From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #227 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, July 9 2002 Volume 05 : Number 227 Today's Subjects: ----------------- FW: [idealcopy] Feersum Endjinn [giluz ] RE: [idealcopy] first ever gig [Woerner Frank ] RE: [idealcopy] First gig [Woerner Frank ] [idealcopy] attn: Robert Cambra... [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Bowie & Woss ["Fergus Kelly" ] Re: [idealcopy] Bowie & Woss ["giluz" ] Re: [idealcopy] Disturbing Quote of the Week ["Stephen Graziano" ] [idealcopy] Sparrow Fartz the Purest Shite ["Bill Hick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Disturbing Quote of the Week ["ian.s. jackson" Subject: FW: [idealcopy] Feersum Endjinn > can't say i've read banks, but the comments below sound like they could come > from a description of most of phil dick's '60s oeuvre ... anybody out there > familiar with both authors (giluz?) who could make any sort of comparison? > > dan ==Sorry, haven't read Banks. Haven't read him but can't think of any significant SF author to emerge in the last two decades that hasn't been heavily influenced by Dick. One of the greatest authors ever, mostly known because of the film Blade Runner was based on one of his books (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?), which does him great injustice, as both this particular book and most of his other ones are just so much better. I was one of the few that didn't get too excited about BR - a good film, but far from being the futuristic masterpiece everyone keeps talking about. At least people stopped looking at Ridley Scott as a great director. The director's cut was even worse (as most director's cuts go), taking out most of the elements which made it good, adding that stupid sequence with the unicorn, deleting the film-noirish narration and changing the ending - what a wanker. Recent SF discussion made me reread Snow Crash, where Dick's influence is also prominent, especially with its references to pre-christian myths and religions and its platonic view on reality (Dick deals with 'actual' realities, while with Stephenson it's all about linguist realities). As I mentioned here in the past, anyone interested in the 'language is a virus' notion, should read Snow Crash, which takes this sentence quite literally. And it also contains one of the most hillarious sex scenes in SF (only paralleled maybe in Bruce Sterling's Schismatrix - another author heavily influenced by Dick). giluz - -- INDYMEDIA ISRAEL http://www.indymedia.org.il/ Indymedia is a collective of independent media ogranizations and hundreds of journalists offering grassroots, non-corporate coverage of major protests. - ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:25:37 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: RE: [idealcopy] first ever gig > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Astbury [mailto:keith.astbury10@virgin.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:26 AM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] first ever gig > > > Here's one for you y'all. > > WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST EVER GIG? > > And honest answers please, not the hip Pistols at the 100 > Club reply (unless > of course, you really were that fortunate!) > > Anyway, here's mine. > > Although I'd seen a number of M.O.R. pop acts as a child due > to my mum and > dad loving 'a good show' (the Seekers and the Bachelors in > the 60's, Roger > Whittaker and New World in the early 70's!!!), the first > PROPER gig I went to > was Uriah Heep at the Manchester Free Trade Hall on their > 1974 'Wonderworld' > tour. .... > Over to you??? > > Keith As always my answer comes a little late. My first concert was Led Zeppelin in Nuernberg in 1973. My first concert with some backstage talk after the show was Roxy Music in Nurnberg ( pre-"For your Pleasure" time) I've stolen a feather of Eno's jacket as a souvenir. My first concert with some jamming with he musicians before the show was Nazareth in Erlangen. The guitarist (whose name I can't remember ) gave me one of his guitars and we played several songs together ... "This flight tonight" anyone ...??? ... and now leaving the real world and starting to fantasize ... My first concert with some after gig party at the hotel rooms. Just me and the Bangles. ;-)) FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:40:39 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: RE: [idealcopy] First gig > -----Original Message----- > From: Bart van Damme [mailto:bartvandamme@home.nl] > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:27 PM > To: wire-news > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] First gig > > > I believe it was 1978. Ian Dury at the Concertgebouw in the > Hague - a very > posh concertbuilding, but when Ian came on he all invited us > to leave our > red velvet seats and come to the front. He had a huge bag > full of little > presents wich he emptied out to us! It was one fantastic > evening of fun [!] > and one of the most enthusiastic performances I've ever witnessed. Absolutely true ... I saw him doing this here in Erlangen. He was a fantastic performer. When I was working as a DJ back in the late seventies I often played some of his records "Hit me...", "Wake up and make love...", "Reasons to be cheerful" ... really great dance music. If I had one "concert wish" free it would be the B52s after their first album. Somehow I missed them when they were touring Europe when the band members were still all alive. FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:08:49 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] attn: Robert Cambra... Robert contact me offlist please....i need to confirm your address.. Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:31:32 +0100 From: "Fergus Kelly" Subject: [idealcopy] Bowie & Woss Did anyone catch the Bowie interview on Jonathan Woss ? I thought Woss was rather sycophantic to say the least. Some rather stupid questions, but Bowie held his own fairly well (good Bing Crosby impression), until it came out that he "doesn't do nappies". "Yes, I've resolved not to.." Not impressed ! What a fuckin' Rock Star... "What's that Iman?...No sorry, I'm tending my Muse..." Woss's attempts to "demystify" Bowie were fairly pathetic and met with a protective wall, or, rather, a Gimme Money gesture... Here's my tuppence ha'penny's worth for Andrew who sought advice on Can LPs... Soon Over Babaluma would probably be my favourite, closely followed by Ege Bamyasi and Future Days. Tago Mago fairly rocks too. In fact I don't know if I could separate these LPs... they're all equally BRILLIANT. Fergus http://www.whisperinggallery.com/wg/personnel/kelly/index.shtml http://www.swimhq.com/nonspace/Malkaproject/Fergus.html "In empty space I twist and soar, And come down with the roar of thunder" Steven Stapleton/David Tibet: The Sadness Of Things _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:13:47 +0000 From: "giluz" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bowie & Woss On Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:31:32 +0100, "Fergus Kelly" said: >Woss's attempts to "demystify" Bowie were fairly pathetic and > met > with a protective wall, or, rather, a Gimme Money gesture... I believe that's the main post-80's Bowie problem (apart from the bad music, that is) - Bowie couldn't demystify himself, even if he wanted to. Any attempt to do that would seem like another Bowie image, and in the context of the recent two decades a phoney one. giluz www.indymedia.org.il - -- http://fastmail.fm/ - The professional email service ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:05:38 -0400 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Disturbing Quote of the Week Everything Can did through 1975 is amazing and a must have. I also think that Tortoise's first two albums are their best. - Steve. G - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Walkingshaw" To: Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Disturbing Quote of the Week > Randomly reading reviews on the All-Music Guide (I was bored, and I'm not > tired enough to sleep yet, and there's a party going on in some other room > in this (shared, college-owned, student) house which means I wouldn't be > able to *get* to sleep even if I want to), I encountered: > > " 7 Day was more awkward than Land, entirely misrepresentative of the band. > (Imagine if Wire had attempted to turn into Level 42 after 154.)" > > This is *possibly* the most disturbing, or amusing, thing I've read today. > I can't see Wire doing funk-lite slap-bass-heavy workouts somehow... > > (Spotted in a biography of the Comsat Angels, incidentally. I was > trying to work out which records I'm aiming to buy next: there's so > much interesting music I haven't got round to yet... Can are very high > on the list (any recommendations there?), as is Tortoise's "Millions > Now Living will Never Die" (as I have, and really like, "TNT" and > "Standards.) > > Andrew > > -- > "Everybody eat your dust; everybody love your dust..." > - The Auteurs, "Light Aircraft on Fire" ('After Murder Park') > adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:23:54 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bowie & Woss > Did anyone catch the Bowie interview on Jonathan Woss ? I thought Woss was > rather sycophantic to say the least. ////you'll be telling us the pope's still a catholic next :-) Some rather stupid questions, but Bowie > held his own fairly well (good Bing Crosby impression), until it came out > that he "doesn't do nappies". "Yes, I've resolved not to.." Not impressed ! > What a fuckin' Rock Star... "What's that Iman?...No sorry, I'm tending my > Muse..." ////continuing the parenthood tip , i saw madonna recently boasting how she'd never done a nappy or fed any of hers. Rock Star's , huh. Woss's attempts to "demystify" Bowie were fairly pathetic and met > with a protective wall, or, rather, a Gimme Money gesture... //// i never saw it (i give bowie a very wide berth , i hate that cheeeky chappy thing he does when trying to promote himself on crappy chat shows even more than the records he's trying to promote) but i can guess how bad it was. one of the funniest bowie appearances in recent times was on TFI where , after some bland preamble ,chris evans more or less asked him straight out how much he used to enjoy having gay sex. at which the Dame gave his cheesiest fake grin and rather desperately asked him to change the subject. wonder what happened to chris evans anyway, is he still on the radio? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 19:50:19 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: FW: [idealcopy] First gig >> I believe it was 1978. Ian Dury at the Concertgebouw in the >> Hague > Absolutely true ... I saw him doing this here in Erlangen. > He was a fantastic performer. > When I was working as a DJ back in the late seventies I often > played some of his records "Hit me...", "Wake up and make love...", > "Reasons to be cheerful" ... really great dance music. He always made ME cheerfull! > If I had one "concert wish" free it would be the B52s after > their first album. Somehow I missed them when they were touring > Europe when the band members were still all alive. Never saw them either. Though not on top of my list I like 'em a lot. > As always my answer comes a little late. And here's me thinking punctuality being one of Germany's main virtues! ;-) > My first concert was Led Zeppelin in Nuernberg in 1973. > My first concert with some backstage talk after the show > was Roxy Music in Nurnberg ( pre-"For your Pleasure" time) > I've stolen a feather of Eno's jacket as a souvenir. Pret-ty cool! Don't think anyone can beat THAT! I hope you ware the feather on your hat always... http://www.deutscheshaus.cc/html/german_hats.html > My first concert with some jamming with he musicians before > the show was Nazareth in Erlangen. The guitarist (whose name > I can't remember ) gave me one of his guitars and we played > several songs together ... "This flight tonight" anyone ...??? > ... and now leaving the real world and starting to fantasize ... > My first concert with some after gig party at the hotel rooms. > Just me and the Bangles. Bangles? They must be like 75 years old by now, aren't they? ;-P Bart NP: N.E.R.D. - Brain [best beats around nowadays!] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:51:51 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] Sparrow Fartz the Purest Shite >>>While the rest of the review seemed refreshing enough, the comparison between Wire and Therapy/Motorhead just seems so WAY of! At least one member of Wire was pretty impressed by Lemmy in Hawkwind band during early 70s. Ace of Spades redone in computer cut up mode wouldn't sound so drastically removed from Comet. On the way down to ATP I put a tape of R&B01 on the stereo & my friend Dez's reaction to hearing Comet for the first time was that it sounded like Wire rewriting Ace of Spades! At least one member of Wire considers this one of the most flattering remarks to have been made about anything in the Wire oeuvre... For what it's worth Therapy? were influenced enough by Wire to cover Reuters (they didn't do it very well though - their cover of the Membranes Tatty Seaside Town works much better). It might be that better comparisons in a more contemporary vein would be Enon, Melt Banana, Mission of Burma, Liars, Trans Am, Shellac, Flux Information Sciences, Silo, etc, etc. However Motorhead & Therapy seem much more valid comparisons for Wire (now) than pissweak plagiarists like Strokes & Blur or even the science of tin cans full of turds. Strokes fans should check out GoGoGo Airheart to hear how it could've sounded if they'd lived up to the hype & Televison comparisons instead of just coming on like the Housemartins sheathed in dead cow. "It's not rocket science." Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine Keiji Haino: "What I want to get across to people is that we should never create positions of control. I don't mean that we should destroy them, but I want people to become really aware that they aren't free. I grew up on rock, but I want to take it to another world." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:35:31 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] A Bargain for RnB, Yeh? CD Wire A Bell Is A Cup CD on Mute 7.45 CD Wire Coatings CD on WMO 7.45 CD Wire Documents And Eyewitness CD on Mute 7.45 CD Wire Manscape CD on Mute inc poster 7.45 CD Wire Read & Burn CD on Pinkflag 5.95 CD Wire The Ideal Copy CD on Mute 7.45 Norman Records/ Jonathon Whiskey http://www.normanrecords.com Unit 1, Armley Park Court Stanningley Road Leeds, LS12 2AE United Kingdom Tel/Fax: UK 0113 231 1114 These guys deliver FAST Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine NP SSSD - Home (www.churchofgrob.com) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 20:24:18 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Disturbing Quote of the Week Andrew asked... >Can are very high on the list (any recommendations there?) 'tago mago' and 'ege bamyasi' are fine by me... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:32:25 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ot-insides anyone familiar with an album called euphoria by the band insides? - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:57:39 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Underwater Experiences - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Pietromonaco Paul - thanks for this, but I was referring to the Mike Thorne produced version of Underwater Experiences referred to by Bill, which he stated was poor in comparison to that which appeared on Behind the Curtain (a copy of which is currently 'resting' at my place, pending the return of my vinyl A-Z). This was in response to my query about the possible existence/availability of completed tracks from, say, 154, which never made it to the final selection. Incidentally, my personal favourite UE is the version from the Electric Ballroom from Document and Eyewitness. Ian B > > Is this available anywhere? > > Do you mean: Is "Behind The Curtain" available anywhere? > > Unfortunately, "Behind The Curtain" is out of print. > > >Are there others? > > Are you curious about the other demos on Behind The Curtain? IMHO, they're > interesting, but not as amazing as the Mike Thorne produced versions. > However, if you like your Wire very minimal, then this disc is for you! > (^_^) > > The demo for Underwater Experiences *is* amazing, though. > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:04:23 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Disturbing Quote of the Week > 'tago mago' and 'ege bamyasi' are fine by me... Also Monster Movie. Cannibalism 1 has many of the best bits of all thse three and Soundtracks. May be the best place to start... Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #227 *******************************