From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #219 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 05 : Number 219 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] On topic for once [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] There's allways intellectual and emotional bliss! ["Keith] Re: [idealcopy] You didn't give a damn about the exploding man ["Keith As] Re: [idealcopy] There's allways intellectual and emotional bliss! ["Keith] Re: [idealcopy] There's allways intellectual and emotional bliss! [Eardru] Re: [idealcopy] There's allways intellectual and emotional bliss! [Bart v] Re: [idealcopy] Speaking of Sci-fi / Futuristic films.... [Bart van Damme] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:19:33 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On topic for once Wire will be recording a John Peel session the day before (or the day after) the ICA gig on 20/7/02, for broadcast a week or two later. Check the bbc web site for details. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:36:52 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] There's allways intellectual and emotional bliss! > Trivial fact - the big office block with the Rollerball rink is actually the > headquarters of BMW in Munich. > > Mark Is that right? The sort of circular building? I went to Munich in the 80's and saw that building. I really liked it and felt as if I knew it. Well now I know! Excellent. Mark you truly are a god of trivia!!! Keith PS Here's one for you then...which singer used to make toilets for aeroplanes??? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:46:01 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] You didn't give a damn about the exploding man > Another the Bastard > >>>(Don't think he mentioned The Bastards though. Monticello - Now there's an > album!) > > You didn't give a damn about the exploding man because you killed him - (an > there's a mini-album!) > > Janitor Joe - Big Metal Birds (there's another album now) > > Janitor Joe - Lucky (now another album there) Janitor Joe??? Who/what is the connection? 'Neighbor' was the last great record of the 80's for me. And has a song ever sounded less like it's title than 'The Joy of Gardening'! > If you like Bastards or Janitor Joe you may also find this Leeds band > entertaining > www.thejrband.com Will look them up... Keith NP Water Communication (Colin's Automation in fact...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:59:17 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] There's allways intellectual and emotional bliss! > Giluz lamented.. > > > I was born at the wrong time at the wrong place! > > Although I suppose there's always stuff to seek out if > you've got the mindset, even if the mainstream is crap. > > another the Keith I was checking the charts on the teletext before - yeah I still do - and I was thinking about how crap they are. I mentioned recently that I got a 1968 NME for a few quid off E-Bay, but one thing I didn't mention was the charts. The Top 30 singles included Mony Mony (no. 1), Fire, Mrs Robinson, I Close My Eyes and Count to Ten, This Guy's In Love with You, McArthur Park, Dance to the Music, Baby Come Back, Days (Kinks), Do It Again, Universal (Small Faces), High in the Sky, My Name Is Jack, Gotta See Jane, etc... OK so I'm sure they won't be everybody's cup of tea here, but there's some great 60's pop songs there IMO... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:10:42 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] There's allways intellectual and emotional bliss! In a message dated 7/2/02 7:21:56 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >Name a modern remake that improves the original.... always debatable, but if we include "equal but different" as an alternative to "improves" then how about: nosferatu sorcerer (wages of fear) the thing (easier to improve when the original is a b movie!) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:52:37 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] There's allways intellectual and emotional bliss! another the Keith [getting sentimentally old before it's really necessary]: > Of course I had to suffer Thatcher at a really bad time of my development > (although anyone growing up in Britain thereafter has suffered that unless > they're rich) and I'll be lucky to live another 30 years but it could have > been a lot worse. Although I suppose there's always stuff to seek out if > you've got the mindset, even if the mainstream is crap. Socially you right of course, but I know in the UK Thatcher was THE source of inspiration as the person we all love to hate. So many great anti-Thatcher lyrics at the time... [btw, what is she up to nowadays?] Read a book on russian composer Shostakovich and his having to deal with the likes of Stalin in a totally paranoid USSR. It really doesn't come any worse than this - lots of people send to goelags. Nonetheless [or perhaps even thanks to this] he grew out to be one of the greatest composers of the 20th century. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 10:07:40 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Speaking of Sci-fi / Futuristic films.... As a great ruin-romantic I loved your story Robert! Unfortunately in a small country like Holland all potential ruins are immediately got rid of, wich is a bloody shame. Bart here's a pic: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=www.national66.com/photos/033chainroc ks.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.national66.com/photos/033chainrocks.html&h=270&w =380&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522Rocks%2BBridge%2522%26start%3D20%26svnum%3D10%2 6hl%3Dnl%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN Robert: > Have any of you ever seen the film: "Escape From New York" (1981) ?? > It was filmed here in my hometown of St. Louis...i remember being around > 11 or 12 at the time and i thought it was great because i lived fairly close > to where most of the shooting was done.....There is a bridge here that has > been > closed down since i was little.. it connects the states of Missouri and > Illinois..a very surreal place because of the overgrowth of vines covering > both entrances and the strange silence while on the bridge..the only sound > you can hear it the wind...it's a lovely old thing but became obsolete after > newer bridges and highways were built..i was always fascinated that they > never destroyed it...anyway, as you can guess it became a haven for teenagers > (i.e. boozers and pot-heads) and the homeless..especially since it had these > manholes opened to reveal compartments that could fit two people > comfortably...they used these manholes in the best sequences in the > film.....tragically, a few years back two sisters and their cousin were > assaulted while walking on the bridge (looking at all the grafitti/poetry) > and thrown off the bridge after a struggle....the cousin survived (the > sisters were found many days later far downstream...the Mississipi River is a > monster as far as undertow and currents) and he was blamed for their deaths.. > the police thought his story was unbelieveable since it's unlikely that > anyone could survive such a fall from that height, and if they did..not many > would survive the Mississippi....but he was telling the truth...they caught > the 3 (or 4?) youths responsible...one of them was sentenced to death...by > coincidence i was watching a program about the death penalty the other night > and they featured his story....His lawyers had several appeals denied and > literally minutes before he was supposed to die by lethal injection he was > spared by the supreme court...something to do with being mildly > retarded....now, that IS science-fiction....they have turned the bridge into > part of a bike trail in honor of the sisters.....no matter how they cleaned > it up the Chain of Rocks Bridge is still a surreal place...i've recently > completed a piece of music dedicated to the rickety old structure... > > Robert ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #219 *******************************