From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #228 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, July 10 2002 Volume 05 : Number 228 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: Black/ Moby [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] [idealcopy] black/moby [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Black/ Moby [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Fwd: ISB Newsletter 5 [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] GoGoGo Airheart ["Stephen Graziano" ] [idealcopy] Re: ot-insides [Ian Grant ] [idealcopy] oh no not you again [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Disturbing Quote of the Week ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] oh no not you again [Santa Cruzer ] [idealcopy] Incredible String Band are......... [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Bowie & Woss/Lydon=Sad Panto Punk [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Feersum Endjinn ["dan bailey" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 05:48:29 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Black/ Moby Just reading some posts from last week, having been away. Didn't know that Black were a 3 piece - did know that the successful album (with Wonderful life, etc) was co-written by Colin Vearncombe with Dave Dix, who later managed a band I knew. Dix, deep in debt, sold all the rights of the album to CV after it initially appeared to stiff. Bad news for him. He is married to Annabel Lamb ... nice people, no matter what you think of her version of Riders on the Storm. Did anyone else see the South Bank show on Moby? Not good for the blood pressure - high/low point came when he said that he used the blues samples that 'generated an emotional experience within him' or somesuch bollocks. 'And whose originators are dead so you won't have to pay royalties', I shouted at the telly, as my partner prepared a tranquilizing shot. What was funny was the paucity of talking heads who had anything really good to say about him - 'popularizer' was about as complimentary as it got. Also plenty of annoying bits of him in front of his computer coming up with startlingly unoriginal Jarre/Robert Miles riffs. Niiiice. The big question is, if they can do a full show on Moby, why not Wire? Should we ask them? It is after all supposed to be an arts show, on which, one would expect, massive sales ought not to be a sine que non for the inclusion of an artist. Football related note to Mark B - how long do you give Venables before he buggers off and blames almost anyone else for what goes wrong? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:09:31 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] black/moby Howard axed... >>Did anyone else see the South Bank show on Moby? Not good for the blood pressure - high/low point came when he said that he used the blues samples that 'generated an emotional experience within him' or somesuch bollocks. Quite!...and the narrator described this as 'groundbreakingly original...' or somesuch other bollocks...not heard Skip McDonald's 'Little Axe' then? peurile commercial crap...which spiritual home is *truly* the car ad.. later Alistair <<...OLE_Obj...>> ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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Not good for the blood > pressure - high/low point came when he said that he used the blues samples > that 'generated an emotional experience within him' or somesuch bollocks. > 'And whose originators are dead so you won't have to pay royalties', I > shouted at the telly, as my partner prepared a tranquilizing shot. /////i did see that show , thought it was quite interesting really. as much for the behind-the-scenes machinations of it all as the music. i didn't mind play but the new cd looks like "re-play" from what i've heard. i still give moby the benefit of the doubt that his heart's in the right place ; i take it you thnk he's cynical? What was > funny was the paucity of talking heads who had anything really good to say > about him - 'popularizer' was about as complimentary as it got. Also plenty > of annoying bits of him in front of his computer coming up with startlingly > unoriginal Jarre/Robert Miles riffs. Niiiice. /////mind you , would you like a ringing endorsement from pete tong? i was reading that all these mixmag type publications and "superclubs" are going down the pan amidst plummeting sales/attendances , such a shame. apparently school disco is taking over which i think means lots of human league and soft cell plus the return of the much-missed erection section. those fischerspooner guys might clean up yet...... > > The big question is, if they can do a full show on Moby, why not Wire? > Should we ask them? It is after all supposed to be an arts show, on which, > one would expect, massive sales ought not to be a sine que non for the > inclusion of an artist. /////well they've had plenty of shows on utterly obscure artists of all descriptions. closest they've ever done to wire was , i guess , sonic youth. i think its rationed out so maybe moby was the "alternative rock" show for this season? next week ; bolivian nose flute trio. > > Football related note to Mark B - how long do you give Venables before he > buggers off and blames almost anyone else for what goes > wrong? ////i think he's been out celebrating that great appointment and the hangover hasn't worn off yet. can't think of any other reason why he hasn't responded to the mail i sent him warmly congratulating them on such a sound decision.......p > > Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:24:01 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] skinning the rabbit http://www.koor.org/stuff/fun/movies/swf/go.swf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:42:41 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Black/ Moby << > Football related note to Mark B - how long do you give Venables before he > buggers off and blames almost anyone else for what goes > wrong? ////i think he's been out celebrating that great appointment and the hangover hasn't worn off yet. can't think of any other reason why he hasn't responded to the mail i sent him warmly congratulating them on such a sound decision.......p >> Cynical buggers. For the record, I'm quite happy with the choice. Would have preferred O'Neill but he's hanging out for Ferguson's job in the future... I know Tel is rivalled in the used car dealer stakes only by "Big" Ron but he's respected by the playersand already appears to have convinced Ridsdale that the world's best defender is not for sale, which DOL had failed to do. Also I think TV knows how to get the best out of Harry Kewell... And at least he won't be on the telly so much now. Now all he has to do is finish 4th in the league. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:36:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: ISB Newsletter 5 - --- Michael Fitzgerald wrote: > From: "Michael Fitzgerald" > > To: > Subject: ISB Newsletter 5 > Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:56:41 +0100 > > > > are delighted to update on developments as at July > 2002 > > NEWS ON THE INCREDIBLE STRING BAND > > RELEASE OF REMASTERED I LOOKED UP AND U IN UK > > Never before issued on CD in the UK, I Looked Up > gathers together some of > the outstanding songs the Incredible String Band > turned out in late 1969 > including such This Moment, Black Jack Davy and > Pictures In A Mirror. > > U was recorded at the end of The Incredible String > Bands Stateside tour > of their ambitious multimedia show in 1970. This > double album contains some > of the bands finest songs such as Queen of Love, > Light in Time of Darkness > and Invocation and has been the cause of fascination > over the past thirty > years.. It is even rumoured that the genesis of Matt > Groenings Futurama > was the song Robot Blues. This is the albums > first CD release. > > The Elektra versions of this album are due for > release on 12th August 2002. > I Looked Up is priced at #10.99 UK, #11.99 ROW and > U is priced at > #13.99, #14.99 ROW. > > To pre-order contact Unique Gravity, P.O. Box 114, > Chesterfield, Derbyshire, > S40 3YU, UK, uniqgrav@global.co.uk. Unique Gravity > have informed us that > anyone who has pre-ordered U will be issued with > the US Collectors Choice > version in the coming week. > > THE INCREDIBLE STRING BAND TO TOUR UK IN OCTOBER & > NOVEMBER 2002 > > Tickets are now on sale: > > October > > Sat 19 The Neptune, Hanover St, Liverpool > B/O 0151 709 7844 > > Sun 20 The Royal Theatre, Guildhall Rd, > Northampton B/O > 01604 624811 > > Mon 21 Corn Exchange, Wheeler St, Cambridge > B/O > 01223 357851 > > Tue 22 Zodiac, 190 Cowley Road, Oxford > B/O 01865 420042 > > Thur 24 The Picture Playhouse, Market Place, > Beverley B/O > 01482 881315 > > Fri 25 Opera House, Westgate Rd, Newcastle > B/O > 0191 232 0899 > > Sat 26 Queens Hall, Clerk St, Edinburgh > B/O 0131 668 2019 > > Sun 27 The Lowry, The Quays, Salford > B/O 0161 876 2011 > > Thur 31 Fairfield Halls, Park Lane, Croydon > B/O 0208 688 9291 > > November > > Fri 1 Town Hall, St Marys St, High Wycombe > B/O > 01494 512 000 > > Sat 2 Phoenix, Gandy St, Exeter > B/O 01392 667 080 > > Sun 3 Jazz Cafi, 5-7 Parkway, Camden, London > B/O > 020 734 40044 > > Mon 4 St Georges Hall, Great Georges St, > Bristol B/O > O1179 230359 > > For the Queen's Hall concert in Edinburgh on > Saturday 26th October, we have > secured the first four rows for exclusive sale to > members of the mailing > list. These tickets are available now in advance of > sales to the general > public. Tickets #15.00 each from Unique Gravity, > P.O. Box 114, Chesterfield, > Derbyshire, S40 3YU, England. > > US TOUR FOR INCREDIBLE STRING BAND > > The Incredible String Band is to tour the United > States from 11th 28th > April 2003. Once we have confirmed details of venues > and dates these will be > forwarded to you. > > WOODSTOCK DIARIES - DVD > > Warner Bros have reissued a re-mastered version of > Woodstock Diaries on DVD > that includes a short clip of 30 seconds of the > Incredible String Band > performing When You find Out Who You Are. > > BE GLAD FOR THE SONG HAS NO ENDING - DVD > > A digitally re-mastered version of the award winning > video directed by Peter > Neal is now available priced #15.99 UK #16.99 ROW > from Unique Gravity, P.O. > Box 114, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, S40 3YU, UK. > uniqgrav@globalnet.co.uk > > The DVD includes an interview with Peter Neal about > the making of the film > and incorporates a digitally re-mastered soundtrack. > > NEWS ON ROBIN WILLIAMSON > > For full details on Robin's solo work please see > www.robinwilliamson.info > > SKIRTING THE RIVER ROAD > > Robins new album Skirting the River Road for ECM > is scheduled for a UK > release on the 21st October to coincide with the > Incredible String Bands UK > tour. Release of the album in Europe should follow a > week or two later and > the US release is scheduled for April 2003. > > SOLO GIGS > > Upcoming gigs are: > > 30 August 2002 "Te Deum" Llanrihidian Church, > Llanrihidian B/O 02920 > 710014 > > Early purchase is recommended due to limited > capacity > > This is the first in a series of performances based > on Latin texts that will > be performed by Robin and Bina Williamson with > improvisational woodwind and > percussionists - Paul Dunmall and Mohan Singh. The > Te Deum is a Celtic > celebration of the harvest using new settings of > biblical texts in Latin and > English. > > Other performances with these exceptional > improvisational woodwind and > percussionists include performances of Clavis > Aquili at Norwegian Church > and Sanctus at Ewenny Priory. Tickets for > Norwegian Church will be on sale > from the BBC Box Office in Cardiff nearer the time. > For details on Ewenny > Priory, contact the Churches Tourism Network, Wales > on +44 (0) 2920 710014 > or contact john@ctnw.fsnet.co.uk > > 23 November Clavis Aquili Norwegian Church, > Cardiff > > 6 December Durham Town Hall Robin solo > B/O TBA > > 12 December Tavistock Wharf Robin solo > B/O TBA > > 1 February 2003 Sanctus Ewenny Priory > > FIRST GIRL > > Robins song First Girl I Loved is to be used in a > 30 minute documentary > being produced by Rod Pitman based around a short > film made by Jim Morrison > of The Doors at UCLA in 1964 titled First Girl. > The film is to be shown at > the Sundance Film Festival and several art houses in > the US. > > BARDIC WORKSHOP NO 3: RESTORATION OF THE SACRED > > This is a respectful attempt to disentangle > mythology from history, inner > truths from facts, vision from dogma. This weekend > workshop further explores > traditional Celtic approaches to God, without > religious politics, > hierarchies, or sectarianism, by way of discussion > and guided imagery from > the wisdom lore of Britain, which is woven through > tales of the Mabinogion. > > This will take place in Hazelwood House, Devon. The > workshop priced #220 > (including course fee, accommodation and meals) will > take place 19th-21st > July 2002. A few last minute places are available. > However booking and > payment must be made before July 8th. > > Further information from Unique Gravity: > uniqgrav@globalnet.co.uk. > > GEMS OF CELTIC STORY 3 > > A new CD featuring Robin's performance of the > legendary Celtic myth "The Two > Battles of Moytura" is now available. The CD priced > #12.99 (including > postage and packing), #13.99 Rest of the World can > be ordered from Unique > Gravity, P.O. Box 114, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, S40 > 3YU, UK. > uniqgrav@globalnet.co.uk > > NEWS ON MIKE HERON > > FUTUREFIELD CD AND VIDEO > > Over the period covered by the November 2001 tour by > The Incredible String > Band an intimate portrait of Mike Heron rehearsing > and recording the tracks > from his Futurefield mini CD was made. This video > featuring interviews > with Mike Heron as well as a performance of > Painting Box, which is not on > the CD is now available from Unique Gravity, P.O. > Box 114, Chesterfield, > Derbyshire, S40 3YU, UK uniqgrav@globalnet.co.uk > priced at #10.99 UK and > #11.99 ROW. > > Unique Gravity has released a limited CD release of > the recent studio > recordings by Mike Heron & Lawson Dando. The mini > album is called > "Futurefield" and the track listing is: Worlds They > Rise & Fall, Residential > Boy, Take A Breath With Me, The Falling in Love, > Singing The Dolphin, Don't > Kill It Carol plus a hidden track. The CD priced > #9.99 (including postage > and packing), #10.99 Rest of the World can be > ordered from Unique Gravity, > P.O. Box 114, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, S40 3YU, UK > uniqgrav@globalnet.co.uk > > A clip from the video will be available to view on > the website from July > 12th. > > "CASABLANCA" > > Unique Gravity records has released Mike Heron's > album "Mike Heron" on CD. > Please note that the limited edition version of the > Casablanca album with > bonus disc has sold out and now reverts to the > original album release. > > The CD priced #13.99 UK #14.99 ROW may be ordered > from Unique Gravity P.O. > Box 114, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, S40 3YU, UK. > uniqgrav@globalnet.co.uk > > Thank You and Stay In Touch > > Mick Fitzgerald - Manager of The Official Incredible > String Band > Website(webmaster@marshotel.co.uk) > > All Material Copyright The Incredible String Band > 2002 - Not To Be Used > Without Permission Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:59:34 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: [idealcopy] GoGoGo Airheart I checked out a little of GGGA and I think they're great! Seems they're gonna be in Richmond, VA Thurs nite, so I'm going to check them out live. Don't know if it's incipient old fartdom but I'm enjoying this Class of '81 revival with the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and rejuvinated Wire and even the Strokes (in small doses). If anyone wants to stroll down memory lane and hear it as it was when it was, check out my lil ole website. My label, SourMash has issued a double CD by NYC art punks Certain General. The live CD is a 77 minute dose of prime Gang of Four/Contortions/Wire/Talking Heads/60s garage/Joy Divisiony influenced NYC underground noise. Recorded real good too. (and cheap) - - Steve. G http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Hick" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 1:51 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Sparrow Fartz the Purest Shite > >>>While the rest of the review > seemed refreshing enough, the comparison between Wire and Therapy/Motorhead > just seems so WAY of! > > At least one member of Wire was pretty impressed by Lemmy in Hawkwind band > during early 70s. Ace of Spades redone in computer cut up mode wouldn't sound > so drastically removed from Comet. > > On the way down to ATP I put a tape of R&B01 on the stereo & my friend Dez's > reaction to hearing Comet for the first time was that it sounded like Wire > rewriting Ace of Spades! At least one member of Wire considers this one of the > most flattering remarks to have been made about anything in the Wire > oeuvre... > > For what it's worth Therapy? were influenced enough by Wire to cover Reuters > (they didn't do it very well though - their cover of the Membranes Tatty > Seaside Town works much better). > > It might be that better comparisons in a more contemporary vein would be Enon, > Melt Banana, Mission of Burma, Liars, Trans Am, Shellac, Flux Information > Sciences, Silo, etc, etc. However Motorhead & Therapy seem much more valid > comparisons for Wire (now) than pissweak plagiarists like Strokes & Blur or > even the science of tin cans full of turds. > > Strokes fans should check out GoGoGo Airheart to hear how it could've sounded > if they'd lived up to the hype & Televison comparisons instead of just coming > on like the Housemartins sheathed in dead cow. > > "It's not rocket science." > > Cracked Machine > Highly Irregular Cyberzine > http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine > > Keiji Haino: "What I want to get across to people is that we should never > create positions of control. I don't mean that we should destroy them, but I > want people to become really aware that they aren't free. I grew up on rock, > but I want to take it to another world." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 17:07:55 +0100 From: Ian Grant Subject: [idealcopy] Re: ot-insides Paul wrote: >anyone familiar with an album called euphoria by the band insides? Oh, yes. Very familiar indeed, as it happens. Familiar enough for me to get a name-check on the sleeve, anyway...which is pretty much my only claim to fame in thirty-two years on the planet, so many thanks for giving me the chance to mention it.... Anyway, Insides began life as Earwig, a superior-quality indie-type band, formed at Sussex University in the late eighties. Which is where and when I went to university, hence the familiarity. They released a series of fairly guitar-led twelve-inches on the Brighton-based La-Di-Da label, before starting to experiment with a more sparse and delicate sound. That resulted in an absolutely exquisite album ("Under My Skin I Am Laughing"), along with an equally breathtaking single ("Every Day Shines" / "I Need Feel"). They'd be virtually impossible to track down now, I'd imagine...but if you do ever stumble across them, don't let them slip from your grasp. After losing a guitarist and so becoming a two-some, they changed their name to Insides and signed to 4AD off-shoot Guernica. There, they released "Euphoria" in '93...which, as you know, is a fabulous concoction, worthy of a far greater audience. It's a wonderful record...elaborate without being clever, experimental without being obscure, beautiful without being shallow, accessible without being desperate, emotive without being hysterical. It was followed by a lengthy ambient piece, "Clear Skin", also on Guernica. Personally, I didn't feel that 4AD ever did enough to sell them to the masses, really. It was as if they weren't easy enough to slap a label on, and therefore got neglected in favour of dullards like Swallow. To complete the story for now (although not, hopefully, for ever), they released another album, "Sweet Tip", on Third Stone in 2000. A much jazzier, looser affair...but still with that trademark way of allowing a lovely tune to evolve into a surge of emotion, without bellowing about it. Again, nothing much happened to it; again, that's a shame. Still a great band, though. You probably wish you'd never asked now. Or you knew all that already.... Oh, and just to bring it back on topic, a (vague) Wire link...around the time of their Guernica releases, Insides were managed by Mike/Mick/Michael Collins.... Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:34:21 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] oh no not you again like a nasty rash , some people just don't seem to go away. saturday's guardian contains a 3 page essay by louise wener about why she quit the music biz (like , nobody gave a toss louise). i thought i'd share this paragraph with you ; " at the time (she's talking about 1993 in case you wondered) the music press was an anachronistic and ghettoised area. Women who spoke in sentences were "opinionated" and intelligence was largely calibrated by the number of wire b-sides you could name or the ability to demonstrate an encyclopaedic knowledge of Led Zep 4" phew! i guess by the above reckoning we are one pretty smart bunch. or we were in 1993. i was certainly smart enough not to buy sleeper records anyway. will we ever see the back of this silly woman ?(she's got a book published about , wait for it , a girl in a band) . please spare me any more . p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:41:32 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Disturbing Quote of the Week To add my twopennorth to what has been an interestingly diverse list of Can recommendations, I can only recommend the Peel sessions, which I've mentioned here previously as being the apotheosis of their post-Suzuki style. From the same era, Future Days is an album I've played too many times to count and which I always find rewarding. Monster Movie is essential for 'Father Cannot Yell' which is an extraordinary track. And you'll need something from the Suzuki period too. Hell, as people keep saying just buy anything up to 1975. I'd certainly buy all of it before the Tortoise album IMHO. another the Keith - ----------- Can are very high > on the list (any recommendations there?), as is Tortoise's "Millions > Now Living will Never Die" (as I have, and really like, "TNT" and > "Standards.) > > Andrew > > -- > "Everybody eat your dust; everybody love your dust..." > - The Auteurs, "Light Aircraft on Fire" ('After Murder Park') > adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:54:10 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Feersum Endjinn I wouldn't make a direct link between Dick and Banks, although I haven't read the book in question - but Banks' SF is more galactic, communist space opera whereas Dick rarely left Earth or Mars - which was just another version of southern California in his mind. Dick's spin on the world and the type of fiction he wrote was so particular to him that I think you've just got to reread him rather than look for an other version - as there's so much of it there's always something you haven't read or reread recently in my experience. Couldn't agree more about Blade Runner, Giluz. I saw it for the first time after rereading Do Androids Dream and came out spitting feathers at the opportunity wasted. That it then became a 'classic' upset me for years after. I'm more at peace with it now as it's clear that the visuals have been so influential on SF film (Minority Report most recently) and fiction (Cyberpunk) but it's still a long way from being a great film in either version. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- > > can't say i've read banks, but the comments below sound like they could come > > from a description of most of phil dick's '60s oeuvre ... anybody out there > > familiar with both authors (giluz?) who could make any sort of comparison? > > > > dan > > ==Sorry, haven't read Banks. > > > Haven't read him but can't think of any significant SF author to emerge in > the last two decades that hasn't been heavily influenced by Dick. One of the > greatest authors ever, mostly known because of the film Blade Runner was > based on one of his books (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?), which does > him great injustice, as both this particular book and most of his other ones > are just so much better. > > I was one of the few that didn't get too excited about BR - a good film, but > far from being the futuristic masterpiece everyone keeps talking about. At > least people stopped looking at Ridley Scott as a great director. The > director's cut was even worse (as most director's cuts go), taking out most > of the elements which made it good, adding that stupid sequence with the > unicorn, deleting the film-noirish narration and changing the ending - what > a wanker. > > Recent SF discussion made me reread Snow Crash, where Dick's influence is > also prominent, especially with its references to pre-christian myths and > religions and its platonic view on reality (Dick deals with 'actual' > realities, while with Stephenson it's all about linguist realities). As I > mentioned here in the past, anyone interested in the 'language is a virus' > notion, should read Snow Crash, which takes this sentence quite literally. > And it also contains one of the most hillarious sex scenes in SF (only > paralleled maybe in Bruce Sterling's Schismatrix - another author heavily > influenced by Dick). > > giluz > > -- > > INDYMEDIA ISRAEL > http://www.indymedia.org.il/ > Indymedia is a collective of > independent media ogranizations > and hundreds of journalists > offering grassroots, non-corporate > coverage of major protests. > > > > ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:03:36 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] oh no not you again This was mentioned just after a mention of Elastica so was clearly a dig in that direction. But it's kind of interesting that there's an assumption that the readership will know who Wire are, even if their knowledge of them is as an obscurantist group who it would be better not to enquire about further. I personally also have an encyclopaedic knowledge of Led Zep 4. another the Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:34 PM Subject: [idealcopy] oh no not you again > like a nasty rash , some people just don't seem to go away. saturday's > guardian contains a 3 page essay by louise wener about why she quit the music > biz (like , nobody gave a toss louise). i thought i'd share this paragraph > with you ; > > " at the time (she's talking about 1993 in case you wondered) the music press > was an anachronistic and ghettoised area. Women who spoke in sentences were > "opinionated" and intelligence was largely calibrated by the number of wire > b-sides you could name or the ability to demonstrate an encyclopaedic > knowledge of Led Zep 4" > > phew! i guess by the above reckoning we are one pretty smart bunch. or we > were in 1993. i was certainly smart enough not to buy sleeper records > anyway. will we ever see the back of this silly woman ?(she's got a book > published about , wait for it , a girl in a band) . please spare me any more > . p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:13:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GoGoGo Airheart Yet for all that one was unable to listen to a single heartbeat (on the website) d'you BUY music you've never heard?Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:46:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] oh no not you again Well, I have to admit to having no idea who she is. > > like a nasty rash , some people just don't seem to > go away. saturday's > > guardian contains a 3 page essay by louise wener > > " at the time (she's talking about 1993 in case > you wondered) the music > press > > was an anachronistic and ghettoised area. Women > who spoke in sentences > were > > "opinionated" I guess if you discard artists like Laurie Anderson, Bonnie Raitt, Kate Bush, Melissa Etheridge, Joan Armatrading Siousxie, Elizabeth Frazier and a slew of others, that statement could almost work! ...Nah! > calibrated by the number of > wire > > b-sides you could name or the ability to > demonstrate an encyclopaedic > > knowledge of Led Zep 4" Well, as a non-singles person, I would have a hard time naming B-sides from anyone. And musically, Zep was one of the few bands that made it from the 70's to the 80's for me. I still can listen to bits of Physical Grafitti, but the rest isn't aging to well! Just an opinion, as always! NP: Stereolab - Emperor Tomato Ketchup Praga Khan - Pragamatic NR: Jim Carroll - Basketball Diaries ===== Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 http://3rproductions.com Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Incredible String Band are......... ......back on the move,and shall shortly be touring Britain and United States,for these and other info visit their website at www.incrediblestringband.com Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:26:01 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Feersum Endjinn on 09/07/02 23:54, Keith Knight at steeleknight@lineone.net wrote: > I wouldn't make a direct link between Dick and Banks, although I haven't > read the book in question - but Banks' SF is more galactic, communist space > opera whereas Dick rarely left Earth or Mars - which was just another > version of southern California in his mind. Dick's spin on the world and > the type of fiction he wrote was so particular to him that I think you've > just got to reread him rather than look for an other version - as there's so > much of it there's always something you haven't read or reread recently in > my experience. I didn't intend to compare Dick to Banks, as I've never read banks so I can't. I just mentioned that Dick's influence on post-80's SF is quite unparalleled. Despite Dick's unique personal style, I can see echoes of him in all of the authors I mentioned in my post, and most of them admit to being heavily influenced by him. His shifting realities, the way he predicted corporations & show-biz would have power equal or greater than states, the drugs he invented and the sub-cultures that evolved around it and even the theological mysticism of his last books, are everywhere now. I have a lot of Dick books and I keep rereading them once in a while. Just finished one of my favourites, A Scanner Darkly, a few weeks ago. Any non-earth/alien experience in SF has some kind of Earth-related metaphor. Dick just didn't bother hiding it too much. But just for the hell of it, here's a partial list of non Earth or Mars places where Dick located his plots: The Moon in Solar Lottery Titan in the Game Players of Titan The Alphane system in Clans of the Alphane Moon The prox Solar System in The Three Stugmata of Palmer Eldritch Plowman's planet in Galactic Pot Healer Delmark-O in A Maze of Death Frolix 8 in Our Friends From Frolix 8 CY30-CY30B in the Divine Invasion Lawrence Sutin's biography of Dick, Divine Invasions, is highly recommended. Dick's life really looked like one of his SF novels. giluz - -- INDYMEDIA ISRAEL http://www.indymedia.org.il/ Indymedia is a collective of independent media ogranizations and hundreds of journalists offering grassroots, non-corporate coverage of major protests. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:15:14 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Bowie & Woss/Lydon=Sad Panto Punk Fergus wrote: >Did anyone catch the Bowie interview on Jonathan Woss ? I thought Woss was >rather sycophantic to say the least. Some rather stupid questions, but Bowie >held his own fairly well (good Bing Crosby impression), Ross makes a career out of asking stupid, inane questions. Bowie was in on the joke, but seemed unsure whether to play the aloof rock star or play along, doing his Peter Cook voice...again. Still, this wasn't as tragic as Pantomime Punk John Lydon on the Graham Norton show tonight. (He was there to 'reluctantly' promote yet another Pistols reunion gig). He attempted to be controversial by calling Bruce Willis 'Bruised Willy' (Ho Ho Ho..My Aching sides) When that fell flat he resorted to slagging off the Royal Family. No-one reacted and he took this as some kind of show of apathy and tried to take the studio audience to task. No-one could be arsed to tell him that even the Royal Family slag off the royal family these days. He spent the rest of show desparately trying to poke fun at the proceedings....which were so painfully post-post-pre-modern camp as to be beyond parody so he ended up crawling up his own arse at the end. Good god someone shoot the poor f**ker and put him out of his misery. ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:23:47 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sparrow Fartz the Purest Shite Bill Hicked: >Strokes fans should check out GoGoGo Airheart to hear how it could've sounded >if they'd lived up to the hype & Televison comparisons instead of just coming >on like the Housemartins sheathed in dead cow. but If we aren't supposed to make jackets out of dead cows, why are they made of Leather? Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:51:15 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot-insides Paul CD wrote: >anyone familiar with an album called euphoria by the band insides? > >- -paul c.d. I have a copy. I like it... But for my money its not as good as 'Under My Skin I am Laughing' by their previous incarnation, Earwig (less one member i think). Beautiful, Icy cold electronic/guitar music. Imagine 'Looking from A Hilltop' by Section 25 covered by My Bloody Valentine. Brrrr! A much loved record in my collection that. Never saw them live but I understand they used to perform behind a gauze screen which is an idea I have always rather liked. Whatever happened to Earwig and/or Insides? ________________________________________ Two Fat Persons....Click Click Click http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:06:54 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Feersum Endjinn >on 09/07/02 23:54, Keith Knight at steeleknight@lineone.net wrote: > >> I wouldn't make a direct link between Dick and Banks, although I haven't >> read the book in question - but Banks' SF is more galactic, communist space >> opera whereas Dick rarely left Earth or Mars - which was just another >> version of southern California in his mind. Dick's spin on the world and >> the type of fiction he wrote was so particular to him that I think you've >> just got to reread him rather than look for an other version - as there's so >> much of it there's always something you haven't read or reread recently in >> my experience. yes, indeed. except for humpty dumpty in oakland, nicholas & the glimmung & gather yourselves together, all of which i've read once, i've read each of his 42 or so novels twice, except for the 15 or thereabouts best ones (in my estimation ... the obvious ones plus simulacra, now wait for last year, we can build you, game-players of titan & alphane moon), which i've read 3 times, plus 4 times for time out of joint, which all but changed my life when i encountered it as a callow just-turned-12-year-old in the fall of '72. perhaps that qualifies as some variety of obsession ... can't really say, alas, that anything coming out under the sf rubric in the last couple of decades has done a whole lot for me, at least not consistently on an author-by-author basis, though rudy rucker had a pretty good run for awhile there, till around '90. closest i come these days is, i suppose, the rather hard-to-categorize novels of jonathan carroll, who i see has another one due out in a couple of months. otherwise, much like some old punks have slipped into jazz or whatever, the last few years i've been more likely to read mysteries (esp. by sharyn mccrumb, lia matera, jay brandon, troy soos, grif stockley, joe l. hensley, joe lansdale & steve brewer, which listing includes a couple of homeboys), horror (have recently found my old interest in lovecraft & the stuff he inspired rekindled ... as it happens, mark e smith ranks both hpl & pkd quite highly) &, uh, various treatises on the paranormal, esp. ufos. too, the death of ted williams has sent me burrowing into old favorites like bill james' historical baseball abstract & the politics of glory. not to mention endless stories about the doings of the montgomery, ala., city council, but i don't have any choice in that matter. dan > >I didn't intend to compare Dick to Banks, as I've never read banks so I >can't. I just mentioned that Dick's influence on post-80's SF is quite >unparalleled. Despite Dick's unique personal style, I can see echoes of him >in all of the authors I mentioned in my post, and most of them admit to >being heavily influenced by him. His shifting realities, the way he >predicted corporations & show-biz would have power equal or greater than >states, the drugs he invented and the sub-cultures that evolved around it >and even the theological mysticism of his last books, are everywhere now. > >I have a lot of Dick books and I keep rereading them once in a while. Just >finished one of my favourites, A Scanner Darkly, a few weeks ago. > >Any non-earth/alien experience in SF has some kind of Earth-related >metaphor. Dick just didn't bother hiding it too much. But just for the hell >of it, here's a partial list of non Earth or Mars places where Dick located >his plots: > >The Moon in Solar Lottery >Titan in the Game Players of Titan >The Alphane system in Clans of the Alphane Moon >The prox Solar System in The Three Stugmata of Palmer Eldritch >Plowman's planet in Galactic Pot Healer >Delmark-O in A Maze of Death >Frolix 8 in Our Friends From Frolix 8 >CY30-CY30B in the Divine Invasion > >Lawrence Sutin's biography of Dick, Divine Invasions, is highly recommended. >Dick's life really looked like one of his SF novels. > >giluz > >-- > >INDYMEDIA ISRAEL >http://www.indymedia.org.il/ >Indymedia is a collective of >independent media ogranizations >and hundreds of journalists >offering grassroots, non-corporate >coverage of major protests. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #228 *******************************