From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #246 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, July 27 2002 Volume 05 : Number 246 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] the kitchen motors show (again)/pt.1.02 [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Icey A ["Fergus Kelly" ] [idealcopy] MZUI..no batter time than the present! [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] MZUI..no batter time than the present! [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] 12NewU ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] KREV X (U Changing the Men) ["Bill Hick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the kitchen motors show (again)/pt.1.02 - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/25/02 6:36:14 PM Central > Daylight Time, Rain19c@aol.com > writes: > > > > i just got a copy of this in the mail (many thanks > to ari!) and after one > > listen, i am quite impressed. > > > > yes, BIG thanks to Ari ! i liked the show as > well...Did anybody tape the > second part with MUM? or has it been broadcast yet? > > Robert Lynn It's on it's way-Ari(you should get it today) Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 03:22:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: All Tomorrow's Parties News/OT - --- All Tomorrow's Parties wrote: > From: "All Tomorrow's Parties" > To: > Subject: All Tomorrow's Parties News > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:28:08 +0100 > > Dear ATP Friends, > > NEWS UPDATE - 26 JULY 2002 > > MORE ARTIST CONFIRMATIONS FOR ATP UK 2003 > > AUTECHRE TO RELEASE STUNNING NEW EP > > TORTOISE PLAY ALL DAYER IN LONDON > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > MORE ARTISTS CONFIRMED FOR ATP > > We have just added some new bands and DJs to next > years Autechre curated > ATP. We are happy to announce that Coil, SND, > Venetian Snares and Sluta > Leta (Mego) will be joining the likes of Aphex Twin, > The Fall, Jim > O'Rourke and Push Button Objects. Along with some > great DJs lined up > that include Baby Ford, Mark Broom, Andrea Parker > and Req who have all > been added. > > For those in the dark who keep asking me > ''what is all this stuff? I have never heard of > it''. > Have patience young Jedi's as it will all come > together shortly and you > will start to see how the whole line up develops. > If in doubt, buy some > records by these artists and investigate, you will > not be disappointed. > We are going to provide biographies on each artist > and these will be > available by next week. This is what ATP is about - > discovering new music > and trusting the curators choice. Some of you would > prefer names you > already know - and there is a festival called V2002 > that you might prefer? > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > NATIONAL TRUST ADDED TO BIG LONDON TORTOISE ALL > DAYER > > Yes, 2001's ATP curators Tortoise are celebrating > their US record labels > 10th birthday by playing an exclusive ALL DAYER show > along with the rest > of Thrill Jockey roster at London's Ocean. > Tickets are 20.00 and includes a wristband to see > all 9 bands and DJs and > each guest will receive a free CD > > The show is an ALL DAYER and features live > performances from the following > and please note The National Trust have just been > added too : > > TORTOISE > THE SEA AND CAKE > TRANS AM > NATIONAL TRUST - (Just added) > BOBBY KONN (Karoke Set) > CHICAGO UNDERGROUND DUO > ELEVENTH DREAM DAY > BROKEBACK > RADIAN > > + Stereolab DJs Justin and Tim and the ATP DJs + > films screenings > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > AUTECHRE NEW EP RELEASED ON WARP RECORDS > > NEW AUTECHRE EP/DVD: GANTZ GRAF: WAP256 - Released > August 5th. > Three new tracks from Autechre available on CD, > vinyl or CD/DVD double > pack. The DVD is Autechre's first ever collection of > videos and Warp's > first DVD release. > > Audio Tracks: 1) Gantz Graf 2) Dial. 3) Cap. IV > Videos: 1) Gantz Graf 2) Second Bad Vilbel > (Re-edit) 3) Bass Cadet > > Gantz Graf - Directed by Alex Rutterford. > Use this link to watch a small Quicktime clip of > this stunning video: > http://www.warprecords.com/gantz_graf/ > Second Bad Vilbel - Directed by Chris Cunningham. > The version included here has never been seen > before, it has been > completely remade for the DVD by Chris Cunningham. > Bass Cadet - Directed by J.S. Hunter. > This video appeared on Warp's Artificial > Intelligence video > compilation and is directed by Jess Scott-Hunter. > > All orders placed at Warpmart will receive new > autechre stickers in their > package. > www.warprecords.com/mart > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ALL TOMORROW'S PARTIES 2003 > > UK - April 4-6 2003 - Curated by Autechre > USA (LA) - June 19-22 2003 - Curated by Matt > Groening > USA (NY) - Sept 19-21 2003 curated by Stephen > Malkmus and the Jicks > > > www.alltomorrowsparties.co.uk > > Thanks > > Barry > ATP ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:36:11 +0100 From: "Garry Phillipson" Subject: [idealcopy] Re. Naming Issues Don't start me off. I've got all these group names lurking in my past: 1) James Levin & the Great Big Billy Goats. Well, it was Liverpool in 1979. The name was mentioned in the pages of the NME a couple of times, purely because of novelty value (the group itself was always pretty tenuous). 2) Part Form. When it started to look as if we really were going to produce something, we decided that the novelty of being JL&TGBBG's would pale. It was just 3 of us plus a portastudio producing stuff that aspired to be Neu/Kraftwerk/Joy Division/Faust . A freak intervention by a friend got a cassette pressed into the palm of John Peel's producer when he was doing the show from Liverpool for a week, and that very night we turned on the radio after the pub joking about how one of our tracks would be next up. To our astonishment, it was. Nothing could describe that moment. For a few weeks we thought we'd cracked the music biz. We got small reviews in the NME, electro-music mags, plus a couple of songs played on Radio Merseyside... whereby hangs a tale. RM couldn't play cassettes, it had to be on a reel to reel. So we dug out an old reel to reel, bunged a couple of tracks on, and handed it in. When they broadcast it, they played the tape in 4-track mode. This meant that what went out over the airwaves was the tracks we intended, plus all kinds of other stuff, going backwards, from the other side of the tape. It probably says a lot about our music that it didn't really make that much difference. A comment from the DJ probably sums us up quite well. After one track he said, 'Well, I don't know what kind of pictures that summons up for you. But last week I saw the members of Part Form at the Cabaret Voltaire gig, and they were bopping around as if it was Culture Club. So they obviously perceive some kind of rhythm in that dark, metallic noise.' We sold a couple of hundred cassettes (mostly to Germany - which seemed apt since that's where most of our influences were from) and then kind of fizzled out without really getting anywhere. Subsequent projects were more or less for amusement only. 3) The Jazz Masters. Seemed like a good idea for a name at the time, less so now. 4) Life Itself. Still like that one. 5) Financial Consultant, Name of Vicki. My, I feel much better for sharing that with y'all. GarryP ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:50:44 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re. Naming Issues > Don't start me off. > > I've got all these group names lurking in my past: > > 1) James Levin & the Great Big Billy Goats. An old mate of mine was in a group whilst at Stoke Art School in the early 80's, that had one of my fave band names ever... Small European Cars Coming Into The Country (usually abbreviated to Small European Cars...) Think they got mentioned on Peel just on the strength of their name. Readers of a certain age from the Midlands *might* have heard of them or the Joy Division/Josef K influenced group they mutated into - Nadsat Patio - as they gigged quite extensively in that region at the time... Keith NP Sparks - Balls ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:59:38 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re. Naming Issues > Small European Cars Coming Into The Country > > (usually abbreviated to Small European Cars...) ////that's dreadful..... > Think they got mentioned on Peel just on the strength of their name. Readers > of a certain age from the Midlands *might* have heard of them or the Joy > Division/Josef K influenced group they mutated into - > Nadsat Patio ////but that's much better. some of my favourite silly band names ; the beech buoys surreal estate con-dom thrush puppies heavy flow automatic dlamini velvet underpants worst name i've heard in years ; MBA mind you the latest batch of nu-punk bands have virtually all got crap names really. i am holding back my best names in case i decide to use them of course.p ps i made one of those silly band names up so if you're really bored you can try to guess which one......... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:07:50 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] R+B NME Wire review from NME>COM: In the late '70s, Wire were punks out of step with punk. Now, after sporadic reincarnations and experimental projects, we find the band regrouped once more, reprising their most influential blueprint and, happily, no less out of step. As befits a band with an art-school background, Wire's music has remained a design classic. Influential in its time on the likes of Blur and Elastica, it's about shortness, sharpness and tunefulness, and these are qualities 'Read & Burn' has in abundance. Well, not exactly abundance. Economy being a Wire trademark, these six songs come in at 17 minutes, but in this slim volume of three-chord thrashing (particularly in 'Germ Ship') there's proof that while punk may reside in middle age, in some quarters its vital signs have never shown more strongly. (8) John Robinson What with all these glowing reviews we can now safely call Wire's latest waxing '"The Critically Acclaimed Read & Burn 01". All we need now is for people to go and buy the thing. Has anyone read a bad review yet?! ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:58:25 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Icey A Did anyone get any good photos at the ICA ? Mark M? My review of MZUI (20 years later!) has just gone up at wireviews if anyone's interested: http://www.wireviews.com/reviews/mzui.html The more I think about it, the more absurd it seems - to review something that came out 20 years ago, is no longer available, and is not being rereleased... but... I just had to throw in me tuppence ha'penny's worth for the history books... Fergus _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:16:29 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] MZUI..no batter time than the present! In a message dated 7/26/02 11:58:54 AM Central Daylight Time, fkelly88@hotmail.com writes: << My review of MZUI (20 years later!) has just gone up at wireviews if anyone's interested: http://www.wireviews.com/reviews/mzui.html >> May i be the first to say: "well done Fergus"....This is a great review! Actually, i think it's quite alright to go back in time and review something...especially something as interesting as MZUI.... by the way, the part about the microphone swinging over the amplifier..did you know that John Cage actually did this many years ago?...you can hear Sonic Youth put it into practice on a compilation that i have...but damned if i can remember the name of it!...anyway, nice job Fergus! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:20:54 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] MZUI..no batter time than the present! uh, this should read: MZUI..no better time than the present! i either have cake, cricket, or baseball on the brain.. and since i don't know the first thing about cricket and since i despise baseball (and most sports in general) It MUST be cake! so i think i will try to rustle some up at lunch time! sometimes things have a funny way of working out! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:18:15 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] 12NewU They showed us an image. - -> Colin reflected as 'nazi on drugs' who bobs 'like a baboon.' What did their image mean? One hopes more sales for WIRE group. But this nazi drug baboon really seems a better description of Butthole Surfer Gibson Haynes. In fact its perfect. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP KREV X "Perfect just for Spit!" (WIRE ~ Spent) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:22:14 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] KREV X (U Changing the Men) "Citizens of Elgaland~Vargaland!" ////so what's it like? is graham's track much good? Its fuckin' excellent!!! It's play ten times in a row addictive POPFIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Fennesz, Gilbert & Andreas Karperyd tracks are also very rhythmically enticing and the whole thing is pretty damn good. But the Lewis track alone is worth the price of letting the twin kings cross your borders to change your menu. It's pretty much the poppiest track on there. KREV X is a much more exciting experiment than this Sonic Mook pulyrdikov thing - I'd advise just buying the 2nd Gen & Liars albums as most of the rest of it varies from OK to utterly irritating playpen retro tosh, although Ikara Colt & McClusky offer nicely energetic tracks that are much better than anything else I've heard by either band. But in terms of 'Future Rock'n'Roll' a blast of Andreas Karperyd's track from KREV X makes most of the Sonic Mook thing seem very light'n'fluffy. Interesting that Karperyd ends his track the same way Liars end their album...! And Jan Noorda rocks! "You have come a long way For such a short stay" (WIRE ~ Mr Marx's Table) I've only been able to catch about 4-5 hours sleep a night since Saturday as the adrenalin wouldn't subside! The physical effects have just about subsided by Friday evening, but intellectually and emotionally this magog will resonate for the rest of my life. WIRE are in such powerful shape its almost frightening. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Enon - Believo! "It's a heaven sent extinction event" (WIRE ~ Comet) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:08:42 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] KREV X (U Changing the Men) In a message dated 7/26/02 1:27:48 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: << I've only been able to catch about 4-5 hours sleep a night since Saturday as the adrenalin wouldn't subside! The physical effects have just about subsided by Friday evening, but intellectually and emotionally this magog will resonate for the rest of my life. WIRE are in such powerful shape its almost frightening. >> you are only making me more and more anxious for September 14th in Chicago!....time moves so slow in the heat of July/August/early September...i have not been this excited for a show in a long time....a friend of mine said that the Oxxes are opening for Wire on the east coast...Does anyone know if that will hold true for the Chicago show?...i'd much rather see/hear some Bruce Gilbert, Graham Lewis-Ocsid-He Said/ or Immersion.... np Low - "Down" remixed by Porter Ricks... just finished: Free Chocolate Love by David Shea and Scanner upcoming: Parrallel by Black Dog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:13:05 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] anorak just for fun i looked up Anorak in the dictionary: a.no.rak: a heavy jacket with a hood, worn in the cold north... hmmmm..i don't get it...what do you Copyists mean when you say things like: "i won the golden anorak" ? i don't get it.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:33:48 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] anorak Robert, > just for fun i looked up Anorak in the dictionary: > a.no.rak: > a heavy jacket with a hood, worn in the cold north... > hmmmm..i don't get it...what do you Copyists mean when you say things like: > > "i won the golden anorak" ? i don't get it.... > > Here in the UK the practice of Trainspotting (nothing to do with films > about Glaswegian junkies) has long been a popular pastime for (a) small > boys and (b) older, single blokes who live with their mums (age 32). > > Trainspotting (or 'gricing') involves standing at the end of a railway > station platform in the most miserable of weather, looking at trains, and > writing down the fleet numbers of the trains you see in a small notebook, > with the ultimate goal of having seen every one. > > As this is a year-round activity, it is important to wear sturdy and > practical clothing. As fashion has passed most of the participants by, the > anorak (cheap, hooded, nylon quilted jacket available from army surplus > stores or cheap outdoor wear emporiums) is an essential acoutrement of > gricing. > > Henceforth it is common practice to refer to trainspotters as "anoraks". > This term has entered the language and refers to anyone whose behaviour is > in some way obsessive, or who displays outstandingly deep levels of > knowledge about exceptionally obscure things. A golden anorak is my invention - a fictitious award given to someone displaying > levels of obsessiveness or trivial knowledge of outstanding merit... > > After all, it takes one to know one... > > Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:47:23 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] anorak ahh...thanks Mr. Bursa! now that i know, maybe i can rack up some golden anoraks of my own...er, or maybe i have already ! RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 02:08:09 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ot- Re: swinging microphones In a message dated 7/26/02 1:16:58 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: >by the way, the part about the microphone swinging over the amplifier..did > >you know that John Cage actually did this many years ago?...you can hear > >Sonic Youth put it into practice on a compilation that i have...but damned >if >i can remember the name of it! just reminded me of a virgin prunes recording that i remembered incorrectly. i'll explain (in case anyone's interested. if not, delete this email now) :o)... there were two recordings. both appear on the prunes' over the rainbow compilation. one recording is of band members blindfolded, climbing scaffolding. i thought they had tied microphones to themselves to record it, but they actually tied iron bars to themselves. i guess the mics were stationary. anyway, the second recording is the one with the swinging mics. it's called mad bird in the wood and consists of hanging microphones that swung around making feedback as pigeons flew into the house (where the recording was done) through a hole in the roof and "commited suicide" flying around inside and smacking into walls. whew. i bet you're glad you read that. cheers, paul (i saw mzm tonight and they kick ass) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 03:01:51 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] r&b electronica and the stage i apologize, in advance, for any rambling i do after this: just got back from seeing mzm. they rule. after seeing section 25 in 1985, a friend who attended one show with me said they were the best band he ever saw perform live with electronics. i agreed, easily enough because they were a fave of mine at that time. tonight i am convinced that mzm are the best band i've ever seen combine electronic and acoustic instruments. they also had two guest drummers whose names escape me, but who also added much kinetic energy to the music. it was like experiencing godspeed you black emperor!, but where the gentle parts beared much resemblance, the sound would build not to the gigantic emotive swells of gybe!, but to a tremendous wave of acoustic melodies and acoustic/electronic rhythms that meshed beautifully. they played a variety of instruments, including four different melodicas! that might hold as a record unless a future helvitis symphony is composed for melodicas! i can't express more how great a feeling i left the show with...i'm glad they were the last thing i saw... kippi kaninus opened the show. here comes my complaint, again, about live electronic music. labradford left me with the same feeling. where mzm is (imo) the supreme example of how great electronics can be in a live setting, kaninus (alone on stage except for one of the guest drummers on the opening song) demonstrated how pointless it is to perform electronica, sans anything else, in a nightclub. here we are, crammed into the hot steamy smokey knitting factory, standing and watching a guy twiddle knobs. someone please tell me why anyone would want to do this when i can sit at home and hear it from my sofa in my air conditioned living room? had i not been there to see mzm, i could've had kippi's cd (for keeps) for two dollars less than the cost of standing in a sweatbox with 300 college kids. he stood dead center stage, angled away from the audience bruce gilbert style. he rocked back and forth a bit, shook some piece of equipment in his hand for one song, but otherwise i'm standing there...in a sweatbox with 300 college kids, looking at this guy's left ear and shoulder! you'd better f'ing well be bruce gilbert if you're gonna stand there like that! :o) the sounds were fine. no complaints there. but why do so many of these guys get up on stage in a club (a venue for visual performance) and proceed to perform without a visual? i just don't get it. well, i got to the city too late to go pick up a wire ticket at irving plaza tonight. i'm really looking forward to september though. next trip to the city, i'll get it. so, several of us have commented that the recent reviews fail to recognize the electronic element in wire's new sound. i'm curious to know, from those of you who saw the recent gigs, how the sound differed from the cd. are the instrument sounds being altered by anything (afayk), aside from traditional guitar effects i mean. is the live sound being processed in any way that gives the concert sound the feel of the cd? are they playing with...raw power? i have enjoyed the ica reviews so far. i don't mind hearing more...if there's more to tell. :o) paul (one of the twins autographed my) c.d. :o) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #246 *******************************