From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #264 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, August 12 2002 Volume 05 : Number 264 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] ATP Bootleg (12X)U2 [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Neubauten [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Neubauten [Andrew Walkingshaw ] [idealcopy] Miss Lucifer ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Three Year Old Girl Rhumba ! ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Madman's Money ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Just a Minor Threat ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Depression ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Perfect just for SPIT! ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Grown Men Don't Fall in the River Just Like That!!! ["Bil] Re: [idealcopy] Miss Lucifer ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Depression ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Miss Lucifer ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Miss Lucifer [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Miss Lucifer ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ATP Bootleg (12X)U2 - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > --- Andrew Westmeyer wrote: > > > FYI they were also playing "Another Girl Another > Planet". Ugh. > > > > Oops, correction. It was "Another Time Another > Place". I read the > > title too quickly. Still, I bet this song sucked > too. > > You think Another Girl Another Planet sucked??? > > Off with his head, corporal!Keith WOULD THAT BE CORPORAL PUNISHMENT THEN ?Ari > > ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 03:48:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Neubauten I find their site intrigueing,but have no idea what they sound like or even what genre their music is.Anyone?Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:15:50 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Neubauten On Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 03:48:23AM -0700, Ari Britt wrote: > I find their site intrigueing,but have no idea what > they sound like or even what genre their music is.Anyone?Ari Einsturzende Neubaten - literally "Collapsing New Buildings" - often thought of as being the (or one of the) founders of "industrial" music. Their guitarist, Blixa Bargeld, is one of the Bad Seeds (Nick Cave's backing band). - - Andrew - -- "Maybe I'm crazy, maybe diminished; maybe I'm innocent, maybe I'm finished, Maybe I blacked out - how, how do I play this?" - - R.E.M. , 'Diminished' ("Up") adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:40:39 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mac [X] > anyway, bart, you will no doubt be excited (not as excited as i am of course) > to know that this is possibly the last email you'll receive from me on this > old mac!!! I'll treasure it forever & ever Paul! ;-) Congratulations with the new baby! [you got it quicker than I thought] > i'll be flyin high on my new imac in a couple hours. just gotta transfer > everything i want off this one and the other one first. I bet that OSX takes a bit getting used to, doesn't it? > :o) :oD > bart, that's me and you. i'm the guy on the right If I had one I'd go :-P hehehe... Cheers! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:08:20 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Miss Lucifer I know there's a few people here who can't stand Primal Scream - isn't it the one thing (Wire apart) that the Manchester members agree on - but for those of you who do like them and haven't heard the latest single, Miss Lucifer, it's a glorious two and a half minute ride that certainly livened up last weeks TOTP. Imagine a Suicide where Alan Vega says he wants to sound like Bolan and not Elvis, a Suicide who want to be produced by Gorgio Moroder, a Suicide doing a Stooges cover, a Suicide that's just heard Krautrock for the very first time. And then let messrs Gillespie, Shields, etc get their dirty little mitts over it. Like Kawalski and Swastika Eyes, a genuinely exciting 45 IMO. Keith NP Sonic Youth - nyc ghosts & flowers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:15:22 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Three Year Old Girl Rhumba ! > >For listers with small children... > > > >"Don't leave your childs musical taste to chance - indoctrinate now. > Punk > > > Rock Baby is a collection of punk classics in a lullaby style... > > > > > > www.punkrockbaby.com > > > >Sadly no 12XU > > OK, apologies to Keith, who's heard this already - > > My daughter Hannah (3) loves Read and Burn ! Jumpin about the place she is > when I put it on! Whats that man saying Daddy ? Hes saying Its all in > the art of stopping  Yeah! and apologies to Fergus who's heard this too... I've got a 3 yr old too - as a Bolan fan I'm very proud that he can sing 'did you ever see a woman coming out of New York City with a frog in her hand'! Unfortunately my 16 yr old daughter is tarnishing his taste, getting him familiar with Popstars Gareth & Will (even though she doesn't like them herself!). Still he says he's gonna be a Wireman when he grows up. Not sure he means an electrician though... Keith Then when Comet is playing she goes Ba ba > ba ba ba ba ba. while her 6 month old brother Aongus looks on from his > chair, laughing. When Agfers finishes she just wants to hear it all again. > Wheres the music gone Daddy?  Do you want to hear Fela Kuti ? (who she > loves)  Yeah ! A few seconds into Fela she says  ..want to hear Wire > Daddy. Put on Wire How do you reason with a three year old ? Shock > headline  Wire corner kiddie market !! Never mind Three Girl Rhumba, how > about Three Year Old Girl Rhumba !! Shes a girl of impeccable musical > tastes I have to say Wire, Can, Fela Kuti, The Beatles, Robert Wyatt she > loves all this stuff ! Am I hothousing her ?!! Will she tire of the three > chord bash in favour of the polyrhythms and syncopations of African music > and Jazz, the textures of improv, only to move onto the polyphony of later > Stravinsky, the tonal clusters of Ligeti, the complexity of Stockhausen and > Messiaen, the minimalism (nearly as redundant a word as Ambient now ) of > Webern, Part, Feldman ? Or will she abandon it all in favour of Worstlife > ?!! > > Fergus > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:54:24 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Miss Lucifer speaking tangentially of which, i see by cdnow (where it's listed as due to come out tuesday for $31.49 or something ... is the bloody thing a box set? only 10 songs are listed) that the titles on the album include a pkd reference, "scanner darkly." good one. dan >I know there's a few people here who can't stand Primal Scream - isn't it the >one thing (Wire apart) that the Manchester members agree on - but for those of >you who do like them and haven't heard the latest single, Miss Lucifer, it's a >glorious two and a half minute ride that certainly livened up last weeks TOTP. > >Imagine a Suicide where Alan Vega says he wants to sound like Bolan and not >Elvis, a Suicide who want to be produced by Gorgio Moroder, a Suicide doing a >Stooges cover, a Suicide that's just heard Krautrock for the very first time. >And then let messrs Gillespie, Shields, etc get their dirty little mitts over >it. Like Kawalski and Swastika Eyes, a genuinely exciting 45 IMO. > >Keith > >NP Sonic Youth - nyc ghosts & flowers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:52:50 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Madman's Money > What alot of people don't think about is that people in the first world > countries are ok, but the third world countries are at our mercy. They > suffer for the comfort of the first world. > > A person has nothing to complain about merely because the hindrances that > effect others does not effect him/her. > The saddest thing is that we could probably quite easily maintain the standard of living that we have with very few tangible sacrifices without causing all this suffering. But there are deeper reasons why certain vested interests (the utterly vile Esson corporation for instance) want to keep things the way they are. I was forced to work for these bastards while I was still at school and every time I think of that it makes me sick. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:07:42 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Just a Minor Threat >>>he had heard 12xu covered by fugazi. ???????? Surely you mean Minor Threat? They certainly recorded it. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:06:51 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Depression I should be out at this hardcore all dayer right now, but for most of the day I've been seething with so much inverted rage that I've been unable to get out of bed. The only way I've been able to crawl out and summon the will to switch on the computer to make words is by playing 'Swans Are Dead' loud enough to wake the dead. Depression seems a very sane reaction to the terminal alienating insanity of capitalism. For much of human history, people have organised themselves in small scale social units (tribes) without much need for leaders, states or corporation logos flashing on and off in the sky. Funny how they stil seem to do this quite naturally despite the loony leaders' obsessions with so called globalistion. Tomorrow I've got to start 26 weeks of terminal boredom being exploited by some joke con company set up to save crap unnecessary businesses the trouble of paying workers fair wages. I might get let off with good behaviour after 13 weeks. I've cheered myself up a little by deciding to smuggle in a tape recorder, ask a few questions and see if I can come up with an article condemning the farce of 'New orDeal.' The time thieves are trying to catch me. I was really sad to read about Dan's depression where he couldn't even bear to listen to music, because whenever I'm really at the end of my tether the thing that always keeps me going is music. Hope you're feeling better, Dan. As a miserable fifteen year old completely sick of living in a small town (same one Colin lived near for his first seven years) one song in particular helped me see a funnier side to suicidal self pity, part of an infinitely preferable world I could escape into with a pair of headphones. Another the Letter Still looking for Chairs Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "There's got to be a way to GET OUT!" (Black Flag - Life of Pain) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:59:50 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Perfect just for SPIT! >>>No disrespect, but if I was gonna be jealous of someone who had their own publication then it'd be Rupert fucking Murdoch with all his millions I wouldn't like to spend a MINUTE locked inside him What does death need time for? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "Toxic Information... Perfect just for SPIT!" (WIRE ~ Spent) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:58:52 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Grown Men Don't Fall in the River Just Like That!!! > << Yes, I did get a promo copy. If this makes you jealous then consider the > fact > that I've sunk hours of freetime and way too much money into loss making > zines > over the years and think again, Then go DIY DIY DIY then come back and talk > about it... > >> > > yes, i am jealous too....but i don't understand how making zines can get you > promos? > First: Give a copy to all bands written about or interviewed Give a copy to all record labels mentioned Give a copy to all pr people working for bands & labels Give a copy to anyone else who you would like to read it Second: Ask for promos However maybe I should mention just how cool Colin Newman is at this point. One day a copy of Rosh Ballata arrived in the post with a really nicely written letter from Colin which although it was doubtless a copy of something sent to everyone was written in a friendly & personal way which was quite different to average hype-pr bollocks. Still don't know how Colin found out about my zine(s) but he does tend to keep 'Ears Pinned Back' Would an Ideal Copy zine be a good idea? After all we seem to have a pool of fairly good writers on this list. NP Empty House Co-Operative - Live on Pipeline CD-R ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:56:45 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Miss Lucifer I don't really know much by Primal Scream, but I clapped eyes on the new album yesterday and found the cover to be a bit of a Chrome rip-off (homage?) Ian B np - as in not playing but cannot get out of my head, though I want it to leave; Poptones by PiL - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Miss Lucifer > I know there's a few people here who can't stand Primal Scream - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:59:37 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Depression what I sometimes find in these states is that nothing's *fast* enough. Even the 90mph stuff just sounds ponderous. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hick > I was really sad to read about Dan's depression where he couldn't even bear to > listen to music, because whenever I'm really at the end of my tether the thing > that always keeps me going is music. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:22:29 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Miss Lucifer KeithA... >I know there's a few people here who can't stand Primal Scream count me in, i'm afraid... i regard B.Gillespie as a complete bull-shit artist... >Like Kawalski and Swastika Eyes, a genuinely exciting 45 IMO. i'll admit to not hearing everything they've ever done, but... the new single sounds like a throwaway Prodigy rip-off to me... ah well, back to my new Monkees CD...!!! ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:43:11 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Miss Lucifer > >>speaking tangentially of which, i see by cdnow (where it's listed as due > to > come out tuesday for $31.49 or something ... is the bloody thing a box set? > only 10 songs are listed) that the titles on the album include a pkd > reference, "scanner darkly." good one.<< Not to mention the first known incidence of a band following up another band's song (Space Blues 2) - orig by Felt, of course - Martin Duffy being the link.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:26:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Miss Lucifer > KeithA... > >I know there's a few people here who can't stand Primal Scream Ian SJ > count me in, i'm afraid... > i regard B.Gillespie as a complete bull-shit artist... Oh yeah, you'll get no argument from me there. I suspect that there's something a wee bit contrived about him and his media persona. But he does have a knack of making records I like - and occasionally (Velocity Girl, Imperial, Loaded, Kawalski, XTRMNTR) - *love*. > the new single sounds like a throwaway Prodigy rip-off to me... Prodigy? Hmm...Hadn't thought that. Are we talking the percussive side of it? > ah well, back to my new Monkees CD...!!! I'm a Believer. (Alternate Title - ah! What a record!!!) Keith ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #264 *******************************