..." - - Blur, "Trouble in the Message Centre" ('Parklife') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:40:26 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] peel / tour > dare i even suggest anything for 9/16 in commemoration of > the 25th anniversary of marc bolan's death, keith? I was thinking of going down to London this year for it (and a party!), but haven't done anything about it as yet. I went down for the 10th anniversary and visited 'the tree'- yeah I know it's sad! - but there were people there who seemed to think it was a competition who could look the most morose. They got on my nerves to be honest... On a brighter note, I went to a fans party that night and manged to get Bill Legend's autograph! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:47:12 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] peel / tour / finest drops > Can't imagine the Brits being terrorised by gangs > of undereducated drunken tabloid-reading bare-chested > tattooed xenophobic morons from Holland or Belgium... > But ask the bar owners of Ostende or Amsterdam about > *our* lovely children... I think we've all probably been embarrassed by our fellow Brits whilst 'abroad'. I remember a load coming into our regular bar in Crete yrs ago and just going mad. Thankfully they didn't stay long. I found myself apologising for them to the barstaff who we knew pretty well, which proves Ari's point I suppose that we're always saying sorry... Keith NP Curtis Mayfield - Curtis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:59:00 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] peel / tour / finest drops > >>Which Rietveld? An artist this uncultured soul hasn't encountered?<< Furniture designer, Mondrian-inspired Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:56:30 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: new order peel sessions In a message dated 8/15/02 11:54:14 AM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > ><< Yes. Both the Peel sessions were issued on CD. > > Mark >> > > > one cd or two separate? castle communications released the bbc archives peel sessions, with the strange fruit catalog #s. the first new order one, with turn the heater on, we all stand, too late, and 5-8-6 is sfps001. the other one is sfps039. - -paul c.d. p.s. speaking of turning on...my coworker loves pink flag. he says r&b will take some getting used to, but i think he's already looking forward to seeing them live. chalk up another the wire fan :o) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:35:56 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Sandinista At 04:51 PM 8/15/2002 +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: >Keith/Syarzhuk: > >>> Sandinista - Some great tracks, but way way too much fodder.... >> So what? The fodder is WAY better than pretty much 95% of stuff you hear on >> the radio and if you don't like it - just sort it out! It's not a great >> album, sure, but a pretty decent one, especially considering the price. > > >[bit late with this one - still working my way back through holidaymail] >For me Sandinista is fucking fabulous all over! An outburst of creativity >that's difficult to match! I also really like it as a whole. Though it being >the soundtrack of an important period in my life certainly helps. Also the >best one the Clash made imo. About the fodder... I think it fits nicely in >the late 70's dubby athmos... I'll gladly second Bart on this one: SANDINISTA! is my very favorite Clash album, #3 on my list of all-time favorites, and IMO it doesn't have any filler at all. Someday I will write the long, annotated, contentious essay I've promised for years where I defend every track on the album. later, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:54:23 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] New Order Peel Sessions MarkB on the first two New Order Peel Sessions... >Yes. Both the Peel sessions were issued on CD. ...and also on the 12" bootleg 'Radio Signals Coming Through'... ;) the version of '586' kills me every time i hear it... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:15:20 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - big boring playlist haven't done this for a while, nothing particularly exciting for some i would suspect. i suppose if i'm going to do this, i might as well make it a biggee...here goes...from the last couple of months or so... The Monkees - Headquarters (on CD, at last...the first LP i ever bought) Sonic Youth - Murray St Super Furry Animals - Radiator / Rings Around The World The White Stripes - White Blood Cells The Heartbreakers - L.A.M.F. (surely a touchstone LP re the new garage/punk explosion...???) Eno - Taking Tiger Mountain / Here Come The Warm Jets / Another Green World Lee Perry - Arkology I-Roy - Don't Check Me With No Lightweight Stuff David Thomas & Two Pale Boys - Meadville / Erewhon Go Back Snowball - Calling Zero The Shins - Oh, Inverted World Eric Matthews - It's Heavy In Here The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour / Room To Live The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots Pere Ubu - Terminal Tower Dr. John - Gris-Gris The Pogues - The Very Best Of... The Adverts - Crossing The Red Sea Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True / Get Happy Cabaret Voltaire - 2 x 45 XTC - A Coat Of Many Cupboards John Fahey - America Terry Edwards & The Scapegoats - I Didn't Get Where I Am Today Leonard Cohen - Greatest Hits The Undertones - Positive Touch / The Sin Of Pride The Modern Lovers - s/t Sebadoh - Harmacy Cat Power - Moon Pix Bob Dylan - Blonde On Blonde Joy Division - Substance Jim O'Rourke - Halfway To A 3way / Bad Timing 'Miniatures' Queens Of The Stone Age - Rated R Quasi - Featuring Birds The For Carnation - s/t The Beach Boys - Surf's Up Karen Dalton - It's So Hard To Tell Who's Going To Love You The Best Tom Waits - Bone Machine Guided By Voices - Vampire On Titus / Propellor Scritti Politti - Cupid & Psyche 85 Shellac - 1000 Hurts Broken Dog - Zero My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything Bonnie Prince Billy - I See A Darkness ...and of course, every so often...Wire - Read & Burn... now where did i put that Ligeti LP...??? ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:46:28 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Liars/Coral The Liars album gets 8/10 in this wks NME. Says they've been listening to Vespertine, Notorious B.I.G. and the Best of The Mama's & Papa's of late. Not sure I believe all this groups current playlist thing that NME prints for major releases nowadays. I mean, were The Coral really listening to a Johnny Mathis compilation recently??? Whilst on the subject of The Coral, their debut album is a fascinating record. Teardrop Explodes fans like myself are bound to like a lot of it - the opening track with it's 'We set sails' line is reminiscent of Kilamanjaro (the track, not the LP) - but as the papers have said, their influences are diverse. You can hear traces of Ghost Town, Love, Scott Walker, Shack, superior 60's beat stuff (can't quite pinpoint who they remind me of from that era), etc. And there's even one track that sounds like Beefheart. Ultimately though, it's majorly LIVERPOOL - from Merseybeat to the school of '79 to Michael Head - young Skelly sounds like he's been exposed to the city's finest since he was a tot. He wears his city on his sleeve - they've even got Ian Broudie in to produce it! Very retro admittedly, but already they've developed their own sound within all their influences. They're The Coral and they write good songs. So if you like the sea shanty feel of Julian Cope singing 'If you've got a son, send the blighter off to sea', then this could be an album for you. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:08:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] OT:for a bit of fun...... .......go to www.sodaplay.com Ari(and don't blame me) ===== Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:19:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] OT:re Zappa...... www.news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jspstory=324447 > ===== Shriek at the world and the world shrieksback http://www.shriekback.com HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:47:24 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Overdubbed Flag >>>I'm sure Bruce's PF sound is down to pedals rather than just amps... Also overdubbing: Multiple guitar tracks to create Illusion of DENSITY Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Fennesz / Van Bergen / Prins - Dawn (www.churchofgrob.com) "Everything turns to shit And I know I'm next!" (No Trend - Two Seconds 'Til Non Existance) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:48:04 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Sandinista dunno ... as i may've noted before, i was so put off by the 2nd half of london calling that i didn't bother picking up sandinista (& then only on cassette) till the mid-'90s. was so unimpressed that i doubt i've played it halfway through yet. (& for anyone wondering, i own combat rock & cut the crap only because a friend culling her collection mailed 'em to me -- along with, um, a couple each by tears for fears & inxs -- gratis.) dan >At 04:51 PM 8/15/2002 +0200, Bart van Damme wrote: > >Keith/Syarzhuk: > > > >>> Sandinista - Some great tracks, but way way too much fodder.... > >> So what? The fodder is WAY better than pretty much 95% of stuff you hear on > >> the radio and if you don't like it - just sort it out! It's not a great > >> album, sure, but a pretty decent one, especially considering the price. > > > > > >[bit late with this one - still working my way back through holidaymail] > >For me Sandinista is fucking fabulous all over! An outburst of creativity > >that's difficult to match! I also really like it as a whole. Though it being > >the soundtrack of an important period in my life certainly helps. Also the > >best one the Clash made imo. About the fodder... I think it fits nicely in > >the late 70's dubby athmos... > >I'll gladly second Bart on this one: SANDINISTA! is my very favorite Clash >album, #3 on my list of all-time favorites, and IMO it doesn't have any >filler at all. Someday I will write the long, annotated, contentious essay >I've promised for years where I defend every track on the album. > >later, > >listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:30:00 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Sandinista > dunno ... as i may've noted before, i was so put off by the 2nd half of > london calling that i didn't bother picking up sandinista (& then only on > cassette) till the mid-'90s. was so unimpressed that i doubt i've played it > halfway through yet. (& for anyone wondering, i own combat rock & cut the > crap only because a friend culling her collection mailed 'em to me -- along > with, um, a couple each by tears for fears & inxs -- gratis.) > > dan Well, it seems you just don't like the Clash all that much Dan. ;-) I'm not sure what the effects are when you first listen to Sandinista in the 90's [or now], but when it came out it very much seemed the right record at the right time. For me it's impossible to separate the album from the time in wich it was released cause that was what gave it such a surplus value. It's like listening to Bollocks for the first time today. I guess some records are more commentaries of their time than others. Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #268 *******************************