From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #236 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, July 17 2002 Volume 05 : Number 236 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: reviews [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] [idealcopy] The Helvitis Organ Symphony ["Cambra, Robert" ] [idealcopy] Interpol vs Enon ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Kitchen Motors Event Details ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Splitting Hares? ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Hafler Trio, NWW, Low ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] OT: Bastard Pop [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs in London/Scotland [MrSodium@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Scanners and things...mum mus [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] The Helvitis Organ Symphony [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs in London/Scotland [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:12:28 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: reviews Gill review is a good and perceptive one, but did they really 'eschew rebel attitude' on Pink Flag? Only in the sense that they weren't the Clash. This is too close to saying that Wire aren't 'political'. To which I would say bollocks. The other review (which is a bit of an object lesson of the benefits of the wordlimit constraints of print journalism, IMO) has a good line about RnB sounding as if they'd decided to forget their instruments. In the case of Bruce this was more or less the case. Graeme - any specific recommendations re Charlemagne Palestine? ta. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:49:53 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] The Helvitis Organ Symphony Damn, I got this far yesterday but I can't get to it due to some RealPlayer plug-in problem. I feel just the same as the other Robert: I want a chance to hear it all. Robert > The Helvitis Organ Symphony conducted by Bruce Gilbert can still belistened > on www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio3_aod.shtml?mixingit and choose Mixing It P. S. Listening to "In the Art of Stopping" lately from ATP I'm only now hearing the "Ballroom Blitz"-like riff in the song. This could be one reason for it having been my fave off R&B01. So much fun. *************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:09:41 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Scanners and things... Eric... >Arrrgh. We are moving and I just discovered that my wife pruned our video >collection, including my copy of Scanners. i'm not a big film fan...but i've gotta ask this (sorry if anyone takes offence)...is Scanners the one with the nurse with the fantastic tits (near the beginning of the film)...? if so, what's your favourite part of the film then Eric...? ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:21:58 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] ICA Magog Tix ////tickets were still available as of last thursday. p The gig is very close to selling out, so it'd be a very good idea to buy tickets in advance. The ICA will keep them for you to pick up on the door, which is convenient. Anyone got wind of who the support might be, or is it just going to be DJ things like the Garage? If the beers are so expensive there, it might just pay to have a few elsewhere before they gather round Mr Marx's Table to Read and Burn. WIRE GIG AT THE ICA 20th July - London Institute of Contemporary Arts address : The Mall, LONDON, SW1Y 5AH ticket line : 020.7930.3647 Booking office open daily 12 midday - 9.30 pm e.mail : tickets@ica.org.uk www.ica.org.uk NP Gilbert Directs the Fifteen Kitchen Organs of Helvitis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:22:40 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Interpol vs Enon >>>interpol-s/t ep (not british, but only 5 bucks! i think i built up very high expectations for this one and it's not doing it for me lyrically at all. i dig the music though) This was slagged last week by Rob Devlin on http://www.brainwashed.com/brain/brainv05i26.html but if anyone's curious about hearing it he made some sound samples. The lyrics quoted by Mr Devlin did seem crap... This week I've reviewed Enon & Unplugboy. http://www.brainwashed.com/brain/brainv05i27.html Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "Bought a window display And married her at once Broke the remote control And she hasn't talked for months" (Enon - Window Display) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:16:28 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Kitchen Motors Event Details descriptions culled from BBC website ::: Auxpan Auxpan is teenage noise-maker Elvar Mar Kjartansson, who specialises in generating abstract noise from a collection of home-made instruments, including cigarette boxes and biscuit tins fitted with dials and switches. Kira Kira This performance by Kira Kira, aka Kristmn Bjvrk Kristjansdsttir, was a musical accompaniment to the puppet, or 'bumpet' show of Sigga Bjvrg. The show is called Malfzr Skinnytoe and features a miniature theatre in the centre of stage. The narrator is film director Thorgeir Gudmundsson; Kristin Bjvrk is playing electronics as well as a table full of toys and sound effects. Hilmar Jensson and Skzli Sverrisson Hilmar Jensson studied guitar at Berklee College of Music in New York, and has played on many recordings by the likes of Tim Berne, Kevin Drumm, Jim Black and Arve Henriksen. Skzli Sverrisson also attended Berklee, and stayed in New York where he has become part of the Downtown Scene, and has toured with Laurie Anderson and Allan Holdsworth. The Helvitis Organ Symphony Conceived by British experimental stalwart and member of Wire Bruce Gilbert, the Helvitis Organ Symphony is the latestin a series of Kitchen Motors musical events taking one instrument and putting it in the hands of an orchestra of players. Previously, guitar and bass symphonies have been performed. The piece takes its cues from two video projections of Bruce Gilbert playing a keyboard and giving instructions, be it a continuous 'C' or a glissando produced by a paint roller. The line-up is Sighvatur Smar Kristinsson, Zlfur Eldjarn, Hvr?ur Bragason; Arnar Geir Smarsson, Sigga Bjvrg, Kristin Bjvrk, Sigtryggur Baldursson, Maggi Smith, Susan Stenger, David Coppenhall, Howard Jacques (vintage Vox/Farfisa/Yamaha electric organs); Andrew Jacques, Jshann Jshannsson, Hilmar Jensson, Auxpan (portable keyboards) Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:33:08 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Smart Beers A herd of buffalo can move only as fast as the slowest buffalo, and when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular attrition of the weakest members. In much the same way the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, we all know, kills brain cells, but naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:11:55 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Splitting Hares? Whilst the review Friday's Independent is nicely enthusiastic and written by someone who seems to know a bit about Wire, there are some odd comparisons. >>>The surly manner of early classics like "Mannequin" and "12XU" is back too, especially in "I Don't Understand", a declamatory sneer of frustration and baffled anger: "Face the facts, you're in a bad dream/ Your time is up/ The lights are out, there's no one home". I can see a parallel between 12XU & 1st Fast, but I Don't Understand is basically Ally in Exile revamped via Advantage in Height & a little Lowdown. But it's just a surly manner he was referring to... however 12XU is perhaps more silly than surly. I Don't Understand has more the atmosphere of a flabberghasted father telling off an errant son. >>>"Germ Ship", a short, dark miniature that finds Wire still searching for the magical minimalist clash of chords, like Sonic Youth stripped of pretension and longueurs. I can imagine Wire laughing at that comparison. Whilst there's a lot of similarity between SY & Wire in terms of influence and experimentation, they are very different bands sonically. Wire came first, and influenced Sonic Youth. Sonic Youth have never really had the machinic precision that Wire have usually strived for, except perhaps on some (beatbox) tracks from the Ciccone Youth album. Both bands have achieved such legend in their own lunchtime status that to compare either to anyone else seems silly. Come to think of it though, Germ Ship does sound a tiny bit like Mildred Pierce (which is Sonic Youth doing Sonic Youth stripped of pretension and longueurs, not that pretension & longueurs are problems for them). Well at least they didn't say it sounded like El*s*ica. That really would've killed the sales pitch! >>>from grandiose neo-psychedelic excess Could he mean IBTABA? >>>to brittle avant-garde experimentation Presumably only someone who hasn't actually heard In Esse would describe it as brittle...? Which do you think are the brittle experiments? >>>but this six-track mini-album finds the newly resurgent Wire almost back where they started, Ought to mention the precision factor at this point, but maybe he got edited? >>>with their most direct and focused performances since their Pink Flag debut. Bollocks! Practise Makes Perfect is way more focused than anything on Pink Flag Used To is as or more direct Hard to find more focused & direct tracks than 2 People in a Room or 2nd Length Etc, etc. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:19:54 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Hafler Trio, NWW, Low >>>Has anyone heard any news regarding Andrew MacKenzie's battle with Hepatitus? No, but it's quite likely that if there is any news it'll be reported at www.brainwashed.com/brain as brainwshed hosts the H3O website. This week release of the new Low album & Nurse With Wound Automating 2 were announced & preview Low sound samples are up at the Kranky site. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:34:38 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Bastard Pop Go and buy 'Never Mind The Bootlegs' . This is a 3 CD MP3 collection with 432 tracks plus 11 DJ mixes. 42 hours of music in total! Rough Trade are selling it, but be quick cos its not legal! Its basically got all those Bastard Pop mixes that have been littering the airwaves of late (Destinys Child meets 10cc, Strokes meet Christina, Nirvana vs Missy Elliot etc) but so much more. You also get a whole load of uncleared-sampling tracks from the likes of KLF, Chris Morris, Cassetteboy, DJ Shadow and several works of utter, utter genius from the brilliant OsyMyso and Freelance Hellraiser. You also get the full length 'Intro Inspection' by Freelance Hellraiser which is the best 15 minutes of music you will never legally hear! (Or is it a post-post-post-modern Jive Bunny/Stars on 45....You Decide!) And 40 odd hours of other stuff. Alas there are no Wire sampling tracks....at least I haven't found one yet. Maybe I should make one! For no particular reason you also get a Half Man Half Biscuit track recorded off the Peel show which goes "Who the f**king hell are Slipknot". Quite agree. http:\\www.boomselection.info ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:20:58 EDT From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs in London/Scotland steeleknight@lineone.net writes: <> Are they still around? I though Fat bOb packed it in after the last flopper... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:26:43 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Scanners and things...mum mus In a message dated 7/16/02 6:13:45 PM, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: >is Scanners the one with the nurse with the fantastic tits (near >the beginning of the film)...? if so, what's your favourite part of the >film >then Eric...? i haven't seen it in a while, but i remember the first scene in scanners being the lecture hall, where the first head explodes. could the nurse in question be from dead ringers? i only saw that once, a very long time ago. or maybe rabid, the marilyn chambers one? that centered around a hospital. - -paul c.d. p.s. i heard mum yesterday. one of the most beautiful things i've heard in a while. i will try to see them live. spelled almost the same, and almost equally beautiful, anyone listen to mus? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:37:42 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Helvitis Organ Symphony In a message dated 7/16/02 5:51:44 PM, Robert.Cambra@harpercollins.com writes: >I can't get to it due to some RealPlayer >plug-in problem ugh, is it a "real player required" deal? i wanna hear this, but there's no way my real player is up to date enough. my new mac can't come soon enough :o( maybe this month... - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:44:15 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs in London/Scotland In a message dated Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:20:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, MrSodium writes: > <> > > Are they still around? I though Fat bOb packed it in after > the last > flopper... /////at the time of their "split" i suggested the split would last for a couple of years max until fat bob needed some more cake money , and certain parties (i forget who) roundly took me to task for daring to criticise the great man's integrity. anyway , tickets are on sale for this summer's shows and the greatest hits album (with a couple of new tracks to fleece the punters) is on the shelves. what can you say? p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #236 *******************************