From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #232 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, July 13 2002 Volume 05 : Number 232 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] kitchen motors [kevin eden ] Re: [idealcopy] Bolin or Cruce? ["Uri Baran" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs in London/Scotland [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] kitchen motors [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] kitchen motors [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] Re: OT - balls on the line man... ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Futurist Friends of Shellac ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT - balls on the line man... ["ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] kitchen motors Kitchen Bruce (including Bruce's Organ symphony) will be broadcast on Mixing it this Sunday 14th July. First of two parts, the nrest next Sunday. Bruce has just completed the soundtarck for the new Iain Sinclair/Chris Petit film, soon to be premiered. No doubt Channel 4 will air it at some god-forsaken unannounced hour in the new future. WMO is offline for 10 days from 3.30 today. Hopefully see some of you at ICA. ===== kevin eden e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wireviews.com "dreams that money can buy" Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:18:54 -0700 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bolin or Cruce? I attended but am not a good reviewer of this event as my most enjoyable moment was when the only performer in Auxpan (who consists of one person and several homemade boxes of electronica making crackles, pops and general noise) managed to fall backwards rather heavily off the stage effectively concluding the performance. The audience clapped appreciatively and he seemed to recover enough to play one of the organs later. Regarding the organ performance, ask a fan - try Alistair, I spotted him in the audience. Uri - -----Original Message----- From: Bill Hick To: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:43 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Bolin or Cruce? >A Question: > >Did anyone observe That Godfather Gilbert's Icelandic Motor Organ Kitchen >Experiment at the weekend? > >It was recorded by Mixing It and I'm assuming that at least a portion might be >broadcast on R3 this Sunday. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:05:08 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Gigs in London/Scotland on 12/07/02 09:30, Andrew Walkingshaw at andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk wrote: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 01:39:58AM +0200, giluz wrote: >> A friend of mine is gonna visit London & Scotland for three weeks since the >> end of July. Any interesting gigs I could refer him to? > > *Where* in Scotland? It's really quite a big place, you know... :) > He doesn't know himself. He's just going to hitchhike and see where it takes him. Cheers giluz - -- INDYMEDIA ISRAEL http://www.indymedia.org.il/ Indymedia is a collective of independent media ogranizations and hundreds of journalists offering grassroots, non-corporate coverage of major protests. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:24:53 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kitchen motors In a message dated Fri, 12 Jul 2002 3:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, wmouk@yahoo.com writes: > Kitchen Bruce (including Bruce's Organ symphony) will > be broadcast on Mixing it this Sunday 14th July. First > of two parts, the nrest next Sunday (probably a question for alastair rather than kevin) so how long is bruce's organ symphony? i can burn a cd straight from the tuner but i hope the item in question isn't too big. please advise. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:49:33 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] kitchen motors Hi mate, how's it going? You will have no problem getting the organ piece onto cd as it's about, and I'm guessing here, 15 mins. tops Quite a few in the audience seemed to be expecting more but imho it's a perfectly complete piece of work Pity on the radio you won't see how to play keyboards with a mini paint-roller ;-] You up for the 20th? later A In a message dated Fri, 12 Jul 2002 3:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, wmouk@yahoo.com writes: > Kitchen Bruce (including Bruce's Organ symphony) will > be broadcast on Mixing it this Sunday 14th July. First > of two parts, the nrest next Sunday (probably a question for alastair rather than kevin) so how long is bruce's organ symphony? i can burn a cd straight from the tuner but i hope the item in question isn't too big. please advise. p ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:01:40 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] kitchen motors I took kevin to mean that the whole event will be broadcast in 2 parts... You couldn't really split the organ piece in 2 as it's a sort of 'seamless build' Couldn't you persuade the brother to hold his stag night in the ica bar? Leffe blond #4.60 a pint ( sound of mr van damme falling off his seat ;-]) later A - - if its 15 mins they hardly need to play it in 2 pieces do they ? still, nice to hear some BCG on R3............ officially i am attending my brothers stag night on the 20th. sadly my enthusiasm for that has wilted so i'm going to pull a sicky and i'll see ya there. i like the ICA , should be a cracker. p ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:10:38 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kitchen motors > Kitchen Bruce (including Bruce's Organ symphony) will > be broadcast on Mixing it this Sunday 14th July. First > of two parts, the nrest next Sunday. > > Bruce has just completed the soundtarck for the new > Iain Sinclair/Chris Petit film, soon to be premiered. > No doubt Channel 4 will air it at some god-forsaken > unannounced hour in the new future. > > now that there is a notice ahead of time...PLEASE, can any of you tape or cd-burn all of these in their entirety and share with your poor fellow Ideal Copyists who live elsewhere (USA for me) and won't be privy to the fine sounds of Mr. Gilbert....PLEASE! Thank you for listening to me beg! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:14:00 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kitchen motors In a message dated 7/12/02 5:25:32 AM Central Daylight Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > (probably a question for alastair rather than kevin) so how long is bruce's > organ symphony? i can burn a cd straight from the tuner but i hope the item > in question isn't too big. please advise. p > (panting with tongue wagging) YES! YES! YES! YES! burn burn burn Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:49:40 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kitchen motors aren't the Kitchen Motors events usually documented on cd? wasn't the orchestral thing that Barry Adamson a Kitchen Motors event/cd with the Hafler Trio remixing one of the tracks....i'll have to check when i get home....as i recall, it may have been Graeme who gave a great review of it....that would be great to see/hear a brand new Bruce cd..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:57:02 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] speaking of the Hafler Trio Has anyone heard amy news regarding Andrew MacKenzie's battle with Hepatitus? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:49:34 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: a pint, was RE: [idealcopy] kitchen motors In a message dated 7/12/02 7:04:09 AM, alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk writes: >Leffe blond #4.60 a pint > >( sound of mr van damme falling off his seat ;-]) > is that almost 7 (u.s.) dollars? a rather upscale establishment near me only charges $4.50 for a pint of either blond or brown...and it has to be shipped across the atlantic first. what kind of place is ica? - -paul c.d. n.p.: sugarcubes-life's too good (had to dust this one off. most of it has held up very well after all this time...14 years?) smiths-meat is murder (i don't find this album any more spotty than queen is dead. all but a couple of tracks are really great, and yeah, well i wonder is a lost gem. barbarism begins at home contains the best example of morrissey not knowing when to close his mouth too. anyone know if he is singing the ending part over and over or if they sampled his part and looped it?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:23:05 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Quotes for/on life... here's my favourite from recent years... 'I only came to leave...' ian.s.j. >I fashion you, >and then for weal or woe, >By business through, >I care not how ye go, >Or struggle, win or lose, nor do >I want to know. > >One doesn't have to depend on hallucinations, one can unhinge oneself by >many other roads." > >"Nothing is true, > Everything is permitted." > >"We're all here to go into space" > >"We should kill time, shut it down!" _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:32:51 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kitchen motors The programme is only an hour long - so it'll fit on a CD! Mark > (probably a question for alastair rather than kevin) so how long is bruce's > organ symphony? i can burn a cd straight from the tuner but i hope the item > in question isn't too big. please advise. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:36:36 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kitchen motors In a message dated 7/12/02 3:33:11 PM Central Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: << The programme is only an hour long - so it'll fit on a CD! Mark >> Sounds good.....everyone who is interested try to keep in touch and for those of you who want to send copies to those of us who can't partake, we can either send you money for shipping or better yet make you a cd-r of something you want... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:08:24 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Slaughterhouse 5 How could I forget Vonnegut? Probably read about 90% of his books. He's run out of steam in his later years, but one later book 'Bluebeard' is brilliant. Hard to find a book that makes it obvious so simply that time is an illusion and makes it easy to move beyond spatial dimensions without the mathematics as he did so effortlessly in 'Slaughterhouse 5', a work of genius if ever there was one. He's also a very funny writer. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "I'm buying time but I've got no place to put it I draw the line but that shouldn't slow me down, now should it?" (Steve Wynn - Death Valley Rain) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:11:16 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT - balls on the line man... Dice Man is a hilarious & thought provoking book. Have you ever played the Dice Man gambling reality construction game? Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine - ----- Original Message ----- From: ian.s. jackson To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:50 PM Subject: OT - balls on the line man... > >These are books which should be read by anyone who is interested in ideas about 'where we are going.' > > agreed on Feersum Endjinn, Wasp Factory and The Player Of Games... > > ...how about 'The Dice Man'...? essential, in my view... > > ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:19:34 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Sheer Hellish Miasma Sheer Hellish Miasma is an awesome drone noise onslaught, perhaps guitar source mutated via laptop. It's very similar to the apocalytic mindfuck noise that Kevin Drumm played as support to Tortoise last year. Blew them away, aside from the opening guitar duels of Seneca. Long ago Drumm played guitar in a rock band (Bull) with the former bassist of Big Black. Definitely one for the In Esse fans to check, and at last a disc which has knocked Read & Burn off everyday rotation... DACM is Peter Rehberg (aka Pita) doing laptop techno glitch tricks as soundtrack for nude dance troupe. Less abrasive than much of his ouevre and at times melodic & rhythmic in a way that might appeal to Fennesz likers? These are two of the strongest ever releases from the Mego label. www.mego.at Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nice Streets Ab Ovo > In a message dated 7/10/02 12:38:09 PM Central Daylight Time, > umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > > << Kevin Drumm - Sheer Hellish Miasma (!!!) > > DACM - showroomdummies (!!) >> > > these two are both Mego releases right? how are they? are they both full > lengths? > > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:31:25 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Futurist Friends of Shellac Time for the shite bands of the 80s list to turn to 90s nostalgia at last! >Shellac - The Futurist (!!!) >>>How is this? I've long heard about it, but I've never heard it. The Futurist is an instrumental album recorded by the Chicago based rock band Shellac for Montreal dancers La La La Human Steps to move their bodies to. It opens with a low drone under some babbling voice radiocapture, before Trainer punktuates a cymbal line with shrapnel snare cracks and Albini unleashes some of very noisy angular noiseburst guitar shards. Bass clumps in after a while and eventually they launch into a sharp Shellac groove. It cuts dead and an oscillator drone slowly rises in intensity and then the drums fire up hard in odd timing as Albini scrapes the most caustic noises he's ever got from his guitar. Then they seem to play a variation on the BBC snooker theme, but this is more apparent if the record is spun too fast at 45rpm, and probably coincidental (but funny considering their billiards obsession). On side 2 they play it less experimental - imagine if Copper & Didn't We Deserve a Look at You the Way You Really Are had got all mixed up together, but not really as incisive as either of those tracks. Shellac planned to release this prior to the Terraform album, but after listening to the test pressings, decided it wasn't really good enough to be sold to fans, so they gave all the copies to their closest friends. Lucky for me, one of these friends is also one of my friends. The irony is that she's only ever played the record so that I could record it! It is certainly worth hearing if you have all the easily available Shellac albums & singles and enjoy them. The Rough Trade shop in London sold a copy for #120, and it probably isn't worth paying that much to hear it unless you're loaded. It was easily downloadable from Audiogalaxy until fat corporate bastards shut them down. Surprising that no one seems to have bootlegged it. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP Kling Klang - Cheap Promo CD-R Rob Newman on the Commonwealth Games: "We go over there and plunder these foreign lands and then on the way out we turn around and say, Fancy a Game of Badminton?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:18:34 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Can Father Yells ha ha ha ha > >>Of course you should also try to hear everything by Faust, the first > couple of > Neu albums & everything by Kraftwerk up to at least Man Machine. > > Popol Vuh, Cluster & Amon Duul also made some good recordings but these are > only records I've heard in passing...<< > > The 3 Neu! albums are all absolutely essential. > > I'd also recommend the projects which immediately followed the split of > Neu! - La Dusseldorf (1st 2 albums) and Harmonia (1st 2) > > Klaus Dinger's La Dusseldorf is very much like a heavier, less subtle Neu! > whereas Harmonia is a collaboration between Michael Rother and Cluster and > is closer to Cluster than to Neu! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 00:33:56 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Can Father Yells ha ha ha ha on 12/07/02 23:18, MarkBursa@aol.com at MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >>>> Of course you should also try to hear everything by Faust, the first I would like to second that - EVERYTHING BY FAUST. Those who don't know them are missing one of the most experimental, innovative, revolutionary bands ever. Though I agree every music lover should aspire to owning everything they did, I would recommend starting with Faust IV of 1975, which is perhaps their most musically diverse on the one hand but not too extreme, considering, on the other. It also contains Krautrock which is one of their greatest tracks. Faust reformed in the mid 90's for another (still ongoing) series of great experimental albums. EVEYTHING applies to those as well, naturally. giluz - -- INDYMEDIA ISRAEL http://www.indymedia.org.il/ Indymedia is a collective of independent media ogranizations and hundreds of journalists offering grassroots, non-corporate coverage of major protests. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:37:53 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT - balls on the line man... Bill (isn't dead)... >Dice Man is a hilarious & thought provoking book. true...if anyone here hasn't had the pleasure yet, you should...but make sure your head's in good shape beforehand... >Have you ever played the Dice Man gambling reality construction game? no, not as such. but i was drawn into using the dice for the odd (bad) decision here and there...an influential period... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:44:55 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kitchen motors Robert, The show will be archived for a week on the BBC web site. Why not just record the stream? Mark > now that there is a notice ahead of time...PLEASE, can any of you tape or > cd-burn all of these in their entirety and share with your poor fellow > Ideal > Copyists who live elsewhere (USA for me) and won't be privy to the fine > sounds of Mr. Gilbert....PLEASE! Thank you for listening to me beg! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:51:10 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Slaughterhouse 5 In a message dated 7/12/02 4:11:15 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > Hard to find a book that makes it obvious so simply that time is an illusion > and makes it easy to move beyond spatial dimensions without the mathematics > as > he did so effortlessly in 'Slaughterhouse 5', a work of genius if ever > there > was one. > what did you think of the film? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:53:45 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Slaughterhouse 5 Billy Beef(s)... >How could I forget Vonnegut? i know, how could you...? >Probably read about 90% of his books. about the same here... >He's run out of steam in his later years, but one later book 'Bluebeard' is >brilliant. agreed... >Hard to find a book that makes it obvious so simply that time is an >illusion and makes it easy to move beyond spatial dimensions without the >mathematics as he did so effortlessly in 'Slaughterhouse 5', a work of >genius if ever there was one. again, agreed... though my fave is still 'Breakfast Of Champions' after many reads... >He's also a very funny writer. this always helps with any writer as far as i'm concerned. the John Irving stuff i've read has the same kind of humour... must be a Cape Cod thing... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:14:17 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Underwater versions In a message dated 7/11/02 6:43:58 PM Central Daylight Time, umur_ot@hotmail.com writes: > The version of Underwater Experiences to which I refered probably shouldn't > be > considered finished, as Wire ditched it as they felt it wasn't working and > they couldn't recapture the atmosphere of the demo. This is also one reason > why many songs weren't presented as part of the Brochure Exhibit - the > atmosphere was impossible to recapture. I'm also not sure how much > production > Mike Thorne did on the Chairs Missing out-take version of UW. I only heard > it > once. It was the worst version of the five. > > which brings me to a question...you say there are five versions?..which cds/lps are these to be found? thanks, Robert ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #232 *******************************