From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #224 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, July 6 2002 Volume 05 : Number 224 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Pennebaker's hard-on ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lydon [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Caged Wombles [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Another the selection... a reply. ["k erickson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Another the selection... a reply. [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lydon [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lydon ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lydon ["k erickson" ] Re: [idealcopy] bounce catch-up [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lydon ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: levene [idealcopy] Re: Lydon [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:21:32 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pennebaker's hard-on thanks Bart... BTW Bowie is on Jonathon Ross tonight, BBC1 10.35PM, singing and chatting. None of that awful bloody mime business though hopefully ; ) Keith > perhaps this might interest you keith... > Saw a nice film about documentarymaker D.A. Pennebaker the other day with > lots of great Bolan & Bowie [The Hammersmith Odeon concert of 3 July 1973 ] > glam material. > > > http://www.5years.com/zstmp.htm > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:24:36 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] There's allways intellectual and emotional bliss! > > And John Lydon started making decent records again (well a couple anyway...) > > Which ones are you referring to? > > giluz Album in particuarly. I loved that. But the next couple weren't bad either. They might be patchy, but there was the odd great track like Fat Chance Hotel. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:23:30 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pennebaker's hard-on > BTW Bowie is on Jonathon Ross tonight, BBC1 10.35PM, singing and chatting. > None of that awful bloody mime business though hopefully ; ) > > Keith Hey thnx! I'm going to watch that for sure! bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:30:10 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] John Cage and The Wombles Tim: Classical chart-toppers THE PLANETS have been accused of ripping off the avant-garde, experimentalist JOHN CAGE because their new album contains a silent 60-second track. //////////////////// Any idea where I can get an MP3 of this Tim? Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:43:00 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Lydon >From: "Keith Astbury" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] There's allways intellectual and >emotional bliss! > >> > And John Lydon started making decent records again >>(well a couple >anyway...) >> >> Which ones are you referring to? >> >> giluz > >Album in particuarly. I loved that. But the next couple >weren't bad either. The "again" implies that he hadn't been making good albums in a while . . . which implies that the original PIL albums (w/ Keith L.) weren't decent. (Notice how careful I'm being to explain my reasoning here.) ;) YOU DON'T LIKE PIL ??????????????????????????? !!!!!!!!!!!! umm ... just wondering. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:05:17 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lydon In a message dated 7/5/02 3:46:44 PM, mflaher3@triton.cc.il.us writes: > > >The "again" implies that he hadn't been making good albums > >in a while . . . which implies that the original PIL > >albums (w/ Keith L.) weren't decent. (Notice how careful > >I'm being to explain my reasoning here.) ;) well there's the possibility that "again" refers to after this is what you want/commercial suicide, neither of which i listened to all that much, although i am in the camp that prefers levene's record over lydon's. also, if someone doesn't like the original pil albums, they probably would state "started making good albums" rather than "started making good albums again"...unless of course the good albums being referred to belong to the sex pistols...but i think i'm going far enough off the track here that i'm in the parking lot, or at least the grandstand :o) - -paul (it's in my nature) c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:41:35 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Caged Wombles >> Classical chart-toppers THE PLANETS have been accused of ripping off the >> avant-garde, experimentalist JOHN CAGE because their new album contains a >> silent 60-second track. > Any idea where I can get an MP3 of this Tim? > Eric in Toronto Perhaps I might interest you in some truely great dotcom shares Eric. ];-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:49:07 -0400 From: "k erickson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Another the selection... a reply. >>Eric in Toronto: >>You are obviously not of Arabic extraction to get away unscathed like that. good point. strangely, my (few) post-nine-eleven border crossings have been much easier than most of my pre-crash encounters. cursory, even. i don't know how common that is, but it makes one wonder about the extent of the 'profiling' relied upon. >>Are you coming to the Lee's Palace show on the 15th of Sept? oh, i'd really like to. but the saturday show in Chicago is more likely, due to work considerations. if they were in Tronna any other day it would work out for me. the Metro show was great in '00, and will be again, but i'd choose Tronno if i could! any other listers going to the Toronto magog with Eric? - -kristoph - ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:50:51 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lydon In a message dated 05/07/02 21:05:56 GMT Daylight Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > well there's the possibility that "again" refers to after this is what you > want/commercial suicide, neither of which i listened to all that much, > although i am in the camp that prefers levene's record over lydon's. //////////////commercial zone maybe :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:10:54 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lydon > >The "again" implies that he hadn't been making good albums > > > >in a while . . . which implies that the original PIL > > > >albums (w/ Keith L.) weren't decent. (Notice how careful > > > >I'm being to explain my reasoning here.) ;) > > if someone doesn't like the original pil albums, they probably would > state "started making good albums" rather than "started making good albums > again"... Exactly right Paul. Michael couldn't be more wrong when he thought I didn't like PIL!!! I'd put him across my knee if he was here now ; ) I loved them Michael!!! Admittedly, I thought the first album was a bit hit and miss (though when it was good - Anilesia, Public Image - it was amazing), but I *LOVED* Metal Box! They were really moving things forward at that time... I'm in the camp that likes Flowers of Romance too. Banging The Door still sounds amazing to me. (BTW the single was my fave 45 of 1981 - the year of the Teardrop!). I didn't bother with Live in Tokyo or This Is What You Want, though. Although I liked the "inane-ness" (OK it's not a word, but it sure does the trick) of This Is Not A Love Song, I didn't fancy risking my cash on an album full of the stuff. Not after that appearance with the holiday camp band on the Tube! (Was Commercial Suicide was the Levene version that was finally released later on?) As for Keith Levene, although I've never bought anything in his own name his playing on Metal Box was something else. When people talk about their fave 'guitar' albums, they usually mean some fretwanking stuff from the heavy scene. Well mine would be records like Metal Box. In fact, together with Robert Quine, Tom Verlaine and M**c B***n, Levene - for his PIL work - is one of my fave guitarists. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:14:14 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Another the selection... a reply. In a message dated 7/5/02 9:44:16 AM Central Daylight Time, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: re: HERBERT "BODILY FUNCTIONS" CD << Yeah, I think the CD is great. I was expecting more Musique Concrete rather than Latin Soul however. You Saw It All is certainly worth the price of admission though. Good beats and an excellent groove created with the samples. There is a bit of humour in the music that I appreciate as well. >>>>> well...unfortunately...Matthew has been on the house music tip for quite a while now...If it's more of an experimental thang yer lookin' for check out most of releases as WISHMOUNTAIN...some of the DR. ROCKITT stuff is ok too... Robert n.p. Talking Heads "Remain in Light" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:17:00 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lydon In a message dated 05/07/02 22:03:55 GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > I didn't bother with Live in Tokyo or This Is What You Want, though. > Although I liked the "inane-ness" (OK it's not a word, but it sure does the > trick) of This Is Not A Love Song, I didn't fancy risking my cash on an > album full of the stuff. Not after that appearance with the holiday camp > band on the Tube! ////TIWYW is pretty crap , a couple of ok tracks (tie me to the length of that and the 2 singles at best) but not really worth having. the live in tokyo is just a really bland run through of the "hits"! (mint condition copy available for sale if anyone is really desperate for this turkey). > > (Was Commercial Suicide was the Levene version that was finally released > later on?) > /////commercial ZONE is the levine version , much better than TIWYW but then that's not saying much. this album is painted as some great lost classic , wouldn't really say it was THAT good. i've heard KL take all the credit for the clash , pil and the slits but not yet any mid-80's colin albums. but give him time..... > As for Keith Levene, although I've never bought anything in his own name his > playing on Metal Box was something else. /////well his solo album is appalling. but he's never really done much post-pil , all i can think of is the "beef" single by gary clail (also featuring wobble). he did a london gig with clail at that time and got roundly slagged for some unseemly axe heroics. which brings us full circle. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:57:24 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lydon Although I liked the "inane-ness" (OK it's not a word, but it sure does the trick) of This Is Not A Love Song, I didn't fancy risking my cash on an album full of the stuff. ////TIWYW is pretty crap , a couple of ok tracks (tie me to the length of that and the 2 singles at best) but not really worth having. the live in tokyo is just a really bland run through of the "hits"! (mint condition copy available for sale if anyone is really desperate for this turkey). Thanks Paul. It seems like I was right to keep my hands in my pocket! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:14:30 -0400 From: "k erickson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lydon > Thanks Paul. It seems like I was right to keep my hands in my pocket! >> >> Keith is that another Gary Clail reference? 'it relieves their conscience...there's something wrong with human nature'!! very sly Keith! kristoph - ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:22:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] bounce catch-up - --- Miles Goosens wrote: > Been out of town on vacation & business, so I'm > sitting down for the first > time with bounces since 6/25. They'll be appearing > momentarily. Most of > them include a taboo word such as "uns*bscribe," > "s*bscribe," etc. > > later, > > listowner Miles What was that all about .....boing boing boing........Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:58:00 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Lydon > > Thanks Paul. It seems like I was right to keep my hands in my pocket! > >> > >> Keith > > is that another Gary Clail reference? 'it relieves their conscience...there's > something wrong with human nature'!! very sly Keith! > > kristoph um, well...thanks. it wasn't! keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:35:11 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: levene [idealcopy] Re: Lydon In a message dated 7/5/02 4:51:19 PM, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: >commercial suicide, neither of which i listened to all that much, >> although i am in the camp that prefers levene's record over lydon's. > > >//////////////commercial zone maybe :-) p told ya i haven't listened to it much! hehe - -paul (i listen to 2nd issue most anyway, wink wink) c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #224 *******************************