From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #256 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, August 4 2002 Volume 05 : Number 256 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Map Ref: Indirect Versions ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Another Touching Display ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Old Maid Avails Unto Oxes & Liars ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] R&B02 ["Fergus Kelly" ] [idealcopy] OT - just in case... ["ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Map Ref: Indirect Versions >>>1800 degrees away, I find the most positive optimism (above losing faith in various 'natures') in map ref 400N 930W. This track is far & above (elite if you will) over common human condition focus. The last 3 tracks on 154 paint a landscape in which it is possible to wander for years, still wondering... Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "You've been DEFACED!" (WIRE ~ Indirect Enquiries) "A total eclipse arrives now And Niagara Falls" (WIRE ~ 40 Versions) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:57:58 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Another Touching Display >>>Wire address, frequently, more abstract concepts than "she's left me, waah" or "she's come back! yay!", but the concepts they *have* addressed are still fundamentally human. You BOUGHT a ticket I TOOK a walk So much to say But we're unable to talk Catch You Later Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Liars - They Threw Us All in a Trench and Stuck a Monument on Top (www.liarsliarsliars.com) "Pining for a moment of even more It just slipped out there" (WIRE ~ Other Moments) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:55:46 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Old Maid Avails Unto Oxes & Liars >>>The lucky folk going to see Wire on their Cambridge to Atlanta dates may = want to have a listen to The Oxes first. Peel session available for = listening. Doesn't sound like anything that hasn't been done loads of = times before mind... In the interests of = EQUALITY = Who do Oxes remind you of? Sounds like a bill worth buying an Air Ticket for. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/johnpeel/features/oxes_mv_20020605.shtml And And And 3 Oxes MP3s can be found here http://www.epitonic.com/artists/oxes.html Anyone heard support for west coast leg The Standard? Nothing is ever lost Or can be lost My Science Friend Esp. when Liars are on tour (like NOW) >Aug 3rd Leadmill Sheffield >Aug 4th Night and Day Manchester >Aug 5th Barfly Cardiff >Aug 6th Princess Charlotte Leicester >Aug 8th London Dingwalls >Aug 9th Arts Centre Colchester Peace be Unto You And yr Tiny Texan Dick! Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "If we carry on like this We'll end up like King Crimson!" (The Fall - Words of Expectation) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:40:19 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [none] >> I was never told I was clinically depressed but I must've come close >> during the spring/summer of 1990. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy - >> though now, perhaps fortunately, I find it almost impossible to remember >> how bad I felt. And here comes the Wire bit - the soundtrack for that >> year was Manscape. > >From talking to people I know who suffer from depression, I've heard >many similar things: a lot of people who find otherwise bleak things >perversely uplifting - the "whistling past the grave" effect. whereas during my own major depressive phases -- of which i've had maybe 3 or 4, most recently 2 1/2 months ago (discontinuing meds was a rotten idea), with the added tincture of bipolar tendencies (almost certainly through genetic predisposition, looking back) rearing its odd head back in 11/00, & brief hospitalization required in 2/01-- the only thing i can bear to listen to is the first half of the sisters of mercy's floodland lp. why in god's name that is, i have no idea. of course, things are *really* bad when i can stand to listen to nothing at all, which sometimes is the case for weeks at a time. anyone interested in the connection between creativity & (manic) depression could do much worse, btw, than checking out kay redfield jamison's touched with fire. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 22:02:57 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] R&B02 From the man himself: >We are liable to have finished copies of R&B 02 by 20th Aug! There's no stopping these guys... Yeah great, European tour...no Irish dates !! Shite !! Fergus "I could have been Raskholnikov, But Mother nature ripped me off" Magazine: Philadelphia _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 23:30:19 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - just in case... ...for general information purposes... i'm going to try and change my ISP in a few days, but the way the new one is shaping up (eg, getting it sorted...) i MAY be without a connection facility for a few days, a week...who knows...? hopefully not much longer than that... SO...if anyone is posting to me (or with me in mind) via the IC, or off-list, dont worry if i dont get back to you straight anyway, ok...? ta, end of message... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:31:54 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Old Maid Avails Unto Oxes & Liars someone oxed about the support acts.... For more on oxes from the hometown perspective, see http://www.citypaper.com/2002-07-17/bigmusic4.html regarding their stint at ATP. btw, Citypaper has nice site in general. As a free weekly, it is as close as we get to a 2d print media outlet. JD (in Balto) longing for the days of more than one daily newspaper <> ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #256 *******************************