From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #244 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, July 25 2002 Volume 05 : Number 244 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT(ish) - old band saga...everybody needs a... [MarkBursa] [idealcopy] ICA IC [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] ICA IC [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] ICA IC [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Fw: [Fireparty] Yet another obit//something for the IC oldies ["DAVID HEALE" ] [idealcopy] Sad Bastard ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Read Burn Buy a Ticket and Go ["janjnoorda" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:18:12 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT(ish) - old band saga...everybody needs a... > Sensoria (spot the Cabs influence kids!) I was once part of a proto-sampling synth duo called the Mix-up, so cabs band names are allowable ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:41:23 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ICA IC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:00:53 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ICA IC well just to say it was certainly a splendid night , guess from other comments everybody else felt much the same. only the 2nd time i've been to the ICA , must say its one of my favourite venues of that kind of size in london , certainly better than the sweatbox garage (though a little more pricey at the bar). i really enjoyed the preamble. first there was a nice set of bruce bruceness , then the he said "pump" video. not cut short , that's the strangely truncated 7" version which the video was made around (thought ; a 4 minute version might be nice?). am i right that the soundtrack had been doctored ; it seemed like he was saying "thump". maybe just the acoustics... then you had a chunk of the bruce/ian sinclair "london orbital" C4 film , very good and made me want to track down the whole thing. like that's going to be easy. then the bumpy vid ; suspect that'll never be available commercially as there a fat chance of getting clearance from mr mathers or the bbc. then after a nice wire (not immersion) overture (thinks ; that'd make a nice screen saver) on came the lads. great performance , same set as ATP but we got a second encore of drill whereas at camber they got 12xu. i think it was a bit tighter than bristol , fabulous (and deserved) audience reaction to get them back for a 2nd encore when maybe the bar was beckoning :-) but the current 10 song set really kills , all you americans really should try and catch the tour out there as its looking a bit special. RnB2 looking a very good proposition as well......... kevin showed me a sort of "menu" for the night but they'd all run out by the time i got there (which was pretty early). anybody care to transcribe one or post up a scan somewhere? and the next questions are ; did the peel session get recorded? does this video exist yet? nice seeing all you guys again , lets hope we can do it again before the year's out . p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:00:59 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ICA IC well just to say it was certainly a splendid night , guess from other comments everybody else felt much the same. only the 2nd time i've been to the ICA , must say its one of my favourite venues of that kind of size in london , certainly better than the sweatbox garage (though a little more pricey at the bar). i really enjoyed the preamble. first there was a nice set of bruce bruceness , then the he said "pump" video. not cut short , that's the strangely truncated 7" version which the video was made around (thought ; a 4 minute version might be nice?). am i right that the soundtrack had been doctored ; it seemed like he was saying "thump". maybe just the acoustics... then you had a chunk of the bruce/ian sinclair "london orbital" C4 film , very good and made me want to track down the whole thing. like that's going to be easy. then the bumpy vid ; suspect that'll never be available commercially as there a fat chance of getting clearance from mr mathers or the bbc. then after a nice wire (not immersion) overture (thinks ; that'd make a nice screen saver) on came the lads. great performance , same set as ATP but we got a second encore of drill whereas at camber they got 12xu. i think it was a bit tighter than bristol , fabulous (and deserved) audience reaction to get them back for a 2nd encore when maybe the bar was beckoning :-) but the current 10 song set really kills , all you americans really should try and catch the tour out there as its looking a bit special. RnB2 looking a very good proposition as well......... kevin showed me a sort of "menu" for the night but they'd all run out by the time i got there (which was pretty early). anybody care to transcribe one or post up a scan somewhere? and the next questions are ; did the peel session get recorded? does this video exist yet? nice seeing all you guys again , lets hope we can do it again before the year's out . p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:14:47 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: [Fireparty] Yet another obit//something for the IC oldies cheers David - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:28 AM Subject: [Fireparty] Yet another obit > Fire Party - http://www.beefheart.com/ > > > Seymour Solomon, 80 > > Founded Vanguard record label > > By Associated Press, 7/21/2002 > > NEW YORK - Seymour Solomon, who founded a record label known for signing > greats > in American folk music, died Thursday. He was 80. > > > Mr. Solomon founded Vanguard Records in 1950 with his brother, Maynard. The > label dominated American folk music, recording famed artists such as Odetta, > Joan Baez, and Buffy Sainte-Marie. It also signed such jazz and blues legends > as Mississippi John Hurt and Buddy Guy and maintained a strong classical list. > > Beginning in the early days of the label, the Solomons took risks, signing > performers such as the Weavers and Paul Robeson who had been blacklisted > during > the McCarthy era. Starting in 1959, Vanguard recorded the Newport Folk > Festival > and later recorded the Newport Jazz festival as well. > > Born in Manhattan, Mr. Solomon studied violin at Juilliard and played in the > Air Corps Orchestra during World War II. After the war he went to graduate > school for musicology at New York University. He worked as a critic for > several > music magazines and did commentary for radio stations. > > Mr. Solomon and his brother sold Vanguard in 1985 to the Welk Record Group > and > three years later opened Omega Classics. Mr. Solomon later bought back > Vanguard's old classical catalog and reissued it on compact disc under the > Omega and Vanguard Classics labels. > > This story ran on page B8 of the Boston Globe on 7/21/2002. > ) Copyright 2002 Globe Newspaper Company. > > -- > This message is from the fireparty@beefheart.com mailing list. > To unsubscribe, send an email with "unsubscribe" in the subject (without > the inverted commas) to fireparty-request@beefheart.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 04:30:18 +0200 From: "frederik jensen" Subject: [idealcopy] [ot] not interested hi all, im looking for the merge magazine cd + omala releases in general + robert rental paralysis 7" + ac marias so drop 7" + z'ev bust this lp would anybody on this list be ready to share these jewels with me, if possible? apologies to those not interested... frederik jensen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:41:20 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Prim Scram Sale >>>>Primal Screams last album was overly-bombastic, rubbish, and Kevin Sheilds is completely wasted on them. Its like Bruce Gilbert joining the Sterephonics. Paste in your slagging of Helvitis here! >>>>Bobby Gillespie is the worlds worst lyric writer. The f**king Thompson Twins had better lyrics. PS Never was a band so inappropriately named. The Thompson Twins out of Tintin books of old certainly had better lyrics. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Albert Ayler - Spriits Rejopice (ESP) NB This also has better lyrics than Prim Scram Sale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:47:20 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Sad Bastard >>>I want to read some more reports from the ICA gig which I was unable to attend. >>>So I'm posting random posts to see if I can push the next digest from the server. Try remote viewing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:25:33 +0200 From: "janjnoorda" Subject: [idealcopy] Read Burn Buy a Ticket and Go That is my strong advise to every americain who lives in a city where one of the greatest band of the UK, will show and hear their sonic output. Go to see this. They are in a very good shape at the moment. Their pre-USAtour gig was great. I am still in a very euphoric mood. And have to much energy. Cycled nearly 120 km to my hometown yesterday and even not tired yet. Not only the gig. Also to see the Ideal Copy people who were there. Fantastic to see the faces behind their names. Glad some Touch people were also there. So I did become the latest release with a Wire-member output. The Elga-Vargaland 10 years anniversary 2cd. Yes Bart, you missed this. Nevertheless you have another chance. They are coming to Holland. Colin gave an announcement to play for the Crossing Border festival in the Melkweg Amsterdam this year. That's a good one If you don't like it I don't like you ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:16:39 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT(ish) - old band saga...everybody needs a... tim said... > Keith refused to reveal the legend: > > >hahaha...you've got no chance mate...we weren't THAT well known anyway or > >that good...i've already refused to divulge this info to several IC-ers..... hey! it wasn't me!!! it was young Ian getting all shy on us. I've admitted liking a Sinitta single - I don't know the meaning of the word 'shame'! > >we DID namecheck Wire as a prime influence in our one and only NME > >feature/interview... Our band (The Glass Display) never got a mention in the national weeklies, apart from the gig guide and letters page (and even then I wrote one of the letters!). We did get short demo reviews in Cut and Underground mags, one of which quoted us as saying we were a cross between Crispy Ambulance and Chic! > Sensoria (spot the Cabs influence kids!) As Mark reckons it's OK to call groups after the Cabs, can I suggest that another 41 yr old on the site here join me in four years time in a CV-like duo called 2X45 ; ) > Still none of these band names are as awful as the following worst band > names ever: > > The Beach Boys Surely not! > I dare say other listees may be able to share their own band name 'issues' > with us. When I was 15, I was in band called Onyx which had a Yes like logo. However, listening back, our Tuna Buttie Blues anthem sounded more like Chuck Berry than prog rock. I'd like to think that as it was in the summer of '76 we were in tune with what was happening in London at that time, but this would be a classic case of revisionism. We simply couldn't play any better - thank god eh! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:21:44 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT(ish) - old band saga...everybody needs a... > As Mark reckons it's OK to call groups after the Cabs, can I suggest that > another 41 yr old on the site here join me in four years time in a CV-like > duo called 2X45 ; ) I'd be delighted! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:56:05 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] Read Burn Buy a Ticket and Go Return-path: From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Full-name: PaulRabjohn Message-ID: <6a.235630da.2a706e49@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:55:37 EDT Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Read Burn Buy a Ticket and Go To: janj.noorda@tiscali.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10500 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain > So I did become the latest release > with a Wire-member output. The Elga-Vargaland 10 years anniversary 2cd. > ////so what's it like? is graham's track much good? not heard that yet.......p ps so you mean wire are playing holland or colin/malka? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:47:44 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Sex and Guts - --And don't you think the reviewer, Stephen Rowland, should stop holding back and say what he really feels? Robert (another) *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 01:06:25 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] Wire are not a cuddly band FROM: THE GUARDIAN Wire 4 stars ICA, London Betty Clarke Guardian Wednesday July 24, 2002 While the Sex Pistols ready themselves for another assault on their back catalogue, post-punk heroes Wire are too busy attacking the future to bother with their past. Always a little wiser than their contemporaries, their outsider status has enhanced their cool. Now the question is whether their trademark aggression and louche petulance can exist alongside their greying hair and comfortable trousers -though singer Colin Newman's T-shirt, bearing the legend "bastard", suggests the attitude remains intact. Wire were the band that took the anti-art school punk movement back into the classroom. Their 1977 debut album Pink Flag, a collection of fiery, minimalist missives that combined a youthful energy with a haughty disdain, has become the template for every band that loves a good book as much as a great guitar riff. Colin Newman's voice sneers across the jagged chords of Germ Ship, while Graham Lewis plays a heavy bassline, his face contorted with concentration. Wire are showcasing their new mini-album, Read and Burn - their first new material for a decade - and, though the songs are unfamiliar, the dizzying rush remains. Choppy rhythms fly and fall, swooping unpredictably before dying against a wall of screeching sound. Newman snatches at lyrics with an intensity echoed by Robert "Gotobed" Grey's ear-splitting drums, shouting with an expression of bemused detachment. Wire are not a cuddly band. Their determination to be distinctive dispels any notion of catchy choruses - Newman is often incomprehensible - and there is a tension that's not restricted to their strung-out songs. Newman plays rhythm guitar against, rather than with, Bruce Gibert's lead, and each member of the band turns away from the other as they battle for prominence. Sweat drips from Lewis as he sings The Agfers of Kodack, his mouth quivering with anger, while Newman hunches over his guitar, pacing back and forth before whining over Comet's bouncy melody. The pace relents only for the classic Lowdown, Lewis's grubby bassline humming as Newman bops like a baboon towards his microphone, his movements awkward but compelling, just like his music. ===== kevin eden e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wireviews.com "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #244 *******************************