From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #213 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, June 29 2002 Volume 05 : Number 213 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: John Entwistle [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] GENIUZEZ [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] o'leary sacked [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] glastonbury [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] glastonbury/Brunhilde [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] glastonbury ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] New wave legends and source ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] KREV X ["Bill Hick" ] [idealcopy] Re: Sonic Eps/ Noetinger ["Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GENIUZEZ Totally agree about Hoogerbrugge being a genius, Voyteck. Turned out he is a friend of a good artist-friend of mine... [whom I'll also shamelessly promote here: http://www.bezembinder.nl ] Perhaps you'll also like [or allready know] these url's as they too are based on research, wit and/or poetry: http://surface.yugop.com http://www.eboy.com http://www.nobodyhere.com http://aphextwin.nu http://www.quickhoney.com Cheers, Bart > Thanks Bart! Your suggested "bookmark" is multi-media genius! Some of > the clicks had me in vortexes which had to time out (or through), > however, I would have missed the full concept of those otherwise. > Excellentium! (another the element) > http://www.hoogerbrugge.com > Brilliant!!! > voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:46:16 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] o'leary sacked << So Leeds have gone and sacked David O'Leary. Bit of a strange one this. Particularly in it's close season timing... The reports must be right. It's obviously the Ferdinand factor - he must be on his way to MUFC after all.<< Underachievement and apparently undermining the PLC via various newspaper columns, dodgy books etc. Thought he did a pretty good job up till the end of 2001, but the wheels came off the wagon almost as soon as the court case ended. As for Rio, Ridsdale has denied he's going to ManU and claims there's a clause in his contract forbidding him to be sold to another premiership club. So he might go, but to Real or Barca, not ManUre. We don't need to sell him - we need to unload some squad players and raise #15m... >> To paraphrase Duran Duran... 'His name is Rio and he moves across the Pennines'.<< OK then, sell him to Man City ;-) >> Am I right in recalling that chairman Peter Ridsdale felt betrayed/disappointed when George Graham didn't honour his contract? Another bout of footballing hypocracy then?<< There's more to this than meets the eye, I suspect... >>Over to you Mark and Ian B...what's your feelings? >> Can we have Martin O'Neill please... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:55:25 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] glastonbury loads of coverage on the tv to look forward to. sadly i see sundays bill is headlined by rod stewart/roger waters/isaac hayes which is not exactly cutting edge stuff. anybody know who else is on? p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:20:31 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] glastonbury/Brunhilde > loads of coverage on the tv to look forward to. sadly i see sundays bill is > headlined by rod stewart/roger waters/isaac hayes which is not exactly cutting > edge stuff. anybody know who else is on? p another the 5 our long Wagner opera on dutch telly? ];-) brt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:42:21 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] GBV quizzZzzz OK, here's a little quiz for all [3 of?] you [wannabe] Guided by Voices fans: - -> Go to http://www.bartvandamme.com - -> ENTER ENTER [sound on?] - -> Click the cranky ol' geezer's nose [yeah yeah... so I'm a gum-addict!] - -> Click untill you hit the jackpot - -> Bronze Anorak for the first one who knows from wich GBV recording the following sound is... Enjoy! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:50:01 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] glastonbury > loads of coverage on the tv to look forward to. sadly i see sundays bill is headlined by rod stewart/roger waters/isaac hayes which is not exactly cutting edge stuff. anybody know who else is on? p No it's not cutting edge, but ISAAC HAYES!!! I'd *certainly* cross the road to see HIM! A patchy career admittedly, but he made some great stuff in the early years... Incidentally, that supposed great live act Rod Stewart & the Faces were one of the worst live acts I've ever seen. (Manchester 1974, Tetsu on bass!) Five pissed people on stage didn't really cut it for me. Keith np Roots Manuva - Run Come Save Me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:15:50 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] New wave legends and source Those new wave legends also appear on some cheesy new Jubilee FuckOff 2CD corporate punk remuneration retirement home fundraiser twice on the second disc. I am The Fly & Outdoor Miner are the punkasfuck trax & later on same disc even though they missed the jubbly by a month or 24+, Dead Kennedys Holiday in Cambodia (sorry yer maj, wrong continents) segues into Killing Joke's Wardance which probably tops the apocalyptic rockin' tree for a day or 3. Listening to the awesome noiseintro of I am the Fly after having to suffer the clowning Ian Dury Sex & Drugs & Rock'n'Roll can only increase it's apparent genius levels, but really who gives a fuck? At least they didn't put Elastica (as influenced by new wave leg ends booting it out at ICA) on the fuckin' thing eh? Also a new so called 'Best of the Stranglers' omits their most interesting single (Bear Cage) & includes the crap remix of Grip... but who gives a fuck? That's what you get for searching for the Richard Hell compilation. Guided By Voices sound good going everywhere with helicopters though, even if Enon's High Society sounds more relevant to the summernotime future rockpops provivalist program. Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine You'll work harder with a gun in your back For a bowl of rice a day ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:15:21 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] How Many Are? From: Stephen Graziano To: Bill Hick ; Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] How Many Are? > Bill, maybe that's because since you bought them secondhand, they were > already recorded as sales the first time through? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Hick" > > > > > > I bought 2 copies of 154 but both were 2nd hand, so they didn't register > the > > sales anywhere. > But the second sale isn't registered, and who is to say if these things haven't been sold 3,4,5,6 times??? Also most shops make no 'chart returns' in fact I probably haven't bought a record in one that does that scam for years, although in theory the sales ought to be registered? I suspect the 154 CD reissue was originally a promo or distribution type freebie anyway... Chairs Missing CD looks like it probably had more than one owner. Sales and the number of people who hear each record sold must vary drastically. Dire Straits always seemed like the kind of band that lots of people bought the album & just put it in the cupboard under the expensive rarely used stereo next to the TV, whereas Wire always seemed like the kind of band where lots of people who bought the record played it / leant it to lots of other people. Sorry this seems to be a bit of a pointless thread developing... I really don't care about all this crap. Think I'll spam yer anyhow! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:22:22 +0100 From: "Bill Hick" Subject: [idealcopy] KREV X In the post today a double CD which them as likes the solonoise o'Lewis (the first EG) & That Godfather Gilbert should not miss.... "KREV X" There was a party in Stockholm in May but you probably missed it. Ocsid, Mats Gustafsson, Pan Sonic and numerous other citizens of those States of the Art Elgaland and Vargaland made noises there and make more noises on this double CD to mark the tenth anniverary of the founding of the Krevian kingdoms and also marks the Pontifex Maximus' declaration that all religion must be abolished. A decade back the Elgaland - Vargaland annexation was announced. All borders between all countries and all oceanic areas outside of territorial waters were claimed by the twin kings. They also proclaimed jurisdiction over perceptive territories and effectively created an absurd reflection on the inhuman and outmoded role of the nation state, amongst other things. The Elgaland-Vargaland international hypercommunity appears to spring from free expression upholding the right to freedom of expression, so it's not surprising that so many experimental noisicians are citizens celebrating a decade of having more interesting things to do than London bond dealers. On first listen the tracks that really leap out are People Like Us humming silly, the regrettably brief Fennesz contribution and Edvard G 'The First of' Lewis reworking Ocsid's "Important Factors" into a lighter echochamber fanfare rhythm to celebrate the passing of the granny robot into ghost citizenship; "Queen Becomes Citizen After 101 Years of Babylonian Resistance." Some royalist arse licker announces the most high mighty excellent douager's noble order of the most grand noble dame order to the tootling beat toppling order. And And And And And. Bruce Gilbert's "Lullaby" is a summer cricket swamp on some East European boundary where it's too murky to lay mines. James O'Rourke recalls the time he first saw Phauss with low drone electrorumble of his unclear submarine uncle. Mortar come (hum hum hum hum). If Wire fans check out one compilation in the first hyperdub sixmonth of this year this would be the obvious essential choice. www.ashinternational.com www.it.kth.se/KREV Cracked Machine Highly Irregular Cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:03:02 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Sonic Eps/ Noetinger >From: "Bill Hick" > >Noetinger sounds like one to hear sometime soon! He mostly records w/ Marchetti. Their album w/ Werchowski (violin) is particularly good, but my favorite is a recording w/ Sophie Agnel (piano) called "Bouge Gris Bruit". "Mort aux Vaches" is also very good. >I have a CD on Selektion by L Marchetti & Ralf Wehowsky >which is quite >impressive in that they take mostly sine tones through >electroacoustic >mutations and both end up with different unique >soundscapes which are >intriguing and difficult, intense & rewarding. Sounds like his work w/ Noetinger ... I'll make a note of it. >I have heard only one Luc Ferrari CD ' Unheimlich Schon' >which is 15 minutes >of a woman repeating the German phrase for unnatural >beauty. The effect is >both disconcerting and erotic. I don't have this, but there's a good chance the woman is his (German) wife. When I saw him live she repeated various German phrases in this manner. >Do you have any other Luc Ferrari recommendations? "Presque Rien". It's a cd collection of some of his earliest recordings. Always captivates. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 07:22:46 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] R6 Music Newsletter For Isaac Hayes fans everywhere ; ) And Who fans might want to know about the Entwhistle tribute on Monday. > - GLASTONBURY - > Our brand new festivals section is now live on the 6 Music site, and it's rather gorgeous, even if we say so ourselves. Our team in Pilton have already sent back their first festival diary entry > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/festivals/glastonbury/diary.shtml > Keep coming back to the site throughout the weekend for backstage gossip and photos and on-the-spot reviews. > We'll be live at the festival on Sunday (30 June) with live shows from Liz Kershaw, Clare McDonnell and Chris Hawkins and a special edition of Dream Ticket featuring classic performances recorded at previous Glastonbury Festivals. You can already hear a few highlights from classic sets by Radiohead and the Foo Fighters amongst others on our Glastonbury Ticket page > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/festivals/glastonbury/ticket.shtml > There's a fantastic line-up of bands performing while we'll be on air from the festival, including Ash, Starsailor, Spiritualised, Doves, Coldplay, Roger Waters, Isaac Hayes, Ian Brown, Garbage & White Stripes. We're planning on bringing you highlights from many of those sets on Sunday, and to whet your appetite we have a UNIQUE Festival Survival Guide - Believe me, this is a different festival view to anything else you've read > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/festivals/survival/ > We've also launched a swanky new festivals message board. Drop by and tell us which sets you're most looking forward to, what are your all-time favourite Glasto performance and your weirdest festival memory? > http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi?x=y&board=6music.festivals&state=vie w&sort=U > > - JOHN ENTWISTLE 1944 - 2002 - > Everyone at 6 Music was very sad to learn of the death of "The Ox". The Who's John Entwistle was one of rock's most respected and loved bass players. Read our obituary on our music news pages > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/music_news/who.shtml > and listen out for a special tribute on Tom Robinson's programme on Monday night > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/presenters/tom_robinson/ > > - OTHER FESTIVALS - > We promised you that this week we'd be able to reveal details of our presence at two other major festivals so here goes; Next weekend (July 6-7) 6 Music brings you exclusive coverage of the Leicester Summer Sundae event. Headline acts include Cornershop, David Byrne, Beth Orton and Stereo MCs and we'll be there all weekend, with a bunch of special shows, live music highlights from both stages and interviews with the performers > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/festivals/summersundae/ > Then in mid-July we're heading off to the Fairyhouse racecourse just outside Dublin for this year's Witnness Festival. The top-notch line-up includes The Prodigy, Foo Fighters, Green Day, The Hives, The Chemical Brothers and Ian Brown. Watch this space for more details > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/festivals/witnness/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #213 *******************************