From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #230 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, July 11 2002 Volume 05 : Number 230 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re:Louise Wener [Howard Spencer ] RE: [idealcopy] Gorl & Annie [Woerner Frank ] [idealcopy] [OT] Pixies ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] [idealcopy] Nice Streets Ab Ovo ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Banks Burroughs Dick ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Can Tortoise Get Very High? ["Bill Hick" fall content alert//more BURMA ["DAVID HEALE" <] [idealcopy] OT - balls on the line man... ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT - Black/Its Immaterial ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Black/Its Immaterial [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT - Black/Its Immaterial [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT - Black/Its Immaterial [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] [idealcopy] [OT] Shellac - The Futurist (was: Nice Streets Ab Ovo) [Paul ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:25:46 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re:Louise Wener Just had a quick look at her Guardian piece. This gem also comes up on the site search engine. "Cystitis is a living death, it really is. Nobody ever talks about it, but if I was faced with a choice between having my arms removed and getting cystitis, I'd wave goodbye to my arms quite happily." Louise Wener [of Sleeper] in Q Magazine Which just about says it all really. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:40:58 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Gorl & Annie > -----Original Message----- > From: RLynn9@aol.com [mailto:RLynn9@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:30 AM > To: Robert.Cambra@harpercollins.com; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Gorl & Annie > > ...snipped ... > "Kaleidoscope"...good > night so far!...let's see what else i can explore...what has > been in heavy > rotation in fellow Ideal Copyists homes/cars ? the new Morcheeba cd - very good with a very funny song about weight gain ... highly recommended the new Muse cd - very bad ... I wonder what the target audience is for such crap? the new RHCP cd - same procedure as every year ... regards, FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:53:31 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Pixies Hi everyone, Well, I got the "new" Pixies CD. This CD is actually the 7 missing songs from the Purple tape that weren't used on "Come On Pilgrim". I'd give you a review, but unforunately, I have no idea what it sounds like. (^_^) The first thing I did when I got home was to take my copy of "Come On Pilgrim" and this new CD, and stitch together my own copy of the Purple tape. If you'd like to try this at home, here's the tracklisting: 1. Levitate Me 2. The Holiday Song 3. I've been Tired 4. Break My Body 5. Down to the well 6. Rock a my soul 7. I'm amazed 8. Build High 9. In heaven (The lady in the radiator song) 10. Caribou 11. Here Comes Your Man 12. Subbacultcha 13. Vamos 14. Broken Face 15. Nimrod's son 16. Isla de Encanta 17. Ed is dead. (Don't forget to normalize the two CDs if you try this at home...) I've been listening to this non-stop. Not quite the "64 funny cars in a garage" feel of Surfer Rosa, but excellent in its own way. There's an article with Gary Smith here that explains a lot about the Purple tape: http://sydonia.hypermart.net/pixiesweb/fortapache.htm excerpts: - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- We did three days in a row, working twenty-four hours a day to save money. We recorded seventeen songs (eighteen if one counts the secret one I have stashed away!). While it is true that much of the material was recorded live, most of the lead and acoustic guitars were overdubs, as were all the percussion, vocals and backing vocals. The vocals were recorded in the empty warehouse space outside our studio, and were most often done on three tracks: one close mike and a stereo pair in the corners of the space. I had a thing against digital reverbs back then, so most of the ambience you hear on Come on Pilgrim is the actual ambience of that big room. We took a week off before doing a three-day session of mixing. We were renting a TASCAM MS-16 sixteen-track machine by the day for these sessions, so it made sense to get the most out of it. All told, about a thousand dollars were spent on the project, including printing costs, cassettes and beer. In those six days we recorded and mixed eighteen songs, all of them characteristically short. Sequenced and tightened up, it was mind-blowing. Almost everyone who got a copy seemed to agree. I made a cassette insert and had several hundred printed up, but unlike the widely circulated Throwing Muses demos two years earlier, The Pixies sessions were sent only to a few people in the industry, Ivo at 4AD among them. I wasnt surprised in the least that these recordings were released. In fact, proud though I was that Come on Pilgrim came out on 4AD, I couldnt help but be disappointed that most of those recordings went off into oblivion. Someday, somewhere, somebody will bootleg the whole thing and put it out with my blessing if not The Pixies (or 4ADs, whom I assume own the tapes). Ivo has a great ear for music, and I admire his ability to get the music to the people. And 4AD is probably the coolest record company in the world, but I sure do wish theyd release the whole thing, just as we made it. - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Well, thanks to CD burner technology, you can finally hear the whole thing - - just as they made it. And, it's good. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:08:14 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Nice Streets Ab Ovo Spotted yesterday in Manchester's Vinyl Exchange: A copy of Ab Ovo CD with description 'Bruce Gilbert ex Wire.' This error has now been corrected... Later witnessed Steve Wynn & Friends - he played every request so we got to hear 'When You Smile' from 'The Days of Wine & Roses' album! Also played 'Meritville' and 2 songs from the recent 'Here Come the Miracles' album which is as good as anything he's done. Had a short chat with him after the gig and he seemed like a good fella, and he plans coming back to the UK next Spring. Legged it across town where Tsuri Giri were already onstage igniting dual guitar pyrotechnics. The two guitarists from this band were down the front for the Wire gig at ATP w/e 1. Did anyone catch the Flaming Lips & Bob Mould tour? That was fun as well. Quite surprising to see Mould looking chirpy and playing 'Makes No Sense at All.' I guess now he has no band no one complains when he obliterates everything w/guitar. Anyone heard the new Bob Mould album? "Do you have an opinion?" turntable, tape, disc rotations this week: Kevin Drumm - Sheer Hellish Miasma (!!!) Aihiyo - Satisfaction / As Tears Go By (!!!!!!!!!) DACM - showroomdummies (!!) Shellac - The Futurist (!!!) Junkboy - Robot & Proud 12" Acceleradeck David Grubbs - Rickets & Scurvy Enon - High Society Kling Klang - Nexus & Vander 7" Giddy Motors - Make It Pop Asa-Chang & Junray Bruce Gilbert - Music for Fruit Dummy Run - Medical Milestones 7" Melt Banana / The Locust 7" Casus Belli (what a stunning rediscovery! GET BACK TO WORK!!!) Flaming Lips (every album) Steve Wynn - Here Come the Miracles John Butcher & Phil Minton - Apples of Gomorrah Future Rock'n'Roll Sonic Mook Exp compilation KREV X compilation SSSD Efzeg Calla's first album Oxes live at Maida Vale Blonde Redhead's first album Weird War Club Off Chaos - Par et Impar Main - Tau Unplugboy & Toshimaru Nakamura Foetus - Flow Liars Peel session GBV - Everywhere w/Helicopters / I spam a Tree Quint - Little Johnny Jewel Breaking Circus - Warhead 7" Crent - Extended Vocabulary 7" Pixies - The (in)complete b-sides Trumans Water - Fragments of a Lucky Break Coil - A Little Bit of Lunacy for Everybody Desormais - Climate Variations Can - Delay Holger Czukay - La Luna Colin Newman - CN1 Wire - Exploded Views Wire - Manscape Wir - Vien Wire - Read & Burn 01 Wire - Nice Streets (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) + the thunder storm that just started outside Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:12:12 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Banks Burroughs Dick Feersum Endjinn is simply one of the greatest novels of the 20th century, up there with Banks' classic opening trio Walking On Glass, The Bridge, Wasp Factory... up off the tracks off the tracks w/ Burroughs' Naked Lunch, Nova Express, Cities of the Red Night & The Western Lands... up in dimensional (dis)proportion with Philip K Dick's paranoid philosophical spiritual trilogy Valis, Divine Invasion & The Transmigration of Timothy Archer... up near the madvicar rat sewer crocodile hunt for Vheissu in the sferic ether of Thomas Pynchon's multilayered mindfuck 'V'... up there dicing with the cancerous inventions of Umberto Eco's tour-de-mystic-reality-de(con)struction Foucoult's Pendulum. These are books which should be read by anyone who is interested in ideas about 'where we are going.' When I saw Banks read from The Business, he briefly discussed why he used the 'M' initial to denote sci-fi. Sci-fi is looked down upon by the literary establishment and his publishers wanted to keep the sci-fi and supposed non-sci-fi seperate, despite the fact that Walking On Glass & The Bridge are full of sci-fi images. Set in the (imaginary?) near future after a war has flung Scotland back to militaristic barbarism, Song of Stone is also in a sense sci-fi. I have no doubt that some of the most profound philosophy of C20 appeared in sci-fi books, especially those written by Burroughs & Dick. Whilst Banks is in many ways more of a mere entertainer, and often subscribes to age old literary traditions and etiquettes which Dick would have probably found impossible and Burroughs was intent on trashing FOREVER, his best work does connect on multiple levels (especially in Feersum Endjinn & Walking On Glass). He also takes the piss out of this rather well in WOG, with a character desperately searching through piles of sci-fi books for the key to GET OUT of the human prison he's been conned into... Germ Ship Aliens on Board Fatal Attraction Sponsored by Ford Easily my favourite and most reread Dick book is a posthumous compilation of his musings 'The Shifting Realities of Philip K Dick' (ISBN 0-679-74787-7) Similarly Burroughs' Adding Machine is easily as interesting as any of his fiction. Not only did Burroughs and Dick make fools of those who'd relegate sci-fi to a low dumbass genre level, they successfully blurred the fiction / non-fiction boundaries and (de)constructed so called reality. The fantastic was in league against them and the experimental slowly became conventional. If this is something that interests you, then the best Banks books to read are Feersum Endjinn, Walking On Glass & The Bridge. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What are YOU here FOR?" "What are you and you and you HERE for?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:10:29 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Can Tortoise Get Very High? >>>>Can are very high on the list (any recommendations there?) essential: Tago Mago Monster Movie Ege Bam Yasi Soundtracks Delay Peel Sessions Future Days Also very worthwhile: Live Soon Over Babaluma Landed Unlimited Edition Smoke from Flow Motion (the rest of the album is mediocre) Anything by Holger Czukay Jaki Liebezeit's Club Off Chaos Damo Suzuki's Network LIVE EXPERIENCE Cul De Sac (three members of this excellent US psycherockband play in Damo Suzuki's band, or so says that Evil Man Votel) Pluramon - Pick Up Canyon (Liebezeit drums are chopped up & rebuilt on Markus Schmickler's computer, definitely one that ought to appeal to Silo fans) >>>as is Tortoise's "Millions Now Living will Never Die" (as I have, and really like, "TNT" and "Standards.) Played my copy of the first Tortoise album to death over & over until I had to get a replacement in the form of the Japanese compilation that includes most of it plus remixes. Second album is essential, and whilst I like all their later music, I haven't played it half as much as the first two. Look out! Here comes Doug McCombs!!! "Tortoise has the most complex and collaborative method of working. In fact, collaboration is what makes Tortoise what it is. We intentionally start with very small ideas so that the democratic process of writing, arranging and recording becomes as inherent to the song as the actual notes. There are exceptions to this rule, and in fact we don't adhere to any specific rules. This is another important part of the Tortoise process: no rules." http://www.junkmedia.org/01/16/young16.html Interesting & funny Bardo Pond interview http://www.junkmedia.org/01/2/ozuna2.html Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP EFZEG - Boogie (www.churchofgrob.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:35:02 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a disco inferno in debt to dugga / ica recording Michael aka Rain19c@aol.com wrote... >has anyone heard of disco inferno? (...as no-one else has answered on this one so far, i think) yep, i remember them. interesting band i thought...in fact i have the 'The Last Dance' 12" from 1993 with the track 'D.I. Go Pop' on it...haven't played it in a while though, will check it out soon and get back to you, if anything more interesting than this fairly banal reply pops up as a result... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:01:50 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Feersum Endjinn - ----- Original Message ----- From: giluz > I didn't intend to compare Dick to Banks - --- No, it was Dan who was asking if there was a link. - ------- > I have a lot of Dick books and I keep rereading them once in a while. Just > finished one of my favourites, A Scanner Darkly, a few weeks ago. - --------- It's interesting how many people do reread Dick - as Dan's subsequent posting bears out! I rarely reread anyone (mainly due to time constratints) but I make an exception for Dick (and Samuel R Delany). I also have a couple of friends who are avid Dick rereaders. I suspect it's because the plot of a Dick novel doesn't matter as much as the milieu and themes of the books. There's also a generosity towards his characters which is really satisfying to me. Rereading The Man in the High Castle last year I was struck by how there isn't really a bad person in the book, despite the less than savoury political situation. Few authors like their characters this much (I'm prepared to make an exception for Palmer Eldritch here - now there's one book I haven't steeled myself to reread yet as it gave me the willies 25 years ago). - ----------- > Any non-earth/alien experience in SF has some kind of Earth-related > metaphor. Dick just didn't bother hiding it too much. - ------- Too right he didn't - there are few SF writers less interested in creating realistic off-Earth locales. I'll grant you the list below but most of them are planet based - there's little space opera in the opus, which comes back to the original query raised by Dan. another the Keith - ------------- But just for the hell > of it, here's a partial list of non Earth or Mars places where Dick located > his plots: > > The Moon in Solar Lottery > Titan in the Game Players of Titan > The Alphane system in Clans of the Alphane Moon > The prox Solar System in The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch > Plowman's planet in Galactic Pot Healer > Delmark-O in A Maze of Death > Frolix 8 in Our Friends From Frolix 8 > CY30-CY30B in the Divine Invasion > > Lawrence Sutin's biography of Dick, Divine Invasions, is highly recommended. > Dick's life really looked like one of his SF novels. > > giluz > > -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:35:29 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Black/Its Immaterial >Anybody got any pre-fame Black singles? Keith? > >Mark (...still catching up...) thought i'd kill two birds with one stone here...some people on the list might have expected me to answer on these two and i was tempted not to bother, but what the hell... at the start, Black were (for the most part) a duo, Colin Vearncombe and Dave 'Dix' Dickie. Their first single was on the Rox record label (...is there a Blackpool connection there Mark...?) which, for some reason, i still have, along with a couple of the later singles up to the pre-fame 'Hey Presto'. at one point i thought they were really good, this was when they had ex-Teardrop Explodes drummer Gary Dwyer playing with them. i was privy to the demo's of this period, they were pretty interesting and nothing like the schmaltz of 'Wonderful Life'. Dix was the keyboard player and real musical force behind Black and gradually got more and more interested in engineering and producing...to the extent of engineering/producing a single my old band released on a local independent label. he got involved with us by happening to be the house PA guy one night at one of the clubs on the Liverpool toilet circuit, where we played in front of the usual 10 to 20 people and actually impressed him enough to offer some demo time at a local studio he worked in. he stayed around long enough to even play a few gigs with us. sadly, he fucking ruined the single by swamping it with 'swathes of lush keyboards', thus turning a 'better than average power-pop 3-piece' into fucking ABC or something (no flaming please, it's just an appropriate comparison)...anyway... (i'm not bitter, honest...) i pissed him (and our main songwriter, who had his tongue *way up there* from day one) off mightily, by being 'too punk' for him and mentioning the Associates in comparison to Black. Dix ended up moving to Londinium and working with (i think) the Eurythmics and Annabel Lamb amongst others (phew, rock'n'roll...) ...and i'm totally biased... don't get me wrong, i liked him a lot, but his musical taste sucked... he liked US, for crying out loud... It's Immaterial i was hardly involved with (although the same old band did play with them and The Icicle Works once...), until a couple of years ago when i started working with an ex-Yacht (at this juncture i should point out, for anyone who isn't familiar with the late 70's to mid-80's Liverpool scene, that, like most *scenes*, it was totally incestuous, everyone *on the inside of the scene* knew each other and played in lots of different bands at the same time, etc, etc, blah, blah...). i ended up being a kind of go-between, having a few phone calls with Clive Solomon (of Fire Records fame) about re-issuing old Itsy stuff. in the end, Clive quite rightly decided that there weren't going to be a lot of sales involved and it stalled right there... so much for my wheeling and dealing skills, haha. ...and don't ask what the old bands name was. i break out in a rash every time i see or hear the word, or think about the 'good old days'...bah...god bless us, one and all... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:34:18 +0100 From: "DAVID HEALE" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: fall content alert//more BURMA HELLO IDEALCOPIST'S just found this on another site. i recall a "mission of Burma" thread some weeks back.? maybe of use to browse.. bye for now. DAVID in Cornwall - ----- Original Message ----- From: Etan Gery To: fallnet@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 3:29 AM Subject: Re: fall content alert > In the subscriber only section of salon is an article with some fallcon to > it and dammit Microsoft don't you dare change fallcon to falcon again or I > will get you. Subscriber only? Pfha! I read it at work today for free! For free I tell ya! http://www.salon.com/ent/music/review/2002/07/09/mission_burma/index.html?x Speaking of loafing about at work, anyone know of a good way to kill 6 hours or so with the whole Internet at one's disposal? etan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fallnet-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:50:26 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - balls on the line man... >These are books which should be read by anyone who is interested in ideas >about 'where we are going.' agreed on Feersum Endjinn, Wasp Factory and The Player Of Games... ...how about 'The Dice Man'...? essential, in my view... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:54:47 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT - Black/Its Immaterial << at the start, Black were (for the most part) a duo, Colin Vearncombe and Dave 'Dix' Dickie. Their first single << Was that Human Features? >>was on the Rox record label (...is there a Blackpool connection there Mark...?) << Nope. John Robb's fanzine was called Blackpool Rox but the associated record label was Vinyl Drip... >>which, for some reason, i still have, >> Would like to hear that some time. Does it sound anything at all like Wire? >>along with a couple of the later singles up to the pre-fame 'Hey Presto'. at one point i thought they were really good, this was when they had ex-Teardrop Explodes drummer Gary Dwyer playing with them. i was privy to the demo's of this period, they were pretty interesting and nothing like the schmaltz of 'Wonderful Life'.<< I guess that was the way of the 1980s.... >>...and don't ask what the old bands name was. i break out in a rash every time i see or hear the word, or think about the 'good old days'...bah...god bless us, one and all...<< Wasn't the Epileptic Tits, was it? ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:58:33 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Lydon=Sad Panto Punk Tim watched the same telly as me (nearly...)... >Still, this wasn't as tragic as Pantomime Punk John Lydon on the Graham >Norton show tonight. (He was there to 'reluctantly' promote yet another >Pistols reunion gig). > >He attempted to be controversial by calling Bruce Willis 'Bruised Willy' ...tit...glad i didn't bother watching after GN's nightly BB-update... however, i thought Mike Myers, the night before, was simply great and far more 'tuned-in to the vibe', baby... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:04:34 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - SF writing apologies if this is obvious/mundane/whatever in any way but... where would any of you experts consider Kurt Vonnegut to be...? at the core/middle-ground/periphery of SF...? ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:30:56 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT - Black/Its Immaterial me, then MarkB... ><< at the start, Black were (for the most part) a duo, Colin Vearncombe and >Dave 'Dix' Dickie. Their first single << > >Was that Human Features? yep, i have it in front of me right now!! 'Human Features/Electric Church' (Rox 17) with the classic shitty orange Rox label...still probably not worth putting up on Ebay though, haha...!! > >>was on the Rox record label (...is there a Blackpool connection there >Mark...?) << > >Nope. John Robb's fanzine was called Blackpool Rox but the associated >record label was Vinyl Drip... ah, it was the fanzine that jogged my memory...weird connections... > >>which, for some reason, i still have, >> > >Would like to hear that some time. Does it sound anything at all like Wire? i'll let you know... > >>along with a couple of the later singles up to the pre-fame 'Hey >Presto'. at one point i thought they were really good, this was when they >had ex-Teardrop Explodes drummer Gary Dwyer playing with them. i was privy >to the demo's of this period, they were pretty interesting and nothing like >the schmaltz of 'Wonderful Life'.<< > >I guess that was the way of the 1980s.... uh huh...as well as the above, it turns out i only have 'More Than The Sun' on The Wonderful World Of... Records, which was the Warners off-shoot mentioned, i think, and 'Hey Presto' on Eternal... > > >>...and don't ask what the old bands name was. i break out in a rash >every time i see or hear the word, or think about the 'good old >days'...bah...god bless us, one and all...<< > >Wasn't the Epileptic Tits, was it? ;-) i wish...almost joined a band called Pubic Dandruff once, sadly it never was to be, i refused to wear bondage kecks... :-) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:40:43 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - SF writing on 10/07/02 22:04, ian.s. jackson at iansjackson@hotmail.com wrote: > apologies if this is obvious/mundane/whatever in any way but... > > where would any of you experts consider Kurt Vonnegut to be...? > at the core/middle-ground/periphery of SF...? > Vonnegut exiled himself from the ghetto SF authors were in at the time by labelling his SF novels as Fiction. Personally, I always considered him as a quite typical 60's SF author, though I admit I didn't bother to read too much of his books. giluz - -- INDYMEDIA ISRAEL http://www.indymedia.org.il/ Indymedia is a collective of independent media ogranizations and hundreds of journalists offering grassroots, non-corporate coverage of major protests. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:55:56 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Black/Its Immaterial In a message dated 10/07/2002 20:35:50 GMT Daylight Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > and don't ask what the old bands name was. i break out in a rash every > time i see or hear the word, or think about the 'good old days'...bah...god > > bless us, one and all... > > ian.s.j. > > Absolutely top man.That's what I like about this list.Bringing the pseudo famous down to the level of which I can understand.I relate to this.Big time.The so called untouchables were just bands & individuals who made it to a certain level. I met Chrissy Hynde of the Pretenders once at a student gig of which I was a token organiser.Next week 19th July 2002 I beieve she is playing Newmarket Friday Race Night in Cambridgeshire. She was a proper "self righteous pretentious bitch" that particular night. she will probably be a real "Darlin" next week.Brass in Pocket if you're going !! Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:58:34 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT - Black/Its Immaterial In a message dated 10/07/2002 20:55:39 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Wasn't the Epileptic Tits, was it? ;-) > > Mark > Agreed ..Superb name for a band. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:01:08 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT - Black/Its Immaterial In a message dated 10/07/2002 22:35:20 GMT Daylight Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > i wish...almost joined a band called Pubic Dandruff once, sadly it never was > > to be, i refused to wear bondage kecks... :-) > > ian.s.j. > > Shame about the possible picture for posterity. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:03:43 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Shellac - The Futurist (was: Nice Streets Ab Ovo) >Shellac - The Futurist (!!!) How is this? I've long heard about it, but I've never heard it. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #230 *******************************