From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #262 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, August 10 2002 Volume 05 : Number 262 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] copies of Kitchen Motors concert...... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] ICA photos [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] Three Year Old Girl Rhumba ! ["Fergus Kelly" ] Re: [idealcopy] ATP Bootleg (12X)U2 [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wires Choice of equipment in the early days. ["Norm Fasey] [idealcopy] Read & Burn E-Bayed [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] [idealcopy] Erratum [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] [idealcopy] In Esse [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] In Esse [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: fugazi threat [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wah hoo!!! ["Steve Loubert" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: fugazi threat ["dan bailey" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 03:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] copies of Kitchen Motors concert...... ........did everyone that requested a copy get them(only respond if you didn't)Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:22:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] ICA Photos > or maybe Wireviews might want to host them? Wireviews is totally lacking in any 2002 Wire stuff, so I'd be happy to host any photos and print reviews. Best Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.com News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:28:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] ICA photos Brower went bag, so I don't know whether this made the list or not: > or maybe Wireviews might want to host them? I'd be happy to host anything to do with Wire's 2002 tour -- photos or reviews, especially seeing as there's bugger all on the site about this stuff at the moment. Due to updating the hosting, WV now has about 40MB of spare Web space, too. Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.com News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:53:14 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Three Year Old Girl Rhumba ! >For listers with small children... > >"Don't leave your childs musical taste to chance - indoctrinate now. > Punk > > Rock Baby is a collection of punk classics in a lullaby style... > > > > www.punkrockbaby.com > >Sadly no 12XU OK, apologies to Keith, who's heard this already - My daughter Hannah (3) loves Read and Burn ! Jumpin about the place she is when I put it on! Whats that man saying Daddy ? Hes saying Its all in the art of stopping  Yeah! Then when Comet is playing she goes Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba. while her 6 month old brother Aongus looks on from his chair, laughing. When Agfers finishes she just wants to hear it all again. Wheres the music gone Daddy?  Do you want to hear Fela Kuti ? (who she loves)  Yeah ! A few seconds into Fela she says  ..want to hear Wire Daddy. Put on Wire How do you reason with a three year old ? Shock headline  Wire corner kiddie market !! Never mind Three Girl Rhumba, how about Three Year Old Girl Rhumba !! Shes a girl of impeccable musical tastes I have to say Wire, Can, Fela Kuti, The Beatles, Robert Wyatt she loves all this stuff ! Am I hothousing her ?!! Will she tire of the three chord bash in favour of the polyrhythms and syncopations of African music and Jazz, the textures of improv, only to move onto the polyphony of later Stravinsky, the tonal clusters of Ligeti, the complexity of Stockhausen and Messiaen, the minimalism (nearly as redundant a word as Ambient now ) of Webern, Part, Feldman ? Or will she abandon it all in favour of Worstlife ?!! Fergus _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:49:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wires Choice of equipment in the early days. Norm, << Hi here is a question for all those anoraks out there.<< That's the sort of come-on I like.... >>Can anyone recall reading any articles on Wire's choice of Guitar/Amp back in the early days and also what they prefer now? Looking at the old photos, it looks like they went for the Fender style of guitar instead of one with Humbucking Pickups such as a Gibson Les Paul.<< The best evidence is the Rockpalast video, where Bruce plays a Les Paul throughout (though a lot of photos show him using a strat); Colin uses his Ovation Breadwinner for most of the set, and a black, '70s Fender Strat for a few numbers. They're both playing through identical amps - standard 70s transistor combos of unknown make (possibly trace elliot?). Graham is using a Fender Jazz bass (as he does now) through an Ampeg amp/cabinet. >> So how did they achieve that 'chugga chugga' sound that we all know and love? Must have been through the use of a valve amp? << Don't think so. Wire aren't gear-heads by any means, and many punk/post-punk bands favoured clean-sounding transistor amps (that could be dirtied up by using effect pedals) rather than "warm" retro valve amps. >>Early Roxy Photos suggest they were maybe Vox AC-30's?<< Possibly. AC30s were unfashionable in the 70s and were therefore cheap. But they're not using AC30s on Rockpalast. >>I am the Fly is documented as having an Effect that Bruce found in Colin's peddle. Other than that, I can't recall any articles on their choice of gear. >> Bruce uses quite a few effects , as does Graham (chorus, flange etc). But Colin's guitar seems pretty clean. The Breadwinner has active electrics (a built-in preamp). The 80s set-up was different. Colin used the Breadwinner most of the time (as well as the Strat on occasion), though Graham favoured 'rail' basses (Westone or Hohner). Bruce usually played a Strat, but sometimes used anonymous non-classic guitars like at present. Colin now favours Danelectro baritone guitars (longer scale, bassier sound) and Bruce occasionally uses these too. Graham has gone back to the Jazz bass. Don't even go there on the Wir period..... ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:11:11 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: ATP Bootleg (12X)U2 >he had heard 12xu covered by fugazi. Are you sure you mean Fugazi and not Minor Threat? Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 19:26:24 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ATP Bootleg (12X)U2 Paulwrote: >is it a general thing on the unforgettable fire, just the song "wire" or >what? i've never been able to pinpoint exactly what connection people make >between wire and u2. I've always assumed U2 called that track 'Wire' because it borrows the two-chord intro and lead-off from 'The 15th' for its chorus. I'm pretty sure Bongo and pals would cite Wire as an influence on their early stuff. Angular guitars, spiky vocals and all ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:34:47 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ATP Bootleg (12X)U2 In a message dated 8/9/02 7:30:47 PM GMT Daylight Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > I've always assumed U2 called that track 'Wire' because it borrows the > two-chord intro and lead-off from 'The 15th' for its chorus. > ///// i think there's a bit of "being sucked in again" in there somewhere. apparently they've covered mannequin live ; anyone ever heard this? p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:11:54 +0100 From: "Norm Fasey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wires Choice of equipment in the early days. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wires Choice of equipment in the early days. > Don't think so. Wire aren't gear-heads by any means, and many punk/post-punk > bands favoured clean-sounding transistor amps (that could be dirtied up by > using effect pedals) rather than "warm" retro valve amps. I must admit my Amp of choice back then was a H and H combo coupled with a fuzz box. > > >>Early Roxy Photos suggest they were maybe Vox AC-30's?<< > > Possibly. AC30s were unfashionable in the 70s and were therefore cheap. But > they're not using AC30s on Rockpalast. Very unfashionable but you could hire one for the night for next to nothing. I used one at the Roxy. I just got hold of a Line 6 Guitar Port! Well worth the price of 140 quid. You then have 10 top Amps at your disposal. The closest I have got to Bruces Sound is through a 1968 Marshall 50 Watt Plexi with compression and driven hard. I tried it though the AC30 and it just didn't give the same sound. For those into Guitars, GuitarPort is found at www.line6.com/guitarport you can also use to Jam along to Wire Tracks. I have jamming along to Pink Flag all week since I got it. Norm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:28:57 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Read & Burn E-Bayed What do you reckon of this sellars patter to entice you to Read & Burn ? ...released in the UK on pink flag records. "The hugely influential WIRE, having regrouped for a live performance in 1999 and wailed through numerous subsequent sell-out shows, ably demonstrate that their fire still burns. Read & Burn X1 is the first phase of a series of new works and stage appearances planned for this year and on into 2003, marking a fierce return to recording for the band, and the setting of a standard that many of today's new chasers of art-rock's golden fleece will be hard pressed to emulate. There is only so much time in the day to respond to the demands of the adrenal glands and to bounce one's head off walls in unison with Wire's car-crashing dynamism and dogged, unyielding tempos, so get to it! The six tracks on Read & Burn X1, each hitting the mark with dead-eye accuracy, ride the line from punk to rock and back again with nerve-jarring immediacy, dressed and stylishly accessorized with state-of-the-art production values." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:30:36 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Erratum I meant sellers not sellars..... Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:39:41 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] In Esse Just got my copy of Bruce's In Esse today.Put it in the old CD machine & cranked the baby up.....Bloody Hell !! Track 1 is 40 odd minutes of serious assault on the hearing.I feel like I've been beaten up.Loved the other 2 tracks. Do not play after a night (or several nights) on the beer.Terrific stuff.The next challenge is to listen to it on headphones. NP. Severed Heads - Bulkhead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:50:54 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] In Esse In a message dated 8/9/02 5:40:23 PM, CHRISWIRE@aol.com writes: >to listen to it on headphones. that's it baby :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:54:52 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: fugazi threat i wrote about a co-worker: >>he had heard 12xu covered by fugazi. In a message dated 8/9/02 1:11:36 PM, bamboo7431@hotmail.com writes: > >Are you sure you mean Fugazi and not Minor Threat? he gave me fugazi's the argument cd yesterday too, so maybe i misheard him or maybe he made a slip of the tongue (also having fugazi on the brain). i'm not sure. i haven't heard either band cover it. actually, the only wire covers i've heard besides the ones on whore are by this mortal coil and fischer-spooner. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:08:10 -0500 From: "Steve Loubert" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wah hoo!!! From: Santa Cruzer > They may not be your cup of tea, but check out > > http://www.neubauten.org/ > > to see what they are proposing. I especially like the > bits about the albums they haven't been paid for! > > As a music fan, I am getting really excited about the > fact that more and more bands are taking their music > away from the corporate world. Hopefully they are > pointing the way to a new way of doing business. It > does require the fans do a bit of digging around, but > I really think it's worth it. I agree completely. For me, finding a place to buy music has never been the problem. Nowadays, with the Internet and mail order, everything is quickly available. Finding good music to buy is another matter, one which has always required more than a bit of digging around. The record companies (and the radio industry) are no help in this. Any musicians who can find a way to create and distribute their music outside of the recording industry are doing us all a favor. Dinosaurs must die! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:27:27 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: fugazi threat apropos of nothing, really, i learned a few weeks ago that my managing editor (who's departing next week for salem, ore, making my departure from this benighted backwater an even better idea) went to high school with ian mackaye. of course, riding to lunch in his jaguar or mercedes or whatever last week, i happened to espy dylan's greatest hits vol. 3 on on the floor. *hmph* had we taken *my* dog-fur-filled '97 hyundai accent, the tape player would at least have featured the fall's frenz experiment b/w wolfgang press' first one. dan >i wrote about a co-worker: > >>>he had heard 12xu covered by fugazi. > >In a message dated 8/9/02 1:11:36 PM, bamboo7431@hotmail.com writes: >> >>Are you sure you mean Fugazi and not Minor Threat? > >he gave me fugazi's the argument cd yesterday too, so maybe i misheard him or >maybe he made a slip of the tongue (also having fugazi on the brain). i'm not >sure. i haven't heard either band cover it. actually, the only wire covers >i've heard besides the ones on whore are by this mortal coil and >fischer-spooner. > >-paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:38:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ATP Bootleg (12X)U2 - --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > apparently they've covered mannequin live ; anyone ever heard this? I tried and tried and tried to track this one down, but to no avail. A webmaster from a U2 bootleg page confirmed to me that U2 did in fact play Mannequin in at least one of their early shows. But he was hush about whether or not he had a recording. I *know* it exists somewhere. If anyone gets a hold of it, *please* post to the list! BTW, if I remember correctly, the cover was performed around 1982. So this would be one of the first known Wire covers. ===== Andrew Westmeyer anw7pima@yahoo.com HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:56:37 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: fugazi threat > the only wire covers > i've heard besides the ones on whore are by this mortal coil and > fischer-spooner. > > -paul c.d. Surely you've heard R.E.M.'s version of "Strange" Paul... Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #262 *******************************