From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #252 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, July 31 2002 Volume 05 : Number 252 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] musings/ramblings of a drunk [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] musings/ramblings of a drunk [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] musings/ramblings of a drunk [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] r&b electronica and the stage [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: Re:[idealcopy] r&b electronica and the stage [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Paul sed....... [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:48:00 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] musings/ramblings of a drunk In a message dated 7/30/02 7:51:43 PM Central Daylight Time, Mark Bursa writes: > No fault in destroying it. Armed with a suitable Uzi, I'd have done the > honours meself after I'd finished with Yes and ELP. The blame lies with > those who started it in the first place ;-) > > Mark > > DING!!! and the prize goes to Mr. Bursa!...fine answer! RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:49:08 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] musings/ramblings of a drunk In a message dated 7/30/02 7:55:46 PM Central Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > > >>Who is REALLY at fault for the destruction of Genesis?<< > > No fault in destroying it. Armed with a suitable Uzi, I'd have done the > honours meself after I'd finished with Yes and ELP. The blame lies with > those > who started it in the first place ;-) > > Mark > how about good old gasoline and a match....watch the slooooooow burn RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:47:04 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] musings/ramblings of a drunk In a message dated 7/30/02 7:38:44 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > wasn't the Sussudio riff heavily 'borrowed' from 1999?>>> wow..i did not know this...seems likely now that you mention it... > > It's now forgotten that the pre-fame Thompson Twins were rather good. I saw > a 7 or 8 piece version supporting the Teardrops and then play a small gig > at > a local college a few months later and they really were very good live. > This > was a long time before We Are Detective, surely one of the worst singles > ever made...>>>>>> hmmm...i don't know...Lies is off the same album... > > > The lyrics on "Non-stop Erotic Cabaret" by Soft Cell have to be some of > the > > best ever... > > I bet it's the 'Luring disco dollies to a life of vice' line that does > it!!!>>>>> of course! ...and: "i'll give you anything..anything to shut you up" > > > Who is REALLY at fault for the destruction of Genesis? > > Peter Gabriel for leaving and inflicting Phil Collins larynx on the rest of > us. Just think if Gabriel hadn't left. Collins might have stayed behind his > drums and we would then have been spared Against All Odds. Bastard!>>>> ulp..i actually have a soft spot for that song...i was in high school and going through a break up when i saw that movie...(ducking)...i'll get me coat in a second... > > > "Love Shack" by the B-52's has got to be THE worst/most annoying song > > ever.... > > No, no....Even on one of the worst days of my life this record brought a > smile to my face. My fave HAPPY record!>>>>> Mr. Astbury...i'm afraid we may have to revoke your Kylie Minogue fan club membership..... > > > why do some men always ruin a half-way decent look with the wrong shoes? > > Cos their wives didn't tell them which ones to wear???>>>>> ..and the WINNAH IS: Mr. Keith Astbury!...good answer Keith! > > > why do some women almost always ruin a half-way decent look with the > wrong > > fake boobs? > > This isn't a problem in North Wales.>>>> oh well.....that is a good thing...i find fake boobs to be disturbing....why would ANYONE want to get those things...society sucks... > > > will Keith Astbury ever don the leather pants? > > I'm a veggie!!!>>>>>> OH ALLRIGHT KEITH....i'll leave you alone...your vegetarian excuse is acceptable... > > > or at least compromise and > > wear some hideous 80's "hair" band style get-up..like say...day-glow > green > > and purple striped spandex with bandanas tied to his legs and arms??? > > Gold lame jacket, silver satin pants and glitter on my cheeks. And that's > my > final offer ; )>>>>> DEAL !!!!!! i'll be expecting polaroids to be circulation the Ideal Copy any day now.. CHEERS! a very sober Robert after a 6-3 loss in footie...oh dear...i'll never do that again... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:51:44 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] r&b electronica and the stage In a message dated 7/30/02 8:07:17 PM Central Daylight Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > As a knob-twiddler myself I'm resigned to the fact that electronic acts > must limit their live activities to their own 'niche' circuit...and even > then, people aren't keen to listen unless they bring a f**king circus along > > with them! > > yes...indeed...why i saw ol' Richard (Aphex) James with dancing Bears once...ridiculous RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:17:32 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: Re:[idealcopy] r&b electronica and the stage In a message dated 7/30/02 9:07:03 PM, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: >I once saw Autechre play an amazing set. They sat down on the corner of >a >stage and performed in complete darkness with only the glare from their >laptops to illuminate their faces. I stood down the front and the visual >spectacle of having them sat in front of you, locked into their own groove >and generating all these incredible sounds was enough for me! sounds great. that IS a visual. i would imagine it was quite striking too. i in no way meant to imply that electronic artists should travel around with laser light shows and pyrotechnics! kaninus stood 3/4 turned away from the audience. music doesn't have to be exciting for me to consider it interesting, but there needs to be something to warrant me standing in a hot crowded room (i retract my former statement about the age of the audience. i was just describing who was at this particular show) watching it performed live. and really, a video projector costs more than a film or slide projector, but none of them cost as much as the laptop the musician is using. i would bet that with a little planning, any musician can find several visual artists in every city <---on topic part :o) who would project something onto the stage for free. - -paul c.d. p.s. i think the curtain idea, with the air guitar players in front is a great idea! p.p.s. i know plenty of people who complain about guitar bands who just stand there and play. i'm not one of them. i'm happy if i can see what the musician is doing. i liked pansonic live. the instruments and the faces of the musicians were visible. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:48:49 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Paul sed....... i sed: >> > more knowledgeable, skilled, experienced you are at >> > something, the more >> > difficult it becomes to improvise or experiment >> > withing that medium. ari sed: >> >> Disagree here Paul,you are obviously not into >> Jazz.......or you'd know that the greater ,the >> older,the more expeienced the musician,the greater > >> his/her ability to improvise.Ari keith sed: >I agree with you on the improvisation front, Ari, but I think Paul's >lecturer is right when it comes to *experimentation* (though admittedly >there are exceptions). Mind you, I'm a bit suspicious of 'improvisers' >- >who's to say they haven't improvised that bit before? the thing is that the more technically skilled an artist is, the better he/she will be at knowing what the outcome of a particular action will be before doing it. that's part of being skilled. so, it's only natural that the difficulty level (pertaining to improvisation and experimentation) increases as skill increases. i do like jazz, and that is something that makes the greats great. however, to touch on keith's last point, i don't listen to diz and bird with the sense that their improvising was spontaneous. i think they had a connection that allowed them to play together, unrehearsed, but they knew what they were doing for the most part. their improvisation was within certain boundaries they set up for themselves as artists, individually and together. they're just one example. and of course there are exceptions to any rule. the same professor i had the experimentation chat with also assigned me the task of describing certain artists in a set number of words. he asked for one word to describe john cage. the word was "chance" there is an immediacy to the sound of wire that (to me) implies an amount of experimentation is often going on. i would say their live shows certainly attest to that. that they can continue to explore their art (individually and collectively) in that way demonstrates a level of mastery, mr. gilbert being the example this topic started on. coltrane, miles, ornette coleman, and dolphy (whose work i'm a bit less familiar with)... all masters of improvisation, and i'm sure to a degree, experimentation as well. last bit, i promise...without consulting a dictionary i'd say that improvising is more "doing something spontaneous in an area or with tools with which you have some skill" while experimenting is "trying something without knowing what the outcome will be"...there's a big grey spongy area between the two, and they are in a liquid state, seeping into adjacent areas, sometimes overlapping or even mixing :o) - -another the paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #252 *******************************