From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #239 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, July 20 2002 Volume 05 : Number 239 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] US problems with BBC [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] the marvelous crooning child [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Bootleg B'dum [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Really going for Gold Anorak Now! ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Bootleg B'dum [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Chicago Wire tickets on sale momentarily ["dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] US problems with BBC - --- Andrew Westmeyer wrote: > Is anyone else in the US having trouble accessing > the Mixing It show on > the BBC Radio3 web page? Here is the link I'm going > to: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio3_aod.shtml?mixingit > > I don't have problems with any other audio > connections, so I'm > wondering what's going on. No Problems here Andrew,maybe it's the time of day you are accessing,try late at night when most people are off the net,less traffic= smoother connection.Ari > > > > > ===== ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:44:28 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] the marvelous crooning child funny but kinda creepy... A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Andrew - -- "When I drive alone at night, I see the streetlights as fairgrounds, And I tried a hundred times, to see the road-signs as day-glo..." - - Mogwai, "Cody" ('Come On, Die Young') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:28:12 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] Chicago Wire tickets on sale momentarily The folks at the Metro tell me that Wire's Sept. 14th show should be available via Ticketmaster momentarily... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:35:03 -0400 From: "DAN L ROSE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chicago Wire tickets on sale momentarily I purchased 4 tickets for the September 21st show in Atlanta a few weeks back. Anybody else going? Dan Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:28:12 -0500 To: idealcopy@smoe.org From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] Chicago Wire tickets on sale momentarily The folks at the Metro tell me that Wire's Sept. 14th show should be available via Ticketmaster momentarily... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:51:37 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chicago Wire tickets on sale momentarily At 01:35 PM 7/19/2002 -0400, DAN L ROSE wrote: >I purchased 4 tickets for the September 21st show in Atlanta a few >weeks back. Anybody else going? Dan That's the one I'd be attending if I didn't have a prior commitment that weekend. Only show within driving distance of me. Dan, you're now morally obligated to provide a setlist and gig review to the list. :-) BTW, the tickets are available, 'cos I just bought two. So I'm booked for the Windy City. And to offer a belated answer to Michael Flaherty's bemused question: >As a Chicagoan I feel obligated to say: Marshall Field is in your top 5? ;) When it's decked out in its Christmas regalia, yes, especially when you have a wife who adores Christmas decorations. :-) However, I'll be surprised if the tree's up in September. I'll substitute the Punkin' Donuts for it, howzzat? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:48:47 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chicago Wire tickets on sale momentarily In a message dated 7/19/02 12:44:52 PM Central Daylight Time, wireadmin@mindspring.com writes: << BTW, the tickets are available, 'cos I just bought two. So I'm booked for the Windy City. >> i just went to ticket master's website and i can't find Wire listed for the Metro in Chicago anywhere...how did you order tickets? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:57:38 -0400 From: "DAN L ROSE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chicago Wire tickets on sale momentarily Would be honored to provide requested setlist/review. Would it be naughty to record it? Dan Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:51:37 -0500 To: idealcopy@smoe.org From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chicago Wire tickets on sale momentarily At 01:35 PM 7/19/2002 -0400, DAN L ROSE wrote: >I purchased 4 tickets for the September 21st show in Atlanta a few >weeks back. Anybody else going? Dan That's the one I'd be attending if I didn't have a prior commitment that weekend. Only show within driving distance of me. Dan, you're now morally obligated to provide a setlist and gig review to the list. :-) BTW, the tickets are available, 'cos I just bought two. So I'm booked for the Windy City. And to offer a belated answer to Michael Flaherty's bemused question: >As a Chicagoan I feel obligated to say: Marshall Field is in your top 5? ;) When it's decked out in its Christmas regalia, yes, especially when you have a wife who adores Christmas decorations. :-) However, I'll be surprised if the tree's up in September. I'll substitute the Punkin' Donuts for it, howzzat? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:34:59 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chicago Wire tickets on sale momentarily At 01:48 PM 7/19/2002 -0400, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 7/19/02 12:44:52 PM Central Daylight Time, >wireadmin@mindspring.com writes: > ><< BTW, the tickets are available, 'cos I just bought two. So I'm booked for > the Windy City. >> > > >i just went to ticket master's website and i can't find Wire listed for the >Metro in Chicago anywhere...how did you order tickets? https://ticketing.ticketmaster.com/cgi/purchasePage.asp?event_id=40034F38AD00F16&artistid=821240&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1 If that doesn't work, try http://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/821240. The Chicago show is the third one in the current listing. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:41:54 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bootleg B'dum Bill scoffed and scorned: > >>>This is a 3 CD MP3 collection with 432 tracks plus 11 DJ mixes. 42 > hours of >music in total! > > >But it's all on MP3 so it probably sounds shite with all the compression Not really. 128kps MP3 sounds as good as a tape or CD if you crank up the EQ. Parts of Document and EyeWitness sound shite but I still like listening to it. > >>>Rough Trade are selling it, but be quick cos its not legal! > > >Just like all those old V/Vm records Yeah but unlike those old V/vm records it is listenable, and contains some moments of genuine musical invention and humour. >Just like Cuturcide's Tacky Souvenir's of Pre-Revolutionary America 'They aren't the world' is on the CD! >Just like those old Jon Oswald records Three of his tracks are on the CD! >Just like that old Negativland U2 thing four of their tracks are on the CD! >Just like all those old hip-hop records A few of these are on the CD, and many of the mixes are cutting up old hip hop records This isn't some dumb ass collection, its carefully and lovingly compiled as a potted history of un-authorised sampling. Its not just a bunch of current bootleg stuff. >Who the fuckin' 'ell is Christina? A pop singer who is in the charts. > >>>You also get a whole load of uncleared-sampling tracks from the likes of >KLF, Chris Morris, Cassetteboy, DJ Shadow and several works of utter, utter >genius from the brilliant OsyMyso and Freelance Hellraiser. > > >So is it for people who are too retarded to sample stuff themselves? Of course not. I sample stuff myself,but I also enjoy hearing other people do it. Are Wire records for people who are too retarded to form a band and make their own records? >Stock, Hausen & Walkman were doing this much better than most of these >socalled bootleggers years ago. Check out Hairballs or Giving Up With S, H & W >(including chunks of Can, Gang of 4, the Fall). How do you know its not as good if you haven't heard the CD?! >The surprisisng thing is how long it took the big labels to catch on - if they >bootleg their own back catalogs they can save a fortune on all that studio >time! Quite. It seems they are catching on, hence the Numan sampling no.1 by Sugababes and Kylies recent Blue Monday hybrid. > >>>You also get the full length 'Intro Inspection' by Freelance Hellraiser >which is the best 15 minutes of music you will never legally hear! > > >Hopefully better than that tedious hyped to hell intro 12" by Osymyso? Apologies. It is the version by Osymyso. Tedious to those who prefer 15 minutes of pissed Icelanders playing with their organs. > >>>And 40 odd hours of other stuff. > >And if any of it is even half as funny as Negativland destroying U2 & Casey >Casem, I'll eat my cat. Like I said, the Negativland tune is on there. The Casetteboy and Chris Morris tracks are much funnier though. I don't advise you eat a cat, what with you being a Vegan. >Is there anything as catchy as that He Said Omala / Roy Orbison hybrid from a >few years back? Yes, even catchier than that. > >>>Alas there are no Wire sampling tracks....at least I haven't found one > yet. >Maybe I should make one! > >It isn't difficult to do is it? I've tried it a couple of times but not come up with anything usable yet. There is the track by Steve Gears on the Swim Team#1 CD that samples 'Ahead'. >Isn't this something like what Wire have done anyway? Dunno. I understand Colin is a big fan of bootlegs. I bet Bumpy could do a good one. >They just sample >themselves though. Does that mean no-one else can do it? >Ocsid did John Lennon though... Yoko claims that she invented Sampling, Rap and Disco in last months Mojo magazine. >Bruce Gilbert 'bootlegged' the Blast First >label for Blast First, in when was it? 1994 or so? Negativland in 91, KLF in 87..... >This whole 'bootleg' scene is so like, five years ago, man! Fifteen droning >organs is where it's at! 101 years old actually. In 1901, Librarian Lionel Mapleson became the worlds first bootlegger by recording singer Nellie Melba without her consent. > >>>http:\\www.boomselection.info > >The RIAA have reversed your slashes >Presumably that should've read > >http://www.boomselection.info Who's a clever boy then? ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:49:35 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bootleg B'dum In a message dated 7/19/02 1:45:00 PM Central Daylight Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: << >Hopefully better than that tedious hyped to hell intro 12" by Osymyso? Apologies. It is the version by Osymyso. Tedious to those who prefer 15 minutes of pissed Icelanders playing with their organs. >> hey now...watch that...i happend to enjoy the sounds of pissed Icelanders playing their organs!... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:06:00 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Really going for Gold Anorak Now! PFork>>>coming back from 86-91 >They played MOMA, Oxford in June 85 Wir recorded The First Letter at ORF Vienna in Feb 93. 85-93 (with an Erasure remix on the side) Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Kling Klang - Flying Hotel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:53:37 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] guardian great review of RnB in todays guardian , they seem to like it. also a whole page eulogising over this coral lp ; anyone heard that yet? p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:22:08 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] guardian >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >great review of RnB in todays guardian , they seem to like it. yeah...on the ball as usual...Dave Simpson probably ended up going out and buying one... >also a whole page eulogising over this coral lp ; anyone heard that yet? no, but i might just go out and get it unheard. not something i do at all these days, purely to see if it stands up to the review. i've only seen/heard the single 'Skeleton Key' on MTV2... not a case of supporting your 'local lads done good' i hasten to add... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 04:47:35 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bootleg B'dum After I wrote Robert wrote: >Apologies. It is the version by Osymyso. Tedious to those who prefer 15 > minutes of pissed Icelanders playing with their organs. > >> > >hey now...watch that.. Watch what? >.i happend to enjoy the sounds of pissed Icelanders >playing their organs!... Good for you Robert. I still thought the Organ Symphony was a very boring joke. The sound of a very clever and talented man wasting his talents by doing a long, lazy, arty, farty piss up against an Icelandic wall....on Radio 3. Maybe that was the intention? No one has yet been able to explain why the Organ Symphony is any good. Why is it good? ________________________________________ We're fat bastards and we don't care doo dah. http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:29:25 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chicago Wire tickets on sale momentarily haven't gone looking yet to find tickets, but wherever i might be in the southeast by then, i have every intention of going. dan >I purchased 4 tickets for the September 21st show in Atlanta a few >weeks back. Anybody else going? Dan > > >Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:28:12 -0500 >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >From: Miles Goosens >Subject: [idealcopy] Chicago Wire tickets on sale momentarily > >The folks at the Metro tell me that Wire's Sept. 14th show should be >available via Ticketmaster momentarily... > >later, > >Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:40:57 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wire - Idea Run Out? me: >>>>>a review of R&B from pitchfork, a haven for american indie rock/independent reviews.... graeme: It should perhaps be noted that this website is well up the arse of major labels. - ------- indeed, they cover a lot of records that are...well, shit. but it is a well known site (they claim 5000 hits a day or something) and hopefully it could sway some younger (think : under 23) listeners to wire. i consistently try to turn people my age on to wire and i am often met with crude indifference. america for you, right there. >>After a circuitous historical preamble, Pitchfork reviewer got round toew mentioning the disc in the machine, where he compared some tracks to othertracks they don't really sound much like...!<< they have this awful habit of not mentioning the cd in question until at least the third paragraph of nearly every review. they probably think it adds substance, but it is just tedious. their review of the latest breeders cd was a joke. ~michael, saw locust/lightning bolt the other day, going to see the free liars/sleater kinney show tomorrow ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:54:54 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bootleg B'dum In a message dated 7/19/02 10:48:24 PM Central Daylight Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > No one has yet been able to explain why the Organ Symphony is any good. Why > is it good? > drones can be good...i like drones of all different shapes, colors and sizes...and i happened to like these drones...they tickled my ear and brain...so i guess you aren't a fan of Gilbert's solo stuff? RL ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #239 *******************************