From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #233 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, July 14 2002 Volume 05 : Number 233 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs in London/Scotland ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] Re: Bruce's Symphony ["Michael Flaherty" ] [idealcopy] Cheers Ideal Copyists! [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Bruce's Symphony [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs in London/Scotland ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Naked Film Lunch Exterminator [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Naked Film Lunch Exterminator [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs in London/Scotland [giluz ] [idealcopy] Re: Naked Film Lunch Exterminator [giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs in London/Scotland Gigs in London end to dry up a bit in the summer. A quick look at the upcoming gigs in Time Out magazine (which tends only to list the larger venue gigs in advance) doesn't show too much of interest unless he wants to see The Cure / Mogwai (27 July - Hyde Park - from #33 bloody quid), The Sex Pistols (also 27 July at Crystal Palace in South London and also a fortune) or Lee 'scratch' Perry at the Jazz Cafe on 19-21 August (probably too late). If he likes our sort of stuff he's probably better looking at listings when he arrives for the Garage / Water Rats / Spitz / Dingwalls / Underworld if he wants a small standing venue. The Astoria and Shepherd's Bush Empire are larger (mostly) standing venues, but gigs here should already have been in Time Out. The Royal Festival Hall / Queen Elizabeth Hall often has interesting stuff but are primarily classical music venues. On arrival he should get Time Out (weekly, with an extensive gig listing). Most things on should be in there. If he books ticket through a ticket agency he should expect to pay a few quid booking fee. He should be able to get in the door at the smaller venues on most occasions. The Great British Beer Festival is on from 6 - 10 August if that's of any interest. another the Keith Late entry - The Liars are playing Dingwalls (Camden, North London) on 7 August. - ----- Original Message ----- From: giluz To: ideal copy Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:39 AM Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs in London/Scotland > A friend of mine is gonna visit London & Scotland for three weeks since the > end of July. Any interesting gigs I could refer him to? > > giluz > > -- > > INDYMEDIA ISRAEL > http://www.indymedia.org.il/ > Indymedia is a collective of > independent media ogranizations > and hundreds of journalists > offering grassroots, non-corporate > coverage of major protests. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:16:30 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Banks Burroughs Dick Nope - but it's on the shelf, jostling with about a thousand others. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Flaherty To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:59 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Banks Burroughs Dick > > So have all of you Philip K. Dick people read his biography by my > former-Professor Larry Sutin? > > It's so rare that I get to name drop. :) > > Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:37:45 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Feersum Endjinn on 10/07/02 21:01, Keith Knight at steeleknight@lineone.net wrote: > Rereading The Man in the High Castle last year I was > struck by how there isn't really a bad person in the book, despite the less > than savoury political situation. Few authors like their characters this > much That's one of Dick's strongest appeals. On the one hand his characters are pathetic small people with very materialistic aspirations and ridiculous dreams of grandeur, but they are described so empathically that you can't help identifying with them. Here I always compare Dick to Pinter, whose pathetic characters just remain pathetic, riding on the high waves of estrangement (that's not a qualitative judgement, I'm a great Pinter fan). With Dick, this combination of identification with pitiable characters is what creates his great sense of bitter irony giluz - -- IMC ISRAEL http://www.indymedia.org.il/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:34:12 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Bruce's Symphony >The show will be archived for a week on the BBC web site. >Why not just record >the stream? > >Mark I can't do this, nor can I offer to trade a CDR of anything, but if you or Paul are willing to make a cdr for me, I'd be glad to cover all costs (of course). :) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:54:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr Grumpy Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Bruce's Symphony If someone will send me the link, I will try to record the stream.. MG - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > >The show will be archived for a week on the BBC web > site. > >Why not just record > >the stream? > > > >Mark > > I can't do this, nor can I offer to trade a CDR of > anything, but if you or Paul are willing to make a > cdr for > me, I'd be glad to cover all costs (of course). :) > > Michael Flaherty ===== /\/\/\ { . . } /\ -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:59:55 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Cheers Ideal Copyists! A philosophy professor stood before his class and had some items in > front of him. When the class began, wordlessly he picked up a large empty > mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with rocks, rocks about 2" in > diameter. > He then asked the students if the jar was full? They agreed that it was. > > So the professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into > the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles, of course, rolled into > the > open areas between the rocks. He then asked the students again if the jar > was > full. They agreed it was. > > Then the professor picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. > Of course, the sand filled up everything else. > > "Now," said the professor, "I want you to recognize that this is your > life. "The rocks are the important things-your family, your spouse, your > health, your children-things that if everything else was lost and only > they > remained, your life would still be full. "The pebbles are the other > things > that matter, like your job, your house, your car. The sand is everything > else. The small stuff. If you put the sand into the jar first, there is > no room for the pebbles or the rocks. "The same goes for your life. If > you > spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will never have > room for the things that are important to you. "Pay attention to the > things > that are critical to your happiness. Play with your children. Take time > to > get medical checkups. Take your partner out dancing. There will always be > time to go to work, clean the house, give a dinner party and fix the > disposal. Take care of the rocks first-the things that really matter. Set > > your priorities. The rest is just sand." > > But then... a young male student stood up and asked the class if they > were sure that the jar was truly full. All the students and the professor > agreed that it was indeed full. When they had all agreed, he reached into > > his backpack and pulled out a can of beer. Popping it open, he poured the > > contents into the already "full" jar. Of course the beer filled the > remaining > spaces within the jar making the jar truly full. > > Which proves that no matter how full your life is, there is always room > for a beer. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:17:57 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Bruce's Symphony >>I can't do this, nor can I offer to trade a CDR of anything, but if you or Paul are willing to make a cdr for me, I'd be glad to cover all costs (of course). :)<< Well I'll be recording it both off Digital satellite broadcast and via the net, so we should have a decent take one way or another! I'm sure we can come to some arrangement ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:22:42 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs in London/Scotland > > *Where* in Scotland? It's really quite a big place, you know... :) > > He doesn't know himself. He's just going to hitchhike and see where it takes > him. > Cheers > giluz Give him a copy of Michel Faber's Under The Skin to while away those hours between lifts. Ian B np Faultline - Your Love Means Everything ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 19:34:56 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Sad Gill Slits Light Up Green Klangs - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:08 AM Subject: Re:[idealcopy] Nice Streets Ab Ovo > Bill has been unusually civil of late: > Uncivil late bill as usual > >Did anyone catch the Flaming Lips & Bob Mould tour? That was fun as well. > > I was there. Flaming Lips were real fine. Wayne Coyne should market the > chest-mounted strobe light as a fashion accessory. > Do you realise? Bleeding forehead spark Japanese teens w/ machine guns Honky Tonk Psych-boxing Wayne likes to sing Do you realise? Teletubby sunrise Jellygirl in bathtub w/eggs Confetti racing for good of humankind Nuclear meltdown But it's not dangerous > > >Quite surprising to see Mould looking chirpy and playing 'Makes No Sense at > >All.' I guess now he has no band no one complains when he obliterates > >everything w/guitar. > > I'm not a fan, although the other half of Kids Indestructible worships him. Get him to listen to Beaster a bit closer "I'm not your Jesus Christ" > Bob plays solo guitar with backing tapes and runs up and down the stage > which brought back unpleasant memories of Carter the Unstoppable Sex > Machine for me. If you missed out on hearung their version of Mannequin, count yourself lucky. > I left the rest of The Spiders from Mars to watch while I got drinks. > You've been hanging w/ ol'Bowie band? > >Anyone heard the new Bob Mould album? > >"Do you have an opinion?" > > My partner in Pop loves it cos its Bob Mould plus Electronics which is his > two favourite things. > However, he reckons a wonderful opportunity has been missed as surely > instead of 'Modulate' he should have called in 'Mould-ulate'!!!! Or perhaps more appropriately (considering the very early 90s rhythms on display): 'Mould You're Late.' This is not to say I didn't like this approach, as the new songs sounded as good as any he's done since Husker Du... > > > >turntable, tape, disc rotations this week: > > > >Flaming Lips (every album) > > I still never got round to copying Zaireeka for you like the pig I am. I > take it you found another source? > OK, more accurately every album I have, still don't have Zaireeka, but it has been reissued, however a Cd-R would still be welcome. > >Wire - Nice Streets (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) > > Would you care to share the joke with the rest of us? > > What joke? Nice Streets is a new Wire song which will be heard on R&B02 in September, alongside Ten Years After and probably Raft Ants... > >+ the thunder storm that just started outside > > This is because Suede have just come on stage at Old Trafford. Proof that > God has no time for microwaved frozen britpop..... > God has no time No time for frozen god microwaves Wave time no microgod proof Mr John Hiatt (former Three Johns singer, now an art professor) was piss taking about this D Bowie event quite a bit as he performed at Scu Bar in support of the mighty Kling Klang the next day. A friend of mine from Liverpool got stranded here as the coach was full of funny little pantopunk(?) Green Day fans. Actually I saw Green Day once early on & they were... alright. Kling Klang are great though. They arrange banks of synths in a line, resembling a cheap junk shop version of the Kraftwerk studio from which they lifted their name. They then play full on rock songs on (mostly) keyboards, with a living drummer who gives the kit a bit of a bashing. One friend thought it was more Metallica than Kraftwerk (!) but everyone at the gig seemed to leave mightily impressed - and it was totally packed. Maybe a good comparison would be Add N to X back if every song rocked like Little Black Rocks & Sir Ape. > Yeah I went to see Bowie. He was alright actually. > If that makes me sad then read on: > I'd be sad (in the traditional sense of the word) if I'd paid that much and wasted a day to witness something that was merely alright. > >Spotted yesterday in Manchester's Vinyl Exchange: > > > >A copy of Ab Ovo CD with description 'Bruce Gilbert ex Wire.' This error has > >now been corrected... > > You sad fucker! > OOPS! You forgot to asterisk! Someone who typed about a former girlfriends' resemblance to someone from New Order has no place gauging the tragicometer. It is not cause for weeping that Mr Gilbert takes part in the grand minimal experiment of punk'n'picturenoises they call WIRE. It is kind of sad that people who ought to know better (people working in record shops are paid to know this stuff & VX chirps in advertising about its knowledgeable staff) aren't aware that Wire is currently in existation... But perhaps this is a good good sign? Meaning no promo copies of R&B01 have been flogged! "For those who could not flee Belief in a promised release You hung your lights in the trees That's how many came to grief" (Wire - You Hung Your Lights in the Trees) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 19:22:21 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] 12XU Records Gigs & Fennesz in Norway The 12XU label (www.12xu.net) is run by Gerard Cosloy (Matador / Homestead / Dust Devils) but has nothing to do with Wire (beyond an obvious inspiration?). I'd recommend Chris Brokaw, Consonant and Mission of Burma as gigs not to be missed if you're in the area(s). Britt Daniel (Spoon) : 31.07.02 - 12 Bar Club, London Chris Brokaw : 07.08.02 - The Spitz, London* 08.08.02 - Britons Protection, Manchester* 09.08.02 - La Belle Angele, Edinburgh* 10.08.02 - Whelans, Dublin* 11.08.02 - Katy Dalys, Belfast* 13.08.02 - Magnet, Berlin 16.08.02 - Loppen, Copenhagen * - with James Orr Complex Silkworm : 12.07.02 - T.T. The Bear, Cambridge, MA (with consonant) 13.07.02 - Knitting Factory, New York City (with consonant) 24.07.02 - Experience Music Project, Seattle (with Mission Of Burma) 26.07.02 - The Filmore, San Francisco (with Mission Of Burma) 27.07.02 - El Rey Theatre, Los Angeles (with Mission Of Burma) Also, Fennesz is playing in Norway FENNESZ live date 26/07 Safe as Milk Festival, Haugesund (Norway) http://www.safe-as-milk.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 19:35:19 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Naked Film Lunch Exterminator - ----- Original Message ----- From: giluz To: Bill Hick ; ideal copy Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 2:08 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Blade Runner (Aliens Got Bored) > on 12/07/02 01:28, Bill Hick at umur_ot@hotmail.com wrote: > > > I enjoyed the Naked > > Lunch film, but it was a pathetic experience compared to the hilarious book, > > and the effects were rubbish too. > > Have to disagree with you here - NL is one of my most favourite ever films > and the best Cronenberg did. For me the best Cronenberg film is The Thing simply because the effects are totally gross & hilarious. It also has great bleak & desolate synthpulse theme music that compliments the hopelessness of the film perfectly. I've seen the Naked Lunch film once (and I seem to recall me & my then girlfriend, who bore a tragic resemblance to Kristin Hersh, were the only people in the cinema!) but I've reread the book many times. Conversely I've seen Blade Runner & excerpts of BR too many times to recall but only read Electric Sheep once. >I also like the fact that it took a different > approach to the book, and more than being an adaptation of it is a sort of a > fictional 'the making of the book Naked Lunch'. It actually also uses almost as much material from another Burroughs book 'Exterminator.' >It's one of the best drugs > films ever made. Even better than The Magic Roundabout? >As usual with Cronenberg, the casting is exceptional, with > Peter Weller, Judy Davis and Ian Holm at their best. And the effects were > great - some of the best Cronenberg hybrids created. Yes, they're cheap and > trashy - but this is cronenbergland. The effects for The Thing worked well when I saw it on a small portable black & white TV. Later in colour it seemed less effective. When I saw Naked Lunch in the cinema the effects just didn't cut it for me, but this is really a minor quibble as the film was certainly enjoyable enough to suspend disbelief on that score. It wasn't so much that I didn't like the film, just that it could never come close to the book, which is probably the funniest thing I've ever read. There was an aborted attempt to film Naked Lunch in cut up mode in the 60s. Wasn't Ian Holm playing a warped version / vision of Paul Bowles? He's another great writer, especially The Spider's House. >A film masterpiece. > Well if I was to attempt to list my favourite films I'd probably rate it. But compared to the book...? > giluz > > -- > > INDYMEDIA ISRAEL > http://www.indymedia.org.il/ NP Beef Terminal - The Grey Knowledge (Noise Museum) "In the corner they're shifting the ashes Loyal traitor seeks empty womb Oaken tailor seeks viable impasse Eternal youth seeks fatal bloom" (Wire - Sixth Sense) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 19:35:46 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Funniest joke I heard for a while American woman was complaining about the number of Vietnamese immigrants in her neighbourhood. "What would the Vietnamese people do if a load of Americans suddenly descended on them?" she asked. Rob Newman replies: They'd probably fight a guerilla war using a system of tunnels and the power of close-knit village communities, and in so doing pull off an unlikely military victory against the greatest superpower the world has ever seen, after which America would probably realise it can fight the same war economically, using the IMF as a tool to prise open Vietnamese markets to its corporations, thereby crippling Vietnam's social welfare system, creating mass unemployment and consigning thousands to such poverty that Vietnamese doctors will emigrate to the US in order to earn $3 an hour working in Dunkin' Donuts until such a time as they can afford to buy homes next to trailer trash like you. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "They take away our freedom In the name of liberty" (Stiff Little Fingers - Suspect Device) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:33:59 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Naked Film Lunch Exterminator >> on 12/07/02 01:28, Bill Hick at umur_ot@hotmail.com wrote: >> >> > I enjoyed the Naked >> > Lunch film, but it was a pathetic experience compared to the hilarious >book, >> > and the effects were rubbish too. >> >> Have to disagree with you here - NL is one of my most favourite ever films >> and the best Cronenberg did. > >For me the best Cronenberg film is The Thing simply because the effects are >totally gross & hilarious. It also has great bleak & desolate synthpulse >theme music that compliments the hopelessness of the film perfectly. is "the thing" a uk alternate title for some cronenberg film? i'm pretty sure the '80s remake of the early '50s movie of that title was done by john carpenter. dan, intrigued by how cronenberg might bring 3 stigmata to the screen ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:20:29 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Naked Film Lunch Exterminator > For me the best Cronenberg film is The Thing simply because the effects are > totally gross & hilarious. It also has great bleak & desolate synthpulse > theme music that compliments the hopelessness of the film perfectly. > Okay - I may be totally out of the loop here, but I've never heard of a Cronenberg film called "The Thing". Even IMDB doesn't list one: http://us.imdb.com/Name?Cronenberg,+David Is this a UK title? Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:34:36 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sad Gill Slits Light Up Green Klangs > >>Someone who typed about a former girlfriends' resemblance to someone from > New Order has no place gauging the tragicometer.<< > Depends which member of New Order!! A girlfriend who resembled Hooky would indeed be tragic... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:37:15 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Naked Film Lunch Exterminator >>is "the thing" a uk alternate title for some cronenberg film? i'm pretty sure the '80s remake of the early '50s movie of that title was done by john carpenter.<< Correct. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:44:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kitchen motors - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/12/02 3:33:11 PM Central > Daylight Time, > MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > > << The programme is only an hour long - so it'll fit > on a CD! > > Mark > >> > > > Sounds good.....everyone who is interested try to > keep in touch and for those > of you who want to send copies to those of us who > can't partake, we can > either send you money for shipping or better yet > make you a cd-r of something > you want... > > Robert me too!and will anybody be taping/recording Wire this time 'round(on 't radio)Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 17:44:46 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Naked Film Lunch Exterminator In a message dated 7/13/02 3:13:40 PM, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: >For me the best Cronenberg film is The Thing simply because the effects >are > >totally gross & hilarious. It also has great bleak & desolate synthpulse > >theme music that compliments the hopelessness of the film perfectly. is there a cronenberg film i missed, or are you thinking of john carpenter's best film (although i do have a certain fondness for assault on precinct 13 and halloween) called the thing? gross and hilarious effects by rob bottin & co., bleak synthpulse soundtrack by carpenter. cronenberg films seem to each have their own appeal, and i haven't seen them all, but if i had to pick a fave (at the moment) it may be scanners. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 17:50:00 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Naked Film Lunch Exterminator In a message dated 7/13/02 4:45:38 PM Central Daylight Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > cronenberg films seem to each have their own appeal, and i haven't seen them > > all, but if i had to pick a fave (at the moment) it may be scanners. > > -paul c.d. > "ripe...ripe indeed....THE RIPE PROGRAM MUST BE STOPPED!!!" hahahahahahahahha...i just watched scanners the other day... "Cameron....Cameron...." RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 02:52:40 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs in London/Scotland on 13/07/02 19:22, Ian B at ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk wrote: >>> *Where* in Scotland? It's really quite a big place, you know... :) >>> > He doesn't know himself. He's just going to hitchhike and see where it > takes >> him. >> > Cheers >> giluz > > Give him a copy of Michel Faber's Under The Skin to while away those hours > between lifts. > Ian B Yeah, I'm keeping that for the last time I see him before he goes. Still, he's a small skinny kid, so he's not a potential victim anyway. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 03:14:50 +0200 From: giluz Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Naked Film Lunch Exterminator on 13/07/02 20:35, Bill Hick at umur_ot@hotmail.com wrote: > I've seen the Naked Lunch film once The first time I saw it I didn't understand a bloody thing. I think the one common thing for Cronenberg movies is that they get better with each viewing. Has anyone seen his new one? I thought Existenz, his last one, was really brilliant. > > Conversely I've seen Blade Runner & excerpts of BR too many times to recall > but only read Electric Sheep once. Can't deny the genius in the way BR looks, and the film does have the right atmosphere. It's just a far cry from the book. > certainly enjoyable enough to suspend disbelief on that score. It wasn't so > much that I didn't like the film, just that it could never come close to the > book, which is probably the funniest thing I've ever read. There was an > aborted attempt to film Naked Lunch in cut up mode in the 60s. I think Cronenberg was the first one to admit that the film is quite limited compared to the book. And he did insist of making it a narrative film, so had to virtually change the whole concept and make into a film (mainly) about writer's block. So as an adaptation it probably sucks, but it's still a great film. I think Burroughs was quite satisfied with the results - wasn't he? > Wasn't Ian Holm playing a warped version / vision of Paul Bowles? He's > another great writer, especially The Spider's House. Yes, that was him. - -- IMC ISRAEL http://www.indymedia.org.il/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:28:34 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] C'mon baby light my love removal machine The Doors Replace Jim Morrison With Ian Astbury Friday July 05, 2002 @ 05:30 PM By: ChartAttack.com Staff The Doors, who have been desperate to do a reunion tour since they saw old buddies like The Who and the dudes from Led Zeppelin raking in the cash, have finally managed to piece together a new band. Yes, it'll be difficult to pull it off, seeing as the band's singer and only recognizable member, Jim Morrison, died over 30 years ago, but surviving Doors members Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger believe that they have found a singer who can fill Morrison's snake-skin pants. His name is Ian Astbury. You may know him as the freaky psychedelic outlaw who acts as lead singer for The Cult. Somewhere, The Tea Party's Jeff Martin is crying. The choice to use Astbury is an obvious one - not only did he pull off a convincing, if not hilarious, version of "Touch Me" on the recent Doors tribute album, Stoned Immaculate, but he looks good in leather, already has a big hat with a skull pendant on it and can howl lines like "Wolf child! Smokin'! Baby, yeahhh! Yow! Oww! Fire dog!" while keeping a straight face. Here's the deal: According to The Doors' website, the band have scheduled just one show thus far, for September 6 at the California Motor Speedway near Los Angeles. Per usual, Ray Manzarek will play keys, Robby Krieger will play guitar and with any luck, original drummer John Densmore will be involved as well, although doctors may forbid him to play, due to an undisclosed medical condition. Manzarek and Krieger have already recruited a "world class drummer" (please let it be Phil Collins!) to stand in if Densmore can not perform his duties. And what about the bass? Well, my friend, The Doors have no bass. Anyway, Astbury will be in charge of most of the singing, but The Doors have also invited a few guest vocalists to step in in case Astbury needs an absinthe break or something. The band haven't disclosed any potential set lists, but we're praying that Astbury will have the balls to take on particularly difficult Morrison classics like "The End" and "L.A. Woman." Since Morrison's death in 1971, The Doors have only played twice - at their induction into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame in 1993 and last year on a VH1 Storytellers special. Astbury helped sing on the Storytellers show, as did Creed's Scott Stapp, Train's Pat Monahan, Perry Farrell and Stone Temple Pilots' Scott Weiland. Their last proper concert was September 2, 1972 (Manzarek took over lead vocals after Morrison's death). And yes, the L.A. show will not be the end. The Doors are planning a tour of the U.S. and Europe for next year. They're also working on a new album, which ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:33:27 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Naked Film Lunch Exterminator In a message dated 7/13/02 8:18:57 PM, giluzzz@fastmail.fm writes: >common thing for Cronenberg movies is that they get better with each >viewing. Has anyone seen his new one? I thought Existenz, his last one, >was >really brilliant. haven't seen the last one, and i believe there's another due out this year? i like crash and existenz more each time i see them. my only complaint with existenz is that the ending wrapped up too quickly, but that's okay, i have that complaint about many many movies. my wife and i affectionately refer to it as a "star trek ending" when a movie wraps everything up in the last couple of minutes. - -paul c.d. n.p. talk talk-it's my life ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:16:34 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Sad Gill Slits Light Up Green Klangs > And no Mark Bursa she didn't look like Hooky! > She looked like Gillian Gilbert for the record. Nowt wrong with that > > Indeed. > > Though a bearded woman with tattoos threatening to rip yer fookin' head off > might make for entertaining adventures. There are usually a few hanging > round down Oldham Street. > > Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:36:30 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] and i'm spent (a.k.a. recent listenings) well, i finally spent my wad of cash (actually it was a virgin card) at my local virgin megastore. they have what appears to be a pretty extensive electronica section, but since i know so little about most of what's on those racks, i got overwhelmed by it all and had to put off purchasing something from there. i almost went for the boards of canada, but both copies of music has the right... had smashed jewel cases and geogaddi (sp?) was like 20 bucks. i'll wait and find it elsewhere. so this is what i ended up with (everything british was on sale too): belle & sebastian-tigermilk talk talk-it's my life (i am totally rediscovering these guys. lots of hidden gems!) interpol-s/t ep (not british, but only 5 bucks! i think i built up very high expectations for this one and it's not doing it for me lyrically at all. i dig the music though) insides-euphoria (ahead of their time me thinks. 4ad really shoulda been pushing this 8 or 9 years ago. vocals are way down in the mix so it doesn't have a cocteau twins feel at all, but this is great late night after after hours music) - -paul c.d. p.s. has anyone heard the flin flon cd? any thoughts? ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #233 *******************************