From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #255 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, August 3 2002 Volume 05 : Number 255 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] musings/ramblings of a drunk [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] musings/ramblings of a drunk [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] used vinyl [Woerner Frank ] [idealcopy] Re: depression and life in the manscape [Howard Spencer ] [idealcopy] The Word from WIRE ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] The Word from WIRE [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: depression and life in the manscape [Andrew Walkingsh] [idealcopy] Strange cover songs... [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] The Word from WIRE ["Keith Astbury" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:31:52 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] musings/ramblings of a drunk > >> It's now forgotten that the pre-fame Thompson Twins were rather > >> good. I saw > >> a 7 or 8 piece version supporting the Teardrops and then play a > >> small gig at > >> a local college a few months later and they really were very > >> good live. > > Saw them at Sheffield Uni, and later blagged our way onto the guest list at > York Uni having recognised the roadie in one of the campus bars. > They were indeed very good live at this time. Their finale being the > distribution of hubcaps and drumsticks to the audience, for a percussive > accompaniment both on and off stage. For the York gig I remember sharing > Alanah's cowbell!<< Saw the same tour in Birmingham, at the sadly defunct Cedar Club. Remember the TTs having difficulty all getting on the stage, and impressively percussing on through a power failure. Shame they didn't stick with the concept really. Guess the royalties divided by 3 was a more attractive proposition.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 06:24:31 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] musings/ramblings of a drunk In a message dated Fri, 2 Aug 2002 3:31:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, MarkBursa writes: > Shame they didn't stick with the concept really. Guess the > royalties divided > by 3 was a more attractive proposition.... > > Mark /////it made me laugh when the "andrew ridgeley" of the band left to go solo and promptly vanished without trace. his name escapes me....actually i can't recall the other 2 but i think it was tom and alannah something or other. that first lp sort of sits with the first eurythmics one as something i must get to hear one day as it might be better than the band in questions lame later output. big "might" of course. so wonder what a wire european tour will amount to? looked at the john peel website and the wire session doesn't seem to be down for the next 2 weeks. i'm presuming its just one a night? p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:54:44 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: RE: [idealcopy] used vinyl > -----Original Message----- > From: Tisbili@aol.com [mailto:Tisbili@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:45 AM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] used vinyl > > > RLynn9@aol.com writes: i just got back from local used vinyl > store..any > thoughts on the following groups? > > > << chas jankel >> > I know Corrida. I served with Corrida. You sir, are no corrida. Chaz Jankel. Was guitarist in the Blockheads if I remember correctly. I have a cd from around 1986 ... nice music to drive by. FfB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 13:35:48 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: depression and life in the manscape >Depression is grey; physical pain is red. Depression is an absence, a >hole, a void you can't fill: Worth making the (obvious) point, perhaps, that people do get over it - with the help of others and/or by working things through themselves. I found Andrew's post very poignant as a guy I knew fairly well (though as it turns out, not as well as I thought) committed suicide a month ago. He was, in the well worn phrase, one of the last people you would have expected to do this - from the outside view. It turns out he had quite a history of depression and that it was 'in the family' too. I've found myself wondering since how the knowledge of this background - of being told by medics that he had a predisposition to the illness - may have affected him. Better to know, or better not to? Of course part of the problem is the silence that surrounds this whole issue. It is not something you put on your CV. It is something to cover up, a weakness to be ashamed of. Which makes matters worse, of course. I was never told I was clinically depressed but I must've come close during the spring/summer of 1990. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy - though now, perhaps fortunately, I find it almost impossible to remember how bad I felt. And here comes the Wire bit - the soundtrack for that year was Manscape. The album is not exactly a hoot a minute, as we know, but the grim humour, the twisted sounds, the distorted voices-off definitely acted as some sort of comforter/inspirer ('the waiting room' could've been the doctor's surgery where I went to be told that there was nothing physically wrong with me). I suppose the surprise is that I still like Manscape and don't get flashbacks or anything of that sort when listening to Torch It! or whatever. I guess the brain is designed to suppress such memories. The moment when I knew I was going to be OK was very Nick Hornby, unfortunately - lying on my bed at home listening to commentary on Eric Young putting Palace one up against Luton. You takes your serotonin rushes from where you can. As to the link with creativity - up to a point,I guess. That point is where the depression becomes utterly paralysing and activity of any kind seems pointless, dangerous or both. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:12:14 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] musings/ramblings of a drunk > > Shame they didn't stick with the concept really. Guess the > > royalties divided > > by 3 was a more attractive proposition.... > > > > Mark > > /////it made me laugh when the "andrew ridgeley" of the band left to go solo and promptly vanished without trace. his name escapes me.... John (Jon?) Leeway I think... >actually i can't recall the other 2 but i think it was tom and alannah something or other. that first lp sort of sits with the first eurythmics one as something i must get to hear one day as it might be better than the band in questions lame later output. big "might" of course. After their impressive live performances their debut A Product Of... album was - and don't laugh here! - eagerly anticipated (by me and my mate anyway!). Obviously it featured the material they were playing live at the time, but it was altogether more polished and restrained on record. Pity. I still liked it at the time, though god knows I haven't heard it in a very, very long time. I bought the follow-up too (Set) with the radio friendly In The Name of Love (the one that the TT later sampled themselves after the line about their 'favouite records' on Love On Your Side...), but apart from LOYS - an OK pop song IMO - I gave up on them after that. Incidentally, they opened their Teardop support at Keele in 1980 in the following way... There was a backing track on and roadies etc had been coming on testing the equipment as the track played. So no-one took much notice at first of this guitarist who just wandered on and seemed to be just testing the gear, until what he was doing started to fit in with the backing. And then the other members came on one by one over some time, and as they were a 7-8 piece this took a while. We were wondering when it was gonna stop and I seem to recall being vaguely disappointed when it became apparant that no more new members were gonna appear. I was rather hoping they were gonna take this concept much further! (You know 15 or 20...) Tom Bailey was selling their early singles (Squares & Triangles and She's In Love With Mystery) post gig - he looked like he didn't have two halfpenny's to rub together. In fact, apart from the Voidoids they were the poorest looking group I've ever seen, which might explain why he reduced the TT to a 3-piece... Incidentally, I don't think either Leeway or Alannah were in the band at that time (I think it was another female in the early version), but don't quote me on that. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:34:07 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Melt Banana are TOO HOT!!! > Hello! MELT-BANANA here. > Too hot in Tokyo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > * MELT-BANANA is now recording a new album. A little bit behind the > schedule..... > > ** MELT-BANANA USA tour will be started from October 1st, and it will be > about 2 months tour. Now the tour is under booking. > the Kork Agency > http://www.korkagency.com/ > > *** MELT-BANANA photos of 2001 Europe tour will be up on the web-site of > Splatter Promotion soon. > http://www.splatterpromotion.com > > **** MELT-BANANA live schedule in August: > 08/03 Koenji 20000V. (Tokyo. JAPAN) > 08/06 Ebisu MILK (Tokyo, JAPAN) > 08/08 Nagoya QUATTRO (Nagoya, JAPAN) > > ***** MELT-BANANA Official Web-Site: > http://www.parkcity.ne.jp/~mltbanan/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:47:44 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] The Word from WIRE Read & Burn 02 completed and ready to roll Just Keep Watching www.posteverything.com Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP The Return of Fenn O'Berg (www.mego.at) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:00:17 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Word from WIRE In a message dated 8/2/02 1:51:05 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: >Read & Burn 02 > >completed >and >ready to roll > >Just Keep Watching > >www.posteverything.com holy adrenalin surge batman! i just listened to r&b01 last night before bed. can't recall any dreams. the night must've flown by too fast and furious to allow for any dreaming to get in :o) i hope they're selling it at the venues here next month. ba ba ba ba ba bang - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:27:26 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: depression and life in the manscape On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 01:35:48PM +0100, Howard Spencer wrote: > I found Andrew's post very poignant as a guy I knew fairly well (though > as it turns out, not as well as I thought) committed suicide a month > ago. He was, in the well worn phrase, one of the last people you would > have expected to do this - from the outside view. I'm really sorry to hear this, and I had no intention to rake over painful ground for anyone. My apologies. > It turns out he had quite a history of depression and that it was > 'in the family' too. I've found myself wondering since how the > knowledge of this background - of being told by medics that he had a > predisposition to the illness - may have affected him. Better to > know, or better not to? More to the point, if you're living with people who suffer from depression, you know about it. It's very hard *not* to notice, particularly given the concomitant increased probability of alcoholism, drug abuse and so forth. (To make it clear: I'm not saying recreational drug use is drug abuse; in the same way as having a glass of wine with a meal isn't alcohol abuse. For personal reasons I don't indulge in either, but that's tangential. Also, no, I'm not straight-edge; not even slightly.) > Of course part of the problem is the silence that surrounds this whole > issue. It is not something you put on your CV. It is something to cover > up, a weakness to be ashamed of. Which makes matters worse, of course. It's often said mental illness is the last great taboo; and depression is a class of mental illness. It seems that it's not hard to get depressed about *being depressed* - so it's a feedback loop. People are ashamed of being depressed and hurting those around them, so they hurt themselves, and it goes *on and on and on*. I see this, and I've tried to help, and it's just ... so pointlessly destructive. > I was never told I was clinically depressed but I must've come close > during the spring/summer of 1990. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy - > though now, perhaps fortunately, I find it almost impossible to remember > how bad I felt. And here comes the Wire bit - the soundtrack for that > year was Manscape. From talking to people I know who suffer from depression, I've heard many similar things: a lot of people who find otherwise bleak things perversely uplifting - the "whistling past the grave" effect. (If anyone wants to conjecture as to why I'm so attached to Radiohead's "The Bends", the soundtrack of about a year and a half of my life, feel free. The same's also true of a couple of Blur's songs, "This is a Low" and "He Thought of Cars", possibly explaining why I'm quite quick to defend them.) > As to the link with creativity - up to a point,I guess. That point is > where the depression becomes utterly paralysing and activity of any kind > seems pointless, dangerous or both. Yeah, well. I could talk about my experiences here[1], but it wouldn't add anything much, and I don't want to claim to know about things I don't feel I have any right to talk about. I don't know quite how to express what I want to say, but: well, yeah, I've felt quite bad at times but I *know* this isn't based on my being in some way objectively badly off... I hope I haven't hurt anyone badly. - - Andrew [1] both first-hand and through family/friendship, but all in all I *know* I'm an extremely fortunate individual, in terms of the fact that I'm (in context, rather than in absolute terms, being a student) relatively financially secure and physically healthy, and being able to do something I actually *want* (... usually) to for the next three years. - -- "The carving and paring of the land; the quarter square, the graph divides, Beneath the rule a country hides..." - Wire, "Map Ref 41 deg N 93 deg W" ('154') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:16:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] Strange cover songs... Hey all~ I recently got into a discussion with a friend about the +/- of bands doing cover songs. My example was that Type O Negatives shows seem to rise and fall in direct proportion to their covers. The last time I saw them they did 4! yuck!! And it made me recall one performance that was actually pretty amazing. I saw Yes in about 1983 or so and they closed their show with an amazing rendition of "Gimme Some Lovin'"! Shocking but they carried it off very well! Any other songs that stuck with listees?? ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:44:02 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Word from WIRE > Read & Burn 02 > > completed > and > ready to roll Wire apparently more than a little excited about it. Just seen the European dates. I think Bart is going to be very pleased! Keith > Just Keep Watching > > www.posteverything.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 08:21:56 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Word from WIRE Keith: > Just seen the European dates. I think Bart is going to be very pleased! Jan: > Yes Bart, you missed this. Nevertheless you have another chance. They are > coming to Holland. Colin gave an announcement to play for the Crossing Border > festival in the Melkweg Amsterdam this year. And in Groningen! In Groningen! My day is made fellows! :-))) Bart - working his way through over 250 mails after short stay in UK.But now I'm [we're] off to New York... the hotel in Rotterdam that is, near the ErasmusBRIDGE! Going to see lotsa artshows in Rotterdam. Oh happy days... ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #255 *******************************