From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #260 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, August 8 2002 Volume 05 : Number 260 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] An Encounter with an Angel? [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] go to [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: cutting down (this is truly cold) [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] : advertisement:this should work......... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Dome Jaw ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] The Little Baffled Flag ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: village voice: Nat Hentoff - Ashcrofts Master Plan to Spy on Us [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] ah well....you'll just hafta [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:57:21 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] An Encounter with an Angel? > as for the NY subway stops...how about Columbus Circle...as an alternative > form of contraception...? ;)...ok, ignore that one... > > yours, Frank Skinner (UK-only joke, sorry...) I know Frank Skinner and I'm not UK! :-P Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:49:00 +0100 From: "Norm Fasey" Subject: [idealcopy] Wires Choice of equipment in the early days. Hi here is a question for all those anoraks out there. Can anyone recall reading any articles on Wire's choice of Guitar/Amp back in the early days and also what they prefer now? Looking at the old photos, it looks like they went for the Fender style of guitar instead of one with Humbucking Pickups such as a Gibson Les Paul. So how did they achieve that 'chugga chugga' sound that we all know and love? Must have been through the use of a valve amp? Early Roxy Photos suggest they were maybe Vox AC-30's? I am the Fly is documented as having an Effect that Bruce found in Colin's peddle. Other than that, I can't recall any articles on their choice of gear. Norm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:17:14 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] I see A OK, perhaps you lot were all asleep when I last posted this but, once again, did anyone get some photos at the ICA ? Fergus "Beauty aids, commodity arts, and things that are the thing, Teasmades, cushions that fart, The Lord of the Rings" John Cooper Clarke : Gimmix _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:39:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] go to www.steakandcheese.com/tatspace.html Ari (with thanx to Keith) ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:11:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: cutting down (this is truly cold) > > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:03:14 -0400 > > Subject: cutting down (this is truly cold) > > > > Two Priests are in a Vatican bathroom using the > urinals. > > > > > One of them looks at the other one's penis and > notices there's a Nicoderm > > patch on it. > > > > > He turns to the other Priest and says, "I believe > you're supposed to put > > that patch on your arm or shoulder, not your > penis." > > > > > The other one replies, "It's working just fine. > I'm down to 2 butts a > day." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Bruce Springsteen Shows To Go On Sale This Weekend - --- Bruce Springsteen wrote: > Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 18:46:15 GMT > Subject: Bruce Springsteen Shows To Go On Sale This > Weekend > From: Bruce Springsteen > > To: Bruce Springsteen > >
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===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:04:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] go to > www.steakandcheese.com/tatspace.html > Ari (with thanx to Keith) suggestions so far include Walls sausages, Tiny, Virgin and (from Holland!) Microsoft... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:11:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] : advertisement:this should work......... - --- ari wrote: > From: "ari" > To: "Ari Britt" > Subject: Fw: advertisement > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:08:24 -0400 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Astbury > To: ari > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:14 PM > Subject: Fw: advertisement > > > here it is... > > > what would YOU advertise on it > > pecker pr > > Stu > ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:15:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] ah well....you'll just hafta go to ebay and click on item number 1754669488 sorry 'bout that..Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:25:12 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Dome Jaw >>>if he was joking about wire, he'd be trying to get us to laugh at graham for being a bad drummer. But have you ever heard or seen Graham "Play the drum!"????? Maybe he does a bit of percussion on some of those old Dome recordings? He did a small percussion accompaniment to the end of the interview I did with WIRE at the Garage, whilst Bruce threw his voice from various oblique angles. Bruce also picked an interesting sounding location in the hacienda when I interviewed him just before the Gilbertpossstenger Disobey. Where does performance begin and end? There is also this phenomenon to watch out for when WIRE go on tour - - Dome Jaw Despite Newman getting most of the shoutybloke action, the jaws of Lewis and Gilbert seem to move more whilst WIRE make a noise. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "Water trickles Where blood used to flow" (DOME ~ Long Lost Life) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:29:08 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] The Little Baffled Flag >>Why is the flag pink? It was a gift. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "We can win" (Liars - Grown men don't fall in the river, just like that) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:33:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: village voice: Nat Hentoff - Ashcrofts Master Plan to Spy on Us > Master Plan to Spy on Us > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: charismic > Date: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:49:18 > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:, > Subject: village voice: Nat Hentoff - Ashcrofts > Master Plan to Spy on Us > > Nat Hentoff > Ashcrofts Master Plan to Spy on Us > 'Citizens Will Not Become Informants' > August 2nd, 2002 6:30 PM > > > "Citizens will not become informants. Citizens will > not be spying on one > another." Republican House Majority Leader Dick > Armey, NBC-TV's Meet the > Press, July 21 > > The July 17 editorial in The Boston Globenot one of > my columns in the > Voicewas headlined, "Ashcroft vs. Americans." It > began: "Operation TIPSThe > Terrorism Information and Prevention Systemis a > scheme that Joseph Stalin > would have appreciated. Plans for its pilot phase, > to start in August, have > Operation TIPS recruiting a million letter carriers, > meter readers, cable > technicians, and other workers with access to > private homes as informants to > report to the Justice Department any activities they > think suspicious." > > This newest John Ashcroft battle plan in the war on > civil liberties would > have us join the citizens of China, Cuba, > Kazakhstan, and other countries > where there is ubiquitous surveillance for signs of > disloyalty to the state. > Not only Joseph Stalin but also George Orwell would > have understood what > John Ashcroft had in mind. As The Boston Globe went > on to say, "Ashcrofts > informant corps is a vile idea not merely because it > violates civil > liberties . . . or because it will sabotage genuine > efforts to prevent > terrorism by overloading law enforcement officials > with irrelevant reports > about Americans who have nothing to do with > terrorists. Operation TIPS > should be stopped because it is utterly > anti-American." I was first alerted > to Operation TIPS by Matt Olson in Isthmus, a lively > alternative paper from > Madison, Wisconsin. Then the May issue of The > Progressivea national monthly > magazine also out of Madisonran the full story by > Bill Berkowitz, a regular > contributor to Working Assets workingforchange.com. > > This time, John Ashcroft was so confident of public > applause for his plan to > smoke out the lurking terrorist "sleepers" among us > that he didnt keep it > secret. On May 29, on the government Web site: > (www.citizencorps.gov/tips.html) there it was! Meet > Big Brother: > > "A nationwide program giving millions of American > truckers, letter carriers, > train conductors, ship captains, utility employees, > and others a formal way > to report suspicious terrorist activity. Operation > TIPS, a project of the > U.S. Department of Justice, will begin as a pilot > program in 10 cities that > will be selected. . . . Everywhere in America, a > concerned worker can call a > toll-free number and be connected directly to a > hotline routing calls to the > proper law enforcement agency or other responder > organizations." > > By July 16, that government Web site had removed the > listing of specific > kinds of worker-informants who would be watching us, > but it noted that all > the tipsters had to do was "use their common sense > and knowledge of their > work environment to identify suspicious or unusual > activity." There was no > definition of "suspicious" or "unusual." The > president endorsed Operation > TIPS, as did Homeland Securitys Tom Ridge and > Senate Republican Minority > Leader Trent Lott. The ACLU, of course, opposed > Operation TIPS. As usual, > there was no word of alarm from Tom Daschle or Dick > Gephardt. But Democratic > congressman Dennis Kucinich, ranking Democrat on the > Government Oversight > Committees National Security Oversight > Subcommittee, told Bill Berkowitz in > The Progressive: "It appears we are being > transformed from an information > society to an informant society." > > Where were Al Gore, John Edwards, John Kerry, Joe > Lieberman, Charles > Schumer, and Hillary Rodham Clinton? > > Suddenly, however, Operation TIPS seemed to crash. > On July 19, Ellen Sorokin > reported in The Washington Times that a prominent > conservative, "House > Majority Leader Dick Armey, in his markup of > legislation to create a > Homeland Security Department . . . scrapped a > program that would use > volunteers in domestic surveillance." > > The Postal Service, in part because of the pressure > from its unions, had > already refused to permit its letter carriers to > participate in Operation > TIPS. > > What follows is from Dick Armey's markup on the > "Freedom and Security" > section of the Homeland Security Bill. He wrote: > "Because the [Homeland > Security] Department has a singular mission of > protecting the freedoms of > Americans, specific legal protections will ensure > that freedom is not > undermined. . . . Citizens Will Not Become > Informants. To ensure that no > operation of the Department can be construed to > promote citizens spying on > one another, this draft will contain language to > prohibit programs such as > Operation TIPS." > > Armey also canceled a cherished Bush-Ashcroft > anti-terrorism weapon, a > national ID card. Wrote Armey: "The federal > government will not have the > authority to nationalize drivers licenses and other > ID cards. Authority to > design and issue these cards shall remain with the > states. The use of > biometric identifiers and Social Security numbers > with these cards is not > consistent with a free society." > > Also, Armeydescribed in The Almanac of American > Politics 2002 as often > driving a pickup truck, wearing cowboy boots, and > quoting country music > lyricsestablished, in his markup of the Homeland > Security Department bill, > "A Privacy Officer. Working as a close adviser to > the Secretary, this > officer will ensure technology research and new > regulations from the > Department respect the civil liberties our citizens > enjoy. This is the > first-ever such officer established by law in a > cabinet department." > (Emphasis added). > > Despite Dick Armeys rejection of the Bush-Ashcroft > plan for what > conservative Republican Bob Barr calls an official > "snitch system," the > Department of Justice declared that Operation TIPS > will continue. I called > Ashcrofts spokeswoman, Barbara Comstock, and she > explained that since the > Senate was still debating its version of the > Homeland Security Department > bill, Armeys revisions had not become law; and > untilif and whenthey are > enacted, Operation TIPS will go forward. > > Next week: How Vermont senator Patrick Leahy tried > to get Armeys rejection > of Big Brother into the Senate bill, but was > betrayed by Joseph Lieberman > and Tom Daschle. We may not know until September, > when the Senate returns, > if we are all under government surveillance. > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Read more of the Voice's coverage of the attack on > civil liberties in > post-September 11 America. > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Tell us what you think. editor@villagevoice.com > E-mail this story to a > friend. > > > > > > . ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:52:12 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Madman's Money >>>>really, I have nothing materially to complain about. Get Well Soon The Personal is Political I think we have a lot to complain about. Just because some have it worse doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make something better. Never accept what is handed to you on a plate. Look at the disgusting way these so called 'First World' countries treat the many refugees created by the mass insanity of capitalism. www.schnews.org.uk Some anonymous entity (could it be the communication from the Devil ...aka Lightbringer... that CM Von Hausswolf has solicited?) has taken out a quarter page black ad in The Wire with a 1979 quote from Guy Debord. Latterly he says, "The days of this society are numbered; its reasons and its merits have been weighed and found to be lacking; its inhabitants are divided into two parties, one of which wants this society to disappear." As fascism is on the rise again, arts funding is cut. Do It Yourself Vanishing Point Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "Master cut the stone out" (WIRE ~ Madman's Honey) "Man has a wooden master" (WIRE ~ 99.9) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 03:55:26 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ah well....you'll just hafta In a message dated Wed, 7 Aug 2002 6:15:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: > > > go to ebay and click on item number 1754669488 > sorry 'bout that..Ari ////you sure bout that , gives me an error message? go look at item 897841768 for maybe the most over-priced wire rarity i've ever seen. p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #260 *******************************