From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #226 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, July 8 2002 Volume 05 : Number 226 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Underwater Experiences ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] take it to the bridge..yeah! [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] snippets.... ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Underwater Experiences ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] Feersum Endjinn ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Disturbing Quote of the can [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Feersum Endjinn [giluz ] [idealcopy] wire interview [Alistair Tear Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Underwater Experiences - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hick > >>>Underwater Experiences with the full studio treatment / Mike Thorne > production. > > There is, but it is absolutely atrocious & wooden in comparison to the demo on > 'Behind the Curtain'!!! > Is this available anywhere? Are there others? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:18:11 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: [idealcopy) Gnomes of Zurich - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hick > Did anyone ever hear Gnomes of Zurich though? > Did Len Liggins of Lion Studios/Giraffe in Flames fame have anything to do with these? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:47:27 +0100 From: "Garry Phillipson" Subject: [idealcopy] Feersum Endjinn Andrew W asked, > Feersum Endjinn > Not read this one. I assume it's worth the effort? This is my favourite book by Banks. There's generally something a bit weird bubbling away just below the surface in his books - in this one it's completely out in the open and in-yer-face. I don't think I can describe the quality it has any more than that without sounding pseudy and putting you off the book altogether - except to say that as well as playing around with ideas of where reality begins and ends (something I'm always partial to), it's also extremely funny, something which you can't say about many SF novels. Banks churns books out so quickly - I guess he's probably tied to some deal where he has to deliver a book a year or whatever. But I often wish that he'd take more time revising and polishing his books - or at least writing a proper ending, something which (like you say) 'The Business' obviously lacks. Garry P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 11:35:08 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] take it to the bridge..yeah! Robert: > speaking of bridges again...i took a lady friend to the Chain of Rocks Bridge > (you know, the one that i blathered on about last week) here in St. Louis > ...i just found out that it is the longest pedestrian bridge in the > world....What a beautiful bridge this is.....brought back wonderful memories > ...The Mississpi River has finally receeded from flood levels after the > massive spring rains.... I'm fascinated with bridges myself. A few years ago the Erasmusbridge [designed by UN-Studio] in Rotterdam was completed and not only turned out to be THE new landmark of the city, but also one of the most beautiful contemporary bridges. No ruinromantics here I'm afraid! ;-) http://httpd.chello.nl/~b.michon/DSC00048.JPG On this picture http://www.rotterdammers.nl/luchtfotos/paul01a.htm on the right you see the amazing KPN-buiding [designed by Renzo Piano] wich has a unique communicating front: http://wdka.hro.nl/%7Ekpn Amazing, the whole front of the building like a website! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 10:47:14 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] mannequin man7ne7quin [mannikin ] (plural man7ne7quins) noun 1. CLOTHES dummy for displaying clothes: a usually life-size model of the human body used to display or fit clothes. Also called manikin 2. FASHION model: a model (dated) 3. ARTS See lay figure n.1 Mid-18th century. Via French from Dutch manneken (see manikin ) Or simply: little man! Bart[manneken] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 16:14:13 +0100 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] snippets.... >And this might piss a few people off, Guided by Voices apparently appear in >a new Strokes video (Someday)... > >Keith (i'm back after a weeks holiday...) doesn't piss me off, it's no surprise to me as GBV played a big part in The Strokes rise to fame, having them support them on quite a few gigs...they played two co-headlining shows over New Years Eve/Day at the Harlem Apollo this year, played two sets a night and together at some points...can't wait to see the video myself...!!! (and yeah, i think 'Is This It?' is actually a very good LP...) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:19:30 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Underwater Experiences > > >>>Underwater Experiences with the full studio treatment / Mike Thorne > > production. > > > > There is, but it is absolutely atrocious & wooden in comparison to the > demo on > > 'Behind the Curtain'!!! > > > Is this available anywhere? Do you mean: Is "Behind The Curtain" available anywhere? Unfortunately, "Behind The Curtain" is out of print. >Are there others? Are you curious about the other demos on Behind The Curtain? IMHO, they're interesting, but not as amazing as the Mike Thorne produced versions. However, if you like your Wire very minimal, then this disc is for you! (^_^) The demo for Underwater Experiences *is* amazing, though. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:27:43 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] Disturbing Quote of the Week Randomly reading reviews on the All-Music Guide (I was bored, and I'm not tired enough to sleep yet, and there's a party going on in some other room in this (shared, college-owned, student) house which means I wouldn't be able to *get* to sleep even if I want to), I encountered: " 7 Day was more awkward than Land, entirely misrepresentative of the band. (Imagine if Wire had attempted to turn into Level 42 after 154.)" This is *possibly* the most disturbing, or amusing, thing I've read today. I can't see Wire doing funk-lite slap-bass-heavy workouts somehow... (Spotted in a biography of the Comsat Angels, incidentally. I was trying to work out which records I'm aiming to buy next: there's so much interesting music I haven't got round to yet... Can are very high on the list (any recommendations there?), as is Tortoise's "Millions Now Living will Never Die" (as I have, and really like, "TNT" and "Standards.) Andrew - -- "Everybody eat your dust; everybody love your dust..." - The Auteurs, "Light Aircraft on Fire" ('After Murder Park') adw27@cam.ac.uk (academic) | http://www.lexical.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 01:49:22 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Disturbing Quote of the Week on 08/07/02 00:27, Andrew Walkingshaw at andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk wrote: > (Spotted in a biography of the Comsat Angels, incidentally. I was > trying to work out which records I'm aiming to buy next: there's so > much interesting music I haven't got round to yet... Can are very high > on the list (any recommendations there?), Anything made till 1975's Landed. The best, to my opinion, are Soundtracks (1970), Tago Mago (1971) & Ege Bamyasi (1972). I'd start with Tago Mago just because it includes my favourite Can track, Oh Yeah. Cannibalism 1 is a good enough collection, though I remember it put me off in the beginning, as the 1st introduction I had into early Can. The other double CD anthologies are Cannibalism 1 more or less plus a 2nd CD of their later work, which got worse with Holger Czukay being less and less dominant (and later not existing - he quit). Cheers giluz - -- INDYMEDIA ISRAEL http://www.indymedia.org.il/ Indymedia is a collective of independent media ogranizations and hundreds of journalists offering grassroots, non-corporate coverage of major protests. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:04:31 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Feersum Endjinn can't say i've read banks, but the comments below sound like they could come from a description of most of phil dick's '60s oeuvre ... anybody out there familiar with both authors (giluz?) who could make any sort of comparison? dan >Andrew W asked, > >> Feersum Endjinn >> Not read this one. I assume it's worth the effort? > >This is my favourite book by Banks. There's generally something a bit weird >bubbling away just below the surface in his books - in this one it's >completely out in the open and in-yer-face. I don't think I can describe the >quality it has any more than that without sounding pseudy and putting you off >the book altogether - except to say that as well as playing around with ideas >of where reality begins and ends (something I'm always partial to), it's also >extremely funny, something which you can't say about many SF novels. > >Banks churns books out so quickly - I guess he's probably tied to some deal >where he has to deliver a book a year or whatever. But I often wish that he'd >take more time revising and polishing his books - or at least writing a proper >ending, something which (like you say) 'The Business' obviously lacks. > >Garry P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:40:37 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Disturbing Quote of the can In a message dated 7/7/02 6:28:33 PM, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: >Can are very high >on the list (any recommendations there?) my vote: tago mago an additional 2 cents: or you could always start with one of the collections and decide which tracks you like best, then go for the albums they come from. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 07:49:33 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Feersum Endjinn on 08/07/02 02:04, dan bailey at dpbailey@worldnet.att.net wrote: > can't say i've read banks, but the comments below sound like they could come > from a description of most of phil dick's '60s oeuvre ... anybody out there > familiar with both authors (giluz?) who could make any sort of comparison? > > dan Sorry, haven't read Banks. giluz - -- INDYMEDIA ISRAEL http://www.indymedia.org.il/ Indymedia is a collective of independent media ogranizations and hundreds of journalists offering grassroots, non-corporate coverage of major protests. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:34:43 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] wire interview Forthcoming in the next U-Zine... 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